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Title: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: weemalla on Tuesday 07 September 10 03:47 BST (UK)
I'm trying to find when & where Joseph John Booth was born. Family story has it that he was born "at sea" about 1834. His parents names not known. He married Jane Gibson Affleck c 1868 in Queensland. She was born c1845 in Scotland and died 1914 in Qld. They had a family of 7 children all born in Qld. Not much else to go on. Would love to know when and where Joseph was born and the circumstances ie ship name etc. Hope someone can help
Title: Re: Joseph John Booth where born?
Post by: cando on Tuesday 07 September 10 04:44 BST (UK)
His marriage certificate should give you not only his place of birth but his parents names' as well and the information is given by him.  His parents names may assist in locating shipping records.

Info on all certs in Qld
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html

1868/C43   
BOOTH Joseph John   
AFFLECK   Jane

His death certificate should note his time in Australia.  Do you know when he died?  There are four possiblities on Qld bdm.

Cheers
Cando

Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 08 September 10 03:34 BST (UK)
Hi,

Qld BDM has a
 
Joseph John Booth death in 1910/C248 with father George Henry Booth and mother Susannah Francis Havers.

Regards

Gerry
Title: Re: Joseph John Booth where born?
Post by: cando on Wednesday 08 September 10 04:07 BST (UK)
His death certificate should note his time in Australia.  Do you know when he died?  There are four possiblities on Qld bdm.

Cheers
Cando

As posted previously there are actually four possibilies including the death reg posted by Gerry.

Have browse :D
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 08 September 10 04:12 BST (UK)
Hi again,

A publication Queenslanders who fought in the Great War mentions 3011 Arthur Walter Booth private 42nd Btn father Joseph John Booth and mother Jane Gibson Booth of Currawong.

Also, the 1905 Qld Electoral Roll has  

George Henry Booth labourer Currawong Qld

John Booth labourer Currawong Qld

Regards

Gerry



Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 08 September 10 04:40 BST (UK)

Hi again,

The George Henry Booth in my previous post was probably Walters brother because George Henry Booth was Walter's NoK on his WW1 papers.

I initially thought George may have been John Booth's father.

Gerry
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: weemalla on Wednesday 08 September 10 06:14 BST (UK)
Thanks for above various postings. Arthur Walter Booth is certainly the brother of George Henry, and are two of the 7 children to my Joseph John  Booth & Jane Gibson Affleck. From NAA i got the following for Arthur:   Arthur enlisted at Bundaberg Queensland on 26 Oct 1916 at age 31 years and 3 months. Service # 3011. He gave his brother George Henry booth as next of kin. His mother had died two years prior. He was attached to the 42nd battallion. He embarked from Sydney on the Wiltshire on 7 Feb 1917 and landed at Devenport 11 April 1917. Not long after 20 June 1917 he contracted the mumps and after 20 days was declared fit to return to duty. On the 20 Aug 1917 he went to France where he served in France/Belgium until he was was wounded by gassing and admitted to hospital 23 Oct 1918. After 140 days in hospital he rejoined his battalion 27 Dec 1917and  was repatriated to Australia on the Argyleshire 22 Sep 1919.

The above is an interesting side track but I hope the answer to my posting is given in the marriage and / or death certs
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jim Booth on Wednesday 17 April 13 05:28 BST (UK)
Hello, have you had any luck with this?

I am George Henry Booth's grandson, and was brought up on one of the family farms at Gin Gin. I think it was John Booth's grave on a hill on one of the other Booth farms which was planted over with sugar cane when the farm changed hands.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Neil Todd on Wednesday 17 April 13 05:40 BST (UK)
You may have to wait a little for the original poster "Weemalla" to reply, but I am sure they will be very happy to hear from you ;D even three years later....

In the meantime welcome to Rootschat.

