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Title: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Tuesday 20 July 10 03:16 BST (UK)
Hello everyone,

I've just joined to-day and am eager to do some looking around and finding anyone with an interest in some of my family surnames. I've been doing family research for some years but to-day i have a question about finding any details on-line in connection to County Louth, Northern Ireland. I have only recently found out that my great grandmother Margaret Honeyford nee Reid was born in County Louth. Her father's name was Edward Reid and she was born approximately 1860 and died 19/7/1946 in The Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook, Co. Armagh. Does anyone know where I can start ? 
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Tuesday 20 July 10 12:38 BST (UK)
First I would mention that County Louth is not in Northern Ireland. (Northern Ireland consists of 6 counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry/Derry & Tyrone). The other 26 counties, including Louth, are in the Republic of Ireland. The significance, from your perspective, is that some records for the 6 NI counties are in Belfast, whereas those for the Republic are in Dublin. (A lot of Irish records are not on line, so you need to know where to start looking for paper records).

One fairly easy option for you, if you know where your ancestors lived, is to find them in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. This is free and on line and covers all 32 counties: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/


Elwyn
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 20 July 10 13:18 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat. To start with I've moved this thread to Ireland-General board because more than one county in Ireland is involved.

... my great grandmother Margaret Honeyford nee Reid was born in County Louth. Her father's name was Edward Reid and she was born approximately 1860 and died 19/7/1946 in The Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook, Co. Armagh.
Perhaps this should read that Margaret attended the Quaker Meeting House in Bessbrook?
There is a marriage on LDS Pilot site for James Honeyford to Margaret Reid 17 Feb.1881 (National Register of Quakers).
Here's the family in 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/Church_Road/306123/
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: kingskerswell on Tuesday 20 July 10 13:35 BST (UK)
Hi, 
   The 1901 census also gives two sons. Family were living at the same location. The 1881 marriage occurred at Lurgan Society of Friends, Co. Armagh.

Regards
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Wednesday 21 July 10 00:27 BST (UK)
Many thanks for replying and especially to Elwyn for pointing out that county Louth is not in Northern Ireland.
I found both Margaret and James Honeyford and the family on both the 1901 and 1911 census and have the details of their marriage, children and deaths. They lived above the Society of Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook for many years as caretakers. I was fortunate enough on my first visit there in 1997 to meet the caretaker who allowed me to go inside and was the only person old enough to remember my grandmother Lucretia !
I have a lot of information on the Honeyford ancestors but have been unable to find many details on Margaret nee Reid , except that she was born in Co. Louth estimated 1860 and that her father was Edward Reid . If I could find her birth certificate , it would probably give me details of her parents. Any suggestions ?
 
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Thursday 22 July 10 10:29 BST (UK)
Statutory records of births only started in Ireland in 1864, so if you are sure Margaret was born before that, then there will be no birth certificate. Normally a birth at that time may be recorded in the parish register, but to find that you need to know her religion and parish in Louth. I note that she married at a Society of Friends (Quaker) meeting house.  Do you know if she was a Quaker prior to her marriage?  I ask because my understanding is that Quakers do not baptize children, and so presumably would not record a birth in a parish register, as most other religions do.  (But I could be wrong about that - other readers might know).  Or you could ask the Society of Friends what records they keep, and what meeting houses they had in Louth in 1860.

Familysearch has a submitted record of Margaret Reid b 1860 (location not stated) to an Edward Austin Reid. The submitters contact details in the US are shown, so you can pursue that if you want. (Treat submitted entries with some caution. Not everyone is sufficiently rigorous with their information and reliability can vary).

I looked at Griffiths Valuation for land owners in Co Louth in 1868. No REIDs are recorded, so no clues there.

Elwyn
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Friday 23 July 10 00:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Elwyn,

I do have Margaret's death certificate details which says she was aged 86 when she died 19/7/1946 at The Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook. I don't know whether she was a Qauaker before her marriage to James Honeyford on 17/1/1881, Newry. I'll try your suggestions with the hope that I can get some more details.
Many thanks,
Janice
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Purpeller on Friday 23 July 10 14:31 BST (UK)
http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com/

Check out the above website for Louth genealogy.  The site owner has included a lot of information for the county collected from his personal research.  He did the course in UCD that I'm doing, so I would expect he's been thorough.

