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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: grantsworth on Tuesday 20 July 10 03:16 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I've just joined to-day and am eager to do some looking around and finding anyone with an interest in some of my family surnames. I've been doing family research for some years but to-day i have a question about finding any details on-line in connection to County Louth, Northern Ireland. I have only recently found out that my great grandmother Margaret Honeyford nee Reid was born in County Louth. Her father's name was Edward Reid and she was born approximately 1860 and died 19/7/1946 in The Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook, Co. Armagh. Does anyone know where I can start ?
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First I would mention that County Louth is not in Northern Ireland. (Northern Ireland consists of 6 counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry/Derry & Tyrone). The other 26 counties, including Louth, are in the Republic of Ireland. The significance, from your perspective, is that some records for the 6 NI counties are in Belfast, whereas those for the Republic are in Dublin. (A lot of Irish records are not on line, so you need to know where to start looking for paper records).
One fairly easy option for you, if you know where your ancestors lived, is to find them in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. This is free and on line and covers all 32 counties: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
Elwyn
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Welcome to Rootschat. To start with I've moved this thread to Ireland-General board because more than one county in Ireland is involved.
... my great grandmother Margaret Honeyford nee Reid was born in County Louth. Her father's name was Edward Reid and she was born approximately 1860 and died 19/7/1946 in The Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook, Co. Armagh.
Perhaps this should read that Margaret attended the Quaker Meeting House in Bessbrook?
There is a marriage on LDS Pilot site for James Honeyford to Margaret Reid 17 Feb.1881 (National Register of Quakers).
Here's the family in 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/Church_Road/306123/
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Hi,
The 1901 census also gives two sons. Family were living at the same location. The 1881 marriage occurred at Lurgan Society of Friends, Co. Armagh.
Regards
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Many thanks for replying and especially to Elwyn for pointing out that county Louth is not in Northern Ireland.
I found both Margaret and James Honeyford and the family on both the 1901 and 1911 census and have the details of their marriage, children and deaths. They lived above the Society of Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook for many years as caretakers. I was fortunate enough on my first visit there in 1997 to meet the caretaker who allowed me to go inside and was the only person old enough to remember my grandmother Lucretia !
I have a lot of information on the Honeyford ancestors but have been unable to find many details on Margaret nee Reid , except that she was born in Co. Louth estimated 1860 and that her father was Edward Reid . If I could find her birth certificate , it would probably give me details of her parents. Any suggestions ?
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Statutory records of births only started in Ireland in 1864, so if you are sure Margaret was born before that, then there will be no birth certificate. Normally a birth at that time may be recorded in the parish register, but to find that you need to know her religion and parish in Louth. I note that she married at a Society of Friends (Quaker) meeting house. Do you know if she was a Quaker prior to her marriage? I ask because my understanding is that Quakers do not baptize children, and so presumably would not record a birth in a parish register, as most other religions do. (But I could be wrong about that - other readers might know). Or you could ask the Society of Friends what records they keep, and what meeting houses they had in Louth in 1860.
Familysearch has a submitted record of Margaret Reid b 1860 (location not stated) to an Edward Austin Reid. The submitters contact details in the US are shown, so you can pursue that if you want. (Treat submitted entries with some caution. Not everyone is sufficiently rigorous with their information and reliability can vary).
I looked at Griffiths Valuation for land owners in Co Louth in 1868. No REIDs are recorded, so no clues there.
Elwyn
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Thanks Elwyn,
I do have Margaret's death certificate details which says she was aged 86 when she died 19/7/1946 at The Friends Meeting House in Bessbrook. I don't know whether she was a Qauaker before her marriage to James Honeyford on 17/1/1881, Newry. I'll try your suggestions with the hope that I can get some more details.
Many thanks,
Janice
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http://www.jbhall.freeservers.com/
Check out the above website for Louth genealogy. The site owner has included a lot of information for the county collected from his personal research. He did the course in UCD that I'm doing, so I would expect he's been thorough.
There is a Quaker library, they used to be beside the National Archives but I can't remember where they moved to.
