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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: ScallyW on Thursday 26 August 10 22:22 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find out a bit more about this man who is the direct ancestor of a family I'm researching. There are 3 Charles Davis in the line, this is the earliest one so far. His son (Charles, abt1875-1956) married an Elizabeth Bromwell (1880-1966) and their son, Charles (1903-1977) married Clara Hodgkins. This last one is the grandfather of the person I am researching this for and both her and her father either remember the aforementioned last to Charles's and/or have their paperwork regards birth and death. We only had the direct line though and I'm trying to fill out the sides a bit.
Charles Davis (1903) had 4 siblings found in records. There is a 1911 census record that shows..
Daniel Bromwell (1901)
Edward Sidney Bromwell (1902)
Harry Davis (1907)
Harriet Davis (1909)
I have no marriage details for any of these siblings or their individual families.
I've seen a 1881 census record at Grafton Flyford, Worcs that shows Charles (1877) with his father (Charles 1831, travelling tinman) and mother (Eliza 1841) and siblings..
Ellen 1866 Gloucestershire
James 1868 Worcester
Priscilla 1879 Wiltshire
I've had a heck of a time trying to find any other census records for the father but I've just today found another one that names 2 more siblings...
1871 Barton St Mary, Gloucs
Charles Davis 1838 - gypsy traveller
Eliza Davis 1841
Raiowa Davis 1856, Herefordshire *I think it says Rosemary
Monley Davis 1866, Gloucs *I think this is Ellen due to the year of birth but the name is almost illegible.
Sarah Davis 1867, Wiltshire
James Davis 1870, Worcester.
Seeing as Sarah wasn't listed on the 1881 census, it's possible she died young and Rosemary would have been on an age to have been married by then.
I can't find any other records for this family and would love to hear from people who can claim any of the names mentioned here.
The line I'm following eventually ended up going by the name Davies and settled in Worcestershire.
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Hi.
I've just discovered that my family has romany blood in it.
My grandfather's name was Thomas Davis, born 1907. His father was also Thomas Davis (don't know birth date or wife's name). Thomas Davis senior is listed on his son's marriage certificate as a carter.
My grandfather's siblings were Irene (married name Parker, died in 1962 I believe) and Minnie. There could be more of course. My mum remebers Irene had a gypsy funeral even though she lived in a house (she always kept her caravan).
They are all linked to Walsall in Staffordshire.
I wish I could find out more, but I can't seem to find any registered birth certificated or appearances on the census.
Meg
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I don't suppose you end up with a Thomas, Minnie or Irene Davis at all. I'm still a bit stuck on this.
Thanks
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Hi Scally
i have a Nellie Davis who married 1913 in cheltenham born c 1892 her father on the wedding cert was James davis general hawker . she married a Ryalls they travelled round the glouster worchester area, wonder if that could be ur James. i havent been able to find them on any census
take care Matilda
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hi, all, just saw the subject. it can be hard to trace romany travellers as some would hide, or change names on census days, also could be travelling? and lots of romany folk did not register the children. i had aunts and uncles who were not registered. so family can be hard to find at times. but most did baptise the babies,and marry in church so parish regs are good for finding ancestors. and we did/do tend to travel in the same areas, if you find one gypsy family member on a church register, you will find others. good luck. rob.g
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hi - just bookmarking to look up those census records for you :)
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the full 1881 census
The Common Grafton Flyford
Charles Davis 50 travelling tinman b. Chadlington Oxfordshire
Eliza 40 tinmans wife b. Ledbury Herefordshire
Ellen 15 dau. b. Gloucester
James13 son b. Worcester
Charles 4 son b Worcester white ladies aston
Priscilla 2 dau . b. Highberk wiltshire
: RG11; 2931; 26; : 10;
separate household also on the common
Thomas Morris 30 ag lab b. Grafton Flyford
Elizabeth 29 wife gloveress b. wesley banks stafford
separate household again
Corneilius Sharratt 30 traveller dealer in crooks b. wesley banks stafford
Elizabeth wife 22 b. Ledbury Herefordshire
Edith dau 3 wks b. Alderston Gloucester
these travellers families tended to stick together ;)
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Scally i'm not finding anything you dont already have but for anyone else who is looking the full 1871 census reads thus:
Barton St Mary Gloucester
Barton Street
dwelling in huts
Charles Davis 33 head Gipsy traveller b. Chadington Oxfordshire
Eliza Davis 30 wife do. b. Ledbury
Rosemary Davis 15 do. b. Stanton Herefordshire
Monley [transcribed] Davis 5 b. Gloucestershire i think this does begin with M and ends in ley i have no ideadwhat the name could be though
Sarah Davis 4 b. Wotten Bassat
James Davis 1 b. Worcester
separate household
Richard Duckitt 36head Gipsy traveller b. Fairstone Glos.
