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Title: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Saturday 27 February 10 10:05 GMT (UK)
If anyone requires any help with look up of family history or the towns history of Thomastown please do'nt be afraid to ask and i will be happy to help.Also please feel free to add photos of the town.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: grove27 on Sunday 28 March 10 00:07 GMT (UK)
Hello

Thank you for your offer (Im in Australia and accessing Kilkenny records can be difficult)

Im looking for the death/burial of Denis Foley who was christened 1 Oct 1788 in Thomastown (married Ellen Mangin in Thomastown 11 May 1817). I have christening details on their 11 children but their extended families would also be appreciated.

Regards

Peter
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: ockie37 on Sunday 04 April 10 16:43 BST (UK)
I have an aunt and some cousins living in Thomastown, Co Kilkenny, and its still hard to find any information. The PP, doesn't seem to be very helpful
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: grove27 on Monday 05 April 10 09:05 BST (UK)
I was there in 2005 and the PP was most helpful at that time. The person offerring the assistance hasnt been in contact since I posted the reply, so you may be right.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: AISLINN on Saturday 10 April 10 19:19 BST (UK)
Un helpfull P.P's  are   very common.    I have written on several occasions to different  parishes, mostly the  emails have been  completely ignored...
But  there have been a few PP's who have been most helpfull with supplying information.  It is most unfortunate.  I do think that all these records should be freely available to any genuine person who is trying  to trace their ancestory!
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: violet on Wednesday 02 June 10 19:12 BST (UK)
Hi

This is a little of the mark but I am trying to find Cassins, Kilkenny.  now I think I might be on the right track and have found BDM with a registration district of Thomastown.  One is a Margaret Cassin died Oct to Dec Qrt of 1908 born c1838.  The other Mary M cassin died Jan to Mar qrt 1940.  I think Mary M lived in Hugginstown and Margaret in Aughaviller.  Would these be in the Thomastown registration district.  They were RC.

Any help greatfully received.

Violet
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Ceallachain on Monday 07 June 10 20:42 BST (UK)
There is some help that you could give me for which I would be very grateful.  My grandfather was an RIC man stationed in the town sometime between 1916 and 1921.  He and my grandmother had twins who died either during or shortly after birth.  My mum is now very ill and has never fulfilled her desire to go to Thomastown to look at the cemetary to see where they were buried.  I don't know if there is a gravestone or anything there.  My grandfather's name was Patrick Quirke and his wife was Nora Quirke, nee Murphy, from Newmarket.  He originally hailed from Co Clare

If you know of any grave records for that period or who I might contact, it would be wonderful,

Yours,

Ceallachain
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jack2227 on Tuesday 08 June 10 19:45 BST (UK)
www.Interment.net has Thomastown cemetery records, Murphy included, but no Quirke.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Ceallachain on Tuesday 08 June 10 20:09 BST (UK)
Thank you, Seanmac.  I wonder if because they were so young (dying either during or just after birth) their burial might not have been recorded?
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jack2227 on Thursday 10 June 10 15:28 BST (UK)
Most deaths would perhaps be recorded by some one, and that, again is likely the Parish records, and as the recorder of the cemetery states it's the 'old cemetery', then perhaps either the headstone cannot be read, or there is no headstone.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: aussiegrrl on Sunday 29 August 10 10:36 BST (UK)
Hi I'm new to this forum, but since you asked, I would love some help!

I'm looking for my great great grandfather, Michael MURPHY, who was convicted of housebreaking (probably - one record suggests sheep-killing) at Thomastown on 27 June 1849 and later transported to Tasmania. His records only say that he was from Kilkenny Co, but if he was convicted at Thomastown (rather than in Kilkenny city), might we assume he was a local lad? Convict records suggest he was 30 at the time of conviction, so dob c. 1819. The only other info I have is that he had a sister Ellen and was married with 2 or 3 children (wife Margaret). He was transported in 1852 and I think that his wife may have emigrated to 'America' by that time (based on info in his convict records).

I would love to track down his family, as poor Michael was a tragic figure - he married again in Tasmania, but suffered from depression and made multiple suicide attempts before he successfully took his own life on St Patrick's day 1890 (taking rat poison).

Cheers, Karen
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Sunday 14 November 10 11:48 GMT (UK)
Hi I'm new to this forum, but since you asked, I would love some help!

I'm looking for my great great grandfather, Michael MURPHY, who was convicted of housebreaking (probably - one record suggests sheep-killing) at Thomastown on 27 June 1849 and later transported to Tasmania. His records only say that he was from Kilkenny Co, but if he was convicted at Thomastown (rather than in Kilkenny city), might we assume he was a local lad? Convict records suggest he was 30 at the time of conviction, so dob c. 1819. The only other info I have is that he had a sister Ellen and was married with 2 or 3 children (wife Margaret). He was transported in 1852 and I think that his wife may have emigrated to 'America' by that time (based on info in his convict records).

