RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: Rustyscupp on Friday 18 June 10 09:14 BST (UK)
-
Newbie - First post - Be gentle!!
Looking for anyone that is/has researched this area. I am seeking specific info on Gardiner (incl variants) & Bryans family in the area. Also any families known to have married into them. any help would be appreciated, I am unlikely to visit N. Ireland anytime soon (although hoping too next summer). I have already obtained the usual 1901/1911 census info, PRONI Wills, Freeholders etc. Also scoured all the common websites (Fermanagh Gold, IGI, FamilySearch etc).
I already have a large database of both families BMD info from various sources, but still have a good few gaps.
Also interested if anyone has/is/was researching rent roles, deeds, or other related info for the Manor Waterhouse Estate.
During my research I have collected a large amount of BMD info for families of both Gardiner/Bryans names across Fermanagh, so if anyone is looking let me know. I also have some Clingan & Downey Births & Marriages.
Regards, Rusty
-
Rusty,
You appear to have searched all the usual sites. I have access to Emerald ancestors which list 1853 marriage of Hugh Bryans to Julianna Gardiner and the 1890 marriage of Alexander Gardiner to Frances Bryans. If you don't have these I will give you details.
Regards
-
Kingskerswell,
Many thanks for the reply, however I have already recorded all the Gardiner (& variants) vitals from both "Emerald Ancestors & Irish World Family History Services (IFHF). And no it has not been cheap. I have all the Bryans from Emerald Ancestors & am working through selected Bryans on IFHF.
Since the updated data on family search, I have been able to be more selective on the records I pay for. I still have many gaps though these sites only have transcribed data from public records, there are still a lot of records still in local custody. Specifically the Sallaghy church records, that contain a lot of the records I seek, I hope to view these when I visit.
I should have mentioned earlier that although I am a newbie to forums, I have been researching my family for several years, however I am still learning and still benefit from help & experience from others.
Thanks again, Rusty
-
I recently visited Galloon cemetery on Galloon Island looking at McAviney headstones - a lovely area!
Are you aware of a census substitute for the Sallaghy area in the Clogher Journal - I think dates to mid 19th century taken by the local Church of Ireland minister.
A Fermanagh Census
Brian MacDonald
Clogher Record, Vol. 14, No. 3 (1993), pp. 77-110
Published by: Clogher Historical Society
Keep digging for sources rather than for the names. It is the sources that provide the names.
-
I've got Sarah Jane BRYANS b 14.10.1893 Croghan, Lisnaskea, d/o Wm Bryans & Emily Murray. Wm Bryans was s/o Wm Bryans & Sarah CLINGAN, m Sallaghy 10.7.1860.
Bryans & Clingan together suggest there may be a connection with your research. And Sallaghy is not far from Galloon.
Elwyn
-
Gortinanima,
Thanks for the tip, I have however already purchased the complete publication of "A Fermanagh Census" as published in the Clogher Record from the website. But you are correct, its the sources I'm after.
So if anyone has already visited PRONI and has recorded details from the Madden/Manor Waterhouse Estate Rent roles, and/or records for leases for the names Gardiner & Bryans for all areas within this estate, I'd love to hear from you.
Elwyn,
We have a match, My GtGtGt Grandfather was William Bryans father of your William that married Sarah Clingan. They came from Dernish Island in Galloon Parish that later became Sallaghy. My GtGtGrandfather was James b. 1 Jul 1825 & Maried Mary Montgomery. However this part of the family is still work in progress.
William (abt 1795) married Catherine Hicks & had 9 children (that I know of). Arabella (1818), Dorcas (1821, William (1822), Edward (1822 born 4 days after William & died soon after birth) Edward (1823), James (1825), Elizabeth (1827), Johnathan (1830, Charlotte (1831).
William (1822) is the one that married Sarah Clingan, I have them as having 6 children 2 of which are "unnamed" males on the birth records with birth dates of 25 Feb 1867 & 14 Mar 1869. I believe these children were named William (yours) and John but have no Idea which matches the birth dates. The other 4 children were Emelia (1865), David (1871), Isabella (1874), & Sophia (1876).
Love to hear if you have more on this family. Your welcome to what I have.
Rusty
-
Addendum to last.
Elwyn and I have made contact, It's a family match & we are corresponding by email now.
However, I am leaving this thread open in case I have any more luck!!
Rusty
-
Hello, I too just started researching the Bryans. I've learned a thing or two, but I haven't been able to put them in Ireland:
--William I. Bryans was born in June 1812 (according to his wife's Bible). He was a shoemaker.
--His wife, Mary/Margaret Bamford, came from Ramult in County Fermanagh. She was born in 1817. I have no record of when or where they married.