Jane 30 wife do. b. Broadway Worcs.
Charles 13 son do. b, Oxfordshire
Henry 11 do. son b. do.
Cornelius 6 son b,. stroudwater glos
Elizabeth 3 dau b. bristol
Freedom Smith adopted child 20 b. abingdon
Richard Duckett 70 father widwo b. welbury oxon.
(transcribed Dockett)
RG10; 2621; 53; 12
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was hoping maybe they would be with the Ducketts iin other census
i found the Ducketts in 1881 obviously not with the Davis as already found them but for ref.
RG11; 2022; 15; 24
&
1861
RG9; 1273; 163; : 17
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@ toni
Thanks for finding the other families living nearby in those census records. The name Duckitt rings a bell but I'd need to check my files to find out why.
Regarding 'Monley' - my personal theory is that her name was some version of Misellie which was shortened to Ellen in the 1881 census.
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anyone know anymore about sarah davis/davy c.1826-1836?she married robert hughes in honitin somerset.there is some talk of her being born in oxford and her dad being edwin/edward davis but nothing poisitive.her hughes family appeared as jones in the 1871 cencus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi Cathayb
im just sat looking at edward orchard m christiana woodley hunt
20 jul 1819 shipton under wychwood
witness edward davis sarah sciven
is it him
is it right era?
maggie ::)
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yes it is and I was told by a very good researcher that Edward davis was sarah born 1818-1823 was her father.he also told me he was a witness at this wedding.it should make it easier to find sarah now I hope??I wonder if she was born in oxford?as one cencus says born Gloucester but other cencus say birth unknown??this is a big break through I think.i wonder if sarah Scriven was her mum and Edward and sarah Scriven were not yet a item??got visitors to day but will work on tyhis tomorrow.
where did you find the wedding of Christina hunt and and Edward orchard please?is it on ancestry?
I wonder if we can find a birth for Edward to see his age here whether he was also Charles davis's father.i am quite excited.thank you so much for the info.we know sarah was with Robert hughes by 1843 as they had a child but never been able to find either one in 1841 cencus.thanks ever so for the info
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Hi Cathayb
Info might have come from Ian O many many years ago or a romany routes
but my file is in loft will get hubby up there tomorrow.
i havent got ancestry but looked on find my past and could not find it on there
but will get back to you
Maggie
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yes my info came from ian o aswell and he works from records not the computer!!!haven't heard from him for years but he was sure Edward was sarahs dad.i too must go through my folders and find his letters and have another look at them.together maybe we can solve sarahs birth.it would be great as she was my husbands 3x gt granma and is the biggest brickwall in my tree.
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I have found a sarah davis in 1841 with a ann scriven but no actual proof its the right sarah as she seemed to be living in independent means with her mum sally davis.
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just looked at ian o's letter to me.he is sure that the dward davis that was a witness was sarahs dad.
he also says in the same letter that Robert hughes perants=Robert hughes and mary had a daughter mary hughes born 1920 who married a saunders in 1844/45?the saunders came from sussex but were in devon by this time.
I am desperately looking for Edward davis's birth and I hope marriage at the moment but not at all sure where he was born.i wish the marriage had been later for Christina then we might have got more info!!!!