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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: sallyduk on Thursday 27 May 10 16:01 BST (UK)
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I have searched the internet for hours but unable to find any information on 'The Queen Inn or Hotel' that was at 323 High Street, Lincoln in 1861 & 1871 when William Edwards followed by his son Henry Edwards were Inn Keepers.
Any ideas as to where to look for information or a photo of this Inn or Hotel?
Many Thanks
Sally
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Looking at the Historical Directories Site, the Post Office Directory of Lincolnshire 1868 has a Henry Edwards, Queen Commercial Inn, 323 High Street.
Tressle
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Tessle
Many thanks for this info - this is a new website for me, not seen it before and I think it will now be added to one of my favourites ;-)
Thanks again
Sally
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You can see the building in the centre/background here http://tinyurl.com/34p5n7l
It is now the HMV shop http://www.touchlincoln.com/business/list/bid/1830598
I think I was last in the Queens on 18 Sept 1968 as I can remember there was the Henry Cooper/Karl Mildenberger fight on the radio :)
I wonder what became of my companion that evening ;)
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Geoff
Many thanks - I realised it was now HMV but hadn't looked on Google Maps from the street at the building - now I see the 'Queen Hotel' sign at the top of the building!
Also, thanks for confirming the building was still a Hotel in 1968 - gosh, you have a good memory ;)
Your help is much appreciated, thanks.
Regards
Sally
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Sallyduk - yes it is a good website, I keep it bookmarked. - I can have a look next time I am in the archives to see if I can find anything but nothing coming up on Access to Archives except for one chap who gives it as his address in a deposition.
Lincolnshire Archives - BROG/1/4/3/131/2 29 Jan-12 Feb 1881 - Charles Keyworth of 323 High Street, Printer
Geoff-e - Hope it wasn't my sister who was nursing in Lincoln at that time ;D
Tressle
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Lincolnshire Archives - BROG/1/4/3/131/2 29 Jan-12 Feb 1881 - Charles Keyworth of 323 High Street, Printer
Geoff-e - Hope it wasn't my sister who was nursing in Lincoln at that time ;D
Tressle
In the 1900 directory, Chas KEYWORTH (Printer) was at 322 High St ... as it was in 1881 :)
Tressle ... there was a student nurse once (I'd forgotten all about her) but that was 1965 ;) and the Adam and Eve :D
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Hi Sally
I took the attached photograph of the Queen Hotel (HMV Shop) a couple of years ago whilst researching my Lincolnshire ancestors.
On the night of the 1851 census my Great Great Grandfather, Charles Hicks, was on duty at the Queen Hotel working as an ‘Under Ostler’ and the Inn Keeper then was William Edwards.
Alan :)
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Nice one
Keith Alan :)
There looks to be a passageway on the right - high enough perhaps to have admitted a man on horseback. Looking at an aerial view, one can see the archway led to a yard and (presumably) stables that your man would have attended http://tinyurl.com/34576cj
The 1842 map says Queen in the appropriate place.
1841 census seems to have a William EDWARDS, Publican in the same place. HO107/651-11/18/5
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Hi Geoff
You beat me to it :)
Yes it certainly would appear to have been the entrance from the street to the rear yard where the stables would have been.
I have just checked back on my family census details for 1841. My Great Great Grandfather then was shown as a ‘Male Servant’ and living at home that night in Beaumont Fee, but his son, Thomas Hicks, was working that same night as a ‘Male Servant’ at an establishment in the High Street Lincoln, no number shown. Tracing back the Enumerator’s route it most certainly appears to be the Queen Hotel and the Publican is listed as none other than a William Edwards but age given as 50, I presume the father of the William shown in 1851-71 and Grandfather of Henry as mentioned by Sally.
Alan (AKA Keith) ;D
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Alan
Many thanks for attaching the photo - it's great thanks :)
Where do I go on the internet to view the 1842 map of Lincoln you mentioned?
Geoff
Thanks for the info on the 1841 census - I hadn't found that one ;)
Thanks Again
Sally
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Where do I go on the internet to view the 1842 map of Lincoln you mentioned?
You don't. It isn't. It's in a book ;)
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Ok, what's the book called ;)
Sally
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Its on page 51 of my copy of 'Historic Town Plans of LINCOLN 1610-1920' by D R Mills & R C Wheeler Published by The Lincoln Record Society.
