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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: cimbrio on Saturday 29 May 10 23:38 BST (UK)
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Barely an hour ago I've just found out that a distant relative of mine emigrated to America. I thought it would have been Latin America, as most Spaniards in the 19th cebntury went to Spanish-speaking countries. However, my great-grandfather's cousin Elias Ronquete Ben (b. 1856 in Noia [or Noya], Spain) emigrated to New Orleans, Louisiana.
I had no idea about this bit of my family. I've found a couple of webpages where it says he married a woman called Virginia Ackerman (I suppose of German origin), and had four children called Elías (1893-1972), Leo (b. 1894), Ramon (1896-1971) and Genevieve Cramer (1903-1992). I'd love to know more about them, if they married and had children. I'd also love to know if anyone can have a look at Elias Sr. and see if he's on any passenger list and if he was traveling withy anyone, if indeed it's the Elias in my family (just to confirm) and any other details I might learn about him.
Thanks a lot for your help!
Cimbrio :)
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Elias Ronquete - New Orleans, naturalization records 1878 and 1884; MCELROY, VIRGINIA VANDERHEYDEN. Register of Naturalizations, Second District. In L'Heritage (Saint Bernard Genealogical Society, Chalmette, LA), vol. 18:70 (April 1995), pp. 132-135 (1870-1876) and pp. 136-137 (1878-1884).
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Many US census records and some Louisiana records are at FamilySearch:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
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1880 census - 265 Royal Street, District 44, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
De Ben, Joseph A., head, 40, married, merchant, b. Spain, parents b. Spain
Ines, 32, wife, married, keeping house, b. Louisiana, father b. Spain, mother b. Louisiana
Ines, daughter, 11, at school
Salvador, son, 10, at school
Louis, son, 9, at school
Albert, son, 8, at school
Antonia, daughter, 7
Mary, daughter, 6
Edgard, son, 1
Bronquetté [Bronquetti?], Elias, nephew, 22, single, clerk in store, b. Spain, parents b. Spain
Hansom, Mary, servant, 20, single, black, b. Louisiana, parents b. Louisiana
all children b. Louisiana
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August 1874 - SS Saint Louis arrived at New Orleans from Liverpool via La Coruña, Spain and Havana, Cuba
Elias Ronguete, age 20, Spain, intend to be citizen of US, steerage
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Elias Ronquete [age 36] m. Virginia A. Ackermann [age 27], 28 January 1893, New Orleans; vol. 16, p. 567 New Orleans, Louisiana Marriage Records Index, 1831-1925. State of Louisiana, Secretary of State, Division of Archives, Records Management, and History. Vital Records Indices. Baton Rouge, LA, USA.
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Births:
Given: Elias
Surname: Ronquette Jr.
Father: Elias
Mother: Virginia Ackerman
Sex: M
Color: W
Birth Date: 11 May 1893
Volume: 100
Page: 369
Given: Leo
Surname: Ronquete
Father: Elias
Mother: Virginia Ackerman
Sex: M
Color: W
Birth Date: 19 Nov 1894
Volume: 103
Page: 1024
Given: Ramon
Surname: Ronquete
Father: Elias
Mother: Virginia Ackermann
Sex: M
Color: W
Birth Date: 01 May 1896
Volume: 107
Page: 652
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1900 census - 916 Aline Street, District 119, Ward 12, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Ronquitte, Elias, head, 45, b. July 1854, married 8 years, b. Spain, parents b. Spain, immigrated 1876, 24 years in US, clerk, can read, write and speak English, rented home
Virginia, wife, 33, b. February 1867, married 8 years, 4 children/4 living, b. Louisiana, father b. Chicago, mother b. Louisiana, no occupation
Elias, Jr., son, 7, b. May 1893
Lelo, son, 5, b. November 1894
Ramon, son, 4, b. May 1896
Geniva C., daughter, 3 months, b. February 1900
Rodrig, Elizabeth, boarder, 72, widow, b. June 1827, b. Louisiana, parents b. Louisiana, no occupation
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1930 Census Police Jury Ward 3, St Tammany, Louisiana
Ramon Rongeuete 33 Rents Home $65. Marrried at 29 yrs. Grocery.
Lydia Rongeuete 35 Married at 29 yrs.
WW1 Draft June 1917
Name: Raymon Ronquette Birth Date: 1 May 1896 New Orleans State: Louisiana.
Single. Occupation:- Clerk. Looks like Woodword Wight & Co.
Medium Height. Blue Eyes. Black Hair. Not disabled.
SSDI Record
Name: Ramon Ronquete Born 1st May 1896 and died May 1971
Last Residence: 70433 Covington, Saint Tammany, Louisiana.
WW1 Draft. June 1917
Name: Leo Ronquete 19 Nov 1894
City: New Orleans
State: Louisiana
Birthplace: Louisiana. Elevator Tendet at Hotel. Single.
SSDI Record
Name: Elias Ronquete Born: 11 May 1893 Died: 29 Jan 1972
Last Residence: 70433 Covington, Saint Tammany, Louisiana.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08sh/
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1920 Census Police Jury Ward 3, St Tammany, Louisiana
Ellis Ronguet 26 Caretaker
Virginia Ronguet 50 No Occupation
Genevieve Ronguet 19 No Occupation
New Orleans - Louisiana Death.
Name: Virginia Ackerman Ronquete Age: 67 yrs
Death Date: 19 Oct 1932
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1930 census - 8015 Panala? Street, District 265, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Ronquette, Genevieve, boarder, 24, single, b. Louisiana, father b. Spain, mother b. Louisiana, sales lady, music
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1920 census - 1519 Thalia Street, District 18, Ward 2, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Rouquette [transcribed as Pouquette], Ramon, roomer, 23, single, b. Louisiana, father b. Spain, mother b. Louisiana, clerk
Rouquette [transcribed as Pouquette], Leo, roomer, 25, single, b. Louisiana, father b. Spain, mother b. Louisiana, clerk
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1910 census - 1716 Marengo Street, District 201, Ward 12, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana [transcribed as Rogness]
Ronquete, Elias, head, 53, married 18 years, b. Louisiana, father b. Illinois, mother b. Louisiana, clerk billiard hall, rented home
Virginia, wife, 39, married 18 years, 4 children/4 living, b. Louisiana, parents b. Louisiana, no occupation
Elias, Jr., son, 17, messenger illegible, attended school
Leo, son, 15, attended school
Ramon, son, 14, attended school
Geneveve, daughter, 10, attended school
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WWI draft registration, June 1917, New Orleans
Elias Ronquete, 24, Mandeville, St. Tamany Parish, Louisiana, born 11 May 1893 in New Orleans, natural born citizen, laborer on farm, Brothers near Helenburg, Louisiana, single, no dependents, caucasian, no prior military service, no exemption claimed, small, medium build, blue eyes, black hair, no defects
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Name: Genevieve C. Ronquete
SSN: 434-01-4327
Last Residence: 70115 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States of America
Born: 17 Feb 1903
Died: 25 Mar 1992
SSN issued: Louisiana (Before 1951)
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Passport Application:-
Elias Ronquete. Born Naya Provenica. Corana. Spain. 20 July 1856.