--The next records place the couple in Elgin County, Ontario, in 1847, where their first child, Sidney, was born. In all, they had 8 children, seven of which lived to adulthood.
--I've also just learned that Williams' siblings, Richard, John, James, and Mary, also lived in Ontario as a painter, a cooper, a farmer, and a housewife respectively.
--In 1865 William brought his family to the northern panhandle of West Virginia and the rest, they say, is history.
I'm hoping that, in your collection of Bryans data, you might have the pieces I'm missing--how and when he made it to Canada, how he met and married Mary/Margaret, where he was born. Anything will be appreciated.
Yours,
Margaret
-
Hi Marthur,
I do have a fair bit on "Bryans" in Fermanagh, nothing I can see matches what you have. Do you have any Idea of Townland, where they might have married? Any siblings birth death or marriage info? anything you know on emigration/immigration? Do you know any more about the Bamford connection, parents, siblings etc?
If I can get a bit of a lead I may be able to help.
You need to make another couple of posts on the main board before we can use the PM system.
Rusty
-
Hi Marthur,
Just a little bit of info on the Bamford Family if you dont already know it. The 1821 Aghalurcher census lists the following at Ramult, Maghnastephina, Aughalurcher:
Alexander Bamford 50 Farmer
Jane Bamford 40 Wife - Flax Spinner
Anne Bamford 15 Daughter - Flax Spinner
Jane Bamford 10 Daughter
Mary Bamford 4 Daughter
Margaret Bamford 1 Daughter
Joseph Bamford 20 Son - Weaver
William Bamford 16 Son - Labourer
Christopher Bamford 7 Son
The 1833 Tithe lists an Alexander "Barnford" at Aghalurcher, Ramult
1862 Griffiths lists Christopher Bamford at Aghalurcher, Ramult
& William Bamford at Aghavea, Coolrakelly.
There are more Bamford entries here too: http://www.fermanagh-gold.com/search1?term=bamford
Hope it helps
Rusty
-
Rusty, thank you for your replies. Yes, I unearthed the Bamfords of Ramult only recently, thanks to a Bible my mother had. But I had NO idea there were so many others.
As to the Bryans, the trail went cold in Canada--until three days ago when I ran across a surrogate court record for a man, Richard Bryans, who claimed MY William Bryans, shoemaker, as his brother. He also named as brothers a John Bryans, cooper, and a James Bryans, farmer, all in Canada. Alone, I admit that isn't much to go on as every other Bryans in Ireland was a John or a James.
So I slogged some more and found a John Bryans, cooper, b. 1812 in Ireland, who married Ann Jane Noble in Canada in 1840. I also found a James Bryans, farmer, b. 1813 in Ireland, who married Mary (b. 1811). They bore five children in Ireland before emigrating to Canada: John, Thomas, Ellen, William, and Ann. Ann, the youngest, was born in 1844.
As for Richard, records indicate he was born in 1816 (possibly in England), worked as a painter, and was a widower. His late wife was not mentioned, and there was no issue. I have done no search for Mary Bryans Gallagher yet.
I can't think of anything else to tell. The Bible was short on information: William and Margaret were Anglican, as were James and Mary. John and Ann Jane were Wesleyan Methodist, and Richard claimed to be Episcopalian.
I hope you have among your notes something that might give me a clue. I've noted that a lot of Bryans lurked in the Galloon area--but they weren't exclusive to Galloon. Anything is sure to help--even if it's just how to slog smarter instead of harder.
I need more sleep...
Margaret
-
Margaret,
Sleep while researching.... pretty difficult, as often when you get a lead all the what ifs & where can I check next, go through your head.
Hows the weather in your neck of the woods?
After you reply we should be able to use the PM facility & I can send you some stuff.
Rusty
-
Weather? What weather? I'm inside with my nose stuck to a 10x12 flatscreen.
But I hear that it's been unseasonably warm this winter. Sunshine, gentle breezes, temps in the 70s. Ho-hum. 'Course, that's why I moved to Florida in the first place...
What's a PM facility?
Margaret
-
Hi,
The PM facility is a personal message system. If you click on the little green scroll under the name of the person you wish to contact you can send a private message.
Regards
-
:D If you still have the CLINGAN records I would really like a copy. I'm a Clingan from Ireland living in Australia, I stumbled across this thread on google.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thank-you
-
Crazydot,
Have you any further details of your Irish ancestors so we know where to search?
