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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: ScallyW on Wednesday 06 October 10 14:31 BST (UK)
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I found these people in the 1881 census record taken in Little Paxton, Huntingdonshire and am trying to work out who they are and who they came from..
Despair Loveridge Head 24 abt 1857 Witcham, Cambridgeshire (Tin Brazier & Hawker)
Chrysane Loveridge Wife 24 abt 1857 Cottenham, Cambridgeshire
Elizabeth Loveridge Daughter 1 abt 1880 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Stephen Loveridge Brother 14 abt 1867 Bedfordshire
Countsellets Loveridge Brother 3 abt 1878 Raunds, Northamptonshire
Priscilla Loveridge Sister 7 abt 1874 Raunds, Northamptonshire
There are no other records under the name Despair Loveridge but there is a BMD birth register for a Despair Smith born 1856, Ely, Cambridgeshire.
I'm thinking that either these Smiths used the alternative of Loveridge or his wife was a Loveridge and they used her name for the census. I would think that the brothers and sisters mentioned are siblings to Despair. There is a tree on Ancestry giving Despair's parents as Joseph (circa 1830, Bedfordshire) and Elizabeth Loveridge (circa 1833, Bedfordshire) but unfortunately there are no records to confirm any of the details. This tree does give Stephen Loveridge as a brother to Despair although there is no mention of either Countsellets or Priscilla.
Can anyone throw any light on these people for me?
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Hi, You would be right in thinking that they used both Smith and Loveridge as thier surnames.
Elizabeth Loveridge born abt 1880 shows up on Camdex as do a whole host of other Loveridges as does Despair Smith.
LOVERIDGE, Stephen - 1841
LOVERIDGE, Catharine - 1847
LOVERIDGE, Dives - 1851
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth - 1857
LOVERIDGE, Matilda - 1860
LOVERIDGE, Selina - 1860
LOVERIDGE, Priscilla - 1864
LOVERIDGE, Henrietta - 1872
LOVERIDGE, Abigail - 1873
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth - 1879
I will PM a friend who is very much related to the Loveridges and Smiths because maybe he can help you out.
Regards
Lyne
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@ NettieS
Thanks a lot, any help would be gratefully received. I do have quite a few Loveridges already compiled all from the same region but there are some that I can't tie in at all.
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Hi Scally,
I have had a look on GRU and have found someone has a tree that has Despair Loveridge, his wife Chrysane, thier daughter Elizabeth and Despairs brother Stephen in it.
I can find no mention of Priscilla or Countsellets (which I think should actually be Counseletta).
It might be worth making contact with the person on GRU who owns the tree to see if they are willing to help you out.
Regards
Lyne
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@ NettieS
Yes, that's the tree I was referring to that I have seen on Ancestry. Priscilla and Countsellets (who I also think should be Counseletta or some variation) are seen on the 1881 census record in Huntingdon.
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Hi Scally,
Yes both the tree on Ancestry and GRU are Smith family trees.
I checked the family site and have seen that they all show up on the 1881 census record for Huntingdon, interestling enough this lot also show up on the same census next to them in Hail Weston Lane, Little Paxton.
Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head M Male 28 Saffron Walden, Bedford, England Scissor Grinder
Emma LOVERIDGE Wife M Female 29 Keysoe, Bedford, England Pedlar
Andretta LOVERIDGE Daur Female 10 Offord, Huntingdon, England
Henrietta LOVERIDGE Daur Female 8 Offord, Huntingdon, England
Emma LOVERIDGE Daur Female 5 Keysoe, Bedford, England
Angelina LOVERIDGE Daur Female 3 Bluntisham, Huntingdon, England
Susannah LOVERIDGE Daur Female 9 m Abbots Ripton, Huntingdon, England
Just what relation Cornelius is to Despair I have no idea, brother or cousin.
Also on the family search site it says Stephen Loveridge christened 06 MAR 1866 Saint Paul, Bedford, Bedford, England, parents Joseph Loveridge and Elizabeth.
Regards
Lyne
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Hi Nettie
Yes, I saw those as well on the census record and assumed that there was some connection between them. Just need to find out who parents were of Despair and Cornelius.
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Hi Scally,
Sticking with the family site search I believe this is Cornelius.