Naturalized Citizen of the United States 17 May 1881.
Age 24 years. 5 Feet 7 ins. Forehead:- Oval. Eyes:- Grey Nose:- Large. Mouth:- Medium. Chin:- Medium. Hair:- Dark. Complexion:- Fair. Face:- Long - Moustached ?
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1880 census - District 5, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Harris, Henry, Jr., father, 40, accountant, b. Louisiana, parents b. England
Matilda, wife, 23, keeps house, b. Louisiana, parents b. Louisiana
Eckerman, Virginia, 14, step-daughter, at home, b. Louisiana, father b. Illinois, mother b. Louisiana
Harris, Leona, daughter, 4, b. Louisiana
Harris, Isidor, son, 1, b. Louisiana
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New Orleans, Louisiana Birth Index
Given: Virginia
Surname: Ackerman
Father: Louis
Mother: Victorine Hermana
Sex: F
Color: W
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1866
Volume: 40
Page: 158
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1870 census - Ward 5, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Ackerman, Louis, 39, shoemaker, b. Switzerland
Ackerman, Verana, 27, keeps house, born, Switzerland
Could these be Virginia’s parents?? If so, she was not with them in 1870. Maybe she was adopted by someone else?
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A Ramon Ronquete married Lydia M Potier on October 30, 1923 in New Orleans.
Lydia daughter of (Theodore) Raoul Potier born January 3, 1864 and who married twice, first to Marie Emilie Tournade on August 16, 1881 in New Orleans. She died March 21, 1891. However, looking back at the 1930 census the age would be out for Lydia and she would have been another 10 years older !! Yet I cannot see another Ramon and Lydia to fit the bill. So one to bear in mind for the moment. ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08si/
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Erato & Dettori28, thanks ever so much for your fantastic help! This is truly amazing, that in 24 hours or less I've learnt so much about this branch of the family.
Elías Ronquete Sr. was indeed born in 1856 in Noia, in the province of La Coruña, Spain. His parents were Casimiro Ronquete and Manuela de Ben (whose brother José was the one Elías went to live with in New Orleans); Casimiro was the head of the telegraph office in Noia, a small fishing town on the Galician coast. They had four children: Dolores (Elias's sister, who died of TB in 1878), Elías, Isidoro (also died of TB in 1879) and Agapito, who's descendants still live in the area today.
Don't worry about finding out about Lydia's parents... But I'd love to find out if she and Ramón had any children, because if they didn't it seems unlikely that there are any living descendants of the Ronquetes in Louisiana. Elías Jr. died in 1972, single, iof a heart attack after being rushed to hospital after an accidental gunshot in his leg. He was survived by his sister, Miss Genevieve Ronquete (I think her middle name might be Carmen).
I'd love to find out when Elías Sr. passed away, is it possible to find that out?
Thanks again for your enormous help and kindness.
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Elias Ronquete was described as a nephew on the 1880 Census for Joseph De Ben and Ines.
Just incase it helps you unravel a little more.
Joseph Jose Antonio DeBen 25 Nov 1839 Spain and Maria Inez Fernandez 21 Feb 1847
in New Orleans, Louisiana.
1870 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana
Jose Ant Deben 30 Retail Dealer in Tob
Ines Deben 21
Mary Ines Deben 1
Adeline Allison 15 Domestic Servant
Marie Pierre 24 Domestic Servant
The nearest we have for the death of Elias Snr is between 1910 - 1920, he does not appear to be listed in Louisiana Death Records.
If that is Ramon and Lydia and 1885 was the true birth date perhaps there were no children !!
The only suggestion maybe to try and contact a library for further information or perhaps ask a RAOGK volunteer in Orleans to give direction on where to go next.
http://www.raogk.org/louisian.htm
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Since Joseph A De Ben was a Merchant, could this be him on his travels ? ???
New York Passenger List
Name: Joseph A De Ben
Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1878
Birth Year: abt 1840
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race/Nationality: French
Place of Origin: France
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland and Le Havre, France
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: State of Pennsylvania
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US Passport Application:- 3rd May 1878
Joseph A De Ben born in Spain 25 Oct 1839. Naturalized Citizen of USA.
Second District Court. Parish of Orleans. Sept 12th 1872.
If this is your Jose and you would like a copy of this with signature etc., Please send me a personal message with your e-mail address and I will forward for you. ;D
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US Civil War Soldiers 1861 - 1865
Name: Jose MA. DeBen
Side: Confederate
Regiment State:- Louisiana
Regiment Name: 5 Regiment European Brigade (Spanish Regiment), Louisiana Militia.
Regiment Name Expanded: 5th Regiment, European Brigade, Louisiana Militia (Spanish Regiment)
Company: 2
Rank In: Private
Rank Out: Private
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Dettori, thanks once again for your thorough research.
Are the dates on your second-to-last post birthdates? María Inés was born in New Orleans I see, but I imagine her paternal family came from Spain too.
I don't think José was French, it must be a mistake. Next week I'm going to the church archives in Santiago de Compostela and I'll try and find his birth certificate. His sister Manuela, Elias's mother, was married in Noia in 1855, implying she came from there, and so would her brother I imagine. Plus, de Ben is a fairly common surname in the area and I have her and José's parents as Carlos Mariano de Ben and Cipriana Martínez.
Do you know when José and Inés may have married?
Thanks!
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New Orleans City Directory 1890 - 1891
Name: Joseph A. Deben
Location 1: 27 street Charles. Location 2: 195 Royal
Occupation: cigars
Year: 1890
City: New Orleans State: LA
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I got the document Dettori, thank you very much!
This is simply wonderful. I'll no doubt surprise my family when I tell them about the de Ben family. Is there any way of finding out about MAría Ines's parents, and when she and José de Ben passed away?
It's so sad to think that Elia's mother Manuela, who died in 1900, probably never saw her son again after he left for America. Maybe her brother visited on one of his trips to Europe (the area of Noya was very commercial and many foreigners settled there, where commerce was king). In fact the surname Ronquete isn't even Spanmish originally, but our common ancestor settled there in the late 18th century.
As for de Ben, it's a Galician surname which means "of Good"; rather nice I think :)
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Nothing in Louisiana Marriages 1816-1906 that I can see for him. Birth of first child looks to be 1869.
Sometimes the dates on marriage and immigration can vary - according to the 1900 Census which gives this information. He married in 1874 but the chidren's dates of birth would'nt confirm that.
1900 Census New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans, Louisiana
Joseph Debeu 61 May 1839. Married 26 yrs. Immigrated 1860. Naturalized. Dealer of Cigars and Tobacco.