There is a Quaker library, they used to be beside the National Archives but I can't remember where they moved to.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: honeyford on Monday 18 July 11 00:05 BST (UK)
dear janice your grandmother was my grandmothers sister.  I live in co down northern ireland.  I read your posts and recognised my family connection.  Our common ancestor margaret reid lived in carlingford co louth and her son edward hunniford married a cork girl from spike island called eleanor batson who had a plumber for a brother,  she was a cook. my gran muriel was the eldest daughter with your gran lucretia being younger and there was five of them edward being one granny was real upset when he died in july 1975.  I would love to hear from you   love julie
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Monday 18 July 11 03:32 BST (UK)
Dear Julie,

What a bolt out of the blue ! I have never heard that my grandmother Lucretia had an older sister  named Muriel . As far as I knew, there were 5 children - Edward Benjamin b. 1882 who did indeed marry Eleanor Batson, James Annesley b. 1885 who died young in 1907 from TB, Lucretia b. 1886 who emigrated to Australia in 1922, married my grandfather James Holdsworth in 1923 d. 1968,   Mary Georgina ( sometimes known as Minnie ) who married Isaac " Sheltie " Moore in 1942, and also emigrated to Australia in 1949 d. 1960, Gregory b. 1892 who died aged nearly two in 1894.
I have visited Bessbrook twice since 1997 and made contact with a number of relatives including some of the offspring of Edward's family now living in England.
I would LOVE to hear from you and compare notes.
If you'd like to contact me directly my email address is (*)

Really look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Janice :)

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Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Monday 18 July 11 04:26 BST (UK)
Hello Julie,

I think I have solved the mystery after looking more carefully at my family tree !
The Lucretia you were referring to was Lucretia Maud b. 1912 and she had siblings Muriel b. 1910, James Ernest b. 1914, Edward b. 1918 who was the one you referred to as dying in 1975, Wilbur b. 1922. Their parents were of course Edward Benjamin Honeyford / Hunniford and Rosslyn Batson.
So in fact my grandmother Luretia b. in 1886 was an Aunt of your grandmother Muriel.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Janice :)
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Sunday 14 August 11 03:51 BST (UK)
Hi Julie,

Did you get my last personal message giving you my email address ?
I've just been emailing another cousin Eric Honeyford who lives near Belfast about hearing from you. He actually knew our great grandmother Margaret Honeyford nee Reid.
Look forward to hearing from you when you have time.
Best wishes, Janice
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 14 August 11 10:29 BST (UK)
New members usually need 2/3 posts to use PM system and Julie only has 1 so far- she might not have gotten your message but if she did she probably won't be able to PM you back yet.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: HugoBeauchamp on Monday 15 August 11 14:44 BST (UK)
Julie

May I suggest that you post a couple of appropriate messages (short) on the Cork & Down boards so that you can then have access to the Personal Message (PM) facility?

H
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 15 August 11 14:47 BST (UK)
Julie can post on this thread and once she has 3 posts will be able to use PM system.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: grantsworth on Wednesday 17 August 11 02:29 BST (UK)
Many thanks to everyone for the helpful suggestions re : Julie getting in touch with me again. I did send her a personal message, so hopefully I will hear from her again and be able to exchange family information.  :)
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: honeyford on Friday 26 August 11 21:12 BST (UK)
Dear janice  I am having trouble with my computer sending emails it is mobile broadband and is very unreliable.  I have sent you a couple of emails but am not very good at it.  I really love hearing from you and will keep trying to contact you via email.  My dad is really interested in this family research as my granny lost contact with her family in  1929.  Granny was always very attached to carlingford where the reids lived but all she ever said was it was up a mountain where she lived.  All the family here says hi.

lots of love

julie ::)
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Saturday 23 September 17 15:04 BST (UK)
Hi Am searching for information about my mother Muriel Honeyford born 20 th march 1910 derramore house Bessbrook Father Edward and mother Eleanor Never meet my grandparents They were Quakers
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Saturday 23 September 17 15:22 BST (UK)
Hi Am searching for information about my mother Muriel Honeyford born 20 th march 1910 derramore house Bessbrook Father Edward and mother Eleanor Never meet my grandparents They were Quakers

Family in 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/West_Street/306740/

Muriel’s birth:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01575/1634946.pdf

Parents marriage in 1909 (Bessbrook Church of Ireland).

