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Title: Frain Family
Post by: Nurmal on Friday 06 August 10 08:00 BST (UK)
I am looking for my Frain ancestry.
My ggrandparents John (born c1851) and Margaret (born c1856) lived in Carrownaraha near Ballyvary on the 1901 and 1911 Irish census.
John and Margaret were both born in Mayo. The occupation is shown as farmer. They had seven children, Winnie (Winafred?), Patrick (Pat on census, my grandfather), Michael, Richard (spelt Ritchard on census), Bridget, John and Thomas.   Winnie is not shown on either census but may have left home for work or been married prior to 1901.  I have an address for her in 1916 in Aston Birmingham.
In 1916 when Thomas was killed in France (Connaught Rangers) the address for John and Margaret from the CWGC was Doogerra Ballyvary.
John (son/my grandfather’s brother) married Delia (Bridget ?) and had four children. These are John, Theresa, Bridget and Phil (female probably Philomena).
John (son/my grandfather’s brother) and Delia were still living in Doogerra in 1954. The children of John and Delia had all moved away by 1954 and John (son of John and Delia) was living in Dublin..
I do not know if Doogerra is a small village or if it is the name of a farm or house.
Pat (1879 - 1958) and Richard (c1885 - 1947) moved to Yorkshire.
Pat moved sometime after the 1901 Irish census and before the 1911 Irish census and married my grandmother, Elizabeth Clee, daughter of Thomas and Ruth Clee in April 1919 at Castleford. Richard moved to Yorkshire after the 1911 Irish census. He moved to Wombwell.
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: heywood on Monday 09 August 10 10:36 BST (UK)
Good morning Nurmal,

You have quite a bit of information there so presumably want to go back from Patrick and Margaret. That would mean their marriage certificate which would give you their fathers' names and maybe addresses.
Family search pilot site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home has Irish BMD indexes but there are a lot of Frains.
However, you do have some approximate births/place and parents names so that should help to get a birth certificate for one of the children and then the marriage certificate.
http://www.groireland.ie/
I know we pass through Ballyvary area when we go to Mayo but not sure if the registrar would have been Swinford or Castlebar then. Here is Castlebar address:
Civil Registration Office, New Antrim Street, Castlebar, Co. Mayo Contact: 094 9023249
pehaps a phone call there would tell where to look.
When we were in Mayo in June we went to the Mayo Peace Park in Castlebar which is a lovely place of commemoration for those Mayo people who died in the wars. There has been a book published too which seems to have the CWG information to identify the dead. (My gt uncle is remembered there.)
I have just looked at the site and there is a Thomas Frain Castlebar but whether he is yours I don't know. The details would be in the book but it is a big book and, I think, expensive and from what I recall they are just lists as on CWGC site.
http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/castlebar/visitors-guide/mayo-peace-park.html (http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/castlebar/visitors-guide/mayo-peace-park.html) New Link 2015
It looks as though Doogerra vould be Doogary and there are a few of those around Castlebar/Swineford by the looks of it.
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/  (Search for 'Doog' at beginning of field in drop down menu.)

best wishes
heywood
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Nurmal on Monday 09 August 10 13:51 BST (UK)
Thanks for the info - you have also responded to my "Foster of Darlaston" post.
I will work my way through this.
My Thomas Frain is 7267, 6th Battalion Connaught Rangers.  I have a lot of his paperwork including army records which is where I obtained the addresses for the siblings that moved to England.  The information on his army record says 'son of John and Margaret Frain of Doogerra, Ballyvary, Co. Mayo.
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: heywood on Monday 09 August 10 14:20 BST (UK)
Hello again,
I had a quick look on internet http://www.castlebar.ie/news/article_2781.shtml explains the book and there isare email addresses  for P J Clarke and Michael Feeney who gathererd the information.
It might be worth contacting thenm to see if it is your Thomas who is inscribed on the memorial.
As I said it is a beautiful spot. My cousins who live a few miles away didn't even know that our relative was remembered there as he had been in Merchant navy and his boat had been torpedoed. That just has his name there but CWGC gives his parents details too- like your Thomas.