Ines Debeu 45 Oct 1854
Louis Debeu 27 Sept 1872 Salesman of Cigars and Tobacco
Albert Debeu 25 Feb 1875 Salesman of Cigars and Tobacco
Antonia Debeu 22 Oct 1877
Marie Dynoodt 21 Daughter. May 1879
George Dynoodt 25 Son-In-Law. May 1874
Neta Dynoodt 2 April 1898
Lidia Dynoodt 1 June 1898 (must be an error)
Joseph Dynoodt 10 months July 1899
Lalie Jackson 38 Servant
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This is 1910 Census and he is still going strong but I don't think I can see him after this at the moment. Year of immigration on here is 1855
1910 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana
Joseph Deben 70 Inez Deben 60
Antonia Deben 32 Anita Deben 21
Edward Deben 19 Salvader Deben 17
Albert Deben 36 Son Elizabeth Deben 24 Daughter-In-Law
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Have found anc.try tree with this info, so will post incase it helps you to verify all the bits and pieces we have found. It looks as if Salvador could come from the area you mentioned earlier ?
Salvador Arguelles Fernandez - Birth Dec 1796 in Province, Galicia, Spain. Died
31 Jul 1884 in Orleans Parish, Louisiana, United States.
Marriage to Caroline Baldwin New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana. 19 Dec 1833
1850 Census New Orleans Municipality 1 Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana.
Salvador Fernandez 52 Caroline Fernandez 40
Emile Fernandez 16 Louisa Fernandez 14 Caroline Fernandez 11
Parfarte Fernandez 9 Delphine Fernandez 5 Forey Fernandez 3 Salvador Fernandez 8
Emilie Fernandez 1 Jose Jepe Fernandez 25
Jose Guade 45
1860 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana Image just about unreadable.
Salvador Fernandez 62 Caroline Fernandez 49
Caroline Fernandez 19
Parfaite Fernandez 17 Salvador Fernandez 16 Delphine Fernandez 14
Ines Fernandez 12 Emilie Fernandez 10
Jno Fernandez 8
Antonia 40
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Can't see him in 1870 yet but this is 1880 Census New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
he is widowed here.
S. Fernandez 84 Widowed
Louise Larose 40 Daughter
Caroline Fernandez 38
Delphine Fernandez 29
Emilie Fernandez 26
Caroline Larose 17 Grand-Daughter
Emile Larose 16 Frand-Son
John Fernandez 27
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New Orleans - Louisiana Death Record.
Name: Salvador Fernandez Age: 87 yrs Death Date: 31 Jul 1884
Page: 707 Volume: 85
New Orleans Louisiana Death Record
Name: Caroline Fernandez Age: 51 yrs Death Date: 1 Dec 1860
Page: 272 Volume: 21
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Amazing, so many names and dates to digest!
I have to write a 20-page paper for tomorrow, so that's going to keep me busy, but when I've written all the information you've sent me down I'll post a new message.
Thanks once again Dettori!
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Your most welcome. Will leave you to digest and verify. Happy Reading. ;D
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New Orleans Louisiana Death Record
Name: Joseph A. DeBen Age: 78 yrs Death Date: 3 May 1918
Page: 128 Volume: 172
New Orleans Louisiana Death Record
Name: Inez Fernandez DeBen Age: 81 yrs Death Date: 25 Jan 1928
Page: 1664 Volume: 195
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Thanks a lot Dettori, and thanks for the documents you've sent, I'll try to print them at home next week.
I'm amazed, I think there might not be any living Ronquetes in New Orleans, but I wonder if there are any De Bens around? One of the daughters I see married a man called George Dynoodt...
I'm going to try and find in the churhc arcihves the birth entry of Salvador Fernández and where his family comes from. I've found that Caroline Baldwin's maternal family are Genoese and French possibly. Fernandez is such a common name however.
I wonder if they know in Noya about their compatriots who fought in the US Civil War!
If you find anything else at all I'd love to find out more :)
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Ah !! Got you hooked now ;)
1910 Census New Orleans Ward 15, Orleans, Louisiana
George J Degroodt 38 Born Louisiana Marriage 1. 13 yrs. Salesman - Grain.
Marie Degroodt 34
Anna Degroodt 12 Lydia Degroodt 11
Joseph Degroodt 9 Yvonne Degroodt 7
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1920 New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana
George Deynoodty 47 Superintendant Cemetery
Marie Deynoodty 43
Anita Deynoodty 21
Joseph Deynoodty 19 Office Manager Cemetery
Yvonne Deynoodty 16
Mignon Deynoodty 7
Louisiana Statewide Death Index Both on the same day ???
Name: George J. Deynoodt
Death Date: 10 Jul 1921
Estimated birth year: 1877
Age: 44 years
Parish: Tangipahoa
Certificate Number: 7180
Volume: 14 [/i]
Name: Marie Deynoodt
Death Date: 10 Jul 1921
Estimated birth year: 1877
Age: 44 years
Parish: Tangipahoa
Certificate Number: 7180
Volume: 14
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The parents of George appear to be Belgium
Joseph Marie Jean Francois Deynoodt 1824 in Gent, Oost-Vlaanderen, Belgium. Died 22 Dec 1885 in New Orleans, Jefferson, Louisiana
Married to Marie Eugenie SOLIDELLE Legardeur deTilly born 8 Mar 1829
in Louisiana. Died 4 Feb 1903. Perhaps you maybe able to google more information but it looks as if they are:-
NEW ORLEANS CIGAR MAKERS IN 19TH CENTURY.
1880 Saint Charles, Louisiana
Joseph Deynoodt 56 Planter
Solidelle Deynoodt 52
Solidelle Deynoodt 20 Jeanne Deynoodt 19
Lydia Deynoodt 18 Marguerite Deynoodt 16 Anna Deynoodt 14
Corinne Deynoodt 11 George Deynoodt 8
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Marie Ines Deben born 4 Nov 1868 in New Orleans, Louisiana. Married Harry J Charbonnet born 1860 died 29 Jun 1904 in New Orleans, Louisiana. Remarries Stephen Charles Escoffier 21 Oct 1905. Stephen died 14 Mar 1916 in New Orleans, Louisiana. Marie died 29 Oct 1910 in New Orleans, Louisiana.The Charbonnet line starts in France 1661 and seems to arrive in Louisiana about 1750 ish)
1910 Census New Orleans Ward 7, Orleans, Louisiana
Steve C Escoffier 48 Born louisiana. Real Estate Agent.
Ines Escoffier 38 Had 6 children annd 6 survive
Lester Escoffier 3
Irabelle Charbonnet 20
Alice Charbonnet 19
Stella Charbonnet 17
Irwin Charbonnet 15
Gilbert Charbonnet 12
SSDI
Name: Henry Charbonnet Age: 43 yrs Death Date: 29 Jun 1904
Page: 6 Volume: 133
Louisiana City Directory 1890-1891
Name: Henry J. Charbonnet Location 2: 207 1/2 Bourbon
Business Name: R. M. Ong. Occupation: clerk
Year: 1890 City: New Orleans
New Orleans, Louisiana Death Index.
Name: Ines Marie DeBen Age: 40 yrs
Death Date: 29 Oct 1910
Page: 767 Volume: 150
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Salvadore Deben seems to go under Jean Salvador DeBen.
1910 Census New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans, Louisiana.
J S Deben 40 Married 12 years. Manager of Tobacco Company.