I would love to track down his family, as poor Michael was a tragic figure - he married again in Tasmania, but suffered from depression and made multiple suicide attempts before he successfully took his own life on St Patrick's day 1890 (taking rat poison).

Cheers, Karen

Hi Karen

Have you tried  contacting   Roathe House in kilkenny  the local genealogy center  there very  helpfully  they    have a  great website  hhtp://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com

They also contain old  newspapers from the 18th century.

Biggles5000

Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Sunday 14 November 10 12:06 GMT (UK)
I was there in 2005 and the PP was most helpful at that time. The person offerring the assistance hasnt been in contact since I posted the reply, so you may be right.

Back now after taking  a break  so if you would like some help please let me know.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Sunday 14 November 10 12:07 GMT (UK)
Hi

This is a little of the mark but I am trying to find Cassins, Kilkenny.  now I think I might be on the right track and have found BDM with a registration district of Thomastown.  One is a Margaret Cassin died Oct to Dec Qrt of 1908 born c1838.  The other Mary M cassin died Jan to Mar qrt 1940.  I think Mary M lived in Hugginstown and Margaret in Aughaviller.  Would these be in the Thomastown registration district.  They were RC.

Any help greatfully received.

Violet


Hi i know the cassin family well there still living in thomastown to this day.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: violet on Sunday 14 November 10 12:30 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am trying to find any information on Patrick Joseph Cashin(Cassin) born 1880 father James.  Patrick left Ireland to go to Wales and became a miner.  unfortunately he told nothing of his family in Ireland.  From the 1901 census we gleaned he came from Kilkenny. is it the county or the town we don't know.  The only other piece of infomation is a bible with the name Mary Cassin.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thank you
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Sunday 14 November 10 14:06 GMT (UK)
KIlkenny is the county  now there is  cassins  still around Thomastown  also the cassin name is very popular in a small  village  called Inistioge which is  five miles outside thomastown  at that time was Inistige was mainly  church of Ireland.Try  and have a look at there parish records aswell you mite have a bit of  luck.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: violet on Sunday 14 November 10 18:23 GMT (UK)
Hi

Sorry forgot to say the are Roman Catrholics
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: gnasher22 on Friday 31 December 10 20:55 GMT (UK)
Hello Biggles, i have been tracing the jackman family, my father came from Bennettsbridge and so did a couple of generations before him but i am sure there must be a link between them and the Thomastown Jackmans, they all have the same christian names and some seem to be witnesses at christenings etc. they seem connected mostly around 1800-1900 and they all seem to live along the road between the two places, your thoughts please as the local expert.
thanks.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Saturday 01 January 11 10:01 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am descended from two families who come from Thomastown Kilkenny.  They arrived in Australia in 1855, some on the Gloriana, some on the Ramillies.  Michael and Mary Hudson arrived with children Mary, John, Catherine and Thomas.  Michael's brother James arrived with wife Mary (nee Foley).  Mary's parents Edward and Catherine arrived with children James, Hannah and Bridget.  James and Mary apparently married at Sugarstown in 1855 before embarking.  I have other fragments of information and have had useful help from correspondents but have yet to really get down to sorting it out.  Any hints would be appreciated (particularly the economic climate of the area at that time and the possible reasons for the migration).  Thanks.  Jennifer
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Wednesday 12 January 11 20:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Jaznjj

Many Irish familys  left Ireland around 1855 due to poverty other were deported to British Colonys  around the world for example for crime which was the punishment back then  there a place called Rothe House in Co Kilkenny that would be able to help you out also they have a website called  http://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com this website is  great and hold load of records for Kilkenny at small charge.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Wednesday 12 January 11 20:34 GMT (UK)
Hello Biggles, i have been tracing the jackman family, my father came from Bennettsbridge and so did a couple of generations before him but i am sure there must be a link between them and the Thomastown Jackmans, they all have the same christian names and some seem to be witnesses at christenings etc. they seem connected mostly around 1800-1900 and they all seem to live along the road between the two places, your thoughts please as the local expert.
thanks.


