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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: chedburger on Tuesday 30 March 10 20:53 BST (UK)
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Hello
Is anyone from Carrigtwohill?
I would just love to find out more about the place because my father who died in 1939 came from Woodstock.
Any assistance gratefully received
Thanks
chedburger
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I'm not living in Carrigtwohill but am very familiar with the village as my great grandparents came from there. What exactly do you want to know?
It was a typical rural Ireland village until 10/15 years ago when there was a lot of construction of Industrial units & houses. It is now a large satellite town with a rail link to Cork City.
Here's a link to the local newsletter http://www.carrigtwohillcommunity.ie/history.htm
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Thank you for your prompt reply.
Are you researching Fitzgeralds? My family is Fitzgerald who were in Woodstock in the 1911 census.The family head was David,his wife Bridget.Several of the family moved to southern England,and my father John Joseph eventually moved to Newmarket ( Suffolk) where he married my mother Edith Caswell.
I have been pondering why some of the family left Ireland and what happened to the rest of the family.
I guess Fitzgerald is a common family name round Cork.
I would also like to obtain some photos to see what the area looked like.
Thanks again for your reply
Regards
Chedburger
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Yes I'm researching Fitzgeralds from Carrigtwohill!!
I'm a Fitzgerald (before marriage).
My greatgrandfather was John Fitzgerald, he worked in the railway station in Carrigtwohill in the late 1800s and eventually became station master in Little Island in the early 1900s. He married Johanna Barry in Carrigtwohill in 1874. He died in 1928 and is buried with his wife and son's family in Carrigtwohill cemetery. I have done lots of research into Fitzgerald's of Carrigtwohill to try to pinpoint his exact family. I believe his father was William Fitzgerald but I can't be sure where he came from yet. My grandfather's & father's name was also John Joseph Fitzgerald.
It is a very common name in East Cork but I imagine all the Carrigtwohill Fitzgeralds were related.
Have you any further info on your ancestors?
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Hi
WE could be connected!! I had a quick look at the Carrigtwohill website.
I got some info from the Mallow Heritage Centre,including the 1911 census which shows:
David FitzGerald (57), Farmer, married (11 Feb 1882), born County of Cork
Bridget (52),wife (nee Colman)
Thomas (28),son
Helena (24),daughter
Bridget (18),daughter (became a nun)
David (14),son (moved to England)
John Joseph (11),son (my father,moved to England)
Agnes (9),daughter (moved to England)
Gertrude (6),daughter
11 children were born to Bridget 10 still living
Other children shown in Parish baptism register are:
Elizabeth (1885)
Mary (1888)
Margaret (1890)
Theresa (1895)
Do you have any connections?
Best Wishes
Chedburger
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I can't see an immediate connection. My research suggests than my grgrandfather John was born to William Fitzgerald and Hanora Doyle in Curragh, Carrigtwohill in 1852. His father's occupation on his marriage cert says "carrier", I haven't yet discovered where his father was born. Your ancestors seem to have been farmers.
In Griffith's Valuation there a number of Fitzgeralds in Woodstock http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php .
I have examined the Carrigtwohill church registers and the original civil registration books and made copious notes on Fitzgeralds mentioned. I will have a look and see if there is anything that might be relevant to you.
Have you seen this old thread on the Ancestry boards http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.fitzgerald/1754/mb.ashx
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Thanks
I have checked out your links.
The Griffiths looks interesting,but who are they?
I started the thread on Ancestry way back,and saw one reference by Mike FitzGerald to the marriage of my grandfather David to Bridget Coleman.
Re daughter Bridget who became a nun I have photos of her in her habit,and now need to find out what Order she was a member of.
Thanks again,what a good find you were.I thought I would not get anywhere with my research!!