CORNELIUS LOVELEDGE christened 05 MAR 1853 All Saints, Kempston, Bedford, England
Mother Sarah Loveledge.
So we have Cornelius's mother we just need Despairs now.
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Yes, that certainly fits in with his age given in 1881. Good find.
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Scally the tree on GRU belongs to the great granddaughter of Elizabeth Loveridge daughter of Despair and Chrysane.
Chrysane was born a Loveridge and Despair a Smith.
So could Stephen be Chrysanes brother?
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There is a Priscilla Loveridge born 1871 in Bedford on the BMD, cant find a Priscilla born in Northamptonshire.
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Scally the tree on GRU belongs to the great granddaughter of Elizabeth Loveridge daughter of Despair and Chrysane.
Chrysane was born a Loveridge and Despair a Smith.
Well, that fits in with the BMD birth record for a Despair Smith in 1856.
So could Stephen be Chrysanes brother?
Could easily be if she was the Loveridge by birth although his relationship to the Head should have written down as Brother-in-law. I've generally found that the enumerators were quite precise in their work but that's not to say that mistakes weren't made. Precisely in this instance, the Countsellets was down as male whereas I should think the name belongs to a female.
Also on the family search site it says Stephen Loveridge christened 06 MAR 1866 Saint Paul, Bedford, Bedford, England, parents Joseph Loveridge and Elizabeth.
Regards
Lyne
Sorry, I missed your earlier comment.
If this is so, and there's no reason to think that it isn't, then the tree I've seen on Ancestry is wrong because if Despair was a Smith by birth and not a Loveridge then he wouldn't have Joseph and Elizabeth as his parents if Stephen was in fact brother to Elizabeth. Or..... both Despair and Chrysane had parents who were Smith/Loveridge combinations and some children were given one surname and the others the maiden name - I've seen that before.
I think unless I can find some earlier census records for this family, we won't be able to confirm how to split up the brothers and sisters and really know who is who.
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I to have seen where there has been a use of both surnames in a marriage and I do know through looking at stuff this afternoon that Despair and Chrysanes daughter Elizabeth gave all her children the surname of Loveridge and not the surname of either of her partners who were brothers.
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Probably no help to you at all but in 1901 Despair and Chrysans turn up in Suffolk as Spears and Crissanda, along with their six children
RG 13 Piece 1763 Folio 87 Page 10
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Probably no help to you at all but in 1901 Despair and Chrysans turn up in Suffolk as Spears and Crissanda, along with their six children
RG 13 Piece 1763 Folio 87 Page 10
Well, it helps in a way because I have that record saved but hadn't realised they were one and the same people. Thanks for pointing it out.
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I to have seen where there has been a use of both surnames in a marriage and I do know through looking at stuff this afternoon that Despair and Chrysanes daughter Elizabeth gave all her children the surname of Loveridge and not the surname of either of her partners who were brothers.
That's interesting. I've come across a couple of people who married siblings.
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I knew the name Spears rang a bell.
There is a 1871 census in Cople, Bedfordshire that has a Spiers Loveridge living with his mother Elizabeth who in turn is living 'as wife' with Montague Grey. One of his siblings is Stephen Loveridge 1866 so that gives us proof that Despair and Stephen were brothers. Countsellets and Priscilla aren't listed of course as they weren't born yet but it would imply that Elizabeth's first husband Joseph had died and she had hooked up with Montague and later had children with him.
On the previous page there are 4 more Loveridges, all siblings, all single. William, Maria, Goliath and Lovinia. They could be further siblings of Despair and Stephen if it weren't for the fact that there is a Lavinia already listed next to 'Spiers'.
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I,ve seen the 1871 census for Pork Lane, Cople and do think it is a possibility.
Looking at the information about Elizabeth Loveridge, I dont think she was married to either of the brothers who were Stephen Stone and Elias Stone.
1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth
Address: Poplar Lane Eastwood
STONE, Stephen Head Unmarried M 42 1869 General Labourer And Hawker Romford Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth Mother Unmarried F 33 1878 Flower Seller Isle of Ely Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Loie Daughter F 11 1900 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 10 1901 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Queene Daughter F 8 1903 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elias Son M 5 1906 Pitsea Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Charlie Son M 2 1909 Eastwood Essex
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Looking at the information about Elizabeth Loveridge, I dont think she was married to either of the brothers who were Stephen Stone and Elias Stone.
