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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Nairnshire => Topic started by: frimleyrose on Thursday 01 April 10 14:33 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am trying to trace sibling details of Elizabeth Rose born 10/01/1877 at 22 Harbour Street Nairn. Married in Elgin to James Grant and died 05/07/1946.
Info I have is that she had:
a Brother Alexander who lived 22 Harbour Street then 17 Caledonian Street both Nairn.
a Sister Mary who lived in Paisley at some point
a Sister Jane who lived at 2 Brown Street Inverness at some point and may have married a MacDonald?
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Hello
Do you have parents names?
Have you census records or is it up to date info of the siblings you seek?
Regards, Steve :)
The IGI is useful for finding siblings - up to 1875 If you have Elizabeth Rose birth entry - it'll also give parents marriage details
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Cannot help with living descendants but this appears to be the family in 1881 - additional sibling Angus
19 King St Nairn
Alexander Rose 41 b Fortwilliam Inverness - gamekeeper
Frederica 38 b Badenoch, Inverness
Alexander 12 b Strathspey
Angus 11 ditto
Jane 9 ditto
Eliza 5 b Nairn
Mary 4 Months b Nairn
Nairn ED 2 Page 7 Line 16
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In 1891 they are living at 17 Caledonian St Nairn - all children as 1881 but with the addition of a grand daughter - Henrietta Rose aged 1 who I would guess is Jane's illegitimate daughter. Frederica is shown as Frederickina
Nairn ED 4 Page 9 Line 6
By 1901 - Alexander snr is shown as 13yrs old so I have assumed it should say 63!!. They are still at the 1891 address
Alexander Rose 63
Frederickina 59
Angus 32
Alexander 30
Henerietta 10 g/dtr
George 9 g/son
Nairn ED 3 Page 18 Line 24
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The 1871 shows several more siblings so Henrietta may belong to one of them instead
1871 for Moray - all b Inverness
Alexander Rose 32 gamekeeper b Fort William
Frederina 30 b Laggan
David 9 b Rothiemurchus
Catherine 7 b Strathmachie
Isabella 5 b Sheromore
Betsy 4 ditto
Angus 2 ditto
Alexander 2 Months b Cromdale
Cromdale and Advie ED 1 Page 12 Line 2
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Hello
Do you have parents names?
Have you census records or is it up to date info of the siblings you seek?
Regards, Steve :)
The IGI is useful for finding siblings - up to 1875 If you have Elizabeth Rose birth entry - it'll also give parents marriage details
Hello Steve, Thank you for your reply. No, I don't have census records I am pretty new to all this. Can you please tell me what IGI stands for?
Thanks, June
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The 1871 shows several more siblings so Henrietta may belong to one of them instead
1871 for Moray - all b Inverness
Alexander Rose 32 gamekeeper b Fort William
Frederina 30 b Laggan
David 9 b Rothiemurchus
Catherine 7 b Strathmachie
Isabella 5 b Sheromore
Betsy 4 ditto
Angus 2 ditto
Alexander 2 Months b Cromdale
Cromdale and Advie ED 1 Page 12 Line 2
Good evening Carole and thank you so much for all the information. I am going through it as we speak and will get back to you.
Regards June
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Hello June
IGI is the website at www.familysearch.org run by the Mormons - good for Scotland up to 1875. Shall go and do a search for the family thanks to the info posted by CaroleW.
Alexr. Rose married Frederina Campbell on 12 Feb 1862 , Laggan, Inverness Scotland.
The above marriage and all chidrens birth entries will be available form the govt. ppv site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - free to register. min £6.00 spend. £1.20 to download each doc.
Shall post the 7 children pre 1875 now.
Here they are.....
1. David Rose b.12 May 1862 Duthil with Rothiemurchus, Inverness, Scotland
2. Catherine Rose b. 07 Nov 1863, Laggan, Inverness
3. Isabella Rose b.18 Feb 1865, Laggan, Inverness
4. Betsy Rose b. 19 Oct 1866, Laggan, Inverness
5. Angus Rose b. 18 June1868, Laggan, Inverness
6. Alexander Rose b. 03 June 1870, Cromdale and Inverallan and Advie, Inverness
7. Jane Rose b. 27 March 1872, Cromdale and Inverallan and Advie, Inverness
(Shall pm you with info on how to search for all children born to a couple pre 1875).
