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Title: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Monday 29 March 10 23:01 BST (UK)
Wondering if someone could look up for me the birth record of William Everley Washbourn born 1819 Catherham Surrey, probably born at Tillingdown Manor. Williams father was Richard Washbourn, mothers name not sure! I am wanting to find the name of Williams mother. She was probably born in Wiltshire. Thanks Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 March 10 23:10 BST (UK)
Submitted IGI record shows birth was 19.6.1819 Tillingdown Surrey died 27.4.1888

Submitted records are an indication that somebody else is researching the same family but the information given on submitted records is frequently unreliable

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0bq/
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Valda on Tuesday 30 March 10 16:56 BST (UK)
Hi

The IGI covers Caterham parish registers

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountySurrey.htm#C

No Washbourns.

There is a Tillingdown Hill near Caterham which had a farm. Can't see a manor though

http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/sccwebsite/sccwspages.nsf/LookupWebPagesByTITLE_RTF/Tillingdown?opendocument

10th February 1841 Christ Church Southwark
William Everley Washbourn Full Age Bachelor Farmer Caterham Surrey Richard Washbourn Farmer
Susan Ann Hawk Full Age Spinster 26 Stamford Street Joseph Hawk Decorator
By licence, both signed
Witnesses Joseph Hawk, Martha Gardener, Mary Ann Palmer, Jackson Barwise? and Mary Ann Dadd?

1841 census HO107 1077/9 folio 9
Tillingdown Tandridge Surrey
Richd Washbourn 44 Farmer not born Surrey
William Washbourn 20 Farmer not born Surrey
Susan Washbourn 20 Not born Surrey

On the 1851 census in Caterham Richard gave his birthplace as Gatesbury Wiltshire. As William emigrated to New Zealand the 1841 census is the only evidence for his place of birth which wasn't Surrey if the census was correct.

Richard seems to have been buried at St Lawrence Oldbury On the Hill Gloucestershire - 24th April 1858 aged 81.

William's New Zealand death certificate should give his mother's name.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Daisypetal on Wednesday 31 March 10 18:36 BST (UK)

Hi,

As Richard's age is 74 in the 1851 census I think this might br his birth, in Yatesbury, Wiltshire.

25 Sep 1776
Place: Yatesbury, Wiltshire 
Richard WASHBOURN
Parents: John & Shusana


Possible marriage of his parent's,

Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds 
28 Oct 1775
John WASHBOURN
Groom's parish: Yatesbury
Groom's occupation: farmer
Susannah WALTER 
Bride's parish: Yatesbury
Bondsman 1: WALTER Richard, farmer, Yatesbury


Regards
Daisy
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Wednesday 07 April 10 23:20 BST (UK)
Thank you so much to everyone who has reied to my Washbourn request.

Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: scoobie2010 on Thursday 10 June 10 01:57 BST (UK)
Lisa B
I have a friend directly related to the William Everley Washbourn. We to are trying to find out his mothers name. We think it could have been Susanna Everley . I have a copy of William Washbourn's death certificate and it lists his mother as unknown. Could you please let me know how you are connected to this family. Any information on the mystery of Mrs Richard Washbourn. would be great. Also Any information on Emma Everley
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Thursday 10 June 10 05:03 BST (UK)
Hi there. William Everley Washbourn is my Grt Grt Grt Grandfather, I descend through his daughter Ellen Gertrude Washbourn. Not sure about the Everley connection, Emma Everley was said to be an aunt of Williams but we don't have any information on this. I know that she died in 1884. I do know that William was born at Tillingdown Manor Caterham Surrey. Tillingdown was situated on about 600 acres of land and was at a time devoted to growing mainly wheat. I have even looked into the Evenlyn family who once owned Tillingdown as being a possible maternal family of descent for William but I haven't come up with anything here either. Seems odd that know one knew who Williams mother was, maybe his family were never told as his mother died in child birth. As I understand William was a late in life baby so maybe the shock of her death meant his father never discussed the situation. I look forward to your reply. Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Valda on Thursday 10 June 10 19:32 BST (UK)
Hi

Burial 28th December 1827 All Saints Yatesbury
Susanna Washbourn aged 82

9th November 1797
John


Prerogative Court of Canterbury will

Will of Susanna Washbourn otherwise Wasbarn, Widow of Yatesbury , Wiltshire 22 May 1828 PROB 11/1741


http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/power-search.asp?searchType=powersearch


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Thursday 10 June 10 20:38 BST (UK)
Hi there thanks for this post. This lady is William's grandmother, who was married to John Washbourn Yatesbury. Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Valda on Thursday 10 June 10 22:30 BST (UK)
Hi

That's why I gave the information. If you already know about her will, then you are presumably saying the details of that will don't give any further information on the spouse and children of Richard?


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Friday 11 June 10 02:44 BST (UK)
O thanks for that. I haven't seen the will, but will find out if family here have a copy from previous research. William was an only child. When William turned 21 in 1840 he received 21,000 pounds so it's possible that this inheritance was from his grandmother Susanna. So for the fact  that the family here know he received this money they must have a will. Thanks heaps for your help. Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Valda on Friday 11 June 10 09:57 BST (UK)
Hi

and of course its possible the specific inheritance in 1840 came through his maternal line. The details of his paternal grandmother's will may give a clue/s to his maternal line.