Alan
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Thanks Alan :)
Sally
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Happy memories! I celebrated my 21st birthday there in 1971.
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There was a marriage back in 1843, of a daughter of a William Edwards, it was announced in the below newspaper from Gale databases
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries .
The Hull Packet and East Riding Times Friday, November 24, 1843
November 21st, at Lincoln, Michael Penistan jun., grocer, to Miss Ann, second daughter of Mr. William Edwards, Queen Hotel, Lincoln.
The Queen Hotel was used by the Lincolnshire Football Association for its meetings according to the same newspaper.
Tom
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November 21st, at Lincoln, Michael Penistan jun., grocer, to Miss Ann, second daughter of Mr. William Edwards, Queen Hotel, Lincoln.
That was at St Mary le Wigford church, Lincoln, only about 50 yards south of the Queen's.
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Tom & Geoff
Thanks very much for that info - it all helps me in trying to find more about Edith Edwards (William Edwards (Snr) Granddaughter.
If I have added her to the correct family, it seems she was adopted by John & Ann Fletcher and I'm trying to find out the reason why as she seems to come from a family of about 17 children!
Regards
Sally
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My mother and father ran the Queen Hotel High St Lincoln in the 60s and I lived there through until I got married. I can tell you the Queens really rocked in the 60s and I had absolute ball there.
The bar never closed to till way passed midnight, we had foam and soda syphon parties most weekends it really was a great place to spend ones teenage years in the 60s. All the big stars stopped there could tell you a few stories of all sorts carrying ons.
Linet your 21st would have been upstairs in the Dinning Room, lovely room with own Bar. I probably danced with you ! I gate crashed all the parties.
Allan your under ostler relation would have worked right through the back where the old stables were in the car park, later converted to garages.
Geof your football match was being relayed by me (illegally) from the American Forces Network and then pumped around the hotel via tannoy system
Sally thank you for the great picture. Brought back the memories.
I think it is still standing, its massive at the back I was in room 13 (no else would go in it) I had a pair of stockings as the light pull, bet they are still hanging there.
Would love to go round the old place any news greatly appreciated.
Some one mentioned the church, the cellar was absolutely massive, stretching down the length of the carpark and many passages going off. One which was collapsed was rumored to go the the Church across the way. Also big secret this a roman well is located in the car park not far from the back door, it was filled in as was the some of the cellar.
Bill
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Geof your football match was being relayed by me (illegally) from the American Forces Network and then pumped around the hotel via tannoy system
Hello Bill, welcome to RootsChat :)
It was boxing and it was on BBC Radio 2 ;)
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Hi Bill
Yes, I remember it being a large room upstairs. It was a great night! I think my parents went to the Queen quite a lot during the 50s and 60s so would probably have known your parents. What was their surname? Mum is still alive, I will ask her if she remembers.
Lynne
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Most of the adult ages in the 1841 census are rounded uo to an even 0 or 5 so someone who was 46 will appear as 50 etc.
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Most of the adult ages in the 1841 census are rounded uo to an even 0 or 5 so someone who was 46 will appear as 50 etc.
Ages in the 1841 census were usually rounded down in accordance with the instructions to enumerators
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~somtcen/1841instructions.html
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Thanks for correction Geoff.
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My Grandfather (Alfred Sawyers) and his twin sister were born at the Queen Hotel in 1898. His father (also Alfred) ran the hotel with his wife Eliza. I remember my grandmother telling me stories of the maids leaving a downstair window unlatched so my grandfather could sneak back in late at night. She talked about the huge roasts they cooked on a Sunday and of the 'funny old man' who had the shop opposite ........one James Usher! I have a silver teapot from The Queen dated if I remember correctly about 1880's.
Of course I wish I had asked more! I also frequented the Queen in the early seventies.
We had relatives visiting from Canada about 16 years ago when it was a pizza restaurant we got to look round upstairs but sad to say if was very neglected.
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of the 'funny old man' who had the shop opposite ........one James Usher! I have a silver teapot from The Queen dated if I remember correctly about 1880's.
I think you will find that the funny old man was in Fact James Ward Usher who owned a Jewellery business at 190 High Street and who in 1927 bequeathed his art collection to the City and who the famous Usher Gallery is now named after.