Marie Deben 36 Had 5 children and 5 survive.
Hubert Deben 10
Carman Deben 8
Milton Deben 7
Preston Deben 13
Normana Deben 11 months
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Albert appears to be Albert Antonio Stanislaus deBen Born 2 Feb 1873
in New Orleans, Louisiana. Died Jun 1976 in New Orleans, Louisiana.
SSDI Record
Name: Albert Deben Sr.
Last Residence: 70119 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana.
Born: 2 Feb 1873 Died: Jun 1976
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1920 for Jean Salvador Deben New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans, Louisiana
Quite difficult to decipher this one
John S Deben 49 ......... Tobacco
Marie L Deben 42
Hubert E Deben 19 Milton J Deben 16
Garman M Deben 18 Creston H Deben 13
Norman J Deben 10 John S G Deben 6
Placett Pazile 80 Mother-In-Law. Born France.Widow
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1930 Census New Orleans, Louisiana.
John S Deben 57 Owns own home $15,000. W.S. Merchant Tobacco.
Marie L Deben 54
Preston H Deben 23 Salesman Tobacco
Norman J Deben 20 Salesman Tobacco
John A Deben 17
Lester L Escoffier 23 Nephew. Sisters son from 2nd marriage. Salesman. Tobacco.
Ella Rad 30 Servant
SSDI Record
Name: John Deben
Born: 3 Jan 1913
Died: Feb 1975
SSDI Record
Name: P. Deben This is Preston/Creston
Last Residence: 70125 New Orleans, Louisiana,
Born: 3 Nov 1906
Died: Dec 1974
New Orleans Birth Record
Given: Jean Salvadore
Surname: DeBen
Father: Joseph A.
Mother: Snees Fernandez
Sex: M Birth Date: 02 Sep 1870
Volume: 55
Page: 711
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SSDI Record
Norman DuBen
Last Residence: 70118 New Orleans, Louisiana, United States of America
Born: 28 Apr 1909 Died: Jan 1980
Norman above, the son of Jean Salvador Deben had a son Norman J Deben Jnr - 22 Jan 1938 who married Kathleen Rouse born 23 Jan 1941
in New Orleans, LA an died 21 Oct 2001 in LA.
SSDI Record for Norman J
Name: Norman J. Deben Jr.
Last Residence: 70118 New Orleans, Louisiana.
Born: 22 Jan 1938 Died: 25 Sep 2003
SSDI Record for Kathleen
Name: Kathleen R. Deben
Born: 23 Jan 1941 Died: 21 Oct 2001
This couple had 2 daughters.
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New Orleans Birth Record
Given: Louis Joseph
Surname: DeBen
Father: J. A.
Mother: Ines Fernandez
Sex: M
Birth Date: 06 Sep 1871
Volume: 59
Page: 511
New Orleans Death Record
Name: Louis J. DeBen
Age: 50 yrs
Death Date: 2 Dec 1921
Page: 292
Volume: 183
This 1920 is Louis J Deben New Orleans Ward 6, Louisiana
Louis J De Ben 49 Salesman Cigars
Louise De Ben 34
Clifford De Ben 9
Goleta De Ben 7 daughter
Alma De Ben 1 11/12
Louis Dunan (Could be Demare) 38 Brother In Law
Lawrence Dunan (Could be Demare) 32 Brother -In-Law
Mary Coleman 65 Cook - Private
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New Orlean Directory 1890 - 1891
Name: Louis J. Deben Location 2: 195 Royal
Business Name: J. A. DeBen Occupation: clerk
Year: 1890 City: New Orleans State: LA
Name: Louis J. Deben Location 2: 195 Royal
Business Name: J. A. DeBen Occupation: clerk
Year: 1891 City: New Orleans State: LA
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SSDI Death Index.
Son of Louis J Deben above.
Name: Clifford Deben
Born: 2 Apr 1911
Died: Nov 1977 Last Residence: 70003 Metairie, Jefferson, Louisiana.
1930 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
After the death of Louis Joseph in 1921
Louise De Ben 42 Widow
Clifford De Ben 19 Margin Clerk. Cotton Exchange
Lolita De Ben 16 Book Keeper. Leather.
Alma De Ben 12
Rachel Saenger 38 Lodger. Operator Telephone.
Mary J Coleman 72 Cook
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Dettori, thanks so much for your precious help. I was out meeting some friends but every time I open my mail there's more and great news!
That piece about the death of Mary & George Degroodt dying on the same day is veeeery fishy, either it's a mistake, or.. would sound like they were killed... murder or accident... Hmmm. I'll try to see what "the little grey cells" tell me.
I'm for the night, will try to find out more about them.
Thanks once again!
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Hello Cimbrio.
Pleased to have been of some help. Quite interesting families and nationalities. Surely alot more to find out - the family Duben were obviously into cigars and tobacco and had what looks to be their own company. So many of the male offspring were tobacco salesmen. This could also have brought about the connection to the Deynoodt family who seem to be in the same business. It depends how deeply you want to investigate but I am sure you could find wills of the families and gain alot more info.
(Both families are transcribed with a variation of spellings - many more Duben seem to be in Louisiana - might there be another family connection ???)
Regards. ;D
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I'm certainly going to try to trace living descendants of the De Ben/Deben/Duben today in the area. With so many children I should imagine so.
I'm about to go to class now, but I'm taking the rootschat webpage open to have a look at if the class gets too boring ;D
I was wondering, is it possible to know the maiden name of (Jean/Juan) Salvador De Ben's wife Marie/Mary, and when they got married?
Best regards Dettori28! Thanks!
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1920 for Jean Salvador Deben New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans, Louisiana
Quite difficult to decipher this one
John S Deben 49 ......... Tobacco
Marie L Deben 42
Hubert E Deben 19 Milton J Deben 16
Garman M Deben 18 Creston H Deben 13
Norman J Deben 10 John S G Deben 6
Placett Pazile 80 Mother-In-Law. Born France.[/i]Widow
This must be Marie's Mother - the trouble is the image has been over written so both names could be anything - going to be difficult to find them earlier !!
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Milton J Deben son of Jean Salvador could be John M Deben in this 1930 Census New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
John M Deben 27 Married at 25yrs. Salesman for Tobacco Company
Alice M Deben 24 Married at 22 yrs.
John M Deben 16 April 1929 - 3 April 2000 - SSDI Record below:
Name: John M. Deben
Last Residence: 70072 Marrero, Jefferson, Louisiana.
Born: 16 Apr 1929
Died: 3 Apr 2000
Amended
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Pretty sure this is Alica Margarete Blessey and her family, wife of the above. Blossey is a transcription error
1920 New Orleans Ward 14, Orleans, Louisiana
H Fred Blossey 49 Piano Tuner. Born Louisiana
Augusta Blossey 46 (Augusta Carline Seybold
Elfreida Blossey 22
Edna Blossey 17
Alice Blossey 14
Fred Blossey 11
Anna Blossey 8
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Haha Dettori28! You're hooked as well!