it is pssible that the two familys are connected i had the same findings with my own family where cousin would of stood for family members as god parent.Thomaston and Benntetsbridge isnt that far apart only five miles out the road so yes they all could of been related in some way
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: gnasher22 on Thursday 13 January 11 19:43 GMT (UK)
Thank you Biggles, i have been going over to Kilkenny once a year for the past three years and met up with relations i had never met before it was great, i also traced my grandfather Walter Jackman [ of Bennettsbridge ] and my great grandfather on my Nans side John Donnelly of Thomastown, they both worked as labourers at Kilmurry house and when my grandad married John Donnellys daughter Bridget they lived in one of the gatehouses outside of Kilmurry house, i was invited into the house by the current resident and could not believe how small it was inside, it was two rooms, one 8 foot square the other about 7 foot square, that was where my father was born together with four other brothers and a sister, eventually they moved back to Bennettsbridge and had a house next to the Nore which was owned by the Mosse family [ the millers ] thank you again.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Friday 14 January 11 00:42 GMT (UK)
Thank you Biggles, I will follow your suggestion.  It is useful to know the economic situation in a place to try and figure out why families immigrated.  One very interesting thing I noticed in the shipping records for the particular families is that while the parents, generally speaking, could neither read nor write, their children could which suggests that at the time education was valued and that the people were looking to the future. Either that or there was a real tough school ma'am in town!  Jaz
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Cosbygp on Wednesday 09 March 11 20:26 GMT (UK)
Hello Biggles

I would be very grateful for a Thomastow marriage lookup.

I'm looking for the marriage of a Mary Jacobs to a an English soldier name James Etheridge (spelt various ways: Etteridge, Etterige, etc.) This should have happened in the mid 1830s.

Not sure if it's possible or not but a look up or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: vhowie on Tuesday 15 March 11 03:38 GMT (UK)
I have just posted a msg  and I notice you have offered to look up information for Thomastown,Kilkenny.
My great grandmother Johanna Frances Maher/Mahar was born in Thomastown abt 1844. I have been unable to trace her birth.
Her parents were Patrick and Catherine Despburn this is what is stated on her death certificate however I think it may be Catherine Spruhen as Johannas' grandfather was Michale Spruhen/Spruhan who lived at Jerpointabbey,Thomastown,Kilkenny. I have found a record for him on Griffiths Valuation as residing there in 1853.
Michael was deceased by 1892. Any information would be helpful.

Moderator Note - see related link : Johanna Frances Maher born Thomastown (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,520634.msg3758407.html#msg3758407)

Title: Foley, Hudson, Whelan, Walsh
Post by: Jaznjjj on Tuesday 24 May 11 14:16 BST (UK)
Hello, this is a follow-up to previous posts regarding the families in my header. I am seeking help locating information about the following events:
.  birth in approximately 1813 of Catherine, daughter of James and Catherine Walsh
.  marriage of Catherine Walsh to Edward Foley estimated 1833
.  death of James and Catherine Walsh - say 1855-1880
The families lived in Thomastown, Kilkenny and were Roman Catholics.  Catherine (nee Walsh) and Edward Foley left Ireland for Australia in 1855 with at least some of their children - leaving the parents behind. 
Any assistance gratefully received.
Jennifer

Title: Re: Foley, Hudson, Whelan, Walsh
Post by: shanew147 on Tuesday 24 May 11 14:57 BST (UK)
....
 am seeking help locating information about the following events:
.  birth in approximately 1813 of Catherine, daughter of James and Catherine Walsh
.  marriage of Catherine Walsh to Edward Foley estimated 1833
.  death of James and Catherine Walsh - say 1855-1880
The families lived in Thomastown, Kilkenny and were Roman Catholics.  Catherine (nee Walsh) and Edward Foley left Ireland for Australia in 1855 with at least some of their children - leaving the parents behind. 
......

Walsh is a common surname in the area so it could be difficult to find the correct records for your Walsh family. I would start with the marriage since you have two known names - which makes it easier to match up, or discard any records you find. Earlier records tend to be quite limited in details, so you could possibly find a marriage for Catherine and Edward with just the date, their names plus the names of witnesses. If you are lucky the record could give residences to the groom and bride in which case it might narrow down the area to check for their baptisms.

RC Baptism and Marriage records for the parish of Thomastown go back to about 1782, and details of these are available on microfilm Pos. 5024 in the National Library in Dublin. Records also seem to be available through LDS Family history libraries - see details here (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Kilkenny&parish=Thomastown&churchid=1032)  (Irish Times)

Transcript records for the parish are also available on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.rootsireland.ie

Like many RC registers, these do not include death/burials. If James and/or Catherine died after the start of full civil records started (1864) then there should be a civil record, which would mean a death cert, although since Walsh is a common name in the area it could be difficult to find them.

see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)


Shane
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Wednesday 25 May 11 00:10 BST (UK)
Thank you Shane, first stop LDS and then other sites as necessary.  I had discovered from the census 1901/11 how prolific the Walsh name is in Thomastown.  I am interested in the social and economic pressures which might have led to this family (Edward and Catherine, their children, son-in-law James Foley and James' brother Michael and wife) leaving Ireland. James Hudson committed suicide in a fit of insanity by slashing his throat in 1864, father-in-law Edward Foley was killed (justifiable homicide) while he was insane in 1870.  Not sure that the events in Australia can be associated with their reasons for leaving Ireland but contribute those facts as part of the family context. 