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10025/5646412.pdf

Edward in 1901 with his parents:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Camlough/Church_Place/1036331/

Probably Ellen Batson in 1901 (place of birth is Cork in 1911 census. Ellen & Eleanor are interchangeable).

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__5/Prosperity_Square/1115684/

Probably worth asking the administrators to separate this thread from previous conversations and put it on the Co Armagh board.

Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Saturday 23 September 17 20:52 BST (UK)
Thank you for this information It has helped me on my way to discover my ancestors I was wondering if also i could trace my fathers people He was born in Ballyshannon co donegal 12 th auguat 1903 Know very little about him but think his father was in the army Didnt ask to many questions when i was younger Thank you for your help
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 23 September 17 20:56 BST (UK)
Thank you for this information It has helped me on my way to discover my ancestors I was wondering if also i could trace my fathers people He was born in Ballyshannon co donegal 12 th auguat 1903 Know very little about him but think his father was in the army Didnt ask to many questions when i was younger Thank you for your help

You can check here for his birth certificate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

If he was in Ireland in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Saturday 23 September 17 21:17 BST (UK)
Thank you but no record Maybe because his father was in the army
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 23 September 17 21:19 BST (UK)
Thank you but no record Maybe because his father was in the army

We could probably help if we had an idea of names  :-\
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Sunday 24 September 17 06:59 BST (UK)
Hi My fathers name was Robert Arthur Steele Sorry should have said before I do not know what his fathers first names were as i cant remember ever meeting them All i know is that he was stationed in the army barracks in Ballyshannon and then moved to Newry Not sure what year that was But i was born in newry in 1946 Thanks for any help you can gave me
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 24 September 17 07:40 BST (UK)
Parents John Steele and Mary Sims
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01859/1724126.pdf
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 24 September 17 07:43 BST (UK)
And his brother George in 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01943/1751011.pdf
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 24 September 17 07:48 BST (UK)
1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Ballyshannon_Urban/East_Rock_Street/1165903/
1911 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newry_West_Urban/Erskine_Place/254740/

Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 24 September 17 07:52 BST (UK)
Lionel 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02029/1777811.pdf
Andrew 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02109/1802724.pdf
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: dathai on Sunday 24 September 17 09:06 BST (UK)
Children of John Alfred or John Fred Steele,  India
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kru/

go back to page 1
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 24 September 17 09:31 BST (UK)
1901 census gives John Alfred Steele born Canada but 1911 shows birthplace as Halifax B N A [British North America i.e. Canada].

Chelsea Pensioner's Service Records- John Alfred Steele born 1860 Nova Scotia-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CJ-VQH
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 24 September 17 09:54 BST (UK)
Looks like the married in 1879
Pembroke district England.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: dathai on Sunday 24 September 17 10:08 BST (UK)
Agnes 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Clare/112423/

possibly married Percy John Fleming 1916 in Clonmel her father given as Sergeant R G Artillery
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09773/5547259.pdf

