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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Suzy W on Wednesday 28 April 10 22:46 BST (UK)
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Hi all.
My eyes can only make out so much of the old hand writing. Would love any help with what he stole etc.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-40,305,83,L,80
Also his soon to be wife records.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON41-1-19,146,30,L,80
Cheers
Suzy W
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Looks to me as if William Fleet stole 50 sovereigns and Collins stole shirts
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the wifes is allowing smoking in dormitory
kerry
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50 Sovereigns, no wonder he got 15 years hard labor. People were sent over to Australia for a piece of bread. No wonder he was not hung.
Tough time back then.
Suzy W
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What I can make out with Sibby's conviction so far.
Stealing shirts, three convictions. Gaol Upost?
Single. ?? This offence stealing shirts 6 months for ? 3 months for breaking gla? discharged ? for clothes
William's is so hard to read. What I can make out so far.
House break in, stealing 50 sovereign caught in. 2 years for assault. Single
Suzy W
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There's some info on a William Fleet who married Sibby Collins here http://coad.neuf.fr/names.htm
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Per William Fleet's indent he stole 50 sovereigns 15 shillings and 5d. His father was Wm Dibden "I am a chance child" mother Lucy Fleet - can't read the rest of it ........something about Louisa?
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-22,230,35,L,80
Gets a mentuon on this Dibden site - see William (Fleet) Dibden http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/dibden_onename/misc-births.html/
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Wow SharnJ, you are brilliant. How on earth could you make out all that writing, I guess lots of experience.
Will keep you on the books.
Kindest of regards
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy
He was sentenced to 15 years transportation rather than imprisonment with hard labour. He spent ten months in the hulks before being transported.
Only nine years earlier stealing more than 5 shillings was a capital offence. !843 was the last year the gibbet was used. And housebreaking occured during the hours of daylight. It was burglary after sunset.
I wonder what happened to James Hunsmith (?).
I see that one of his tattoos was of an anchor. This often suggests he was at sea at some stage. You may wish to follow this up.
Ken
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I wondered about that anchor, and if there would be a sailing link?. Where to look is the next step.
Seems as if I have to track down his parents Lucy Fleet and William Dibden. No luck at this stage with birth or marriage for Lucy. But according to the link SharnJ gave me, it sounds as if they may not of married.
There were eight children between them. Good to notice the names were indeed carried down to William Fleets children as well.
He was a naughty young man. No criminal activities once he married and settled. If anything the family were strict Catholics for many years.
Kind Regards
Suzy W
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Hi Suzy
Here is a link to researching early records - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=127 . It seems they start in 1835. But it looks as if you will have to contact Kew.
Ken
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Thanks KM. Can you imagine my problem with the name "Fleet" and shipping records?
Will work on what I have at this time, would presume he was a merchant seaman before being a ploughman.
He certainly is an interesting character.
Still no response about his wife Sibby from the Ireland broad :(
All the best. And Thanks everyone for your great links and help.
Suzy W
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Does anyone know what happened to her. It seems her marriage ended as she was cut to herself in 1853
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Sibby COLLINS
Transported for stealing Shirts three convictions Gaol report middling. Stated this offence Stealing shirts 6 months for xxxxxx (possibly money) 3 months for breaking glass discharged twice for clothes Single Surgeons Report very good.
Sue
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More on Sibby COLLINS
Period of probation 6 months
Station of Gang Anson
Class 3rd 13/4/49
Offences and Sentences . Nov 27/49. Allowing smoking in the Dormitory. 1 month's hard labour (Initials) AJB(followed by abbreviation for approved)21/12/49 xxx Hobart
ToL (Ticket of Leave) 30/3/52
Cert of Freedom 29th June 1853 herself
Sue
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what about after she was cut to herself . Does anyone know where she went or if she died. thanks
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More deciphering from William FLEET's record.
I have filled out abbreviation for clarity.
Transported for housebreaking. Gaol Report Read in Preston before Hulk. Report Good Single Stated this offence. Housebreaking xxx James Keninishand (possibly ::)) stealing 50 sovereigns 15/5 -caught in gambling houses in Southampton. 2 years for assault Poaching 1 month Trespass and xxx 1 month and 6 weeks. Single
Surgeons Report Good.
Sue
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According to here -
http://portcygnet.free.fr/names.htm
"FLEET According to the 1851 Census, William Fleet lived at Lymington with his wife and son. William Fleet applied to marry the ex-convict Sabina "Sibby" Collins in 1850. They married in Hobart in 1850. Sabina Collins was tried in Co. Mayo 18 January 1848 and sentenced to 7 years for larceny. Children: William (1850), George (1853, Hobart), Richard (1855, Hobart)."
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Baptism of William Fleet at Bramshaw, Hampshire, 30 April 1820. Mother Lucy Fleet.
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=454764.0 for more on the Fleets and Dibdens
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what about after she was cut to herself . Does anyone know where she went or if she died. thanks
I am not sure what you are talking about, but perhaps it is the notation on her convict conduct record.
Cert Free 29 Jany 1853 herself. This means her Certificate of Freedom issued 29 January 1853 and it was claimed by her.
William and Sabina went to New Zealand and further children were born there. She died in 1901. Indexes are free to search online.
https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search
Funeral notice
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AG19010920.2.38.2
Debra :)
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Correct the family are in New Zealand. It is my husbands mother's family.
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William and Sibby were researched by David Coad in his book "Port Cygnet English Convicts"
The couple and their three children arrived aboard the Reindeer at Lyttleton NZ in October 1855.
They had five more children, Sabina died in 1901 and William in 1904.
M
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Interesting read about a visit to the Brickfields hiring depot where Sibby would later be charged with allowing smoking in the dormitory.
https://www.femaleconvicts.org.au/index.php/convict-institutions/brickfields#VisitingMagistratesReport
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Thanks Matthew. I have all this now. This is a old post from some time ago. Sibby was also dobbed in by her sister :o
My mother in-law was born a Fleet.
Suzy W
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Marquessate Thank you for answering my query so much usually if it says cut to self the husband has died or run away. Obviously not in this case. I am a researcher trying to find what happened to the convict women who came to Tasmania would you be able to list the children