Regards,
Jennifer
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Tinamac on Friday 12 August 11 01:11 BST (UK)
Hi, Gnasher22. This is my first time to use this site and I was surprised to see your post. I think that your grandfather Walter is my great grandfather. I have never heard about his time at Kilmurry house - I gather this is where Walter and Bridget met! Did Walter have one or two sisters?


Thank you Biggles, i have been going over to Kilkenny once a year for the past three years and met up with relations i had never met before it was great, i also traced my grandfather Walter Jackman [ of Bennettsbridge ] and my great grandfather on my Nans side John Donnelly of Thomastown, they both worked as labourers at Kilmurry house and when my grandad married John Donnellys daughter Bridget they lived in one of the gatehouses outside of Kilmurry house, i was invited into the house by the current resident and could not believe how small it was inside, it was two rooms, one 8 foot square the other about 7 foot square, that was where my father was born together with four other brothers and a sister, eventually they moved back to Bennettsbridge and had a house next to the Nore which was owned by the Mosse family [ the millers ] thank you again.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: gnasher22 on Friday 12 August 11 19:52 BST (UK)
Hello Tinamac, Well what a lovely surprise, i guess we must be cousins? i would love to hear more about you and your [ our? ] family, where do you live? any way to answer your question i believe walter had at least two and possibly four sisters although i am not 100% on that at the moment, i have started to put a family tree together and have found quite a few names but i need to double check them and get them in some sort of order, i would be glad to share this with you if you are interested, we need to swap email addresses and phone no's but i think you will need to make three posts to this site before you can do this, his sisters are Anastatia, Mary and possibly Margret and eileen, hope this helps, look forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jack2227 on Saturday 13 August 11 12:04 BST (UK)
Cassin headstones in Thomastown cemetery;

Mary Cassin; Coolroemore
27/4/1948 (68)
son-Patrick;
26/3/1979
Mary Cassin;
7/7/1983 (66)
her hus-James;
25/5/2002 (86)
-----
(all one plot)
Honoria Cassin; Coolroemore
12/7/1964 (87)
niece-Bridget Walsh;
6/7/1972 (77)

Kathleen Walsh; (nee Arhtur) Cloughhabrody
27/4/1996 (67)
hus-Jim;
4/10/2007 (78)

William Walsh; Kilfane Glebe
7/12/1969 (71)
wife-Anne;
9/12/1975 (77)
dtr-Margaret Carroll;
9/10/1978 (47)
------------------
Bridget Cassin; Boher
7/1/1979
Hus-James;
14/6/1984
=================================
Jack
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Tinamac on Saturday 13 August 11 14:40 BST (UK)
 :D Hi, Gnasher22. Good to hear back from you! I am just starting to try to put a family tree together so it would be good to be able to share info. Do you know what your grandfather Walter's dad was called? I was in Bennettsbridge last week - it's a lovely spot. Look forward to hearing from you!
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jack2227 on Saturday 13 August 11 15:36 BST (UK)
This headstone is in Thomastown cemetery.
Jack
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: violet on Saturday 13 August 11 22:02 BST (UK)
Hi Jack

I was interested in the headstones.  I saw that there were Cassins related to the Walsh's.

I have been trying to find a birth for Patrick Joseph Cassin/Cashin born Kilkenny, not sure if its county or town info gleaned off the census. Fathers name was James according to marriage cert   Patrick was born  c1880.  He married a Margaret Walsh born C1880 in Aberdare Wales.  Her parents James and Margaret Walsh born c 1840 are said to be from Ireland, big place.  James and Margaret had a boarding house in Wales and Patrick was a lodger and married the landlords daughter.  Patrick was a miner.  If anything rings a bell would be obliged.

