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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Antdamm on Tuesday 01 June 10 12:25 BST (UK)
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Don't know if this is the right place for this -
Have an ancestor listed as Minnie Taylor on 1891 census in Dundee aged 4.
Can't find a birth cert for a Minnie. Expect it is not her name.
What could it be??
Any help is much appreciated
Thanks
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It's a Scottish pet form of Mary.
It could also be Wilhelmina/Williamina.
Nell
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I don't know....but I have a Minnie in my family & her name was Edith Ada...so it could have been for either of those two or simply as a pet name
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I had an Aunt Miriam, known to all as Min.... :D
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I should probably have said that her Mother's name was Betsy
and her two Grandmother's names were Elizabeth and Betsy.
When I search on SP for female Taylor's born between 1885-1889 I get 73 results :S
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Actually one of her Grandmother's names was Mary not Betsy
Maybe she was a Mary too????
Grrr it would have been easy to just give her actual name........why??!!
:D
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Being incredibly thick, I've just noticed she was in Dundee....so I'd go for Margaret. My Minnie (Edith Ada) was born to German parents in England & I suspect it was a pet name
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This may not help either, but in my (Scottish) family, Minne is really Meaghan. And often just "Min".
A link or two - doesn't solve your problem, but gives you more to think about:
http://newsfeed.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCOTLAND-GENWEB/1999-06/0928340271
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=lp55p7bot1ldfgubq746ake1h2&topic=353157.0
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When I search on SP for female Taylor's born between 1885-1889 I get 73 results :S
Antdamm - is this result just for Dundee ? (Do you know where she was born, I'm rather assuming Dundee if she is there in 1891).
And, why not narrow the year range, I'd look at 1886-88 as a start, and see what you get; if still too many, then 1886-87
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Yes just for Dundee, I have narrowed it down to 1886-87 but still have 28 - which is 2pages.
Can't find her in the 1901 census...
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Take the punt and try 1887 on its own - I appreciate you're trying to get down to 25 and just one page of results.
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I have a Minnie, short for Minerva.
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The Minnie in my family was Mary. Caused me months of trying to find Minerva's or Wilhelmina's! No idea where it comes from, but it was quite common.
If her Grandmother was Mary then that would be the place to start I think.
Julz
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1887-88 gets you 25 matches - 1 page, 1 credit.
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Right 1887-88 gets me two Mary Janes
Will have a look at 1886 - just in case....
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Ah yes, the old story of family research - you end up spending the money anyway! ;D
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Indeed!! It's ridiculous, and I'm still no further forward. :D
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Can't find her in the 1901 census...
But you found the rest of the family?
If so, but no Minnie, then it saddens me to say - have you searched the deaths - say 1891 - 1901 ? age, 4 - 14; birth 1887 +/- 2
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Well, i have found one or two of her siblings - wanted to get her out of the way.
Hadn't thought of checking deaths - don't know why I didn't think of that? Will give it ago :(
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Hadn't thought of checking deaths - don't know why I didn't think of that?
I think it's our natural disposition, to look amongst the living. It's easy to get caught up in that, and forget about life expectancy (particularly for children) in the 19th Century.
I spent "ages" looking for a GGF in any census past 1871 - until I considered the prospect that I was looking in the wrong place. Indeed he'd died at age 40, in the same year his son (my GF) was born. And I certainly wasn't expecting that. He'd been fit enough earlier in the year !
Often I think we'd all benefit from someone else asking the "what if?" question.
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My Grandmother was 'Beatrice Minnie,' (Born 1902) and the 'Minnie' wasn't short for anything! Just a name in itself :)
Incidentally, the name Minnie has had something of a resurgence down here in the south...I know of several so named locally. (I always thought that it derived from Minniehaha, - in the Hiawatha poem).
Romilly.
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My gtgrandfathers second wifes name was Minnie, not short for anything, a name in itself.
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I know that Minnie is a name itself. But there is no birth record for a Minnie Taylor born in the whole of Scotland between 1884-1891.
So her name must be something else....
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If you only know her as Minnie you do have a problem. I think the suggestion about checking deaths is a very good one if you cannot find her after 1891. Is there any chance of looking at the parish records?