regards
heywood
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Nurmal on Tuesday 10 August 10 18:13 BST (UK)
Hi Heywood
I contacted PJ Clarke and Thomas is in the book
Thanks
Pat
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 10 August 10 18:15 BST (UK)
That's great news- well the memorial is fitting and a lovely place.  :)
Title: Cloonconlan resident
Post by: Nurmal on Wednesday 11 August 10 08:58 BST (UK)
I am looking for information on Bridget Frain (b c1880) who moved to Cloonconlan near Straide between 1911 and 1915.  This was possibly as a result of marriage.  BMD searches have not come up with a marriage or name of spouse.  Her parents were John and Margaret Frain from Carrownaraha, Ballyvary.  There is a full posting regarding this Frain family on the discussion board.

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Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Yllek on Friday 16 January 15 02:46 GMT (UK)
Was looking through the Internet for information on Thomas Frain and cane across your post. I am Bridget Frains Granddaughter.
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Cowboy Dan on Tuesday 02 June 15 00:04 BST (UK)
The link for Mayo Memorial PeacePark org sends one to a site focused on HGH and appears they are selling growth hormones. (New link updated)

If there's a better link, please let us know.

Thanx
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 02 June 15 04:42 BST (UK)
Just googled it....

http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/en/towns-villages/castlebar/visitors-guide/mayo-peace-park.html
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 02 June 15 08:08 BST (UK)
The link for MayoMemorialPeacePark.org sends one to a site focused on HGH and appears they are selling growth hormones.

If there's a better link, please let us know.

Thanx

The site has Obviously been hijacked over the years  :)
Hallmark has given you the link. I haven't been for a few years but am hoping to visit it this summer.
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 02 June 15 10:29 BST (UK)
Probably some photos of it on line if you Google it and see what is under Images!
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: heywood on Tuesday 02 June 15 11:13 BST (UK)
http://www.irishwarmemorials.ie/Memorials-Detail?memoId=679

See Image 5/15 - he is listed under Castlebar

It seems to be the right Thomas according to Nurmal's  earlier post.
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 14 July 15 10:28 BST (UK)
New topic created for Thomas Frain born 1896
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=725521.msg5697906#msg5697906
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: frainj on Saturday 10 June 17 00:06 BST (UK)
Was looking through the Internet for information on Thomas Frain and cane across your post. I am Bridget Frains Granddaughter.


I am almost certain that I am your second cousin. My Grandfather was John Frain who was Thomas's brother.  Over the years I have collected some material about the family and am currently trying to write it up for my grand children. The only information I have about your grand mother is a record of her marriage from the local registry. I have attached a copy. I understand that several of her nephews/nieces stayed with her in Aston when they emigrated but I have no details.

I have copies of some of Thomas's service records, a photo of his service medal. His memorial is on Pier and Face 15 A of the Thiepval Memorial. His birth cert records his birth date as 20 February 1914 at Dooghery (probably a misspell). The use of some variant of Dooghery in their address has given rise to a lot of misunderstanding.  The correct address is Carrownaraha.  Tradition is that  the Frains (great-grandfather) originated in East Mayo. Places, that I remember being mentioned, were Barnacogue mountain (site of Knock Airport) and nearby Kilkelly, Swinford and Kiltimagh.  There is an area called Doogary just outside Kilkelly. Perhaps the house was named after Doogary to indicate that this was the John Frain from Doogary.


Is this material of any interest to you?  Nurmal, who started this conversation is also a second cousin of ours. I was in contact with him some time ago but he has no recent  posts
If
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: sarah on Monday 12 June 17 10:32 BST (UK)
Hello frainj,

Welcome to RootsChat.

Nurmal should have received notification of your reply but will just check for you. Yes the notification has gone through, hopefully they should reply very soon.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Yllek on Friday 23 June 17 02:49 BST (UK)
Was looking through the Internet for information on Thomas Frain and cane across your post. I am Bridget Frains Granddaughter.