Regards
Pat
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: gnasher22 on Sunday 14 August 11 11:14 BST (UK)
Hello Tinamac, I have left my email in a personal message for you please let me know if you received it then i can forward some family tree details.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: shanew147 on Sunday 14 August 11 11:16 BST (UK)
New member need three posts before they have full access to the PM system - so Tinamac may need one more first...

see: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php


Leinster Moderator
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: searchr on Wednesday 21 March 12 04:46 GMT (UK)
Hi, I am descended from two families who come from Thomastown Kilkenny.  They arrived in Australia in 1855, some on the Gloriana, some on the Ramillies.  Michael and Mary Hudson arrived with children Mary, John, Catherine and Thomas.  Michael's brother James arrived with wife Mary (nee Foley).  Mary's parents Edward and Catherine arrived with children James, Hannah and Bridget.  James and Mary apparently married at Sugarstown in 1855 before embarking.  I have other fragments of information and have had useful help from correspondents but have yet to really get down to sorting it out.  Any hints would be appreciated (particularly the economic climate of the area at that time and the possible reasons for the migration).  Thanks.  Jennifer
Hi Jennifer,
I know it's a long time since you posted this, but I hope you're still interested.
I would love some more information on the voyage of the Ramillies to Moreton Bay in 1855.
NSW records have the passenger list online. Your James and Margaret are there, along with my 4 Tedfords.
What I'd love to know is the ports it called at. It seems to have left from the Thames, according to many sites e.g. trove and British newspapers. 1 and only one site has it leaving Liverpool and calling at Cork on the way. This is immigration bridge, or immigration place: the story of Robert Brown.
Do you, or does anyone else, have any information about this?
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Wednesday 21 March 12 08:27 GMT (UK)
Hi there, it will take me a little while to dig through my files but if I can't get to them later tonight will get back to you in the next couple of days.  My recollection is that there was an error in the published newspaper shipping information which throws one off the trail.   I remain very interested in this story and it would be interesting to see whether the Hudson and Tedfords have any common history before or after the voyage. More later; I don't come up for air until the weekend.  Jennifer
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Wednesday 21 March 12 10:55 GMT (UK)
Me again, These are the notes from the search I did on Trove nla digitized newspapers. You might care to read the original notices and articles now that you have the dates.  I am pretty sure I have other information as well but hopefully this is a start.  It does seem to confirm the ship started off from London - it does seem reasonable to think our lot got on at Cork but I haven't located any documentation (haven't really tried as yet).  The error in publication appears to refer to other ships, not the Ramillies.  Please contact me again if you don't hear from me within the next week or so. Jennifer

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 1/9/1855
From Hardy’s Shipping List June 1
Vessels advertised for Sydney
Ramillies (emi.)

MAITLAND MERCURY  5/9/1855
From Hardy’s Shipping List June 1
Vessels advertised for Sydney
Ramillies (emigrant ship) 740 tons, Captain C. Hudder to sail July 11. 

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 1.10.1855
Vessels loading July 1
For Moreton Bay. – Ramillies (at London)

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 9.10.1855
Vessels expected in Sydney 
Those marked “ are bound for Melbourne and Sydney
FROM LONDON
Ramillies (emi) 740 tons, Hodder, July 11
Note the Ramillies was NOT asterisked in this list. 

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 12.11.1855 page 1
(from Moreton Bay correspondent)
The Ramillies, with Government emigrants for this port, sailed on the 28th July and may now, therefore, be daily looked for.  The other immigrant vessels advertised for Moreton Bay I can perceive no notice of lately;  so that, in all probability, there was some mistake in advertising them for this part of the colony.  This is a blunder which I have observed has often occurred………..and more.

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 3.12.1855
Moreton Bay arrivals
The Ramillies, with Government immigrants, anchored at the river bar on Thursday evening. 

EMPIRE SYDNEY 10/12/1855
….. and the Ramillies, only recently arrived with immigrants, was steering the same course when the pilot board in time to save her.”   (Assume Moreton Bay – part of a longer article regarding navigation of the channel). 

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 17/12/1855
“……The charges brought against the commander and surgeon-superintendent of the Ramillies are said to have been of a twofold nature.  In the first place it was alleged that inferior provisions were supplied on the voyage, and in the second place that irregularities have occurred with regard to the unmarried females.”
and more

