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MARY ANN WILDING (THOMAS) was born 7 January 1858 in Hobart Town Tasmania.
She had 3 children after first husband died.
Who was father of -
- MARY ALICE HOKSEON WILDING, b. 24 October 1886, Palmerston Street Carlton; d. 5 December 1969, Coburg.
- LESLIE EDWARD LAWRENCE WHILDING, b. 4 April 1891, Carlton; d. 1955, age 63 Gardenvale.
- ELLEN HONG LAWRENCE, b. 1895, Carlton1; d. 1896, Carlton.
No information on the childrens birth certificate.
Multiman
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From Victorian BDM Index
Ellen WILDING
b1895 Fitzroy South
Father: Unknown Mother: Mary Ann Wilding
Reg#3372
Ellen HONG
d1896 Fitz S age 1year
Father: Unknown Mother: Mary Ann Kong
Reg# 13348
Mary Alice GIBSON
d1969 Coburg age 83 years
Father: John Wilding Mother: Mary Lawrence
Reg#27595
Leslie Edward WILDING
d1955 Gard age 63 years
Father: John Mother: Mary Ann Lawrence
Reg#2587
Raylen
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I thought I'd post the births as they are listed.
They are ::)
Mary Alice HOK SEON and Mary Alice WELDING
details the same for both
b1886 Carlt
Father: Unknown Mother: May Ann WELDING
Reg#24598R
(There are 2 other births for Hok Seon and mother
name Mary Ann Wilding and it lists father as James.
Also a death - same surname and mother Mary Ann Whilding
with father Joseph ..hope this isn't too confusing :-\ )
Leslie Edward WHILDING and Leslie Edward LAWRENCE
details the same for both
b1891 Carlton
Father: Unknown Mother: Mary Ann Lawrence
Reg#10422R
Raylen
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Who is John Glynn in relation to Mary Ann Wilding? He died in 1898, wealthy, leaving assets of Two thousand and seventy pounds 2/6.
In the Melb Gen cemetry grave is Ellen 1yo, then John Glynn d1898, then Mary Ann Wilding (Hok Seon) d1933
Mary Ann had three children after death of husband James Hok Seon. Mary Alice b1886, Leslie Edward Laurence b1891 Ellen Hong b1895.
Multiman
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GLYNN Jno age 60yrs d. 1898 FITZ S #2200
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
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Mulitman can you please send me a email to (*) My name is Val Gray.
I am helping my friend do her Wilding tree. Her grandfather was Leslie Edward Wilding. I am confused here.........
Hope to hear from you soon
Val Gray
Melbourne
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Who is John Glynn in relation to Mary Ann Wilding? He died in 1898, wealthy, leaving assets of Two thousand and seventy pounds 2/6.
In the Melb Gen cemetry grave is Ellen 1yo, then John Glynn d1898, then Mary Ann Wilding (Hok Seon) d1933
Mary Ann had three children after death of husband James Hok Seon. Mary Alice b1886, Leslie Edward Laurence b1891 Ellen Hong b1895.
Multiman
Where did you obtain the information on John Glynn dying in 1898 with regards to him being wealthy etc ?
Jenn
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Is anyone a family descendant of Mary Ann Wilding?
I am confused here.
First page of chat from Multiman was Mary Ann Wilding(in brackets Thomas-where does that name fit in?)
Let me get this right-Mary Ann Lawerence married James Hok Seon first.
She had three children after the death of James.
Did she ever marry Leslie Edward Wildings father-John I believe? (this is the line I am helping a friend trace)
Was John Glynn another partner? Found his death in 1898 in Fitzroy but where do I find that info about him dying wealthy?
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I would have to say given the evidence of the birth registrations as given by Raylen
Leslie Edward WHILDING and Leslie Edward LAWRENCE
details the same for both
b1891 Carlton
Father: Unknown Mother: Mary Ann Lawrence
Reg#10422R
that there is really no way to know who Leslie Edward Lawrence/Whilding father really was
Jenn
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Leslie Edward Wilding's parents names were on the death cert or his marriage lines-can't remember which one I found out.
His parents names are John Wilding and Mary Ann Lawerence
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He may never have known he was illegitimate, he may have een told his father died?
Or he never told his wife when they were married, the information on a death certificate is only as good as the informants knowledge of the deceased
Jenn
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this is more confusing.
More children
1Florence Matilda Hok Seon born 1876 No 16251
2. Mary Alice Hok Seon-the person in question
3. Arthur Hok Seon death Collingwood age 2 Father Joseph (Hok Seon) mother Mary Ann Whilding year 1881 Victoria 882
4.Minnie Elizabeth Hok Seon Birth Collingwood Year 1871 No 22383. Married Ernest Robert Ellard Victoria 1891 No 2138
Death Mary Ann Hock Seon -father Thomas Wilding and mother Charlotte Melbourne age 80 year 1933
Think Mary Ann took on a number of surnames-do you think.. as have her down as Wilding,Lawerence and Hok Seon now.Maybe Leslie Edward Lawerence Dad's surname was Lawerence? I thought my family was confusing.......