Susanna's will can be obtained as a download from The National Archives at the link I gave - price £3.50


You will also find that John's will (1798) and possibly his father's administration (also John 1761) are available from Wiltshire Record Office (index online)


http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/heritage/


John whose will proved in 1798 is down as John senior indicating he had a son called John.


If Richard left a will it is probably held by the Probate Service

http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1176.htm


There is a help guide at the top of the Rootschat Surrey boards about wills which explains which wills are held where and why.


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403332.0.html



Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Friday 11 June 10 23:10 BST (UK)
Hi Valda thanks so much for all of your help. Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: scoobie2010 on Tuesday 15 June 10 23:25 BST (UK)
Lisa B , Thankyou for your reply. Mrs Richard Washbourn is a real mystery. Hopefully someone will find her. Are you in NZ. I can send you the information on W. E. Washbourn death certificate.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Wednesday 16 June 10 00:45 BST (UK)
Hi there you could sent a copy of the certificate via a private email if you wish? How are you related, how far have you managed to research the family tree back? I think we will find our relative it's just a matter of finding the right wills etc..., non of the certificates seem to bring anyone any further to finding her. It almost feels like a piece of ourselves is lost. Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: scoobie2010 on Thursday 17 June 10 23:21 BST (UK)
Lisa B, I am not related, but have been helping a friend with her research. We have received the death certificate from the UK for Richard Washbourn and not information on Mrs Richard Washbourn. so still a mystrey. My friends line is from William Everley. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Sunday 29 April 12 19:56 BST (UK)
I have a copy of Susannahs will if anyone interested will but very hard to read nearly impossible.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: alibaba on Sunday 13 July 14 23:41 BST (UK)
Hi Lisa, I am also descended from William Washbourn, via Henry Phillip ('Darby'), an older brother of Eleanor('Nell'). William is my gt gt grandfather. As Scoobie 2010 points out, our branch of the family has long puzzled over the identity of William's mother, and the relationship of 'Aunt Emma' Everley to William and his father Richard Washbourne. I'm away from home Nelson) for the next couple of days , so haven't access to the family records that I have at home, but I think I have a couple if photos of Florence/ Eleanor and Maud and also a few letters that these 3 girls wrote to their brother Arthur('Arty') in the 19th century. I am spending a night with a cousin who lives in Feilding on Friday night...Feilding/ Kimbolton area being the area, I think, that Nell and Maud settled around.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Sunday 20 July 14 21:11 BST (UK)
Hi there any information or photos would be great. We have no photos of Ellen as my great grandfather lost all photos in a house fire. I am still working on the idea of Williams mother having some connection to the Evenlyn/Everley family (Spelt both ways), who owned Tillingdown. This family also came from Wiltshire which would fit with the Washbourns. There are a number of published pedigrees for the family in Visitations etc... but I just can't find the link at present. William received a substantial amount of money at aged 21 and I believe it came from his maternal side of the family.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: alibaba on Sunday 20 July 14 21:47 BST (UK)
Hi Lisa, Our family has been speculating for several generations about the identity of 'Aunt' Emma Everley, but no-one has managed to solve the mystery. The name Everley has been incorporated into the names of several of our relations eg my grandfather Henry Everley Arthur Washbourn( a GP in Nelson , and my uncle Richard Everley Washbourn (who was a Rear Admiral and Chief of the Naval Staff in N Z in the early 1960s, and this Richard's son is Jonathon Everley Washbourn.  I don't think that anyone has previously made that connection with the Everley name and the Tillingdown owners, so that's exciting! When Emma died she apparently left everything to William, despite not having seen him  since he left for NZ decades before.... Presumably they wrote to each other regularly .There was a feeling in the family that most of Emma's bounty was taken by the English lawyers who were handling her estate and only a small fraction of the money's reached NZ there was apparently a fine portrait William's father Richard mounted on a hunting steed that was sold cheaply at auction in Devizes after Emma's demise. I have some great letters that the sisters  wrote, mostly to their brother Arty who stayed in Golden Bay... often difficult to decipher as they tended to write a page and then spin the page 90 degrees and write another page over the top of the original.. if that makes sense! Also 3 or photos of the sisters Nell, Maud and Florence which would be exciting for you to see ! I'm new to this site , so how would it be best to send you material that I have? Can one post photos on this site? I live in Nelson, but travel often to the Wellington to see family
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Sunday 20 July 14 21:51 BST (UK)
One pedigree attached:
http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=ivlDAQAAIAAJ&pg=PR8-IA2&dq=George+Evelyn+of+West+Dean+Wiltshire&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vumhU_uIN8yXuASGn4DIBA&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=George%20Evelyn%20of%20West%20Dean%20Wiltshire&f=false