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Hi chedburger
if you haven't already looked up Griffith's Valuation I suggest you look at it on www.askaboutireland.ie It is a survey that was done about 1850 & names the head of household for every house & plot of land. It shows whether they were owner or just occupier. Put in Fitzgerald, Cork & Carrigtohill (this spelling) as civil parish. Under Thomas, who appears to be your David's father, you will see that John and Thomas Fitzgerald shared quite a lot of land in Woodstock. Meanwhile my gr-gr-grandfather William had only a house and yard in Barryscourt Road - the poor relation!
The church records for Carrigtwohill are available on www.irish-roots.ie this is a pay-per-view site but you can search for free. If you put Fitzgerald in the surname box and Carrigtwohill in the parish you can extract info by using initial A -Z in both First name & father's first name individually. It's a slow process but cheaper than paying €5 per record until you're sure you have the correct one.
The civil registers are indexed on the pilot search facility on familysearch.ie. These cover records post 1864.
If you can post the pic of your aunt the nun someone may be able to identify her habit.
I'll see what I can do about some pics of Carrigtwohill for you.
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Hi Agho
Thanks for your info,progress at
I have had a quick look and will investigate further.
The family have had a mixed history,but we manage to survive!
I will post Auntie Briget's photo and see what happens.
Thanks again.Hope we keep in touch
Chedburger
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My great grandmother; Brigid Daly left Carrightwohill, with her brothers Daniel and Isaac , in the mid 1860s. I would appreciate any help advice , anyone could give me regarding local sources of information and travel to Liverpool. She married a William Cunningham in Birkenhead in 1876 and had 5 children, all girls.
They travelled from Queenstown to Liverpool on vessel 6. Bridgid's Father's name was John Daly. That's all I have been able to discover.
Thanks Jeanette McIntyre
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Hi chedburger and agho- Recently discovered my Gr Gr grandparents were married Caggigtwohill 1820. He was Richard Fitzgerald from TALLOW Co Waterford. She was Johanna Barry from Carrigtwohill. I note a later Johanna Barry also. I know the Barry and Fitzgerald names were prolific in Carrigtwohill. Richard and Johanna lived and died in Tallow. Some family lived in Midleton Co. Cork. Seeking the names of children of Richard and Johanna also their parents names. Does anything of above ring a bell? Looking at the names you both mention I do not see my family names, but who knows/ Thanks Maureen
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Hi, I am seeking info on my great great great grandmother. She married a John Walsh, my ggg grandfather, and gave birth to William Walsh, my gg grandfather, in 1828.
I know that my ggg John remarried in Ballymacoda Ladysbridge in 1839 and had three children there with his second wife, before immigrating to the U.S.
I have found two women who were married to John Walshes and gave birth to William Walshes within a year or two of 1828. They both lived in Carrigtwohill.
I'm wondering if anyone can tell me the names of the cemeteries in Carrigtwohill where she could have been buried between 1828 and 1839?
If I could search and find a Mrs. Walsh who died in Carrigtwohill during those years, she might be my ggg grandmother.
Thank you!
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Hi, AVOPATTO,
I think it's very possible that the later Johanna Barry that you mention was the young second wife of my great great great grandfather, John Walsh (b. 1808). They married in Ballymacoda, Ladysbridge (very close to Carrigtwohill) on October 13, 1839, and they had three children in Ballymacoda: John, b. Jan. 28, 1841; Mary, b. Feb. 2, 1843, and Honora, b. August 2, 1848. They moved to Lagro, Wabash, Indiana, U.S.A. shortly after. John Walsh died in Indiana and then Johanna and the kids moved to Janesville, Wisconsin to be near John's son from his first marriage, my great great grandfather William Walsh. They are all buried in Janesville, Wisconsin, including Johanna Barry Welch. (Walsh got changed to Welch in America).
The reason I think our Johanna Barry is from Carrigtwohill is because there is a Johanna Barry born in Carrigtwohill on July 21, 1821. It matches the year of Johanna's death on her death certificate and gravestone in Wisconsin. (He would have been about 30 and she about 18 when they married!)