I'm trying to finish an essay I've got to give in before tomorrow evening, but today I transcribed all the info onto my family tree. Can you believe it's even inspired me to write a short story about it all? However, in my story the young immigrant turns up discontent with his life in New Orleans, and chooses to return home, leaving practically everything behind in America. OK, all fantasy, but based on fact!
Haven't found the marriage between Salvador and Marie. I'm going to write a post on my blog, looking for living descendants of the De Ben family today.
Am I right, it's impossible to find out when Elías Sr passed away between 1910 and 1920?
Thanks so much for your help!
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How can you be so sur eit's her, what makes you thinl she's a Blossey? Have you found the marriage certificate?
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SSDI Record
Name: Alice M. Deben
Last Residence: 70118 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana.
Born: 19 Nov 1905 Died: 25 Aug 1998
Had a daughter Sallie Ann de Ben 29 Jul 1936 - New Orleans who died 14 Nov 2008 - Ruston, Lincoln, LA Sending the obituary for this one - may give you some contacts ;)
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No cannot find any death records, other than those I've already posted. RAOGK sometimes have volunteers who can help, one on this link for Orleans says "I am very willing to offer consultation and direction to those seeking genealogical / historical info in this area"
http://www.raogk.org/louisian.htm
Could try looking up the nearest library and e-mail to see if they will do you a "look-up". According to reply 37, the 1910 Census said they had been married 12 years - so looks to be 1898
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Sounds like it's her then.
It's getting late and tomorrow's my last day of class, YEAY!!!!
I'll write the blog post tomorrow. Will try to find out more about the De Bens on Google.
Thank you so very much Dettori28, you're a treasure!
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Your most welcome - long holiday coming up then ;)
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Could be a contact e-mail address here for the Deynoodt line. Seems to have been researching for a few years.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08sz/
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Details of Death.
The Times Picayune July 11, 1921
DEYNOODT - accidently killed at Hammond Louisiana on Sunday, July
10th, 1921, at 9 o'clock a.m., aged 44 years 11 months, Mrs George J
NEYNOODT (nee Marie deBen), a native of this city.
The relatives, friends and acquaintances of the family, also those of
her son in law Dr J.B. LAROSE, are respectfully invited to attend the
funeral which will take place this Monday, July 11th, 1921, at 4:30
o'clock P. M. from the late residence of the deceased, No. 3102
Esplanade Avenue corner Lopes.
Interment in St. Louis Cemetery No. 3 Esplanade Avenue.
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The son-in-law named in the above text.
1930 Census New Orleans, Louisiana
J Brone Larose 43 Physician. Specialist
Lydia Larose 31 This must be Lydia Deynoodt
J Bronnie Larose 5
Joy M Larose 4
Belle Larose 2
Deywood Larose 8 months
Emma Black 62 Servant
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Just saw it! Amazing!
I'm trying to finish most of the essay, but I'll try to spend a few minutes tonight re-reading the messages and trying to fill in the gaps in the tree. On Thursday Im going to the archives and I'll find out there José de Ben's parents and grandparents came from and what their names were.
Thanks Dettori28!
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Saw the blog - hope you get a response. ;D
1920 New Orleans Ward 12, Louisiana.
James Larose 33 Doctor
Lydia Larose 21
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SSDI Record
Name: Lydia Larose
Last Residence: 70124 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana.
Born: 22 Dec 1898
Died: Apr 1983
SSDI Record
James Larose
Last Residence: 70124 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana.
Born: 12 Jul 1886
Died: Jul 1970
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1900 Census New Orleans Ward 11, Louisiana
James O Larose 64 Father born France Mother Louisiana. Married 1872
Adele D Larose 54 Father and Mother Born Louisiana
Adeline Larose 25
Louis G Larose 23 Grocer
Alfred A Larose 20 Salesman Spices
Henry G Larose 19 Shipping Cler - Coffee
J Brown Larose 13
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1880 Census New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
James O. La Rose 44 Merchant
Adele La Rose 34 Parents born St Domingo.
Adeline La Rose 7
Louis La Rose 3
Alfred La Rose 9M
Saline Watigny 15
Felcid Du Puy 82 Female - St Domingo. Widowed.
Elizabeth Layette 72 Servant
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1860 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Louisiana
L R Larose 28
Louise Larose 24
Vve J Larose 55 Female born Louisiana
J O Larose 24
J A Larose 23
M L Larose 17
No relationships given but I suspect the Larose are all siblings and Vve is the Mother - Father is missing on this but should be born France if I can find him.
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Marie Deynoodt- eldest daughter of Joseph Deynoodt married to Judge Henry Renshaw.
Henry Renshaw, Judge of the First City Court in New Orleans, was born in March 14, 1845, from the marriage of Henry Renshaw with Miss Eliza Ann Rebecca White. Henry Renshaw (Sr.) was born in Philadelphia, Pa., Sept. 22, 1812, and in early manhood went to New Orleans to make it his home and became one of its prominent merchants.The mother of Judge Renshaw was a native of Louisiana, born at Lake Concordia, March 21, 1819. Henry Renshaw, was educated in New Orleans, and at Pass Christian, Miss., and at the Belmont academy, Nelson county, Va. He read law in New Orleans in the office of Clarke & Bayne, a firm of lawyers then enjoying an extensive practice. In Nov 1866, he was admitted to practice by the Supreme Court of Louisiana, but continued the course of study at the Law Department of the University of Louisiana, now Tulane University, where
he graduated in March, 1867. He became the partner of the gentlemen in whose office he had been a law student. In 1905 he was appointed by Gov. Newton C. Blanchard as judge to fill a vacancy on the bench of the First City Court in New Orleans. He was elected to succeed himself in this office in 1908, and again in 1912. He acceptably served as a member of the court and won the reputation of an able jurist.Dec. 20, 1876, Judge Renshaw married Marie Eugenie Deynoodt, a native of New Orleans, and eldest daughter born from the marriage of Joseph
Deynoodt with Miss Solidelle Le Gardeur de Tilly, a native of New Orleans.
Joseph Deynoodt was born in Ghent, Belgium, and was for some time Belgian
consul in New Orleans, but afterwards engaged in sugar culture in Louisiana. Judge Renshaw was a member of the Louisiana Historical society, and manifests great interest in the work to which that society was devoted. Papers from his pen appear in the publications of that society. He was possessed with literary tastes and and the local press had published compositions by him in prose and verse. In religion he was a Roman Catholic. He was a member of the Catholic Alumni Sodality.
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1900 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana
Henry Renshaw 55 Lawyer
Marie Renshaw 44 Married 1876. Had 13 children and 11 survive
Marie Renshaw 20
Edmond E Renshaw 19 Yvonne Renshaw 18
Yolande Renshaw 16 Margerite Renshaw 15
Donald Renshaw 11 Dagma Renshaw 9
Gladys Renshaw 6 Solidelle Renshaw 5
Mildred Renshaw 3 William Renshaw 8 months
Eliza Renshaw 81 Mother. Widow
Solidelle Legardeur/ Deynoodt Mother-In-Law. Widow
Solidelle Deynoodt 40 Boarder
Jeanne Deynoodt 39 Boarder
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1910 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana
Henry Renshaw 64 Widowed. Civil Judge
Evan Renshaw 29 Lavone Renshaw 27
Yolande Renshaw 26 Marguerite Renshaw 25
Donald Renshaw 20 Dagmar Renshaw 19
Gladys Renshaw 17 Solidelle Renshaw 15
Mildred Renshaw 13 William Renshaw 9
Soledelle Degroodt 49 Sister-In-Law
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1920 Census New Orleans Ward 6, Louisiana.
