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I have had some brilliant help from RootsChat people in tracking this family but now I am totally stuck. Can anyone help either finding or perhaps helping me understand why whole families can disappear for 20 years then reappear? I have trawled every census using different spelling, wild cards etc but they remain hidden. I have listed the info. I have below (sorry its so long) but the essential mystery to me is where did they go for 20 years?
1.1863
On the 13th of December 1863 Patrick Mullaney married Elizabeth Jane Bluett at the registry office in Stoke Damerel Devon.
Rank or Profession;Private in the 2nd Queens Royal Regiment
Residence at time of marriage: Raglan Barracks Devonport
Father’s Name and Surname; John Mullaney
Father’s Rank or Profession; Harness maker (master) Dublin Ireland
2.1865Birth of John Mullaney in Devonport
3.1866Birth of Patrick Mullaney in Elizabeth Cork
4.1867Birth of Robert Alfred Mullaney in Milton. On the 23rd of November 1867 Robert Alfred Mulleney (Mullaney) was born in Church Road, Murston, Sub –district, Milton, Sittingbourne, Kent.Occupation of father;A General Labourer
5.1871The 1871 census records Patrick Mullany (Mullaney) Elizabeth and the children living at 1, Alice Street, Plymouth, Devon. The birthplace of the fourth child Peter (3 months old in census) is recorded as Plymouth.
Rank or Profession (Patrick); Travelling Tinker
Rank or Profession (Elizabeth); Chair caning
This census record is the only source of information on Patrick’s birth place. The script is very difficult to read as the first half of the word is covered by a pencil line. word looks like or could be Castlereah (see copy in documents). Suppose it could be Castlereagh Belfast or Castlereagh Co. Mayo, or Castlerea Roscommon.
RG10; Piece: 2120; Folio: 96; Page:27
No further census records for any of the Mullaneys for 20 years i.e. until 1891. There is a possible record for John in 1881. Living at the Barracks, Barrack St Sunderland Durham John is a Private. RG11; Piece: 5001; Folio:25; Page: 43
6.1885 On the 12th of September 1885 Robert Alfred Mullaney married Sarah Davison at The church of St Albans, Heworth, Durham (Heworth also known as Windy Nook).
Fathers Name and Surname;William Patrick Mullaney Rank or profession; Miner
7.1891censusRobert Alfred Mullaney and family living 3 Oxford St Hindley, Wigan, Lancashire
RG12; Piece: 3058; Folio 122; Page 38
8.1901censusRobert Alfred Mullaney and family living 6 Frank St Monkwearmouth Sunderland Durham, RG13; Piece: 4723; Folio: 244; Page:36
9.1911censusRobert Alfred Mullaney and family living 114 Hood St Monkwearmouth Sunderland Durham
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Okay, possible; in Durham in 1881 there are a family who are indexed as "Linsky", at Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow
William Linsky, 29, b. Winlaton, Durham (in 1871 he is a boarder in Durham)
Elizabeth, 32, b. Exeter
Patrick, 15, b. Cork Ireland
Robert, 13, b. Kent
Peter, 10, b. Plymouth (Plymouth birth of Peter Mullany)
Margaret, 8, b. Plymouth (Plymouth birth of Margaret Mullaney)
Elizabeth, 6, b. Plymouth
Patrick Mullan(e)y + William Linsky, miner = "William Patrick Mullaney, miner"?
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html then shows several christenings of Linskey children with mother Elizabeth Blewett/Bluett
I think William Linskey and Elizabeth Mullaney finally married in Gateshead district in 1893. What happened to Patrick is not clear.
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Jorose Thank you so much for this, it looks like a real winner. I am going to check it out right away.
Jen
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Jorose I am very grateful for this. I have looked at the 1881c and the 1891c. The information in 1881 does fit the ages and birth places of the 4 Mullaney boys. William Linskey and Elizabeth are in Heworth on the 1891c and although none of the sons are there. Heworth is where Robert married in 1885.
How did you find the 1881 record?
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I looked for Peter b. Plymouth 1871, no surname, and saw there was one living in Durham, then noticed the siblings and mother's names matched.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html does show Elizabeth Jane Mullaney marrying in 1899 in Gateshead, father William, who might be the 6 year old girl listed in 1881 but I can't see a birth for her as Mullan(e)y or Linskey.
Having another look at freebmd there's a 41 year old William Patrick Mullaney death in 1879. The boys might have (like John had perhaps already done by 1881) felt the need to get out of the house and earn their own way as soon as possible, for one reason or another.