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD 24/12/1855
The Fortune, Forrie? And Ramillies were laying at the bar, the latter vessel would sail for Sydney on the 21st instant.   (I assume at Moreton Bay). 
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: searchr on Wednesday 21 March 12 19:40 GMT (UK)
Thanks Jennifer. I'll post what I have too soon. It probably should become a new thread called Ramillies, maybe in the Australian section. It probably won't be until Saturday. I'm glad you're still interested. My Tedfords were married in Tartaraghan, Armagh, 11 Apr 1850 from family search and a few other places. This is where the Robert Brown of the immigration bridge story came from too. Margaret was née Magee/ McGee.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: searchr on Saturday 24 March 12 23:56 GMT (UK)
Sorry. Saturday was a bit ambitious for that thread about the Ramillies in the Australian section. It's taking a while to get things properly together for it. Aside from ports departed from and called in at, there is a difficulty at this end too. One main interesting arrival thing is the 19th November 1855 arrival given in the NSW records digital copy of the passenger record, with no place of arrival. This is the same date as the Ships List gives for its arrival in NSW. 3rd December seem the earliest trove date for Moreton Bay. Could it have gone to NSW, then Moreton Bay, then back to NSW? An alternative idea is that perhaps it was simply that Qld didn't yet exist, so Moreton bay was part of NSW.
I will put up the post some time in the future  :)
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Sunday 25 March 12 08:57 BST (UK)
Thank you Searchr.  I have complicated things by having another thread under Ramillies (ship) AND I posted it twice in error (thought it hadn't gone through the first time) - it has much the same information as in this thread. In the other thread some alternate dates have been posted. I think it unlikely the Ramillies would have gone to Sydney, then Moreton Bay, then Sydney again based purely on the fact that James and Mary were headed for Sydney to meet their relatives who had arrived on the Gloriana.  There was also a date offered in the posts that the Ramillies sailed from Cork in April - which suggests that perhaps they boarded at Cork in April, sailed to London and waited around for three months before sailing to Australia. Maybe the newspapers got it wrong.  Another correspondent has said that many Irish did travel in order to leave from London - so that also could have occurred.  Something is still not working with the dates.  I think your suggestion that Moreton Bay was regarded as NSW is a valid one.  I need to investigate the Gloriana to see what the Hudson and Foley relatives are likely to have done.    Jennifer
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: biggles5000 on Tuesday 27 March 12 00:31 BST (UK)
Sorry folks was on a break for a while if anyone has any question please be free to ask i be happy to help.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: searchr on Wednesday 28 March 12 08:53 BST (UK)
I've posted about this in your thread Ramillies (ship) in Cork, Jennifer: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,588769.0.html
I hope it's useful.
I still haven't finished sorting out all my information, but am pretty close, I think.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: debbymcc on Wednesday 11 April 12 21:29 BST (UK)
My husband's father Patrick McCarthy and brothers Daniel, James and Michael were all born between 1903 -1913 in Thomastown, KIlkenny, although Daniel may have originally had a different surname as rumour has it he was from the first marriage. They attended Thomastown Infants and their father(s) was a railwayman. No records can be found there though and I wonder if there births were regsitered as the nly records I can find don't match the birthdates from Mondelogo School, Waterford where they attended from 1917 and their parents were lodgekeepers at Boherwallin railway crossing. Patrick and James came to England in the 1930s, but Michael and Daniel lived out theit lives until the late 70s in Cappagh, Cappoquin, Waterford, dying in the early 1970s. I can find very little about their lives but the major object is to find the names of Patrick's parents. He was born in Thomastown in December 1913.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: jlibby on Wednesday 25 April 12 02:26 BST (UK)
Hi; This is my first message on this website.
Very interested in the Cassin from Thomastown also.

Margaret (Maggie) Cassin baptismal record 12/18/1862 Shortalstown, Dunnamaggin, Kilkenny
  parents: Richard Cassin and Catherine Barry married 2/13/1862 Shortalstown, Dunnammaggin

Maggie and brother John Cassin (b: 22 April 1864) Kilmaganny, Kilkenny immigrated to the US in 1882/1883- family story is that Maggie father Richard was the head serf at Castle Kilkenny and that Butler family paid for her passage.

children of Richard and Catherine Barry;
Margaret b: 1862/1863 (death record 12/24/1862 in US)
John b: 1864 (US)
Elizabeth Cassin b Mar 26 1866 Kilmoganny, Kilkenny
Patrick Cassin b Mar 8 1868  Kilmoganny, Kilkenny
Michael cassin b Sept 16, 1872 Kilmoganny, Kilkenny
Edward cassin b Sept 30, 1874 Knocktopher, Thomastown, Kilkenny

1. death or cemetery record for reminding family
2. how could I find out the head serf at castle Kilkenny?