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Who is John Glynn in relation to Mary Ann Wilding? He died in 1898, wealthy, leaving assets of Two thousand and seventy pounds 2/6.
In the Melb Gen cemetry grave is Ellen 1yo, then John Glynn d1898, then Mary Ann Wilding (Hok Seon) d1933
Mary Ann had three children after death of husband James Hok Seon. Mary Alice b1886, Leslie Edward Laurence b1891 Ellen Hong b1895.
Multiman
Where did you obtain the information on John Glynn dying in 1898 with regards to him being wealthy etc ?
Jenn[/b]
Multiman obviously has their wires crossed here ::)
It was James GLYNN that had assets to the amount of £2070.2/6 ;D
His WILL is on PROV to read & it was all left to his wife Margaret Glynn.
James death details are:
GLYNN Jas age 48yrs d. 1898 FAIRFIELD #2111
Father: Glynn Edw
Mother: Bridt MURRAY
So, I haven't a clue where Multiman got the idea that it was John Glynn's assets ::)
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Ta will cross that out-lol. still is this another partner of Mary Ann Wilding.
So in theory the Wilding tree goes by Mary Ann Wilding -correct.
Looks like Mary Ann Wilding was a busy woman........
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First page of chat from Multiman was Mary Ann Wilding(in brackets Thomas-where does that name fit in?)
This is the birth that Multiman has quoted, the name THOMAS is her father's given name it also appears on her death reg.
WILDING Name Not Recorded, Sex: F, born 7/1/1858, HOBART #1226/1858 RGD 33
Father: THOMAS
Mother: CARTER ANN
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This is Mary Ann's death reg:
WILDING Mary Ann age 80yrs d. MELB 1933 #1930
Father: Wilding Thomas
Mother: Chtte UNKNOWN
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WILDING, Mary Ann: Born 07 Jan 1858 Hobart, daughter of Ann Wilding (nee Quinn) and Thomas Wilding. Mary Ann Wilding married James HOK-SEON 06 Jan 1871 in Fitzroy, Victoria. James may have been a tin worker in Tasmania. Margaret Strickland
WILDING, Thomas: Born c1821, tried Preston, Lancaster, England 10 Jan 1842 for stealing £100 in value of goods. Sentence 14 years to be served in Van Diemen's Land. Transported on the Marquis of Hastings (2) sailing 11 Jul 1842 from London arriving Hobart 08 Nov 1842. Protestant Read and Write. Father - Thomas, Mother - Alice. Brothers - James, John, Sisters - Mary, Ellen. Margaret Strickland
Just found this on the Tasmania surnames. Have three names of Mary Ann Wildings mother now. Which is correct?
You think this Thomas Wilding is Mary Ann's father?
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JAMES HOK SEON & ANN WILDING
James Hok Seon born 1840 Wang Huey Canton China son of James Fah Gung and Ann Mary nee Wongshe.
James married Mary Ann Wilding daughter of convicts Thomas Wilding and Ann nee Carter, June 6th 1871 in Melbourne. James occupation was Tea Dealer of 55 Little Bourke Stree Melbourne, Ann age 18yrs Domestic & James age 31yrs.
Thomas Wilding born c. 1821 tried Lancaster Preston 10 January 1842 sentence 14 years Transported "Marquis of Hastings" arrived VDL 08.11.1842
His father is named thomas mother Alice brothers James and john sisters Mary Ellen and two more (unable to decipher) religion Protestant.
Ann Carter Quinn Transported to Hobart aboard Cadet arrived 12.04.1849 prosecuted Birmingham sessions sentence 14 years occupation dress maker.
At the time of her sentence she had a husband Felix brothers William and Henry sisters Emma and Elizabeth. All residing in Birmingham. Religion Roman Catholic
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JAMES HOK SEON & ANN WILDING
James Hok Seon born 1840 Wang Huey Canton China son of James Fah Gung and Ann Mary nee Wongshe.
James married Mary Ann Wilding daughter of convicts Thomas Wilding and Ann nee Carter, June 6th 1871 in Melbourne. James occupation was Tea Dealer of 55 Little Bourke Stree Melbourne, Ann age 18yrs Domestic & James age 31yrs.
Thomas Wilding born c. 1821 tried Lancaster Preston 10 January 1842 sentence 14 years Transported "Marquis of Hastings" arrived VDL 08.11.1842
His father is named thomas mother Alice brothers James and john sisters Mary Ellen and two more (unable to decipher) religion Protestant.
Ann Carter Quinn Transported to Hobart aboard Cadet arrived 12.04.1849 prosecuted Birmingham sessions sentence 14 years occupation dress maker.