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dear janice your grandmother was my grandmothers sister. I live in co down northern ireland. I read your posts and recognised my family connection. Our common ancestor margaret reid lived in carlingford co louth and her son edward hunniford married a cork girl from spike island called eleanor batson who had a plumber for a brother, she was a cook. my gran muriel was the eldest daughter with your gran lucretia being younger and there was five of them edward being one granny was real upset when he died in july 1975. I would love to hear from you love julie
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Dear Julie,
What a bolt out of the blue ! I have never heard that my grandmother Lucretia had an older sister named Muriel . As far as I knew, there were 5 children - Edward Benjamin b. 1882 who did indeed marry Eleanor Batson, James Annesley b. 1885 who died young in 1907 from TB, Lucretia b. 1886 who emigrated to Australia in 1922, married my grandfather James Holdsworth in 1923 d. 1968, Mary Georgina ( sometimes known as Minnie ) who married Isaac " Sheltie " Moore in 1942, and also emigrated to Australia in 1949 d. 1960, Gregory b. 1892 who died aged nearly two in 1894.
I have visited Bessbrook twice since 1997 and made contact with a number of relatives including some of the offspring of Edward's family now living in England.
I would LOVE to hear from you and compare notes.
If you'd like to contact me directly my email address is (*)
Really look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes
Janice :)
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Hello Julie,
I think I have solved the mystery after looking more carefully at my family tree !
The Lucretia you were referring to was Lucretia Maud b. 1912 and she had siblings Muriel b. 1910, James Ernest b. 1914, Edward b. 1918 who was the one you referred to as dying in 1975, Wilbur b. 1922. Their parents were of course Edward Benjamin Honeyford / Hunniford and Rosslyn Batson.
So in fact my grandmother Luretia b. in 1886 was an Aunt of your grandmother Muriel.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Janice :)
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Hi Julie,
Did you get my last personal message giving you my email address ?
I've just been emailing another cousin Eric Honeyford who lives near Belfast about hearing from you. He actually knew our great grandmother Margaret Honeyford nee Reid.
Look forward to hearing from you when you have time.
Best wishes, Janice
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New members usually need 2/3 posts to use PM system and Julie only has 1 so far- she might not have gotten your message but if she did she probably won't be able to PM you back yet.
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Julie
May I suggest that you post a couple of appropriate messages (short) on the Cork & Down boards so that you can then have access to the Personal Message (PM) facility?
H
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Julie can post on this thread and once she has 3 posts will be able to use PM system.
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Many thanks to everyone for the helpful suggestions re : Julie getting in touch with me again. I did send her a personal message, so hopefully I will hear from her again and be able to exchange family information. :)
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Dear janice I am having trouble with my computer sending emails it is mobile broadband and is very unreliable. I have sent you a couple of emails but am not very good at it. I really love hearing from you and will keep trying to contact you via email. My dad is really interested in this family research as my granny lost contact with her family in 1929. Granny was always very attached to carlingford where the reids lived but all she ever said was it was up a mountain where she lived. All the family here says hi.
lots of love
julie ::)
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Hi Am searching for information about my mother Muriel Honeyford born 20 th march 1910 derramore house Bessbrook Father Edward and mother Eleanor Never meet my grandparents They were Quakers
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Hi Am searching for information about my mother Muriel Honeyford born 20 th march 1910 derramore house Bessbrook Father Edward and mother Eleanor Never meet my grandparents They were Quakers
Family in 1911 census:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/West_Street/306740/
Muriel’s birth:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01575/1634946.pdf
Parents marriage in 1909 (Bessbrook Church of Ireland).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10025/5646412.pdf
Edward in 1901 with his parents:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Camlough/Church_Place/1036331/
Probably Ellen Batson in 1901 (place of birth is Cork in 1911 census. Ellen & Eleanor are interchangeable).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__5/Prosperity_Square/1115684/
Probably worth asking the administrators to separate this thread from previous conversations and put it on the Co Armagh board.
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Thank you for this information It has helped me on my way to discover my ancestors I was wondering if also i could trace my fathers people He was born in Ballyshannon co donegal 12 th auguat 1903 Know very little about him but think his father was in the army Didnt ask to many questions when i was younger Thank you for your help
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Thank you for this information It has helped me on my way to discover my ancestors I was wondering if also i could trace my fathers people He was born in Ballyshannon co donegal 12 th auguat 1903 Know very little about him but think his father was in the army Didnt ask to many questions when i was younger Thank you for your help
You can check here for his birth certificate-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
If he was in Ireland in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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Thank you but no record Maybe because his father was in the army
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Thank you but no record Maybe because his father was in the army
We could probably help if we had an idea of names :-\
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Hi My fathers name was Robert Arthur Steele Sorry should have said before I do not know what his fathers first names were as i cant remember ever meeting them All i know is that he was stationed in the army barracks in Ballyshannon and then moved to Newry Not sure what year that was But i was born in newry in 1946 Thanks for any help you can gave me
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Parents John Steele and Mary Sims
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01859/1724126.pdf
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And his brother George in 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01943/1751011.pdf
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1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Ballyshannon_Urban/East_Rock_Street/1165903/
1911 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newry_West_Urban/Erskine_Place/254740/
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Lionel 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02029/1777811.pdf
Andrew 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02109/1802724.pdf
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Children of John Alfred or John Fred Steele, India
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kru/
go back to page 1
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1901 census gives John Alfred Steele born Canada but 1911 shows birthplace as Halifax B N A [British North America i.e. Canada].