Of course I can't be certain because there are no records for Ballymacoda Ladysbridge from before 1836, so I don't know if there was another Johanna Barry born there the same year!
I'm seeking information about John's first wife, because she was my ggg grandmother, but I'm having trouble finding anything for sure. There were a couple of women married to John Walshes who gave birth to William Walshes at the right time in Carrigtwohill as well. But of course I don't have the records for Ballymacoda.
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Hello
Is anyone from Carrigtwohill?
I would just love to find out more about the place because my father who died in 1939 came from Woodstock.
Any assistance gratefully received
Thanks
chedburger
https://www.google.com/search?q=carrigtwohill+image&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=jA9HU6m_Fqug7AbLi4H4AQ&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=799
Link has various images of Carrigtwohill
http://www.irelands-directory.com/Cork/Carrigtwohill/map-streetview.html
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Hi, Agho, or Anyone,
Would anyone be able to provide me with the names of cemeteries in Carrigtwohill where people were buried in the early and mid 1800's? (Roman Catholic if they are divided by religion). I would like to search for family members buried in these cemeteries, but I don't know the names of them. I've asked in a few places but have not received replies. This would help me SO much.
Thank you very much!!
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http://carrigtwohill.myparish.eu/ There are contact details at end of page on this link.
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Hi, Conahy Calling,
Thank you very much for that. It is worth a try! I wrote to the Carrigtwohill community council but no one wrote back to me. Maybe the church is a better idea.
I wrote to them, so I hope they write back.
Thank you again!
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www.historicgraves.ie may have carrigtwohill graveyards :)
Hi, Agho, or Anyone,
Would anyone be able to provide me with the names of cemeteries in Carrigtwohill where people were buried in the early and mid 1800's? (Roman Catholic if they are divided by religion). I would like to search for family members buried in these cemeteries, but I don't know the names of them. I've asked in a few places but have not received replies. This would help me SO much.
Thank you very much!!
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Thank you very much for trying to help. I've looked through every single cemetery and grave that looks to be near Carrigtwohill, on the Historic Graves site. But not all graveyards are up on that site, so I need to know which graveyards were/are actually associated with Carrigtwohill, and whether those graveyards are on line yet, or whether they are not, so I know where to search next.
Thank you! I am grateful for any ideas or information.
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Thank you very much for trying to help. I've looked through every single cemetery and grave that looks to be near Carrigtwohill, on the Historic Graves site. But not all graveyards are up on that site, so I need to know which graveyards were/are actually associated with Carrigtwohill, and whether those graveyards are on line yet, or whether they are not, so I know where to search next.
Thank you! I am grateful for any ideas or information.
Not all graveyards are online yet it is a "work in progress". I do know there is a very old graveyard near carrigtwohill I will try to get the name in the next few days. I visited it many years ago for my own research but most of the stones arent legible. The Church doesnt have records of burials I believe Cork County Council looks after this area but unsure if they would have records for the era you mention :)
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Ballydw, you are extremely helpful and I truly appreciate it!
I would love to know the name of the cemetery in Carrigtwohill! When I have the chance to go to Ireland again I will have to at least look.
I found out that my family lived in Ballymacoda Ladysbridge (for sure--- found the records on Roots Ireland with correct names and birthdates) but the Ballymacoda records do not go back far enough to trace my great great great grandmother, since she died at some point after giving birth to my great great grandfather in 1828. GGG grandfather lived in Ballymacoda with second wife and had three kids there before relocating to U.S. in 1853.
There are a couple of good possibilities for baptism of my gg in Carrigtwohill, but of course I would have to know if the mother died in the right years. (Of course it could all be moot if he was born in Ballymacoda!)
Are you or your family from Ballymacoda as well? I noticed the Bally in your name.
Thanks again!!!
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Hi Walsh-Seeker.