Regards
-
Although I have been researching William Bryans and
Catherine Hicks of Dernish Island I haven't had much
success. But am delighted to come across others who
are interested in those names as their daughter Dorcas
born 1821 was my great grandmother. She married
and lived at Clonegore,Drummully, Monaghan. I have
a fairly full family tree from Dorcas forward.
Would love to chat by email with other of William
and Catherine descendents.
Needy
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
New members must make at least three postings before being allowed to use the PM facility.
See Help-Page: http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
-
Hi MArthur, I have info on your cold trail in Canada :) I am part of the cold trail!
I have a John Bryans + family in Canada.
Rusty, thank you for your replies. Yes, I unearthed the Bamfords of Ramult only recently, thanks to a Bible my mother had. But I had NO idea there were so many others.
As to the Bryans, the trail went cold in Canada--until three days ago when I ran across a surrogate court record for a man, Richard Bryans, who claimed MY William Bryans, shoemaker, as his brother. He also named as brothers a John Bryans, cooper, and a James Bryans, farmer, all in Canada. Alone, I admit that isn't much to go on as every other Bryans in Ireland was a John or a James.
So I slogged some more and found a John Bryans, cooper, b. 1812 in Ireland, who married Ann Jane Noble in Canada in 1840. I also found a James Bryans, farmer, b. 1813 in Ireland, who married Mary (b. 1811). They bore five children in Ireland before emigrating to Canada: John, Thomas, Ellen, William, and Ann. Ann, the youngest, was born in 1844.
As for Richard, records indicate he was born in 1816 (possibly in England), worked as a painter, and was a widower. His late wife was not mentioned, and there was no issue. I have done no search for Mary Bryans Gallagher yet.
I can't think of anything else to tell. The Bible was short on information: William and Margaret were Anglican, as were James and Mary. John and Ann Jane were Wesleyan Methodist, and Richard claimed to be Episcopalian.
I hope you have among your notes something that might give me a clue. I've noted that a lot of Bryans lurked in the Galloon area--but they weren't exclusive to Galloon. Anything is sure to help--even if it's just how to slog smarter instead of harder.
I need more sleep...
Margaret
-
I am doing a bit of Galloon research. Don't know how relevant Dernish Island is to myself though.
I was down in Fermanagh doing research on the Downey line.
My Great Great Grandfather/Grandmother was James Downey/Sarah Downey (Nee Rice). They are both buried in Sallaghy Church graveyard. They were resident in the townland of Derrylea.
I note that James' sister Catherine was married to a James Clingan who had a two children (at least in my records) Amelia Clingan and John Clingan. They were resident in Derrylea too as far as my research shows. Though they both got married in St. Anne's Cathedral in Belfast. A lot of the Downeys seemed to have moved to Belfast but eventually returned to Fermanagh, specifically the Lisnaskea area.
I can't remember exactly but I am nearly certain that when I was in Aghadrumsee Church that I saw a few Clingan graves.
Willing to share my other Downey research, feel free to PM.
-
A lot of Registers online.....
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/church.htm
-
Thanks.
Have never seen this website.
-
Thanks.
Have never seen this website.
Also a few people that visit graveyards/cemeteries take photos that might help other and put them on IGP
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/photos/tombstones/markers.htm
these is a Search Box there.
-
I can't remember exactly but I am nearly certain that when I was in Aghadrumsee Church that I saw a few Clingan graves.
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=clingan&s=fermanaghstones
-
There are a lot of Downey/Clingan inter-marriages in the Galloon area, especially around Derrylea, Ports, Derryadd & Ballagh.
Also both families use the same common names over generations. So dont be tempted to grab the first information you find, that looks right.
P.S. Dernish Island is a couple of hundred yards away in Lough Erne, from the Western shore of Derrylea.
-
I have just begun researching the Bryans from Galloon. My Great Great Great Grandfather was William Bryans who married Catherine Hicks. My great Great Grandmother was Charlotte Bryans. Charlotte emigrated to Australia around 1856 and married a Robert Bigley from Athlone in Hamilton and then settled in Warrnabool where she lived until her death in 1820. I would be very grateful if anyone has any information of the families life in Galloon before Charlotte left or could point me in the right direction.
Many thanks, Helen
-
Thanks to Hallmark for the link to Fermanagh Church records. I was able to locate Charlotte Bryans' from Dernish baptism record. Now to work out what happened to her between 1831 and 1854/55 when she emigrated to Australia!
-
This thread looks like it's gone cold but of anyone from the Bryans family is interested, I have some information about Charlotte Bryans - 9th child of Catherine Hicks and William Bryans including her marriage and death certificate and her obituary. Happy to share.
-
I am descendent of Alexander Bamford and I randomly opened this site, I was surprised to find my ancestors on the very first page I opened.