Thank you :)
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Wednesday 30 January 13 07:28 GMT (UK)
Hello, I tried a Google search to try to locate the dwelling of an ancestor in Thomastown.  I wanted to do a Google street search and see what was there.  The Google search showed the general location but was not able to zero in on numbers.  My ancestor was Michael Hudson who in 1850 was at 40
Chapel Lane, Thomastown and had a garden at 24 Maudlin Street, Thomastown.  Is anyone able to help me with landmarks that I might use with Google streetsearch please?  I am trying to get an understanding of the locality.  Michael and his family came to Australia in 1855.  I have had help from people on this site previously, particularly regarding the voyage of members of the Hudson and Foley families on the Gloriana and the Ramillies.  Jennifer
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 30 January 13 08:13 GMT (UK)
Hello, I tried a Google search to try to locate the dwelling of an ancestor in Thomastown.  I wanted to do a Google street search and see what was there.  The Google search showed the general location but was not able to zero in on numbers.  My ancestor was Michael Hudson who in 1850 was at 40
Chapel Lane, Thomastown and had a garden at 24 Maudlin Street, Thomastown.  Is anyone able to help me with landmarks that I might use with Google streetsearch please? 
....

the numbers on Griffith's are site numbers rather then modern street numbers. Sometimes in urban areas these have been retained as street numbers but in many cases have changed over the years. The position of each site at the time it was surveyed was indicated on the original maps. Slightly later maps showing the site numbers are available on the Griffith's data on the AskAboutIreland website - see : Griffith's Valuation (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml)

Chapel street where Michael is listed, is still there in Thomastown but doesn't have very many residences on it any more. see : Chapel Lane, Thomastown (http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,658652,642099,7,3)  Based on the older maps, most of the houses were at the western end of the street on the northern side - possibly in a terrace, about where the parking bay is now.

Maudin street joins Chapel Lane and runs north.


Shane
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Jaznjjj on Wednesday 30 January 13 08:35 GMT (UK)
Many thanks Shane, I obviously have some leads to follow up.  It looks like a pretty place!  Jennifer
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: athcarne on Monday 27 May 13 22:27 BST (UK)
Dear Biggles

I have witnessed record of my relative Martin Kirwan as baptised in the RC church in Thomastown in 1796.
His father was shown as Millis which I presume was Camillus and Mother Mary from Daingean, Thomastown.
Martin went to work as a carpenter in Arva Co.Cavan in 1820 and is shown in the 1841 census in Killeshranda living in Arva.he married into the
If you can help me in any way to I'd be most grateful......Tony





If anyone requires any help with look up of family history or the towns history of Thomastown please do'nt be afraid to ask and i will be happy to help.Also please feel free to add photos of the town.
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Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: KathyJ on Monday 09 December 13 19:49 GMT (UK)
Hello and I am trying to find information on Michael Sullivan.  He emigrated to Newfoundland at some point in time and married Mary McDaniel in St. John's Newfoundland in 1814.  On the parish marriage register it states he is from Thomastown, Kilkenny, Ireland.   I have no other information at this point.   Thank you for any help or suggestions where I could research.    Thanks.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: KathyJ on Sunday 15 December 13 22:14 GMT (UK)
Hello, Biggles and further to my last posting, I have a bit more information about my Sullivan McDaniel families and I am wondering if you could possibly point me to areas where I could further research my ancestors in County Kilkenny.   I can't do in-person research as I live in Canada.   What I have so far is:

My Sullivan family has their roots in Newfoundland and last week after several years of searching I found the marriage record that traces my ancestry back to Ireland:

Parish records, St. John’s, Newfoundland, Catholic Basilica of Saint John the Baptist:

April 30, 1814

Married:  Michael Sullivan of the parish of Thomastown, County of Kilkenny to Mary McDaniel of Knocktopher , Ireland.  Present: David Bolton and Mary Connelly.


Having found that information I was then able to find the immigration record for Michael Sullivan.   I was fortunate enough to find that he came across on a ship that was infamous, the Schooner Fanny.   The captain of that schooner was put on trial because of the horrendous conditions and the list of surviving passengers were part of the court records.   The article was in the Kilkenny Review and was by Cyril J. Byrne.   

Mick Sullivan, birth year about 1788, age 23, arrived in St. John’s Newfoundland in 1811 aboard the Schooner Fanny.

From that information I found possible birth certificates for Michael Sullivan and Mary McDaniel and then a possible marriage certificate for Daniel Sullivan and Bridget Costello dated 1787.