Chelsea Pensioner's Service Records- John Alfred Steele born 1860 Nova Scotia-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5CJ-VQH
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Looks like the married in 1879
Pembroke district England.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Agnes 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Clare/112423/
possibly married Percy John Fleming 1916 in Clonmel her father given as Sergeant R G Artillery
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1916/09773/5547259.pdf
Percy 1901 ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96Y-Y1F
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Thank you This is brilliant
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Hi Sorry was wondering if i could find out what regiment my grandfather was in Thank you
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Seems a bit late possibly just coincidence ?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5369386
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Thank you You are a gem will be back for more
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Hi sorry But would you know where john alfred steele and mary ann steele are buried Thank you
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Do you have their death certificates? place of burial will not be shown but would give you an area to start searching in.
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Sorry dont have death certificates
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Just looking at census for my grandfather john alfred steele noticed that in 1901 his age was 41 then in 1911 his age was 57 Was one of these an error Juat curious Thank you
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Just looking at census for my grandfather john alfred steele noticed that in 1901 his age was 41 then in 1911 his age was 57 Was one of these an error Juat curious Thank you
If you look at the original image it looks like 52 not 57, but either way it's fairly normal for ages not to be correct, people weren't as aware of their age as we are today, people fibbed in the hope of getting an Old Age Pension, people wanted to appear closer in age to husband/wife and so on.
Have a look at the 2 on Alexander's age.
It's always worth looking at all the pages, for example on the House and Building return you can learn a lot about the house and in this case the landlords name.
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Could i please ask if it is possible to trace my grandmother Eleanor Batson Think she was born 1881 And think her parents were Fredrick and Jane Batson May have been born in Carlingford not sure Think they were church of ireland Thank you
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This would be Eleanor mother of Muriel, wife of Edward Honeyford?
Her father is Fredrick on her marriage cert in 1909 and already dead.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10025/5646412.pdf
Muriel and family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Camlough/West_Street/306740/
gives Eleanor's birth place as Cork.
and Elwyn already gave you a likely link to Eleanor living with her brother George and their mother Jane in Cork in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__5/Prosperity_Square/1115684/
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Thank you Just me being stupid
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George also gives his father as Fredrick on his marriage, with an occupation of Seaman.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10511/5828556.pdf
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There is a birth of a George Joseph Batson to Fredrick a Seaman and Jane Chapman 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03190/2169823.pdf
and Elenaor in 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02912/2067065.pdf
and possibly a few more children but one of interest
Job in 1883 has no father named, may indicate when their father died
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02707/1996739.pdf
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Thsnk you You are all brilliant
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Sorry cant get the last three links open
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Fredrick and Jane appeared to have married in 1867 Cork no image yet on Irish Genealogy
but FamilySearch have father's names
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZY-KQY
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Sorry cant get the last three links open
I'll have a another go with them when I get home, at work just now so computer is a bit funny sometimes.
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Thank you
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Home now,
the links are opening for me.
Is it the pages to get to the images you are having trouble with?
The Captcha
or the Section 61 Page
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Batson certs
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The ones for Batson Certs But you have opened them and that is brilliant I downloaded them but my phone wouldnt allow me to open them Said something like it was decoding them and just a blank screen But no worries you have opened them for me Thank you
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Hi I was wondering if it is possible to trace my grandfather John Alfred Steele born Halifax Nova Scotia Who his parents were. Born appox 1860 thank you
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Probably best to ask on the Canada board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/canada/
Be sure to give a link to this thread and give all the information you have on him.
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Just in case there are two men of same name
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVB5-24JT
his age appears to be 52 in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002269482/
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Hi That is strange Both have same dates of birth 1860 and both were born in Halifax only thing one is in England and the other is in Canada could this be so ?
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It's a transcribed record so you would need to see the original, the Yorkshire England may have been assumed.
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Thank you