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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Jtyner on Friday 18 June 10 22:30 BST (UK)
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my 2nd grt grandparents Thomas Good and Anne rice married in 1861 in ballinaboy.
Their fathers are Thomas Good and James Rice.
is anyone connected to these families or know anymore about them?
John
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Hi
Some relevant photos for you
Mary
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Some more!!
Mary
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Ballinaboy church
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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thanks mary!! you found me!! appreciate the photos.
it seems that thomas and george must be relatives of james Rice.
more digging to do.
god bless
John
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You are welcome,
this is the best site!!!!
So easy to upload photos too, unlike some!
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Fascinating! I have an Eliza Clarke born 1784, daughter of William Clarke, woolmerchant of Blarney Lane, Cork and Sarah Farren. Eliza married a Rice (I don't have a first name or any other details) and had two children at least, Anna Rice and George Nelson Rice, born 1806, dd 1827, who was buried in St Mary's Shandon, Cork. Anna Rice married a Robert Chambers, who was probably the tobacco importer with offices at 6 St Patricks Street, Cork in 1845 in Aldwell's Directory; a Robert Chambers was an associate of another Wm Clarke, (nephew of the above) of Clarke's Tobacco, whose address in 1856 was then 6 St Patricks Street. Does any of this match up with your research?
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Hi Woodchurch,
I found a marriage which I think might be Eliza's to a Rice in the Rosemary Ffolliott index
which is on microfilm at the Cork City Library. It is listed in Cork Mercantile chronicle paper
on Monday 8th October, 1804 "yesterday morning at St. Mary's Shandon, Mr. Pierce Rice
to Miss Clarke of Blarney Lane". No reference as to where Pierce Rice was from.
You seem to have the details for the death of George Nelson Rice, again a newspaper notice
details as follows-
17th Feb 1827 " on Friday of rapid consumption at his grandfather's Mr. William Clarke of
Blarney Lane, George Nelson Rice, student of St. Edmund's Hall, Oxford.. had just attained
his 21st year"
Another entry which I thought was interesting -
Cork Journal paper 19 Oct 1761 " Advertisement - Jane the widow of Francis Clarke, tobacconist
at the corner of Kitt's Lane in the Main Street, carried on the trade" ( maynot be your Clarkes).
I came across a couple of the Clarke tobacconist's metal advertising signs when I was away
recently and took a few photos for you. One mentions the Imperial Tobacco Company. Again you might have them already.
It might be difficult for you to link my photos to your Clarke family???
Regards
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Thanks Mary for your quick reply, you don't hang about!
Pierce Rice may well be the one. Ancestry also gave me a reference in O’Kief of the marriage in 1840 of a Pierce Rice and Elizabeth Clarke in the Diocese of Cork and Ross.
I am thinking the connection might have been through the wool or clothing trade; William Clarke was variously described as a wool merchant, woollen draper or woolcomber and lived on Blarney Lane, which appears to have been a centre in Cork for the trade. In 1810 West’s Directory, there is a Mary Rice linen draper in Cork at South Main Street and later in 1824 a John Rice,Woollen Draper at 79 South Main Street (Pigot’s Directory). Not overwhelming but a possibility.
William Clarke had two daughters (Elizabeth and Sarah) and a son Thomas who it is said upset his father by going into the church (vicar of Micheldever in Wiltshire for more than 50 years) rather than his family business. Perhaps by Elizabeth marrying Pierce Rice he hoped to keep the family business going.
In the event it seems this William’s granddaughter Anna Rice kept the Clarke connection going through marrying a tobacco importer Robert Chambers, who is shown as a mortgagor in 1855 for her cousin William Clarke the tobacco manufacturer, when buying land later to become part of his Farren (or Farran) estate.
The details of young George Nelson Rice’s untimely demise fits in with family lore, that he was training for the church. Again it may mean nothing but I note that two of the inscriptions on gravestones at Ballinaboy refer to a George Rice, I can’t make out the first one but the second was erected by Geo Rice in memory of his father Thomas who died in 1806; perhaps George Nelson, born in 1806, was named after him - and Nelson’s victory at Trafalgar of course??
I would love to have copies of the photos you mentioned - I am planning a visit to Cork next month to do a bit more digging, PM to follow! With regards
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Hi Woodchurch,
Just to say I sent you the photos a few days ago , did you get them??
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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hi all! i have made some new discoveries!! anne rice good married again in 1869 to edward bird after thomas good died in 1867. anne rice died in 1879 aged 49. i wonder if she is buried in ballinaboy cemetery?
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Hi JTyner,
Had a look at my headstone photos for Ballinaboy and I don't have any for "Bird" surname.
I do have a few Bird headstones for Ballymoden in Bandon but none for Ann.
Ballinaboy is now on www.historicgraves.com
see
http://historicgraves.com/graveyard/ballinaboy/co-bnby
They are not indexed by name so you would have to go through all of them to see if any
"Bird" ones in them.
Mary
Celtic Liberty
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Hello all. Mary, thanks for posting those photos -they're incredible ! John, I sent you a msg elsewhere. My g-g-grandmother was Mary Rice, married to William Bradfield, and I believe Ann Rice was her sister. I also believe that Ann's husband Thomas Good is related to my Good's - William & Mary's daughter (my g-grandmother) Beatrice Maud Bradfield married Robert Joseph Good, son of a (different) Thomas Good.
The surname Bird is also interesting. One of my Bradfields - John Richard Bradfield (s.o. William & Mary) married Mary Elizabeth Tanner, whose mother was Eliza Bird. And one of my g.g.uncles - a brother of my Thomas Good - named his daughter Mary Bird Good... and I suspect her mother was a Bird. I'm still working on that connection. They wound up coming to Canada around 1921.
Shannon
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For woodchurch
I grew up on part of Clarke estate
Heard many anecdotes growing up
would like to private message you but not yet allowed to
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Hello, I believe my GGGgrandfather to be George Rice Ballinaboy. 1851 Robert Rice (widower) marries Elizabeth Connor, father of groom George Rice Ballinaboy. 1878 Samuel Rice (my Ggrandfather) marries Catherine Mulcahy, father of groom Robert Rice Tulligmore. I have been trying to get a link to James Rice d.1878, possibly Sarah Rice Ballinhassig who he married in 1833 may have been George's daughter as James is listed as being from Old Abbey, the names on both sides correlate very well ,Robert, John, Elizabeth, Jane, Mary, Catherine and Margaret. Any information will be appreciated kieran
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Hi Kieran, I was wondering if Samuel rice was connected as he was at gogginshill where James was also. Would you consider doing a dna test to check if we are related? I have done dna on ftdna and got 23andme kit too. George rice was son of James as he erected the gravestone. I also was wondering about the Sarah rice marriage in 1833 but need to confirm if my Anne was born 1830 or not. Your George could be brother or son of James. We must keep in touch.
John in wicklow
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Through kierans help, we have found out james's father was george rice of rathmacullig. I am guessing he may be the george son of thomas who died 1806 but thats speculation on my part. Its great sorting all these rices out! I wonder did they come from antrim originally? John
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If you are talking about his latest wife eliza wolfe, yes i got those bits thankyou that was most helpful.