Two books that may be helpful to further my research are:

The Sullivans:  A Notable 19th Century Kilkenny Family by Peter Smithwick (reviewed in the Old Kilkenny Review XVI (1954) 23 – 32)

1797 Chief Catholic Inhabitants, Parishes of Graiguenamanach and Knocktopher (1a 1978)

If you could provide any sites where I may find further information about my Thomastown and Knocktopher ancestors or even where I could access copies of the two books above, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.
Title: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: athcarne on Sunday 29 December 13 07:57 GMT (UK)

Dear Biggles :)

The PP inThomastown showed me the Baptism record for my relative Martin Kirwan, baptised 1796.
Martin's father was shown as Millis which I presume was Camillus and Mother Mary from Daingean, Thomastown. Martin went to work as a carpenter in Arva Co.Cavan he is shown in the 1841 census in Killeshranda living in Arva.He married Catherine..?? in 1820 in Arva.
I would be grateful for any information or direction to trace Kirwans in Thomastown......Tony





If anyone requires any help with look up of family history or the towns history of Thomastown please do'nt be afraid to ask and i will be happy to help.Also please feel free to add photos of the town.
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Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: Had on Monday 18 August 14 10:34 BST (UK)
Hi Biggles, I'm wondering if I can take up your offer of doing look-ups in Thomastown.  I'm searching for my ggg grandfather CHARLES GORE.  I've just found this entry for a Charles Gore who died in Thomas town
 Event Type: Death 
 Event Date: 1873 
 Event Place: Thomastown, Ireland 
 Registration Quarter and Year: 1873 
 Registration District: Thomastown 
 Age: 81 
 Birth Year (Estimated): 1792 
 Volume Number: 9 
 Page Number: 656

The dates work out about right and I'm hoping that there may be some more information on the certificate that will either confirm or discount him as 'my' Charles. 
Thank you for your help
Regards Heather
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: ashenique on Sunday 03 May 15 09:54 BST (UK)
Hi Biggles - just wondering if you are still active.
I visited Thomastown in 2005, found a gentlemen around the Catholic Cemetery and he told me I had just missed the PP at the time.

My ancestors where from Thomastown / Deansrath - James Burns married Margaret Cummins, 22 Nov 1824, Thomastown, witnesses: John Headen & Mary Tobin. They had three children William, Francis and Mary.
William bapt 20 Jun 1827, sp. Edmund Nurry & Anastatia Aylward, residence Deansrath
Francis bapt 2 Sep 1829, sp. James Laracy & Mary Wall, residence Deansrath
Mary bapt 6 May 1832, sp. James Wall & Judith Larrissy, residence Deansrath

Margaret and Francis emigrated in 1855. Arrived in South Australia and settled originally around Clare.

Family history - passed down from Francis to his grandchildren (my g aunts/uncles) - says that James was a Doctor, and that he, William and Mary all died sometime prior to departure. Margaret became a large landowner in SA, very uncommon for females, so she must have had some money behind her, hence/maybe supporting Dr story??; Francis worked the land for her - and together they increased the land holding. Side story - when building the Catholic Church in a new settled area - Francis was granted permission and chose the name St Canices.

I am wondering whether you can help me to ascertain any information on the names Burns/Cummins - how common are/were they in the area?
Do records of Doctors exist?
Burials at the time - does Deansrath have a Cemetery?

Any help would be appreciated no matter how small.
Thanks
Shane



Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 03 May 15 11:10 BST (UK)
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/

This link gives info on distribution of surnames based on Griffiths Valuation taken mid 1800s.  Just enter surname in box and click "Go".

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f8w

2nd link is for Tithe applotments Deansrath, Knocktopher Parish.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f8x/      Grave photos Knocktopher (unfortunately a lot of them are illegible in the photos)



Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 08 November 15 00:28 GMT (UK)
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1032     Thomastown

Link for RC Parish Registers

http://registers.nli.ie/#home_map


Some Thomastown Grave Inscriptions
http://www.interment.net/data/ireland/kilkenny/stmary/stmary.htm

http://www.thomastownparish.ie/ourparish/memorials-of-the-dead/in-memory/
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: knick on Saturday 20 August 16 19:02 BST (UK)
I am looking for distant relatives with the surname "Cody" and "Archdeacon/Archdekin" in Thomastown.  My 6th Great-grandmother was Eleanor Agnes Archdeacon Cody (1718-1787) who came to the U.S. around 1750.  I have seen several spellings of the surname Cody.  Any assistance you may be able to provide will be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Thomastown CO Kilkenny Ireland
Post by: dublin1850 on Wednesday 05 July 17 09:19 BST (UK)
Have an ancestor William McKeon (CofI) born 1812 who served in the RIC in Kilkenny all his career. He enlisted in Sligo.

I can find records of two of his children's deaths in 1871 in Powerstown, Graigue, but no sign of his wife's death (I believe she was Mary Prescott) or any children who survived, other than my gg grandmother Catherine, who was baptised in Fertagh (Johnstown).

I know there must be other children as some people describing themselves as 'the McKeons from Waterford (it may have been Wexford)' showed up at a family funeral in the 1990s but were gone before anyone spoke to them at any length. I know William served in Thomastown at some stage, but was in a number of the rural Kilkenny RIC stations.

They were fairly fluid on the old religion thing.