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Thank you again Jorose, that is a really good tip, I will use it again if I am in the same or similar situation with other relatives.
If William Patrick died in 1879, two years before the census then I suppose Elizabeth, the widow Mullaney, being quite young would look for another husband, otherwise how was she to support herself and six children, a very long way from Exeter and any relatives and the Welfare State in a long way distant future it must have been dreadfully hard.
Very selfishly however, in the "modern" world this has really helped me to continue to piece together the journeys that Patrick, soldier, travelling tinker and miner and Elizabeth, lace maker, chair caner and miner's wife made in their world.
Thanks Jorose really appreciated
Jen
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Jorose - just a quick one. What is family search? I get info. from Ancestry, do I have to pay for family search? Only been doing family research since February 2010 so I would welcome any advice as to which data base holds what. I also have to add that I am becoming obsessive and won't let go until I can find that link.
Jen
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Hi
Thought I would answer as Jorose is offline. www.familysearch.org is a site we all use. It is free and provided by the LDS church. It has many parish records on it and if they are marked as extracted they are usually accurate. You need to be wary of member submitted ones as they may be just guesswork. Have a look at the tips on the Beginners' board and you should find other ideas to help you search too. Usually our various county Resource boards have lots of links too.
Regards
Andrea
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Thanks for that sillgen, is that the Latter Day Saints site? I will check it.
Jen
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Actually I think I want to cry or scream............. I have just tried to get info from www.familysearch.org but, probably because I am doing it wrong I can't find anything. Why am I so inept?
Please help.
Jen
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As Sillgen is now offline, I thought I'd answer you.
You probably aren't inept (in fact, I'm sure you aren't :D ).
Perhaps you aren't looking on the pilot site of family search, the two parts are linked, but sometimes it's not easy to go from one part to the other.
Both I and my computer are having an inept attack at the moment, so apologies if my post has been coming and going and generally not making sense. :-[
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The main familysearch.org site is the easiest to start with. If you click on Search Records at the top then choose Advanced Search from the drop down list you get various options. Your best bet at first is to go to the IGI (International Genealogical Index). When you have that search box up you can specify which region, country and county you want to search in and that will make it easier. You need to put two names in really otherwise you will get far too many matches.
The pilot site takes you into images of actual parish registers and is very useful - but better once you have an idea of dates and places from the original IGI. I could not get into from the link below either. Try this one
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#r=1;p=allCollections
Again - specify which area you want. Neither site is full coverage but they are a start.
Andrea
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Thank you so much everyone, jorose, sillgen and alpinecottage, I gave up last night out of sheer frustration but I will try all your tips later today and let you know how I get on. Thanks again.
Jen
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Hi,
my name is Kim and i think we must be distantly related. My gt gt grandmother was Elizabeth Bluett, my gt grandmother was Lilian Linskey.
I have just unearthed a newspaper article in regard to Elizabeth's death that may be of interest to you. She died from injuries sustained from an earlier 'fall' from a window in her home in Water Lane, Durham. However, her youngest child, Martin aka Lingard maintained she was pushed by her husband and it seems at the inquest he was under suspision although cleared.
I haven't got far with the Bluett line at all and was wandering if you had any info? All i know is she father was John.
I also have a photos of Elizabeth Bluett, Elizabeth Peacock nee Mullaney, Lillian, Nora, Florence & Lingard Linskey if they are of interest to you, but I'll forewarn you i'm a bit of a technophobe so it make take some time.
Regards,
Kim
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Hello Kim, Just read your message. Thank you for your information and post. I do have info I will share and would love to see your pictures. Give me a day or two and I will get it all together.
Jen
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Cheers
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Hi again,
my mam has asked me to ask you if you know of another sibling called Tom? Her gran, Lillian used to talk about him dying in the army from eating some odd "bully beef" which she tells me is corned beef.
My mam had never heard of the half siblings until i started researching apart from "our Lizzie" who she corresponded with.
My full tree is on Genes Reunited.
Thanks again,
Kim
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Hi Kim
Here is some information I have about Elizabeth Bluett, you probably have a lot of it, so sorry if I am passing on things you already know. Elizabeth wasn't John's daughter although she took his name later. I know very little about John Bluett. The only records that I can find which I am sure is him are the 1841c and his marriage to Elizabeth Yendall. John is living with Elizabeth and the two oldest children William and John in the Tiverton and Dulverton registration district. He is described as an ag lab. The family is living at Partips/Partrigs? Farm. His death record (if this is the right John Bluett) Text: Name: John Blue_T [John Bluett] Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1844 Registration District: Tiverton Inferred County: Devonshire Volume: 10 Page: 224 Free BMD.