Name of old graveyard in carrigtwohill is TEMPLECURRAHEEN there was old church there known as KILCURFIN which is located north west of Carrigtwohill. :)
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Hi, Ballydw, and thank you for that information. I don't see Templecurraheen on the Historic Graves site nor on the Find a Grave Memorial site, so I may have to save that one for when I come to Ireland! :-)
You said you have been in Ireland, in that area. Is it pretty? I've been in Ireland three times and I've found every place I've been to be beautiful. However I've never been in Cork because I didn't know I had family from Cork until now. There are not too many photos on line of the Ballymacoda Ladysbridge area except for their sports teams! How would you describe the countryside (only if you have time to reply, of course!)
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https://www.google.com/search?q=ladysbridge+co+cork+images
Some images from Ladysbridge on link :)
https://www.google.com/search?q=ballymacoda+ladysbridge+image
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Those have some pretty ones! Thank you very much! :)
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Just stumbled upon RootsChat and this forum RE: Carrigtwohill during my own research concerning Templecurraheen cemetery where according to my family history my great grand parents are buried. Some info for Ballydw and Walsh-seeker. Apparently this area is more formerly known as Kilcurfin Glebe ( you can locate it with Google Maps - check Satellite and Street View) - very small cemetery (not well kept heavily overgrown). So far I have been unable to locate who has the records. Its not far from St Marys Parish in Carrigtwohill. Hope that helps.
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Thanks! I looked it up. At this link you can find a few of the graves listed.
http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/cork/cemeteries/templecurraheen.txt
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Thanks for the quick reply - I was familiar with that doc (one of the few for Templecurraheen) but as you can see very limited. I will be in that area in the next couple of weeks. If I can locate a better record source, I will post it. Thanks again
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Hi, ubhig,
Yes, that site was extremely limited! :) I figured it was worth sending your way just in case any of those few names were your ancestors.
As you are looking at graves in that area, if you by any chance come across a grave for a Mrs. Walsh who died between 1827 and 1839 (my great great great grandmother), I would appreciate it immensely if you would be willing and able to write down the info for me. (I wish I knew her first name, but I don't.) Her husband's name was John Walsh, but his grave would not be with hers because he died later in the U.S.
I understand you will probably be too busy to look for anything other than your own--- this is "just in case." I will do my best to return the favor when I eventually get there, if you need something watched for. Enjoy your time in the Emerald Isle, and I hope your search is fruitful!
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Thanks Walsh Seeker - If I find anything I will send some Pics meanwhile do try Google Maps you can see how small the cemetery is and switching to Street View you can drive right up to the little white gate and if you zoom in you get a sense of how old the headstones are. FYI - I'm looking for the grave of my great grand parents Timothy Higgins and Catherine Linehan ( both died abt 1910 or so). The last time there I found some head stones for those family names but no names that I had a known connection to. Hopefully this time I will have more time to explore and dig thru the overgrowth.
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That's interesting because one of the possibilities for my g-g-g grandmother is a Mary Linehan Walsh. From a baptismal record on rootsireland.ie, she had a husband named John Walsh and son named William born in 1827. (My great great grandfather was William Walsh, born between 1826 and 1828).
I'm not certain Mary Linehan Walsh is the right person; she's just a possibility. But the name Linehan is in my mind because of that, so I will watch for your family members in my searches. Have you checked RootsIreland.ie.? You have to pay to look at records on that site, but it was so worth it to me, because that was how I found where my Walsh line was from in Ireland. No other site had the records.
I will definitely look at the cemetery on Google Earth street view tomorrow. I would love to see this small, old cemetery in Ireland near where my ancestors lived! Thank you!
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Will keep you in the loop on any Linehan findings also. I have been using Ancestry.com ( under Higgins Family Tree) at some point in time may have to expand to rootsireland. Thanks
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Good Afternoon,
I'm new to RootsChat and a bit confused.
I found the site while searching Google for Fitzgerald in Carrigtwohill, Cork.
What I found was several pages of chats but when I registered your post was virtually all that came up.
If you're still out there I'd love to share information.
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Ok...found those posts.