Alan
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Hello! I am brand new to this site and thread but have a cousin who has done a lot of research and found this hotel, alerted me to it and here I am writing; hopefully a message will be sent to one of you.
My great, great grandfather (or perhaps it was 3 greats) was William Edwards, the innkeeper. It was either his son Henry or his grandson Henry who had another Henry in the early 1900s in Chile. I am that Henry's granddaughter. My mother's maiden name is Edwards.
I'd be interested in connecting through this site if you're a relative....
Karin
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My Grandfather (Alfred Sawyers) and his twin sister were born at the Queen Hotel in 1898. His father (also Alfred) ran the hotel with his wife Eliza. I remember my grandmother telling me stories of the maids leaving a downstair window unlatched so my grandfather could sneak back in late at night. She talked about the huge roasts they cooked on a Sunday and of the 'funny old man' who had the shop opposite ........one James Usher! I have a silver teapot from The Queen dated if I remember correctly about 1880's.
Of course I wish I had asked more! I also frequented the Queen in the early seventies.
We had relatives visiting from Canada about 16 years ago when it was a pizza restaurant we got to look round upstairs but sad to say if was very neglected.
Sounds an awful lot like the stories of one of my relatives who ran the Cornhill Hotel in the late 1890's, apparently there were several publicans who would travel the length of the High Street and visit every hostelry en route, only heading back home when they had visited every establishment. It might explain why several in that family died of alcohol related illnesses!!
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Sally, you asked me about the link between what I have and William Edwards. I'm working on that, investigating with other family members. What I do know is that my grandfather, Enrique Edwards was born in 1907 in Chile.
His father Henry was married in 1892 (to Dessy Davies). He was one of 5 sons & 8 daughters. I know a few names of the offspring of those other 13 children.
Those 14 children were the children of Henry Edwards, who married frances hall in Lincoln England.
At this point I don't have a date.
PS My grandparents moved to California in the mid 1950s. I was born in 1973.
Karin
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Those 14 children were the children of Henry Edwards, who married frances hall in Lincoln England.
At this point I don't have a date.
Married 19 Feb 1851, Lincoln St Mary le Wigford
Henry EDWARDS (son of William) to Frances HALL (dau of William)
1851 census
320 High St, Lincoln
Henry EDWARDS 26 Druggist (master), Aubourn
Frances 21 Fosdyke
Ann SCOLEY (vis,mar) 22 Farmer's wife, Fosdyke
Ellen NUTT (vis,mar) 24 Farmer's wife, Whaplode
Henry NUTT (vis) 6m Whaplode
Ann BINNS 15 Gen Servant, Yorks Markland
320 High St ... the Black Swan (pub) was 319 and the Queen Hotel was 323 (where the keeper was William EDWARDS aged 31 in 1851)
The IGI names the parents of
William EDWARDS 1819 Waddington
and
Henry EDWARDS 1825 Aubourn
as William EDWARDS and Ann ... William EDWARDS m Ann HARMSTON 1814 at Waddington.
The BlackSwan can be seen here http://tinyurl.com/6y7g4hb No.320 is the low building to its right.
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This is fantastic, Geoff! Thank you.
What is the IGI, and are you related?
I haven't done much genealogy research these past 10 years, as I was busy raising babies into children.
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The IGI is an index of birth marriage and death events listed by the LDS church which is beneficial to Family historians. Google Family Search to see what is available.
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Hi Karin
I will try and explain how I connect to the Edwards family...
On researching the 1871 census (Lincoln RG10-3370-96-59) for my GrGr Uncle John Fletcher there was an entry for a daughter called Edith Fletcher aged 7 yrs
But, on the 1881 census for Edith she now appears as Edith Edwards as an Asst for Ann White (John's re-married wife)
John Fletcher died in 1874 and he left a WILL and mentions leaving his apodpted daughter Edith Edwards 19 Guineas.
With this info myself and my 4th cousin (the 2xGr nephew of John Fletcher) were on the hunt to find more about Edith Edwards!
A birth certificate was ordered for Edith and the information on there shows Edith born in 1863 and her parents were William Edwards & Catherine Searby, William was an Inn Keeper and their address was 323 High Street, Lincoln.
William & Catherine were married in 1844.
William's parents were William Edwards & Ann Harmston (as mentioned by Geoff).