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My husband's mother, grandmother and some aunts were all called Minnie and that was their given name, no short for anything.
Lizzie
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Antdamm, in Scotland Minnie can be Marion. Skoosh.
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I had a great aunt who was Minnie as a young child, then Mary and Marion as an adult. I have never been able to find her birth. There was a Scottish connection so maybe her actual name was something completely different!
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Hello:
Minnie is a proper name as my mum was called Minnie and also my Dad's mum was a Minnie as well.
anne
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We don't see many Minnies in Scotland now, Minnie Mouse probably put paid to that. Skoosh.
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i have two minnie's not related to each other and they were both actually called Minnie
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Thanks for all your help people.
I'm going to try and get my ancestry subscription up and running and try and find her on the 1901(hopefully)
If not, it looks like I will be spending a lot of time and money on Scotlandspeople :D :D
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Hi All,
My Nana was Minnie ( Willeamina) Sinclair from the Shetland Isles. Hope it helps. Best Regards Ken Berry
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My greatuncle Albert Allen married Minnie Jones (in North Wales) and I haven't found her under any other version of her name!
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Hi Little Alison,Yes I think people just chose names they liked,Thats Mum's and Dad's probably. My Nana Minnie was Wlliamina in the Sheland Isles.Someone did mention that a lot of people had arrived from Norway many many years before.I believe there are about 5 different sspellings.Dutch German and Norwegian and I suppose the Shetland Isles. My wifes Nan here in NZ was name Olive Olive Oliver.She wasn't very keen on that one.My Mum In Liverpool was Eileen Ivy Lunt. She hated the Ivy bit so that was part of my defences,if you boss me Mum I'll call you Ivy. Still got the whack though. Nice to Chat with you Best Regards Ken Berry
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I had a great grannie from Shetland called Williamina but she was known as Willa! Skoosh.
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@ Antdamm,
Can I check you have these two links at hand?
http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCADatabases.html - Friends of the Dundee City archives - databases on line
It can't hurt to look!
and (not sure if this applies to Minnie's family)
http://www.fdca.org.uk/FDCAIrishPage.html - as above, a guide to researching Irish family history in Dundee
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My OH has aunt Minnie, short for Marion! ???
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My wife's cousin's relative was named Minnie, just that Minnie.
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My mother in law born 1901 was called Minnie as was her own mother born 1871. My husband actually has 7 Minnie's in his tree, all given the name on their birth certificates and I have 2 Minnie ancestors, given names not nicknames. All of them were born between 1876 and 1903. I wonder where the name came from to be so popular then?
Lizzie
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I've got a Minnie in my tree - original name was the German name Wilhelmina
My husband also has a Minnie - original name was Williamina
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I will take a guess on this and say Minifred. Another option is to compare all the family names, including cousins from both sides of the family. Depending on the timeframe, most families simply recycled names amongst themselves.
Good luck in your search.
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DID MINNIE EVER PUT A CHILD UP FOR FOSTERING ????? CALLED JACK ????? :) :) :) :)
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BECAUSE I LIKE YOU HAVE GOT A BREAK IN MY FAMILY RECORDS ND THE DATE OF BIRTH , THE NAME AND THE PLACE WHERE YOURE MINNIE LIVED MATCHES UP !!!! I AM SOOOOO EXITED AND HOPE IM RIGHT IN THINKING MAYBE OUR FAMILYS ARE JOINED IN SOME WAY !!!!
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abcdefg: Please only use capital letters to emopahsise a word etc. The use of whole capitals is called shouting and is frowned upon by the managers of the site.Please see welcome section.
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My great aunt, also Minnie Taylor, was christened as Jemima! My aunt Jenny's real name is also Jemima though.Sounds as though your Minnie could've been registered under any name!Was her mother, Betsy married at the time of her birth? She may be registered under a different surname.
flst
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Just to add to the mix, my niece Minnie is Hermione.
Jenny
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See http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=minnie
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I have just come across, in my own tree, a 'Minnie' whose Sunday name was Kate Arabella Maria!
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Poor girl! Not surprising she preferred Minnie.