Neil
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: weemalla on Wednesday 17 April 13 06:11 BST (UK)
I would be pleased to make contact with Jim Booth, but in the mean time could he give me his fathers full name so i can get a better handle on where he fits into George Henry Booth's line. I'm off to the Swiss and Austrian mountains in a few days (lucky me) and will not be able to communicate further until my return toward end of June
Richard
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Neil Todd on Wednesday 17 April 13 06:34 BST (UK)
Hope you can YODEL Richard, half your luck. ;D

Neil ;)
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: giblet on Wednesday 17 April 13 06:36 BST (UK)
Might be of some interest to those researching the family if they havent seen it already.
http://ww1qld.gravesecrets.net/bo.html

Booth Arthur Walter .. the above link has a photo of him.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: giblet on Wednesday 17 April 13 07:08 BST (UK)
Burial Details:
Surname:   BOOTH   Jane Gibson
Year of Death:   1914
Place of Residence:   Currajong   Place of Birth:   Edinborough Scotland
Grave Details:
Cemetery:   Gin Gin       Location:   GGA      Grave Number:   108

Burial Details:
Surname:   BOOTH  Joseph John
Year of Death:   1910
Grave Details:
Cemetery:   Currajong - Comonju
Location:   CUR      Grave Number:   10

http://bundaberg.qld.gov.au/services/cemeteries

Heap of the family on the above link.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jim Booth on Wednesday 17 April 13 07:58 BST (UK)
Sure, my father was Keith James Booth, youngest child of George, born 1918 and died 2003.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jim Booth on Wednesday 17 April 13 08:20 BST (UK)
Thanks, useful site. However the Joseph John Booth who died in 1910 was in fact John Joseph's grandson, George Henry's infant son. It does say that John Joseph died in 1895, and was buried in a "Lone Grave", which is consistent with my memory of him being buried in a grave on top of a hill on the farm, which has subsequently been cropped over. His son Walter (as Arthur Walter was referred to) would apparently sometimes spend the night on the same hill by himself around a bonfire - we were told it was because of his wartime memories.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Friday 15 September 17 11:54 BST (UK)
Hi to everyone looking for the death and parents of Joseph John Booth who was married to Jane Gibson Affleck.  I have been trying to find this information for a friend of mine.  I posted on a couple of very helpful Aussie sites today and some very kind genie people today found an article in a Queensland newspaper - the Courier - 8 July 1886 whereby probate was granted from the estate of Joseph John Booth to his wife Jane Gibson Booth - Gin Gin (near Bundaberg) Queensland.  Therefore his parents were Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood - Queensland Death Cert No. C223.  Yay - unfortunately hints on Ancestry aren't proving terribly conclusive as to Joseph and Maria's past.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 15 September 17 12:16 BST (UK)
John Joseph 1895
Cemetery:   Lone Graves
Location:   BOWEN Grave Number:LG

Jane Gibson Booth 1914
Cemetery: Gin Gin
Location: GGA Grave Number:108
Place of residence: Currajong
Place of birth: Edinborough, Scotland

Joseph John Booth 1910
Cemetery: Currajongju
Location: CUR Grave Number:10
Place of residence: Tirroan
Place of birth: Australia

Maria Booth 1939
Cemetery: Gin Gin
Location: GGB Grave Number:453
Place of residence: Tirroan
Place of birth: Australia

Jamjar








Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 15 September 17 12:20 BST (UK)
1895   C2878 John Joseph Booth parents Charles Booth and Lilly Lawson

1910   C248   Joseph John Booth parents George Henry Booth and Susannah Francis Havers   

1914   C370   Jane Gibson Booth parents John Affleck and Agnes Robertson   

1939   C2576 Maria Booth parents Joseph John and Jane Gibson   

Jamjar

Added

Births:

1869   C206   Maria Booth parents John Joseph and Jane Affleck   

1872   C420   George Henry Booth parents John and Jane Affleck

1876   C226   Agnes Booth parents John and Jane Afflee

1882   C388   Robert Booth parents John and Jane Affleck

1885   C601   Arthur Walter Booth parents Joseph John and Jane Affleck


Deaths

1926   B49077 George Henry Booth parents John Booth and Jane Afleck

1939   C2576 Maria Booth parents Joseph John and Jane Gibson

1945   C2650 Arthur Walter Booth parents Joseph John and Jane Gibson Affleck   

1949   C4892 Agnes Bargenquast parents John Booth and Jane Afflec   

1954   B1964 Robert Booth parents John and Jane Affleck   

Marriage:

1905   C151   Agnes Booth to Hermann Joachen Henry Bargenquast   





Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Friday 15 September 17 12:55 BST (UK)
Jamjar - thanks for those but none show the Qld reg death of Joseph John Booth as mentioned in that Queensland paper in 1886.  This is the Qld Birth Death and Marriages registry details:  John Joseph Booth d 1886 registration number C223, parents Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood.  This ties in with the 1886 death I also just found on Ancestry:  Registration No. 00023, page number 1335.  Death of John Joseph Booth 22 March 1886, parents Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 15 September 17 12:59 BST (UK)
Where are you getting the 1886 C223?

Jamjar

Found it: 1886   C223   John Joseph Booth parents Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood

Last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19804443

John Booth, farmer, Gin Gin, near Bundaberg, to Jane Gibson Booth, the widow—personalty £80, realty £900.
SECOND DAY. (1886, July 10). The Queenslander (Brisbane, Qld. : 1866 - 1939), p. 48. Retrieved September 15, 2017, from http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19806372


Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 15 September 17 13:20 BST (UK)
Looks like I should have read the thread from the beginning.  ;D

Jamjar

Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: weemalla on Friday 15 September 17 14:12 BST (UK)
I'm back! But a little confused. Do I understand correctly that the parents of John Joseph Booth that married Jane Affleck were Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood?
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 15 September 17 14:19 BST (UK)
It's hard to say.

I can see how Alanna could think that's the case.

It depends on how long it was between the death, which could have been in 1885 and the probate in 1886, or if he died in 1886 and the probate was in 1886, then the death with parents Joseph and Maria Underwood could be a possibility.

They did have a daughter Maria.  ;)

Jamjar
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Saturday 16 September 17 07:29 BST (UK)
JamJar and Weemalla

Based on the fact the newspaper article states that probate was granted in 1886 to Jane Gibson Booth, wife of John Joseph Booth - it would seem to be the right couple.  The only deaths registered in Queensland under the name Booth for 1885 and 1886 are:

1885 - C1534 - Unnamed (m) Booth - parents William Booth and Caroline Bennett.  I expect 'unnamed' because it was an infant death
1885 - C79 - Isabella Alice Booth (clearly not who we want)
1886 - C223 - John Joseph Booth - parents Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood
1886 - C594 - Roy Foster Booth - parents Henry Frederick Booth and Eliza Fox
1886 - C3823 - William Booth - parents Coats Booth and Margaret Selby

We can go back to 1884 if you think Probate may have taken that long - they are:

1884 - C1350 - Reuben Booth - born England aged 47 years
1884 - C5236 - Isabella Jane Booth -again not relevant
1884 - C4467 - Sarah Booth - again not relevant

Based on the above deaths registered in Queensland, I believe the John Joseph Booth mentioned in the newspaper in 1886 is the same as the John Joseph Booth who died on 22 Mar 1886.
The article in the Maryborough Chronicle - Fri 9 Jul 1886 states 'John Booth, farmer, Gin Gin, near Bundaberg, to Jane Gibson Booth, the widow.'  Other papers say JG Booth for Jane.

I can't really see any reason to believe that Joseph and Maria wouldn't be the parents of this particular John Joseph Booth and that seeing the article says this person was the husband of Jane Gibson Booth - that John Joseph Booth died prior to July 1886.

You have to go back to 1881 to find a male death with name John - but he is John Longely Booth.  Prior to that There is a John Smith Booth died inb 1875 and a Joseph Booth died in 1875.  I think it is a stretch to think it would take that long for Probate to be completed.  I may be wrong though.  Hopefully a copy of the death cert might help - but I am doing this for a friend and waiting to see if she wants to purchase it.




Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Saturday 16 September 17 08:09 BST (UK)
I've just had another thought.  John and Jane's son Arthur was born in July 1885, so John Joseph had to be alive until at least Oct 1884 to have fathered him.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: weemalla on Saturday 16 September 17 11:58 BST (UK)
All looks good to me. Allana. In doing your research for your friend have you come across anything that gives credence to the notion that John Joseph Booth that died 1886 was "born at sea in c1834"? I have this as a note but don't know where I found it and haven't been able to substantiate it. Any thought?
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Saturday 16 September 17 13:52 BST (UK)
Sorry Weemalla - no thoughts on that.  I have found a possible arrival in Qld on the John Davis of John or Joseph Booth in 1855.  I have also found a possible birth of him in the UK in 1833 in Kidderminster, Worcester but would really like to see that death cert to see if has his place of birth and date.  They are only possibilities but I think my other posts are pretty certain.  I'd like to see his marriage cert to Jane Gibson Affleck too in case that has his parents and dates and places of birth but again - waiting to see what my friend thinks.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Sunday 24 September 17 05:09 BST (UK)
Thought I would let everyone know I have now seen the marriage cert of Joseph John Booth and Jane Gibson Affleck - married at Dalby Queensland on 1 June 1868.  JJ states his age as 34 - born 'at sea' - which helps with all those rumours mentioned above - and that his parents were Joseph Booth - sailor and Maria Underwood.  Unfortunately doesn't get us any further with Joseph Booth and Maria Underwood - where they were coming to and from when JJ was born, and if he came to Aus alone on the John Davis in 1855 at age 20. 
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 24 September 17 07:53 BST (UK)
..... and if he came to Aus alone on the John Davis in 1855 at age 20.

The passenger list is here, he was from Northampton and the only BOOTH:

http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Image/DigitalImageDisplay.aspx?ImageId=38663#page=5&view=Fit&ispdf=true

I have also found a possible birth of him in the UK in 1833 in Kidderminster, Worcester

Is this the baptism you are talking about?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9WP-Y74

Parents' marriage:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJ3H-Z2N

Have you looked at the original church records to see the father's occupation?

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Sunday 24 September 17 11:24 BST (UK)
Yes Debra - they were the baptism and marriages I found.  However I have since been given a Joseph Boot on a passenger list which fits better - naming the place he came from as Keddermincks.  Fits in well with his baptism place of Kidderminster I feel.  I will try to attach it but says he was 19, born 1833, place of Origin Keddermincks, ship name: Rajah-Gopaul, Port of arrival: Brisbane - Date of Arrival 14 Sep 1852.  Dalby where he married Jane Gibson Affleck in 1868 is inland from Brisbane.  I am sure I found a Joseph or John Booth who had married someone else, and his marriage registration to Jane says he was a widower, so now I will try to find that marriage - and that person's death.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Sunday 24 September 17 11:35 BST (UK)
Had a Eureka moment.  Given that my last post contained an entry that Joseph Boot arrived in 1852 in Brisbane - and his marriage to Jane Gibson Affleck in 1868 says he was a widow, I have now found on the Queensland Births Deaths and Marriages set, a registration for a marriage of Joseph Boot to Margaret Black - BM683.  B stands for a Brisbane death.  I have also found a death for a Margaret Booth in 1858 - C431.  Her father was Thomas Black.  Where 'mother' is it says - **born Ireland aged 24 years.  I am thinking the - represents the mother and the 'born Ireland aged 24 years' is for Margaret saying she was born in Ireland and died aged 24 - putting her birth year at 1834 which would be about right.  I have also found that Joseph Boot and Margaret Black had a daugher 'Maria' born 1858 in Queensland.  The registration no. is C1173.  Woohoo.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Sunday 24 September 17 13:00 BST (UK)
Hi,

Maria Boot, born 12th May 1858  Father, Joseph Boot, mother, Margaret Black.

Queensland Registration 1858/C1173.

Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Dundee on Monday 25 September 17 02:42 BST (UK)
However I have since been given a Joseph Boot on a passenger list which fits better - naming the place he came from as Keddermincks. 

It says Kidderminster...

http://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/Image/DigitalImageDisplay.aspx?ImageId=39226#page=5&view=Fit&ispdf=true

My next question was going to ask if he had been previously married because of his age when he married Jane, but you seem to have that sorted now.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Monday 25 September 17 03:37 BST (UK)
thanks for that Dundee.  I hadn't seen the image - only the transcription. Obviously the transcriber had no idea what he/she was looking at
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Monday 25 September 17 04:37 BST (UK)
Hi,

There were two Margaret Black persons on the vessel Maria Soames that arrived in Moreton Bay on 9th July 1852.