I would still like to find out more info on Edith as she appears on an Immigration list from Boston to Liverpool in 1893 - I wonder who was she visiting?
If you would like any more info please let me know.
Sally
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Greetings from California
One of you kind souls shared (through this chain, I believe) scanned copies of nine different census records that my cousin Julie Edwards shared with me. Such a treasure! We are grateful.
However, I find one bit confusing & I'm hoping that someone, at some point, will have the answer.
Census records for 1841, 1861 & 1871 all show William and Susannah Edwards as being the Innkeepr (& spouse) while there is a record from 1851 showing Susannah as a widow. However, in the 1861 & 1871 census records, William continues to age & does not appear to be deceased (i.e. age 66 in 1871).
Also, in this chain there has been discussion of William being married to an Ann Harmston. The names William and Henry seem to have been extremely popular at that time, so I wonder if there were more than one William Edwards, of the same generation. (I have seen in records that William married to Susannah had a son named William - and he's the one who married Catherine in 1844, no?
Thanks!
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Hi Karin
As far as I can see the Susannah who is a widow on the 1851 census is a different one to our Catherine Susannah who marrried William in 1844.
My 1851 census has Catherine & William living at 323 High Street, Lincoln (HO107-2105-224-3)
Catherine died about 1866.
I'm still looking for William in 1871 (what address do you have him at?) I do have his 1881 census (aged 61 - widow) before he died in 1882.
Sally
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Sorry I am having to send this to everyone on this link but I received a personal message re a lady living at the Queen in 1904 but have been unable to reply personally (something to do with too few posts?).
My grandfather (A Sawyer) at the time you mention was the landlord, we have a photograph from the archives showing his name above the door during the Royal Show in 1907. E.S/E Sawyer would be my great grandmother Eliza. I will ask my brother in law who has done more research if he can shed any light on your relative living at the Queen.
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You can post personal messages when you have made a total of 4 posts.
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Thanks!
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Dear Church Lane
Thank you for your response regarding my relative and E.S Sawyer(Eliza). I am new to this forum and was unaware about the number of postings needed to send a personal message. I am very excited that you hope to be able to help me and look forward to hearing more from you. Kind regards, BDaviesVera
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Re: 1861 - Queen Inn/Hotel - High St, Lincoln
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 11 January 11 17:57 GMT (UK) »
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My Grandfather (Alfred Sawyers) and his twin sister were born at the Queen Hotel in 1898. His father (also Alfred) ran the hotel with his wife Eliza. I remember my grandmother telling me stories of the maids leaving a downstair window unlatched so my grandfather could sneak back in late at night. She talked about the huge roasts they cooked on a Sunday and of the 'funny old man' who had the shop opposite ........one James Usher! I have a silver teapot from The Queen dated if I remember correctly about 1880's.
Of course I wish I had asked more! I also frequented the Queen in the early seventies.
We had relatives visiting from Canada about 16 years ago when it was a pizza restaurant we got to look round upstairs but sad to say if was very neglected.
Churchlane 2 It looks like we are related. Your Grandfather Alfred Sawyers is my Grandmother (Victoria's) twin brother. She married and moved to Canada (British Columbia) after WW1. She only went back to England once which was in 1953 for The Queens coronation. I visited the Queen Hotel in the late 1970's. It was interesting to see where my Grandmother was born. She passed away in July of 1978.
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Dear WestCoastBC
I have tried to send you a personal message but it says your in box is full. We are indeed related. My email address is Julie@sunnysidehouse6.freeserve.co.uk
I believe we have a photograph of Great Granddad stood outside the Queen Hotel during the Royal Show in 1907 - happy to send you a copy.
Regards
Julie
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WestCoastBC
I have tried to send you a personal message but it says your in box is full.
The PM system is not available until a person has made 2 or 3 posts on the board. If WCBC adds a couple of replies to this thread, it should then work.
:)
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I remember the Queens Hotel myself as I was born and lived in Lincoln til 1977 and indeed had my husbands works Christmas do there in the early 1970s. Came across your post today when looking at census records for Eva Ann Bilton who is a distant cousin in my Family Tree and she was indeed working for the Edwards family in 1871 as a nursemaid - Eva Ann Bilton
regards
Penny
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Thanks to Alan 7636 for the photo and the information about your great great grandfather. My great great grandfather was William Edwards, the innkeeper!