Plus info about Tillingdown:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43071

https://archive.org/stream/visitationsofcou43beno#page/42/mode/2up

You could send a personal email.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Friday 02 September 16 21:53 BST (UK)
To anyone interested I have purchased the will of Emma Everley and she lists William Everley Washbourn as her brother. Emma left William her estate minus costs and her mortgage. So I suspect Richard either had a daughter and son which I believe were both illegitimate and born to different mothers or Emma was the daughter of William's mother either way making them half siblings. Emma's lawyer was William Chubb of Middlesex and her executor was Richard's brother in-law possibly Emma's uncle Thomas Hicks Chandler gentleman, husband of Anne Washbourn Richard's sister. Emma's estate only amounted to 724 pounds, 1shilling and 11dimes. Emma doesn't appear to have inherited any vast fortune while William on the other hand seemed to inherit considerable wealth.
Title: Re: Washbourn - Tillingdown link with Evelyn Family
Post by: Lisa B on Monday 10 September 18 04:18 BST (UK)
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/surrey/vol4/pp321-326#h3-0003

TILLINGDON or TILLINGDOWN
TILLINGDON or TILLINGDOWN was held as a manor in 1086. The wife of Salie, who held Tandridge of Richard de Clare at Domesday, held Tillingdon also of the same overlord, and it is probable that the two manors descended together until the time of Thomas de Warblington, in the latter part of the 13th century. In 1300 Christine his widow, then married to Henry de Shenefeld, sued for her dower out of lands here, but it was found upon inquiry that Thomas had sold to Gilbert de Clare, late Earl of Gloucester and Hertford, all his lands in Tillingdon held in fee, including a capital messuage and curtilage of the yearly value of 3s. per annum, 300 acres of land and 200 acres of meadow, held for the service of half a knight's fee. (fn. 59) Tillingdon was then held as a member of Blechingley Manor (fn. 60) (q.v.) by the Clares and their descendants, (fn. 61) passing with Blechingley to Margaret wife of Hugh de Audley, one of the co-heirs of Gilbert de Clare. In 1428 the Earl of Stafford held half a knight's fee in Tillingdon and 'Todeham' in this parish. (fn. 62) The manor came to the Crown with Blechingley at the attainder of Edward Duke of Buckingham. The king granted it to Thomas Cardycan for life in 1522. (fn. 63) In 1525, presumably after Cardycan's death, Walter Chaldecote, serjeant-at-arms, received it from the king. (fn. 64) In 1532 the reversion was granted in tailmale to Sir Nicholas Carew, (fn. 65) who, however, forfeited it by his attainder.

¶Later the manor was granted to William Wibarn, who alienated to Sir Thomas Cawarden in 1545. (fn. 66) In 1562 William Lord Howard of Effingham received licence to alienate 'the capital messuage or farm called Tillingdon to Thomas Gardener.' (fn. 67) It passed before 1565 to Humphrey Shelton, who in that year alienated it to Alan Horde. (fn. 68) It afterwards became the property, by purchase from Horde, of George Evelyn of West Dean, Wiltshire, who died in 1637 and who also held Caterham and Marden in this county. (fn. 69) After this date it passed with the latter manor (q.v.), the sale of Marden from Mary Gittings to Sir Robert Clayton in 1672 including also the tenement or farm of Tillingdon, estimated to contain about 600 acres. (fn. 70) The farm of Tillingdon lies in the detached portion of Tandridge cut off by Godstone parish. The original manor, however, seems from the Domesday Survey to have included the site of a church, presumably Tandridge Church, which is as old as 1120. The part of the manor where the church is situated is apparently not in the hands of Sir W. R. Clayton, but it is not known at what date it was separated from the rest of the estate.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: hengeman on Monday 16 December 19 16:54 GMT (UK)
I have an extensive tree of the Yatesbury Washbourns, how they are connected with other yeoman families in Yatesbury, like Long, and Caswell.  Wills showing large inheritances etc.  All good stuff.

You can also visit my web page www.moonrakers.com where I am adding articles frequently  - see FORUM link for yatesbury village and Washbourn articles
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Monday 16 December 19 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Hengeman I would love to know more. I have a bit of information on this family but I have hit a brick wall because I live in NZ so have reached my end with research without a trip to the UK. I had a look at the link you provided but didnt see any infomation on the Washbourns. Look forward to your reply. Lisa
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: hengeman on Monday 16 December 19 21:33 GMT (UK)
Best thing is to register on the web page then I'll put your email address on my mail list. I have several back issues that will help. Perhaps you could post on the Washbourn thread & say how far back you have researched.

I know where all the money came from for the farms etc. It a developing story too! ::)

https://moonrakers.createaforum.com/ 

Once you register, then look for 'Wiltshire Family Surnames'   and make an entry there. I hope to post something shortly.
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: Lisa B on Monday 16 December 19 22:46 GMT (UK)
Hi I have signed up on moonrakers so I'll go back there
Title: Re: Washbourn
Post by: hengeman on Tuesday 21 February 23 09:10 GMT (UK)
I'm not a frequent visitor to this site, so apologies if this post is a bit late.

Here's a fascinating story regarding a large amount of cash transferred to the Washbourne girls of Yatesbury.

https://moonrakers.com/an-intrigue-a-puzzle-a-murder/

At the end of this article, there is a link - 'follow the money' which is a long - but good - read.