My search has me looking for information about Michael Patrick Fitzgerald born in 1907.
His parent were Patrick Fitzgerald and Nora Hartnett.
The 1911 census has Nora and Michael living with her parents, Michael and Ellen Hartnett in house 2 in Gortamucky, Carrigtohill...still working on Ellen's maiden name. Patrick, according to family stories, was in the merchant marines at the time of the census.
Patrick made visits to the family here in New York but lived Carrigane Cottage, Carrigtwohill at the time of his death.
It seems likely that many of the Fitzgeralds from Carrigtwohill are related so any and all information would be fantastic.
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Hi MCGR23,
Welcome to RootsChat. I am sorry but it looks like Chedburger is no longer picking up his email notifications :'(
Regards
Sarah
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I am an native of this area and know all the homes in this townland. what do you want to know?
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The graveyards in Carrigtwohill are: St. Mary's ( Adjacent to parish church) and Templeacurraheen which is about 2 miles away. There is a very old burial place called the "Relig" at Ballyannan which is next to the ruined Cromwellian castle
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Hi, Tijom,
That is really kind of you--- thank you so much for the offer.
I have done a huge amount of research since I wrote the above posts. During that time, I discovered that I was looking at the completely wrong Walsh family. I found my actual ancestors in County Kerry, not in County Cork.
I wish I had some questions to ask you--- nothing like having a local to look things up-- but I don't need info in Cork anymore
But I had to let you know that I appreciate your kindness! And I hope the people who do need Cork information will see your offer.
Thank you and all the best to you,
Walsh-seeker
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Not a bother. i hope you find what you are looking for.
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Hi
I have just seen the enquiries by Chedburger regarding Woodstock near Carrigtwohill. My grandmother was Helena Lawton (Lena) nee Fitzgerald and mother is Kate ( Kitty) now 94 years.
If Chedburger is out there I can help.
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Hello Woodstock,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I have just checked on Chedburgers profile settings and sadly I can see that his email notifications are no longer working, it looks like he has changed email address but has not kept us upto date with his new one. I have done a quick search but could find nothing online of help. So sorry we could not connect you.
Regards
Sarah
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Good Morning,
I'm researching my wife's family, (Fitzgerald), and hoping there may be someone here to share information.
Her Grandfather, Patrick, is from Carrigtwohill, born in 1876 to Patrick Fitzgerald and I think Mary Lawton, also from Carrigtwohill. He died in 1961 in Carrigane Cottage, Carrigtwohill.
My research suggests that he had two older brothers, John 1872 and Richard 1873, and sister Johanna 1875.
The only marriage record I have been able to find for Patrick Fitzgerald and Mary Lawton is from 1871 Imogeela and has Patrick from Tullagreen, Carrigtwohill and Mary Lawton from Youngrove so I''m not sure that they are the Patrick and Mary I'm looking for.
Any and all information would be appreciated.
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Fitzgerald of Middleton from ? to 1888
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nns/
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Hi, ubhig,
Yes, that site was extremely limited! :)
Only limited by people visiting Cemeteres and not taking a few photos to add..... ;D
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Her Grandfather, Patrick, is from Carrigtwohill, born in 1876 to Patrick Fitzgerald and I think Mary Lawton, also from Carrigtwohill. He died in 1961 in Carrigane Cottage, Carrigtwohill.
If you think this is the correct Patrick, then he was born in Cleeduff (Clyduff) - a townland in civil parish of Carrigtwohill.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03031/2111014.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/barrymore/carrigtohill/carrigtohill/clyduff/
KG
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Richard born 1873.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03181/2166903.pdf
Johanna born 1875.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03111/2140919.pdf
KG
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John born 1872.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03245/2189115.pdf
KG
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Possibly Mary, born 28th November 1878, at Windsor Hill Midleton.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02939/2076974.pdf
KG
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was there a Nora born circa 1885
Nora Fitzgerald dtr of Patrick Fitzgerald and Mary Lawton married John Patrick O'Brien ,29th Nov 1912 at Warren,Bristol,Rhode Island, U S. Nora age 27 John age 40
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q24H-C7JG
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The townland of Carrigane, civil parish of Carrigtwohill.