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I have a Scottish great aunt Marion who was called Minnie and it took me some time to find her records. I know that it just adds to the confusion. Sorry Auldamm
Best wishes and keep looking
Are.
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Ditto, Are!
Skoosh.
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my g aunt was named minnieada, she was called minnie for short.
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Is it worth checking SP for Minnie Taylor marriages? I think that you might find two in 1903, both in Glasgow.
Just a thought. ::)
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Hello
"Minnie (f.): originally a Sc pet-form of Mary. It became common in England in England in the 19th C and was often used as an independent name. Not in CMY." - Oxford University / Clarendon Press 1945
Sc - Scottish
Not in Charlotte Mary Yonge (Two volumes 1863. Revised Ed. 1884)
Officially Mary, but has been used it seems as a pet name for others.
Obviously a name in itself - Minnie.
Officially the pet name for Wilhelmina was Mina.
Minnie was also an affectionate name for Mother, [asking for something as a child - go and see Minnie, meaning go and see your Mother], or it can be used as 'mother's darling' an affectionate pet name given to a child by the mother. Mother use - mynnye.
Minnie has been used as a pet name for others too and only family knowledge, or finding the ancestor in other records may confirm the real name, or spelling, if the name was not Minnie at Birth or used simply as a pet name.
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Scotland - also minny, minni, mihnny Shetland News - 12 February 1898; also variations mynnie, mynnye, possibly minnye.
If she was called 'Minnie' (pronounced) and she was Scottish, search Scotlands People by surname only.
If buried and in Scotland, any Headstone Memorial, or official M.I.?
Mark
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Hi All
There are 32 female Taylor births in Dundee between 1865 and 1867 quite a few have middle names which could be a clue or help to eliminate
Yours Aye
BruceL
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My ancestor was called Ada. This was short for Minnieada. Could also be Minnie for short.
Rosie
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My ancestor was called Ada. This was short for Minnieada. Could also be Minnie for short.
Indeed. But the 'Minnie' part of the name is still a diminutive of something else, most likely Mary.
There is no record of a Minnieada in any of the records on Scotland's People. There is one Minniada in the 1891 census, whose bith was registered as Minnie Ada (two separate names).
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My ancestor was born( Christian name) Minnieada 1903 and died Minnieada 1929 both records on Scotland's people. The name can be either shortened to Minnie or Ada.
Rosie
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I am afraid that I have found it impossible to replicate your search.
There are four Minnie Adas in the statutory birth records, five in the marriages index and seven in the deaths index.
Searches for Minniada and Minnieada produce no results in the statutory birth, marriage or death indexes.
The birth index lists Minnie Ada S N Cowan, born 1903 in Glasgow Anderston. Minnie Ada Shepherd Cowan, other surname Marshall, mother's surname Angus, died in Glasgow in 1978 aged 74.
A search for Minnie Ada in 1929 in the deaths index produces no results. A search for Minn* in the deaths index in 1929, born 1903 plus or minus three years, produces two results, a Minnie Robertson Munro or Murphy and a Minnie Hamilton Wilson or Muir.
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That's because one of my dates was for a marriage not death as I had stated previously.
I don't remember asking anyone to replicate my research. I was simply answering a post asking .. What is Minnie short for?
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That's because one of my dates was for a marriage not death as I had stated previously.
I don't remember asking anyone to replicate my research.
Possibly not. But facts are chiels that winna ding. The the birth, marriage and death references on Scotland's People all list her as Minnie Ada (two separate names) not as one single name.
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Spotted this older posting and wanted to add my family experience to it. My aunt (born 1924) was named Mina and it wasn’t short for Mary as that was my mother’s name. With a grandfather called William, it was assumed to be short for Williamina. NOT SO! She was called after his sister great-aunt Minnie, great-grandmother was named Minna, the generations before it was recorded as Mannie, Menie and Marie - adhering to the Scottish naming pattern, it was easy to trace back. In the late 1700’s and early 1800’s, they were of German extraction, likely had an accent and perhaps illiterate - officials would have recorded the name as it sounded. My aunt Mina’s name has now been handed down as a middle name, no more Minnie’s etc.