Elizabeth Jane Passmore (Bluett) was born on the 17th of September 1848 at Kings Brompton in the registration District of Tiverton and Dulverton Somerset. This means he died about 5yrs before Elizabeth was born.
On the 1851c Elizabeth age 2, living in Back Lane, Barnstaple, Devon with her mother who is calling herself Eliza Passmore and her father William Passmore. There are four older Bluett children: William age 13, John age11, Mary age 9 and Robert age 7. This is the only time Elizabeth is recorded as Passmore, by the time of the next census she is recorded as Elizabeth Jane Bluett. Her birth was, I think unusually, registered by her father William Passmore - he made his mark. On the record he states that the mother of the child is Elizabeth Passmore late Bluitt formerly Yandell. I can't find any record of a marriage between Elizabeth and William and however long the relationship lasted he is not with the family on the next census.
1861c Elizabeth Jane is living in Salop Street, Penarth, Glamorgan, Wales with her mother who is now Elizabeth Walters, her step father William Walters and half sister Mary Ann Bluett age 19. Elizabeth, age 12 is a lacemaker.
1863 On the 13th of December 1863, age 16, Elizabeth Jane Bluett and Patrick Mullaney married at the registry office in Stoke Damerel Devon. Rank or Profession ; Lace Maker Residence at time of marriage: 7, St John Street, Devonport Father’s Name and Surname; John Bluett (deceased) Father’s Rank or Profession; Gardener (journeyman) at Exeter, Devon. Elizabeth lied about her age on the marriage certificate, she was in fact 16 at the time of the marriage not 18 and a quarter as the certificate states.
1865 Birth of John Mullaney in Devonport
1866 Birth of Patrick Mullaney in Elizabeth Cork
1867 Birth of Robert Alfred Mullaney. On the 23rd of November 1867 Robert Alfred Mullaney was born in Church Road, Murston, Sub –district, Milton, Sittingbourne, Kent.
1871 Birth of Peter Mullaney Plymouth Devon
1873 Birth of Margaret Mullaney Plymouth Devon
1875 Birth of Elizabeth Mullaney Plymouth Devon
1871 this census records Elizabeth, Patrick and the children living at 1, Alice Street, Plymouth, Devon. The birthplace of the fourth child Peter (3 months old in census) is recorded as Plymouth. Rank or Profession (Elizabeth) Chair caning
Sometime after the birth of Elizabeth in 1875 the family moved to Durham.
William Patrick died on the 5th of April 1879 at 48, Long Row, Monkwearmouth. I don't know if Elizabeth and the children were living with him at the time but by the time of the 1881c she was living with William Linskey.
1881 this census records Elizabeth Linsky living at 16 Oak Street in Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow, South Shields, Durham. With William Linsky a coalminer b. 1852 in Winlaton, Durham. Elizabeth has "taken" William's name and given all the children the name of Linskey as well. Patrick, now age 15, and a coalminer; Robert, age 13, also a coalminer; Peter, age 10, a scholar, and two more children Margaret age 8 and Elizabeth age six. Both the girls are recorded as scholars. The two girls were born in Plymouth. John, Elizabeth and Patrick’s eldest son is not on the census but there is a possible record for John in 1881. Living at the Barracks, Barrack St, Sunderland, Durham, John is a Private. (RG11; Piece: 5001; Folio: 25; Page: 43) Everyone on the census record has the name Linsky but I think it is safe to assume that all the children living with Elizabeth and William at this time are Patrick’s children. The younger of the two girls, Elizabeth, was born about 1875 and that would put the Mullaney family still in Plymouth until after this date.
1891 by the time of this census Elizabeth is living at 3, Railway Row, Heworth Durham. None of the six Mullaney children are living at this address. Elizabeth has three children, Florence N Linskey age 8, born 1883 in Washington, Nora A Linskey age 4 b. 1887 in Sunderland and Lillian F Linskey age 1 b. Jarrow.
Elizabeth married William in 1893 at Gateshead in Durham.
The 1901 census record for Elizabeth, age 52, has her living in Elvet Durham with William and five children. All Linskey children, the youngest is 5. William's occupation is recorded as; Common Lodging house Keeper.
I have a couple of certificates I can send you if you would like them and I would love to see the newspaper article.
Jenny