Henry Renshaw 74 Judge First City Court.
Yemne Renshaw 34 Librarian Assistant.
Yolande Renshaw 32
Evan Renshaw 35 .... Insurance
E J Lebrehn 28 Daughter. Widow. Teacher at High School
Edmund J Lebrehn 6
Marguerit L Renshaw 30 Librarian Assistant
Gladys R Renshaw 27 Teacher at University
Mildred Renshaw 23 Teacher at High School
Solidelle Deynordt 60 Librarian. Public Library
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Dettori, you're a professional genealogist, you're going up all branches :D
I'm starting to put the bits and bobs of the infor we've got so far in the tree. I imagine with so many living descendants someone will find the thread or the blog and contact us!
I'm going to try and find some more dates on familysearch, see if there's any luck!
Thanks again!
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Remember reply 36
1910 Census New Orleans Ward 7, Orleans, Louisiana
Steve C Escoffier 48 Born louisiana. Real Estate Agent.
Ines Escoffier 38 Had 6 children annd 6 survive
Lester Escoffier 3
Irabelle Charbonnet 20
Alice Charbonnet 19
Stella Charbonnet 17
Irwin Charbonnet 15
Gilbert Charbonnet 12
Not sure if this would be of interest to you but your research touched the tips of the family above. This family are the subject of enquiries on this thread:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,471601.0.html
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Thanks Sandra, I'm going to write a post on the other thread, see if the other user is interested, although I know very little really...
Thanks for keeping an eye open, I've actually found my blood-relationship with the deBens too!
Best regards!
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Hope your having a relaxing break from study.
If you need any other info, no problem, do come back to me.
Regards.
Sandra
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Hello Cimbrio
Think we have completed on Ronquete have we not ?
If you go to the original post you made and mark Completed in the subject line. We can always come back to it if something new turns up.
Regards
Sandra
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Hello all,
I've still got a few more doubts, although the Ronquete side seems to come to an abrupt end with the childless deaths of the four Ronquete children born in New Orleans. However I'd like to know about their mother, Virginia A. Ackerman; she seems to have been born in Feb. 1867 in Louisiana; her mother was from Louisiana but the father is listed as being from Illinois I think. I haven't been able to find her parents name nor her date of death.
As for her son Ramon (1896-1971), married Lydia Potier, can we safely assume they remained childless?
Can anyone help?
Thank you so much!
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As for her son Ramon (1896-1971), married Lydia Potier, can we safely assume they remained childless?
Can anyone help?
Thank you so much!
We could'nt really assume that they had no children, we only know that in reply 6 referring to 1930 Census, they had only been married a few years.
Perhaps if you contact RAOGK volunteer in St Tammy and see if they can locate the Obituary for Ramon who died May 1971 then that may give details of any living relatives. They may also be able to help you with the marriage record for the couple or Tombstone photograph. A couple of options which may give further information.
http://www.raogk.com/louisian.htm
Regards
Sandra
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Hello all,
I've still got a few more doubts, although the Ronquete side seems to come to an abrupt end with the childless deaths of the four Ronquete children born in New Orleans. However I'd like to know about their mother, Virginia A. Ackerman; she seems to have been born in Feb. 1867 in Louisiana; her mother was from Louisiana but the father is listed as being from Illinois I think. I haven't been able to find her parents name nor her date of death.
Can anyone help?
Thank you so much!
Just reading through the thread, it would appear Erato in reply 13 gives the birth of Virginia and her parents names. Erato also replied in 13/14/15 with what details were available for a possible scenerio for the Ackerman families. Census records can be a little "sketchy" back then but there does'nt but seem any other information to help. There are a couple of RAOGK volunteers in Orleans, perhaps they may be able to help you further.
New Orleans, Louisiana Birth Index
Given: Virginia
Surname: Ackerman
Father: Louis
Mother: Victorine Hermana
Sex: F
Color: W
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1866
Volume: 40
Page: 158
Regards Sandra ;)
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Thank you very much Sandra!
I must have missed the other post when I re-read all of them yesterday.
Thank you for the tips, I'm going to check the website and see what I can come up with.
Just one question, on Virginia's information you've posted, on the mother's name, would Victorine Hermana mean Hermana is Victorine's maiden name, or middle name? I'd like to trace back the Ackerman line (though not related to me in fact), to find out where they came from originally (I presume a German-speaking country).
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Hermana could be either according to what I looked up - I tried searching as a surname but found nothing :(
I looked up those surnames as well because if that is Virginia on the 1880 Census she was Eckerman and that would indicate "Sweden"
Surprisingly Ackerman is "English" if you read this
http://www.rootschat.com/links/09kh/
Confusing ::)
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Yes, it is rather confusing...
I've tried to find out more about her parents but nothing; Louis Ackerman (or Eckerman) was from Illinois, but his wife Victorine was from Louisiana; I presume that since Virginia was born in Louisiana, her parents married there.
There is this older post about Virginia (it might not be her though):
1880 census - District 5, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Harris, Henry, Jr., father, 40, accountant, b. Louisiana, parents b. England
Matilda, wife, 23, keeps house, b. Louisiana, parents b. Louisiana
Eckerman, Virginia, 14, step-daughter, at home, b. Louisiana, father b. Illinois, mother b. Louisiana
Harris, Leona, daughter, 4, b. Louisiana
Harris, Isidor, son, 1, b. Louisiana
However, Henry Harris is not her father but step-father. As Matilda is positively NOT her mother, I can only presume Virginia's father died, then her mother remarried Henry Harris and when she died he married Matilda listed above. Is there any way of proving this?
(PS: The Ackermans aren't directly related to me, just Virginia's children and husband, I don't want you Sandra to waste your time on this if you don't want to; you and the other users have been terribly helpful so far!)
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I think Erato would do a very detailed search on Virginia at the time. I also went through the Census records searching trying to unravel the mystery at the time and today have spent odd sessions but still got no further forward. Sad as it is to say this may remain a proverbial brick wall - although I do hope I am wrong. :(
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Don't worry, thanks anyway *Sandra*.
What I still can't find is Elias Sr. Ronquete's death date; I've seen the surname spelt so many times that God knows how they would type it in on the search machines: Bronquette, Ronquette, Ronguet... ???
Tomorrow I'm going to visit one of my mum's aunt. We've recently found out that her next-door neighbour is related to us (though we have to trace our common ancestry back to the 18th century).