At the time of her sentence she had a husband Felix brothers William and Henry sisters Emma and Elizabeth. All residing in Birmingham. Religion Roman Catholic
this informatiom is on this website
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/t/i/Margaret-L-Stickland/index.html
there is a contact person Margaret who you might contact
Jenn
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Hi
wombathil's reply #16 acknowledges the findings of MARGARET STICKLAND, who seems to be the author of the Tree cited above.
sue
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that is true Sue, I had added it in more for Multiman's benefit ;D
Jenn
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And I posted it to highlight the family names as Val (wombathill2001) was confused with the parents names, in particular the mother 8)
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Seems we are all working towards the common goal of helping to get a successfull outcome
Jenn 8)
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Yes Jenn and thanks to everyone. At least she has a tree now ;)
Val
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Thanks to all for the input. Yes Mary Anne nee Wilding had a mystery man after her husband HokSeon died.
Mary Ann is known as Hok Seon, her first husband James Hok Seon died 1878.
She is also known as Wilding Whilding and Lawrence.
Mary Ann had three children to ...???. Mary Alice 1886, Leslie Edward Laurence 1891 Ellen Hong 1895.
Ellen is buried with her mother, also in the Private Grave is John Glynn or james Glynn ?
John Glynn is interesting he was a wealthy man when he died leaving assets of Two thousand and seventy pounds two shillings and sixpence he died in 1898. Ellen was the first to be buried and you have to wonder why she was buried in a private Roman Catholic grave when Mary Ann has never indicated that she was a Roman Catholic.
Apparently James Glynn left his money to his wife so how did he end up buried in the grave with Ellen Hong (1yr) and later Mary Anne (80yr) ? There's an interesting story here!
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Multiman,
Are you a researcher or is this your tree? I have some new info.
Cheers
Val
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John Glynn is interesting he was a wealthy man when he died leaving assets of Two thousand and seventy pounds two shillings and sixpence he died in 1898. Ellen was the first to be buried and you have to wonder why she was buried in a private Roman Catholic grave when Mary Ann has never indicated that she was a Roman Catholic.
Apparently James Glynn left his money to his wife so how did he end up buried in the grave with Ellen Hong (1yr) and later Mary Anne (80yr) ? There's an interesting story here!
Multiman you need to go back & read the information I have posted regards John GLYNN & James GLYNN they are TWO different people [/color] ::)
James GLYNN was the one with the assets of £2070.2/-6 and left all his estate to his wife Margaret, I don't know where you got your information from ???
James GLYNN is buried with his wife Margaret & other members of his family at Boroondara General Cemetery NOT with your Ellen & Mary Ann.
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Merlin is most correct here there was John Glynn who died aged 60 and is in the same grave and there was James Glynn who died aged 48 and is buried with his wife Margaret.
GLYNN Jas age 48yrs d. 1898 FAIRFIELD #2111
Father: Glynn Edw
Mother: Bridt MURRAY
GLYNN Jno age 60yrs d. 1898 FITZ S #2200
Father: Unknown
Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN
Which cemetery are they buried in because I couldn't locate them in the Melbourne General Search???
Jenn
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Hi Jen,
Just re read your message. Believe they are buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery.Unfortunately they are not on line.
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Hi everyone again.
Can't seem to find Thomas Wilding famly back in England
Had a look at ancestry for Thomas Wilding and his wife Alice but no luck.
Can someone do a a look up please.
Thanks
Val
Thomas Wilding born c. 1821 tried Lancaster Preston 10 January 1842 sentence 14 years Transported "Marquis of Hastings" arrived VDL 08.11.1842
His father is named thomas mother Alice brothers James and john sisters Mary Ellen and two more (unable to decipher) religion Protestant.
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Re Thomas WILDING
Looking at the indent it IS very difficult to read the names and his occupation. However I believe his mother's name is written as Allen not Alice. One of the siblings looks as though it might be Rodge, and another Edward as well as James, John and Mary Ellen who are written in better handwriting!! His occupation is very difficult to read but appears to be xxxxxx xxxxxsmith.
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-16,245,170,L,80
(Thomas is on p 150 of the Indent records for The Marquis of Hastings)
Based on these names I think this could be the family in 1841.
Mount St, Preston
Thos Wilding 50 warehouseman
Ellen Wilding 50
Thomas Wilding 19 Smith Ap
Roger Wilding 18 Currier Ap
Edward Wilding 16 Joiner Ap
Mary Wilding 15 dressm
Richard Wilding 12
Joshua Wilding 11
Judith
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Hi Judith,
Thanks question how can we tell if this is our Thomas Wilding who was transported to Van Diemans Land? Can't see any proof yet or I am missing something?
Thanks
Val
p.s. I found ten children in that family -
john,James,Henry,Ellen,Thomas,Rodger,Edward,Mary,Richard and Joshua