Regards, Steve :)
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This is the 1851 for Loch Laggan End - Laggan - indexed as Fredy Ann
All b Laggan except Elizabeth
Angus Campbell 59 agric labourer
Elizabeth 56 b Insh Inverness
Catherine 22
Helen 17
Jane 15
Fredy Ann 10
Laggan ED 5 Page13 Line 5
Marriage
ANGUS CAMPBELL Spouse: ELSPIT KERR Marriage: 04 JUL 1815 Laggan, Inverness
1841 for Laggan
Angus Campbell 50 ag labourer
Betty 35
Lachlan 15
Kathren 12
Helen 9
Jean 6
Laggan ED 5 Page 6 Line 1320
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LACHLAN CAMPBELL Birth: 26 JAN 1822 Christening: 17 MAR 1822 Laggan, Inverness Father: ANGUS CAMPBELL Mother: ELSPIT KERR
Lachlan would be 19 in 1841 but ages were rounded down to the nearest 5yrs from age 16 upwards which is why he is shown as 15
The IGI shows the following children born/christened to Angus & Elspit - all in Laggan
John c 29.9.1816
Ann b 2.3.1825 c 28.3.1825
Catherine c 20.9.1827
Elspet c 24.1.1830
Hellen b 21.4.1832 c 14.6.1832
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LACHLAN CAMPBELL Birth: 26 JAN 1822 Christening: 17 MAR 1822 Laggan, Inverness Father: ANGUS CAMPBELL Mother: ELSPIT KERR
Lachlan would be 19 in 1841 but ages were rounded down to the nearest 5yrs from age 16 upwards which is why he is shown as 15
The IGI shows the following children born/christened to Angus & Elspit - all in Laggan
John c 29.9.1816
Ann b 2.3.1825 c 28.3.1825
Catherine c 20.9.1827
Elspet c 24.1.1830
Hellen b 21.4.1832 c 14.6.1832
Morning Carole....Again - I am amazed at your knowledge and help. I have so much to learn and am thoroughly enjoying it all. Thank you so very much.
Kind Regards June
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Hello June
IGI is the website at www.familysearch.org run by the Mormons - good for Scotland up to 1875. Shall go and do a search for the family thanks to the info posted by CaroleW.
Alexr. Rose married Frederina Campbell on 12 Feb 1862 , Laggan, Inverness Scotland.
The above marriage and all chidrens birth entries will be available form the govt. ppv site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - free to register. min £6.00 spend. £1.20 to download each doc.
Shall post the 7 children pre 1875 now.
Here they are.....
1. David Rose b.12 May 1862 Duthil with Rothiemurchus, Inverness, Scotland
2. Catherine Rose b. 07 Nov 1863, Laggan, Inverness
3. Isabella Rose b.18 Feb 1865, Laggan, Inverness
4. Betsy Rose b. 19 Oct 1866, Laggan, Inverness
5. Angus Rose b. 18 June1868, Laggan, Inverness
6. Alexander Rose b. 03 June 1870, Cromdale and Inverallan and Advie, Inverness
7. Jane Rose b. 27 March 1872, Cromdale and Inverallan and Advie, Inverness
(Shall pm you with info on how to search for all children born to a couple pre 1875).
Regards, Steve :)
Hello Steve...
Well I am so engrossed now - this is wonderful. I started out with this to help my Mother (who has Dementia) as she loves to go back in time but can only recall bits and pieces. My Mother is Jean Anne Campbell Grant Feasey. Born 30/08/1922 to Elizabeth Rose born 10/01/1877. Jean is the last surviving of 14 siblings born to Elizabeth who married James Grant.
Isn't it a minefield!
Kind Regards June
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My pleasure. At the very least you'll have to do the £6.00 spend on Scotlands People.
As you're probably aware by now, if you download the Alexr. Rose/Frederina Campbell marriage entry it'll give you a lot of invaluable info - including both parents names and mothers maiden names on both side.