Thank you very much for your help! :)
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Louisiana Deaths should cover 1850-1875; 1894-1954 - I don't suppose everyone is listed annd never founnd Elias. That might be a question you could ask if you get a good response from RAOGK. Sorry :o
Regards
Sandra
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Hello all, and happy new year! I hope 2011 is an even better year still.
I've been fortunate enough to find the will of Manuel Joaquin de Ben (1773-1851), whose grandson José Antonio de Ben Martínez emigrated to the USA in 1860 and thus founded the American branch of this family originally from Spain. The will is interesting because its fills in some gaps about the family, and in it Manuel Joaquin de Ben mentions his children by his late wife. Among them is a "José Bentura de Ben" [sic] who at the time (december 1851) lives in the "States of America". I would presume they mean the United States, and that he having emigrated there would have managed to get his nephew José Antonio to go and live there as well. I would like to know if it's possible to find out anything about José Bentura/José Ventura (spellings of the name vary, as does that of the last name, Deben/de Ben).
Thank you!
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I found him with two sons (presumably) living in New Orleans; they own three slaves, all under 15 years of age (two mulatos and one black slave). SHOCKING! I never expected this. But no trace of their mother... The children are called Francis and Manuel, and all were born in Spain, so they emigrated to America between 1830 and 1850. Can anyone trace their date of arrival, roughly?
Best regards!
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Feliz año nuevo, Cimbrio - Espero que estés bien ;)
Do you have the dates of birth for Jose Bentura De Ben and the 2 children please ?
Gracias
Sandra
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Muchas gracias *Sandra* :o Feliz año nuevo a ti también ::)
This is what I know about them:
José Ventura de Ben (Ventura is the correct spelling, it appears as Bentura in his father's will in 1851, but he's called Jose in the other documents I've seen on pilot.familysearch.com) was born I think around 1797-1799; his parents married in 1796, I know that for a fact, and he was their firstborn. In the US 1850 census he is listed as being 51 so c. 1799.
In the same census of 1850, Francis (or Francisco) de Ben and Manuel de Ben (presumably his sons) are living with him, and they are 25 and 18 respectively. I've found Manuel Deben (slight alteration of the last name) being 34 roughly in 1865, when he took part in the American Civil War, on the Confederate side. I haven't found out if he died during the war, I don't think he did. His cousin José Antonio de Ben (emigrated in 1860) also took part in the war.
Both Francis and Manuel were born in Spain, which would indicate that they emigrated sometime between 1830 and 1850. I have no idea about their mother or if they had other siblings. Their christening records are kept in Santiago de Compostela, where I'm going in a month. I'll probably be able to find who their mother was, but any more details about them in America (when they died, when José [Ventura] de Ben died, what they did for a living after the war...).
Thank you so much! :)
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Su muy bien recibido.
Hmmmm. No es un buen comienzo
This seems to fit with the age on the 1850 Census where Manuel was a Clerk living with Jose and Francis who were both Gardeners.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b26/
New Orleans - Louisiana Death Record.
Manuel DeBen - Age: 32 Yrs - Death Date: 21 Jun 1864
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Oh, that's quite young. So Manuel would have died during the war in fact. Is there any way of telling whether he died because of it?
The death in 1864 would establish his date of birth as 1832, which fits but can only be confirmed in the parish records in Santiago. What about José, Manuel and Francis' father, is there any record of him dying in Louisiana?
Perhaps you've already seen it but in this link here
(http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/civil-war-cubans/cazadores.htm) it says there's a Manuel Deben who took part in the war:
Deben, Manuel Private 2 34 Spain Grocer
The 34 may be a mistake, because the other facts fit; he's described as a clerk in 1850, so he wasn't in a particular trade and may have turned from clerk to grocer...
Gracias *Sandra* :)
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I wonder if there was 2 possible Manuel De Ben. ???
The 1860 Census shows one age 33 years (so born 1827 Spain) - unfortunately no image for you to see on this link.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b27/
This is what it says:- 1860 Algiers, Orleans, Louisiana
Manuel Deben 33 Born about 1827 Spain. grocer. Value of real - estate $500 Value of personal estate $500
Joseph Abares 40 Born Spain Clerk
Ramon Cuberos 30 Born Spain. Labourer
Henry Rainer 48 Born Hanover. Labourer
John Stebbins 28 Born Bavaria. Labourer
Also found a US Tax Assessment List for 1863 for Manuel Deben - Retail dealer in liquor. That could be the grocer.,
Only 1 Manuel listed in US Civil War Soldiers and American Civil War Soldiers - which is the info you already have on the site above.
Can also see a Jose Deben enlisted as a private in the same - Company 2, Cazadores Esp Infantry Regiment Louisiana. (Wonder if that could be a brother of Manueal and Francis ???) but I have'nt seen a Francis listed.
Can also see a family tree Jose Manuel Deben born 1799 Spain (no wife) which is giving the same 1840 Census record as a source. 2 children listed Joseph Jose Antonio Deben 1839 - 1900 and Manuel 1840 -
Jose Antonio Deben 1839 could be the one listed in US Civil War Soldiers - 5 Regiment European Brigade (Spanish Regiment), Louisiana Militia. The tree is a little mixed up with information.
Still looking. ;)
ADDED:- Have just quickly read through what we had before and the Jose Antonio Deben I mentioned above, we covered in reply 20.
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Have you ever come across reference to the "De Ben Tomb, Metairie Cem., New Orleans, La" ???
I am quickly scanning through what we had before but don't think I've seen it mentioned but it looks as if that is where some of your De Ben family are buried.
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No, no idea! Is that like a family plot?
I'm making myself a rough family tree to see where all the names fit; if you want to have a look at the tree I can send you via PVT message the link to my tree and that way you can jump from one name to another easily.
Jose Antonio de Ben (b.25/10/1839 in Noya, Spain) is the one that emigrated to LA in 1860. I know he fought in the war, we found that on this same thread. But no idea about the double Manuel thing, I'll keep on checking the tree, see where he fits in.
Gracias!
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Joseph Antonio Deben 1839 had a son John Salvador Deben born 1871. John S Deben married Marie L and they had a son Norman in 1909 (replies 37/39/40/41.
Norman married Anita Mary Hilary born 13 Nov 1910 New Orleans. They had 3 children. If you go to the link below it mentions the burial of Norman - De Ben tomb, Metairie Cem., New Orleans, La. The tree info was last worked on 15 Aug 2010 so the e-mail link to the contributor may still work. Could be worth a try to contact Deben family ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b28/
ADDED Anita Mary Hillary/Deben Died : 1985 in New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana Burial: De Ben tomb, Metairie Cem, New Orleans.
SSDI shows - Anita Deben. Born: 20 Nov 1910 and Died: Aug 1985
Last Residence: 70118 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana,.
SSN issued: Louisiana (Before 1951)
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Reference Norman Deben 1909 above who had a son Norman Joseph Deben Born: 22 Jan 1938 Died: 25 Sep 2003
The Obituiary for the son was in the Times PICAYUNE in September 2003 - perhaps you might be able to locate a copy of that also.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0b2b/
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I've contacted the author of the family tree you pointed out before.