Both single, domestic servants, one 21 from Tyrone and one 25 from Paisley.

The marriage for Joseph Boot and Margaret Black was a Church Registration for the Presbyterian Church in Brisbane and many of these Church Marriages are available on Microfilms, the State Library of Queensland has many of these films.

Next time I am at the State Library I could check the films to see if their marriage record is available and send you the details.

The NSW BDM index shows that Margaret Booth died in Ipswich so she maybe buried at that location, there are extensive records for the Ipswich burials but I don't think they are on line.

Gerry
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 25 September 17 05:42 BST (UK)
Can you please list all the details on the marriage certificate, 1868.

Can you list aa the details on the death certificates for Jane and husband Joseph.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Monday 25 September 17 12:50 BST (UK)
Wivenhoe I shall try to add attachments here but may not be till tomorrow.  Working on small laptop at the moment.  Here is the Joseph John Booth and Jane Gibson Affleck marriage in 1868  (was easier than I expected - so here is everything)
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Monday 25 September 17 13:06 BST (UK)
Here is the marriage deatils of Joseph Boot and Maria Underwood in 1833 and the christening of Joseph John Boot in 1833 at Kidderminster. 

Marriage of Joseph Boot  4 Apr 1833 to Maria Underwood, Old Swinford, Worcester

Baptism of Joseph John Booth 15 Aug 1833 Kidderminster parents Maria & Joseph Boot

Also there is a passenger list in 1852 showing Joseph Booth aged 19 from Kidderminster
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Monday 25 September 17 13:11 BST (UK)
Here is the marriage details of Joseph Boot to Margaret Black in 1854 and the birth of their daughter Maria Boot in 1858 and the death of Margaret Booth in 1858

Marriage of Joseph Boot to Margaret Black 4th Sep 1854 Queensland
reg no Ma0683 page 1330

Maria Boot born 12 May 1858 Queensland, daughter of Joseph &  Margaret
reg no 001173 page 1330

Death of Margaret Booth 13th Nov 1858 Queensland  father Thomas Black
reg no 000431 page 1336
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Monday 25 September 17 13:24 BST (UK)
Here is the death of Joseph Booth in 1886 and an article granting letters of administration in his estate to Jane in 1886.  Also Jane's death in 1914.  All the Queensland results can be found on Queensland Births Deaths and Marriages.  It is free to search - copies of digitised certs can be purchased for around $21. 
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research

John Joseph Booth died 22 Mar 1886 Queensland, parents Joseph Booth & Maria Underwood (reg no 000223 page 1335)

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/19804443?searchTerm=Jane%20Gibson%20Booth&searchLimits=l-decade=188|||l-state=Queensland|||l-year=1886|||l-title=42

Jane Gibson Booth died 7 Oct 1914 Queensland, parents John Affleck & Agnes Robertson (reg no 000370 page 2327)

I think I gave Queensland cert nos. in some of my earlier posts before supplying these docs.  The Qld certs can be ordered by the numbers in those earlier posts.

Hope these have been helpful
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: wivenhoe on Thursday 28 September 17 08:50 BST (UK)
Can you please scan the 1868 marriage certificate......all the information on it.

Do you have a death certificate for Joseph John BOOTH. Can you scan it please.
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: Craigellachie2019 on Thursday 28 September 17 11:15 BST (UK)
I’m sorry i dont have his death cert. only what i have posted above from Ancestry search. Qld births deaths and marriages search gives the same date and parents. Its online and free for the search.  You can easily find. $21.40 if you want to buy the cert online and get it straight away. I am researching this couple for a friend. If she wishes to buy it its up to her. The marriage cert contains other people im not searching. I didn’t believe Rootschat approved of attaching a whole document - only the part relevant to the conversation.  If you click on the doc i attached it will open and reveal right hand side of it. Thats all the info it contains on our couple
Title: Re: Joseph John BOOTH where born?
Post by: sarah on Monday 02 October 17 11:23 BST (UK)
I have just sent you a PM AlannaGrace

Sarah