Percy 1901 ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96Y-Y1F
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Sunday 24 September 17 10:13 BST (UK)
Thank you This is brilliant
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Sunday 24 September 17 12:55 BST (UK)
Hi Sorry was wondering if i could find out what regiment my grandfather was in Thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: dathai on Sunday 24 September 17 13:51 BST (UK)
Seems a bit late possibly just coincidence ?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5369386
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Sunday 24 September 17 13:58 BST (UK)
Thank you You are a gem will be back for more
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Sunday 24 September 17 19:24 BST (UK)
Hi sorry But would you know where john alfred steele and mary ann steele are buried Thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 25 September 17 10:33 BST (UK)
Do you have their death certificates? place of burial will not be shown but would give you an area to start searching in.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 12:21 BST (UK)
Sorry dont have death certificates
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 12:39 BST (UK)
Just looking at census for my grandfather john alfred steele noticed that in 1901 his age was 41 then in 1911 his age was 57 Was one of these an error Juat curious Thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 14:44 BST (UK)
Just looking at census for my grandfather john alfred steele noticed that in 1901 his age was 41 then in 1911 his age was 57 Was one of these an error Juat curious Thank you

If you look at the original image it looks like 52 not 57, but either way it's fairly normal for ages not to be correct, people weren't as aware of their age as we are today, people fibbed in the hope of getting an Old Age Pension, people wanted to appear closer in age to husband/wife and so on.


Have a look at the 2 on Alexander's age.

It's always worth looking at all the pages, for example on the House and Building return you can learn a lot about the house and in this case the landlords name.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 17:15 BST (UK)
Could i please ask if it is possible to trace my grandmother Eleanor Batson Think she was born 1881 And think her parents were Fredrick and Jane Batson May have been born in Carlingford not sure Think they were church of ireland Thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 18:37 BST (UK)
This would be Eleanor mother of Muriel, wife of Edward Honeyford?
Her father is Fredrick on her marriage cert in 1909 and already dead.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10025/5646412.pdf
Muriel and family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/West_Street/306740/
gives Eleanor's birth place as Cork.

and Elwyn already gave you a likely link to Eleanor living with her brother George and their mother Jane in Cork in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__5/Prosperity_Square/1115684/
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 18:48 BST (UK)
Thank you Just me being stupid
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 18:53 BST (UK)
George also gives his father as Fredrick on his marriage, with an occupation of Seaman.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10511/5828556.pdf
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 19:02 BST (UK)
There is a birth of a George Joseph Batson to Fredrick a Seaman and Jane Chapman 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03190/2169823.pdf
and Elenaor in 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02912/2067065.pdf
and possibly a few more children but one of interest
Job in 1883 has no father named, may indicate when their father died
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02707/1996739.pdf
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 19:05 BST (UK)
Thsnk you You are all brilliant
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 19:39 BST (UK)
Sorry cant get the last three links open
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 19:39 BST (UK)
Fredrick and Jane appeared to have married in 1867 Cork no image yet on Irish Genealogy
but FamilySearch have father's names
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZY-KQY
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 19:40 BST (UK)
Sorry cant get the last three links open

I'll have a another go with them when I get home, at work just now so computer is a bit funny sometimes.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 19:55 BST (UK)
Thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 20:18 BST (UK)
Home now,
the links are opening for me.
Is it the pages to get to the images you are having trouble with?
The Captcha
or the Section 61 Page
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Monday 25 September 17 20:24 BST (UK)
Batson certs
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Monday 25 September 17 21:13 BST (UK)
The ones for Batson Certs But you have opened them and that is brilliant I downloaded them but my phone wouldnt allow me to open them Said something like it was decoding them and just a blank screen But no worries you have opened them for me Thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Tuesday 26 September 17 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi I was wondering if it is possible to trace my grandfather John Alfred Steele born Halifax Nova Scotia Who his parents were. Born appox 1860 thank you
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 26 September 17 07:47 BST (UK)
Probably best to ask on the Canada board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/canada/
Be sure to give a link to this thread and give all the information you have on him.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 26 September 17 08:46 BST (UK)
Just in case there are two men of same name
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB5-24JT

his age appears to be 52 in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002269482/
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Tuesday 26 September 17 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi That is strange Both have same dates of birth 1860 and both were born in Halifax only thing one is in England and the other is in Canada could this be so ?
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 26 September 17 15:41 BST (UK)
It's a transcribed record so you would need to see the original, the Yorkshire England may have been assumed.
Title: Re: Information on County Louth, Nth Ireland
Post by: Noel Steele on Tuesday 26 September 17 16:12 BST (UK)
Thank you