I haven't been able to find where to place the Manuel de Ben born in 1827; he may not be related for all I know. Hmm...
I remember seeing a sort of registration card for José Antonio de Ben (b.1839) when he faught in the civil war. Might there not be a similar thing for Manuel which might shed some light as to when he was born, and more importantly, where he came from? I am so anxious now to visit the church archives! I bet there are more relatives, though the question still remains, why did José Ventura de Ben and his sons emigrate to Louisiana? Emigration was very common in the region of Galicia right until well into the 20th century. But most people emigrated to Latin America because of the language barriers in the States. Why then would he go to Louisiana? I see it was very important for the family, since his nephew José Antonio followed in his uncle's footsteps, and another generation later Elías Ronquete emigrated to the same place as well...
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Hi Cimbrio,
It is another mystery at the moment - they could well be - one and the same - the age being slightly out and the occupation could well have changed. Census records only show one option for both 1850 and 1860 - tried a few spelling variations but nothing.
I've tried to look for more on the military history but cannot see anything else.
No trace of Jose or Francis after 1850 either.
Hit the proverbial brick wall I'm afraid. :(
Regards
Sandra
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Sandra, thanks very much for trying so hard anyway. Yes, Francis and José are a big mystery. They may have gone back to Spain for all I know, but Manuel may have stayed on and died during the war. I'm just guessing...
Are there no passenger manifestos to check passenger lists? The date of arrival may help to discover why they went to America in the first place.
I'll keep you posted if I find anything in the church archives in a couple of weeks.
Best regards,
CIMBRIO
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Sorry, forgot to say - I did try passenger lists but again there was absoloutely nothing showing. Always a lack of passenger lists for the earlier time frame which is frustrating. Hope you have better luck at the archives.
Saludos cordiales
Sandra
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I've logged on my old account on ancestry (for which I have no credit left) and there is a reference to a Jose de Bon [Jose Deben] in the 1840 Federal census in Orleans, LA. I would presume it's Jose [Ventura] de Ben (b.1799), which implies he emigrated in 1840 or before. If anyone has access to this information can you please check for any relatives living with him, or other information (job, when he emigrated, etc.).
Thanks! :)
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Buen día Cimbrio
The 1840 Census is very vague I'm afraid and does not give much detail
Jose De Bon - [Jose Deben] Township: Tunisburg County: Orleans State: Louisiana.
Free White Persons - Males - 40 thru 49: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1
Persons Employed in Commerce: 1
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 1
Total Free White Persons: 2
Total All Persons - Free White. Free Colored. Slaves: 2
The earliest entry I saw was 1820
Joseph Debon Township: Iberville County: Iberville State: Louisiana
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Males - Under 10: 2
Free White Males - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Males - 26 thru 44: 2
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 1
Free White Persons - Under 16: 2
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 6
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 6
Regards
Sandra
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¡Buenos días Sandra, y muchas gracias!
The difference of place of residence makes me question whether it is really my relative. Does the census include any names at all, apart from Jose Debon/De Ben? Since I don't have a name for his wife yet I'll be able to check it in the archives at the end of the month. Do you think this is the same Jose Debon as in the 1850 census entry?
Regards
Cimbrio
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Hello Cimbrio,
I'm afraid thats all the detail that is given. If Jose was born around 1799 then he would in the 40 - 49 age group which means the other entry, if it is his wife was between 50 - 59 (a little older)
If the 2 sons were always with Jose then they don't appear on the 1840 in Tunisburg - one should be 15 years old and one of 8 years and it is not quoting anyone in that age group. I could not be totally sure 1840 was the same person as 1850 shows.
The 1820 Census was just to show the earliest entry for Deben/Debon
Regards
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra; I don't think that someone could go back and forth to America and Europe, since his children were born in Spain, as we can see in the 1850 census. I'll have a look at the archives and I'll let you know what I come up with.
Thanks for checking the details out! Have a nice day!
Cimbrio
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Sandra, a few developments, I thought you ought to be informed as you've helped me so much.
I've found a document dated 9th May 1854, wherein Rosa de Ares, widowed wife of Benito de Ben, makes a declaration before the notary of the village of Puerto del Son (province of La Coruña, NW Spain). Incidentally, the notary is her late husband's nephew.
In the document, she declares that she is living with her spinster daughter, Rosa de Ben Ares, and that she used to live with her son Juan, who has lately married. She also says that the son she's living with now, Francisco, had emigrated abroad in early 1841 with his cousin Jose de Ben (presumably Jose Ventura de Ben, mentioned in the 1850 US census), with whom Francisco had lived and worked, and that Francisco returned home in July 1853 (the year before the document was written). There's no mention of what happened to Jose after 1850, nor who the third person mentioned in the 1850 census is, Manuel. I'm going to the archives soon, perhaps I'll find more information there. She mentions she is living thanks to the money her husband made in New Orleans.
Anyway, that fills in a few blank gaps, but still there are some questions to be answered.
Best regards!
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Buenas tardes Cimbrio,
Que es una buena noticia. Bien hecho.
Perhaps it also indicates that Jose De Ben on the 1840 was not your Jose if they immigrated 1841 - that was the Tunisburg Census with just age groups on it.
Mejor de las suertes.
Espero tener noticias suyas pronto
Se refiere a
Sandra
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Ramon Cuberos is the great-great grandfather of my husband Lloyd Alvin Coubarous, Jr. The name was change in so many spellings. From New Orleans. Ramon was born in Spain and was married to Sylvanie Edmond.
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1920 New Orleans Ward 6, Orleans, Louisiana
George Deynoodty 47 Superintendant Cemetery
Marie Deynoodty 43
Anita Deynoodty 21
Joseph Deynoodty 19 Office Manager Cemetery
Yvonne Deynoodty 16
Mignon Deynoodty 7
Louisiana Statewide Death Index Both on the same day ???
Name: George J. Deynoodt
Death Date: 10 Jul 1921
Estimated birth year: 1877
Age: 44 years
Parish: Tangipahoa
Certificate Number: 7180
Volume: 14 [/i]
Name: Marie Deynoodt
Death Date: 10 Jul 1921
Estimated birth year: 1877
Age: 44 years
Parish: Tangipahoa
Certificate Number: 7180
Volume: 14
Hi Joan,
Welcome to RootsChat
Thank you for your message. Here is an article relating to the death of George and Maria Deynoodt.
The Daily Review (Morgan City - Louisiana) - 13 July 1921
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Joseph son of George J Deynoodt and Marie nee Deben - 16 April 1900 - 23 may 1959
Burial - Saint Louis Cemetery Number 3 New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138567262
Marie Deynoodt - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118202124/marie-deynoodt
George Deynoodt - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138567260/george-j.-deynoodt
Mignon Deynoodt Short (1912 - 1968)
- https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138567264/mignon-short
Sandra
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Anita Deynoodt Bozonier - daughter of george and Marie Deynoodt. 1897 - 19 April 1958
Saint Louis Cemetery Number 3 New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138567261
husband - Ernest Joseph Bozonier 1888 - 25 January 1961
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138567263/ernest-joseph-bozonier
Sandra