I am almost certain that I am your second cousin. My Grandfather was John Frain who was Thomas's brother.  Over the years I have collected some material about the family and am currently trying to write it up for my grand children. The only information I have about your grand mother is a record of her marriage from the local registry. I have attached a copy. I understand that several of her nephews/nieces stayed with her in Aston when they emigrated but I have no details.

I have copies of some of Thomas's service records, a photo of his service medal. His memorial is on Pier and Face 15 A of the Thiepval Memorial. His birth cert records his birth date as 20 February 1914 at Dooghery (probably a misspell). The use of some variant of Dooghery in their address has given rise to a lot of misunderstanding.  The correct address is Carrownaraha.  Tradition is that  the Frains (great-grandfather) originated in East Mayo. Places, that I remember being mentioned, were Barnacogue mountain (site of Knock Airport) and nearby Kilkelly, Swinford and Kiltimagh.  There is an area called Doogary just outside Kilkelly. Perhaps the house was named after Doogary to indicate that this was the John Frain from Doogary.


Is this material of any interest to you?  Nurmal, who started this conversation is also a second cousin of ours. I was in contact with him some time ago but he has no recent  posts
If

hi frainj
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: frainj on Friday 23 June 17 22:41 BST (UK)
Yllek

This morning I saw your reply which contained an email address. The contents of your message were deleted when I retrieved it this evening. Can you repost your message or send the email address to (*)

frainj



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Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Sinann on Friday 23 June 17 23:33 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: Nurmal on Saturday 07 July 18 15:02 BST (UK)
To Yllek and Frainj
Apologies for not replying to your posts.  I did not receive notifications due to changing my email shortly after my last post.
I have followed up some of the information I found and the direct lines from my ggrandfather have very few descendants living in Ireland.
John and family (son of John, my grandfathers (Pat) brother and brother to Thomas) live in Dublin but the rest of the family (98 at the last count) live in the Aston/Birmingham area.  I remember as a child my grandfather went to Birmingham for two weeks each year and two weeks to Carrownaraha to visit.
They originally went to England for about six months during winter to obtain work in the building trade and spent the rest of the year on the smallholding. As time went on some of the family took permanent work in England and as the parents and grandparents got older and started to retire they also moved to be near the family.
As to the Doogery and its variants the dwelling was near the N5 the Castlebar to Swinford road at Carrownaraha (a suburb of Ballyvary).  A couple of miles after passing through Ballyvary there is a road on the right hand side of the road that leads to the dwelling.  It is also the road to Doohana (?!).
I have a lot more information if you are still following this line.
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: sarah on Thursday 30 August 18 16:29 BST (UK)
Hi Nurmal,

When you reply to a topic, it will automatically send the users a pm to let them know. I am trying to check the notifications for these members but as it has been so long since you replied I need to post again.

Sarah

edit: Yes I can see that both members notifications are working, hopefully they will reply soon.
Title: Re: Frain Family
Post by: frainj on Thursday 30 August 18 22:46 BST (UK)
Hi Nurmal,

I received your message shortly before I went on holiday and intended to get back to you when I returned.  Many things have happened since and I regret that I never got back to you. 

I have also gathered up a lot of information about the family since I last heard from you.  I have found a record in the 1911 UK census that shows Pat and John lodging at Wombwell. Their occupation was given as Coal Miner Dataller.  I know that my grandfather, John, left mining during the 1926 general strike and worked on the buildings.  I have als found various records about Michael who went to America.  Bridget married Michael Kelly in 1914 in Straid Church. They lived in Cloonconlon near Straide for the remainder of their 51 yrs. together.

I change computer about 6 months ago and have done no work on family history in the last 8/9 months.  I have a lot of documentation taken from various sources an it will take some time to reassemble some of it.  I have looked briefly for the census record mentioned above and have not been able to locate it quickly.    I will do a bit of work on this over the coming week.  I would prefer to correspond over direct email (*).
I tried to send the actual address using this forum but the email address was deleted.  Can you send me your new email to my address.

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