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/barrymore/carrigtohill/carrigtohill/carrigane/
KG
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This may be the death of Mary Fitzgerald, 1898, #73, at Carrigane. The informant looks like Patrick Fitzgerald but the writing is poor.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05828/4650239.pdf
KG
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was there a Nora born circa 1885
Hanora, born 31st March 1884 at Little Island, #77
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02685/1989120.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/little-island/
KG
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Nice one K G
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Thank you for the quick reply Kiltaglassen.
Richard, John and Johanna fit with our Patrick. I'm not aware of there being a Nora but it gives me another lead to follow.
The death of Mary will help as well though I have to be careful as I've found records for a Patrick and a Mary Lawton in both Carrigtwohill and Imogeela and I'm constantly trying to tease out which line I'm looking at.
My wife's father Michael was born in Carrigtwohill and he arrived in Boston. His sister, Mary lived in Massachusetts while he came to New York City to start his family and raise his children.
I'm not sure if you too are researching Fitzgeralds from Carrigtwohill but if you are I'd be happy to share information.
Thanks again,
McG
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Nice indeed
Great to find a site that's up and functioning and people who are ready to help.
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Already posted C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Fitzgerald of Middleton from ? to 1888
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nns/
just amend years if you need and search.
You can select Marriages etc from list on left.....
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1901 Census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nnv/
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willcalendars. nationalarchives. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nnw/
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Will Regiters http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nnx/
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Valuation Books http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nny/
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/vob/home.jsp explains
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Thanks again...you guys are keeping me busy...but no luck so far.
My wife's grandfather, and possibly his father as well, was in the merchant marines. So, in the 1911 census his name, Patrick, doesn't appear with that of his wife, Honora and eldest son, Michael who are living with her mother and father...which made for some confusion initially.
A question...a funeral home card for my wife's grandfather as well as a death certificate I found lists his place of death as Carrigane Cottage, Carrigtwohill. Does anyone know if Carrigane Cottage is an address or a separate town/village?
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P.S.
Hallmark...love the pic accompanying your name. I'm still only at the banging my head on my wood computer stand stage.
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P.S.
Hallmark...love the pic accompanying your name. I'm still only at the banging my head on my wood computer stand stage.
;D
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Thanks again...you guys are keeping me busy...but no luck so far.
My wife's grandfather, and possibly his father as well, was in the merchant marines. So, in the 1911 census his name, Patrick, doesn't appear with that of his wife, Honora and eldest son, Michael who are living with her mother and father...which made for some confusion initially.
A question...a funeral home card for my wife's grandfather as well as a death certificate I found lists his place of death as Carrigane Cottage, Carrigtwohill. Does anyone know if Carrigane Cottage is an address or a separate town/village?
Carrigane is a townland in Carrigtwohill so Carrigane Cottage is a dwelling in this area. You could look at Church records for Carrigtwohill which are very clear at www.registers.nli.ie
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Hello MCGR23, I believe your wife is my cousin. My grandfather was Richard Fitzgerald, elder brother to her grandfather Patrick. My father was Richard's youngest son.
Our cousin in Ireland has put together a nice genealogy booklet if you're interested.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
My greatgrandfather was John Fitzgerald, he worked in the railway station in Carrigtwohill in the late 1800s and eventually became station master in Little Island in the early 1900s. He married Johanna Barry in Carrigtwohill in 1874. He died in 1928 and is buried with his wife and son's family in Carrigtwohill cemetery
Just posting links to an earlier post reply.
Marriage of John Fitzgerald and Joanna Barry 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11256/8128468.pdf
John Fitzgerald death 1928
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1928/04951/4346549.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/barrymore/carrigtohill/carrigtohill/ballyadam/
KG