In turn, any of those parents who die after 1855 - should hopefully have their parents names on them.
Make sure you start putting the info into a Family History Package (and back it up somewhere). there are some excellent ones out there. I can't reccommend any. There is a free one on the www.familysearch.org site. If you elect to download it - you have the option to leave out the religious aspects of the download.
I also have individual family hard copy folders with copies of BMDs etc for easy reference. I also use the print facility at the top right of the Rootschat messages - print of my family specific threads then run them through the photocopier at work to turn them into .pdfs, then save them on an external drive I have
Regards, Steve
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Thank you Carole, I'll have a look at that - I am so engrossed in all this just now and I should have been in the greenhouse!
Regards June
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Hi frimleyrose
-just read your posting and wanted to tell you that we are related-Jane Rose was my great grandmother, married to Alex McDonald-I have a lot of information
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Hello James, I am so very pleased to hear from you :). Do you live in the Highlands? It would be wonderful to discover more about
My Mother - Jean Anne Campbell Grant - was the 14th and last child of Elizabeth Rose, Jane's sister.
My Mother, at 88, is the last remaining sibling and I am trying to put together some history of her Mothers family.
Would it be in order to give you my email address on the site?
Regards
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Hi -yes please give me your EMAIL address,I just joined up and I dont know how to work all the features on roots chat-I think you can send a private message somehow if you want to keep your email from public view -Jane Rose had a bunch of kids,three (illegitamate )before she met and married Alex Mcdonald and about eight with him including my grandfather-I live in Howard County Maryland U.S.A-but you have lots of relatives at Inverness-MY FULL TREE IS ON Genes Reunited and Ancestry .com-Are you a member of either of these? the tree on Jane and Elizabeth goes back a long way with surnames :Milne,Fraser McIntosh,Murray,Kerr,Mcdonald,Campbell,Miller-Ive looked for a long time for a relative from Jane,so Great to hear from you, send me a message soon
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Hello again James...
This is great - I trawled everywhere to find info on my Great Granmother too before finding this great site.
Yes I am a member of Genes Reunited and now have Roots Magic software to upload everything too (not quite there yet though lol!)
On Genes Reunited you will find me under June Rose Feasey and my email address is (*)
I am so looking forward to hearing from you again - was one of Jane's chldren called Henrietta?
Fond Regards
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Hi everyone!I googled "kerr+laggan" on the internet a few days ago and found this link.
Angus Campbell and Elspeth Kerr are my great-great-great-great-grandparents.
Angus Campbell and Elspeth's death cert. ( www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk)
Angus Campbell , Pauper (formerly gamekeeper) widower of Elizabeth Campbell)
died 24th december 1882 , Taigour, Parish of Laggan, 91 years.
Father: Niel Campbell, farmer, deceased
Mother: Grace Campbell, MS MacDonald.
cause of death : senile debility, no regular medical attendant
witness: Jane Campbell, daughter
Elizabeth Campbell (Pauper) married to Angus Campbell ( formerly gamekeeper) pauper
died 26th december 1875, Taigour, Parish of Laggan, 81 years
Father: John Kerr,agricultural labourer, deceased
Mother: Anne Kerr, MS Miller,
cause: decay of nature, no regular medical attendant
witness: Jane Campbell, daughter.
Their daughter Grace Campbell is my ancestor:
married John Maclauchlan (carpenter,from Fort Augustus?) in 1845
died 11th august 1865 , Torcroy, Kingussie&Insh, age 44 years, father Angus Campbell shepherd, mother Elizabeth Kerr, cause : disease of stomach.
children:
-Angus MacLauchlan b 1855 Torcroy, Insh, d 1914 Aviemore, m Jane Anne MacKenzie , Aviemore 1875, carpenter, joiner contractor, owner of the Temperance Hotel Aviemore ( 7 children with Jane Anne MacKenzie, + 1 child with Helen MacKIllop: John Maclauchlan b Balgown 1877, died Laggan 1877)
- John Maclauchlan b 1859 Insh
-Betty/ Betsy Maclauchlan b 1847 Duthil&Rothiemurchus
-Niel Campbell Maclauchlan b 1861 Kingussie & Insh
-Euan Duncan Maclauchlan b 1853
-Isabella Anne Maclauchlan b1846 Laggan
Torcroy is near the Kingussie-Insh road.
I haven't found Taigour, but there is a place called Feagour on the road between Laggan and Spean Bridge.
If you would like more data I will be happy to help.
Laurent, France.
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Hello there Laurent! Well we are distant cousins from way back!
Angus Campbell & Elizabeth (Betsy) Kerr were my Great Great Grandparents from their daughter Frederina Campbell. This must have been Grace's sister.
Frederina was born 1842 at Dalfoor. Alvie (South of Inverness) and married at Laggan in 1862 to Alexander Rose.
This is great finding you - Through this site I have also met another cousin from America!
Do you have any further information on any other siblings of Frederina & Grace?
Lovely to hear from you Laurent
June - Highlands of Scotland
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Hi June!
I'm sorry I don't know much more about Grace's family except her parents' names and grandchildren.
Her son Niel Campbell Maclauchlan married Maggie Mackay in 1892 in Port Glasgow. I found 2 children:
-Grace Maclauchlan
-Ivy Maclauchlan born 1900 Torcroy, Insh
Her daughter Betty Maclauchlan b 1847 had two illegitimate children:
-David Neil Maclauchlan b 1867 Torcroy, Insh
-John Grant Maclauchlan b 1876 Torcroy, Insh
Her son Angus Niel Maclauchlan married Jane Anne Mackenzie in 1878. Angus spoke both Gaelic and English.They had 7 children:
1) Grace Jane Maclauchlan ( my great-grandmother) b 4th may 1880 Inverallan. Grace worked in Edinburgh for a few years and had a child called Angus Maclauchlan (born in Edinburgh 1905). She then went back to Aviemore and married Alexander Collie in 1909. They had 5 children:
- Angus Wiiliam Collie b 1910 New Stevenston, died in Vancouver, Canada
-Alexander Collie(my grandfather) b 1912New Stevenston, died 1988 Insh
- Allan Collie b 1914
-Grace Collie b 1918, died 1929 after a mastoid operation in Inverness)
-John Collie b 1916, d 1987 Insh
When her husband developped rhumatoid arthritis, they went back to the Highlands. At one time they had a guest-house in Kingussie.Apparently Grace was a happy person who liked to laugh and cook for a large number of people. She spent her last years in Insh (Greenfield Croft) and died in 1952. Grace understood Gaelic but none of her children spoke the language.
2) Isabella Mary Maclauchlan b 14th march 1893 Aviemore
3) Margaret Anne Maclauchlan, b 1883 Aviemore,died young
4)John Maclauchlan b 1887 Aviemore.
5)George Angus Maclauchlan b 1884 Aviemore, married Jessie Fergusson 1910 Docharn ( Boat Of Garten). 1 daughter: Margaret Jane Maclauchlan, b 1912 Dochlaggan. He fought in WWI and his trace disappears in "Mesopotamia".
6)James Bain MacLauchlan b 1885 Aviemore, married Jessie Martin 1909 Inverness, d 1945 Inverness, joiner. I found 2 daughters:
-Jessie Anne Maclauchlan b 1910 Cnoc Granish, married James Crilley
-Isabella Maclauchlan b 1918 Avielochan
7)Jessie Watson Bain Maclauchlan b 1889 Aviemore, married Charles Asher 1912 . Charles was killed in France in 1918. They had 1 daughter: Janet Asher b 1912 Boat of Garten. Jessie died in 1990 in Ballindaloch.
I will look in the Mormon Files for Campbells in Laggan when I have more time.
Kind regards,
Laurent.
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Hello again Laurent - thank you so much for all the information. I am gradually putting all this data onto gedcom software (do you use such software?) with the hope of eventually disseminating the Family Tree to all who are interested outwith my immediate family.
I will PM you with my email address.
Regards June
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Hi Laurent,
I just saw your posts. My grandparents were Neil Campbell MacLauchlan and Maggie MacKay of Torcroy, Kingussie. I live in Inverness.
Susanbec