Oooh. How naughty.
1911 census - household transcription
Person: LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth
Address: Poplar Lane Eastwood
STONE, Stephen Head Unmarried M 42 1869 General Labourer And Hawker Romford Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elizabeth Mother Unmarried F 33 1878 Flower Seller Isle of Ely Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Loie Daughter F 11 1900 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 10 1901 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Queene Daughter F 8 1903 Scholar Eastwood Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elias Son M 5 1906 Pitsea Essex VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Charlie Son M 2 1909 Eastwood Essex
There is another family who I haven't tied in yet with my main Loveridge file...
1891 Lavenham, Suffolk.
John Loveridge Head 30 abt 1861 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
Saney Loveridge Wife 30 abt 1861 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
Pricilla Loveridge Daughter 13 abt 1878 Caiston Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Loveridge Daughter 11 abt 1880 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
Queens Nation Loveridge Daughter 9 abt 1882 Cambridge Cambridgeshire
Moses Loveridge Son 7 abt 1884 Lavenham Suffolk
Saney Loveridge Daughter 5 abt 1886 Lavenham Suffolk
Lech Loveridge Son 2 abt 1889 Lavenham Suffolk
Mordager Loveridge Son Under 1/12 abt 1891 Lavenham Suffolk
The presence of these two names implies there is a family connection somehow.
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Hi Scally,
A few more for you, thats if you havent got them already.
1911 census - household transcription
Address: In a Portable Tent in Love's Lane Off Reach Road Burwell Cambridgeshire
LOVERIDGE, Faires Head Married M 56 1855 Cambridge Witcham VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Sarah Wife Married F 51 1860 Cambridge Cottenham VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Cornelius Son Single M 19 1892 Cambridge Littleport VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Faires Son Single M 16 1895 Cambridge Doddington VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Sevinah Daughter F 9 1902 Cambridge Doddington VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 7 1904 Cambridge Doddington
1911 census - household transcription
Address: Caravan C/o Harvey Station En D Lode Cambridgeshire
LOVERIDGE, Stephen Head Married
14 years M 50 1861 Labourer Farm Scotland Glascoed VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Susan Wife Married F 33 1878 Wolverhampton Staffford VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Norah Son Single M 18 1893 Labourer On Farm Yarmouth Norfolk VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Lovenia Daughter Single F 13 1898 School Wisbech Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Beliah Daughter Single F 11 1900 School March Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Eli Son Single M 7 1904 March Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Unity Daughter F 6 1905 March Cambs VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Stephen Son M 0 (11 MONTHS) 1911 Lode Cambs
Will see what I can find out about John and Saney.
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Hi Scally,
A few more for you, thats if you havent got them already.
1911 census - household transcription
Address: In a Portable Tent in Love's Lane Off Reach Road Burwell Cambridgeshire
LOVERIDGE, Faires Head Married M 56 1855 Cambridge Witcham VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Sarah Wife Married F 51 1860 Cambridge Cottenham VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Cornelius Son Single M 19 1892 Cambridge Littleport VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Faires Son Single M 16 1895 Cambridge Doddington VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Sevinah Daughter F 9 1902 Cambridge Doddington VIEW
LOVERIDGE, Elijah Son M 7 1904 Cambridge Doddington
Will see what I can find out about John and Saney.
My instinct tells me that this is in fact Despair/Spears and Crisanda. Faires isn't anyway similar to a word let alone a name and I know that often a F and a S can be mistaken for each other. I don't have access to the 1911 census records but I would be willing to bet this could be them. Despair had a son called Cornelius in 1892/3 so that fits as well.
Additionally, I think that the John and Saney I listed above are the same couple who are adapting their names as time passes.
They have a daughter born in 1886 named the same as the mother - so does the 1901 census.
They have an Elizabeth of the same age.
They have a Moses of the same age.
They have a Lech born in 1889 - the 1901 has a Levi born 1887.
They have a Mordager born in 1891 - the 1901 has an Arthur born 1891.
There is the difference in birth places given to take into account though....
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Hello Nettie,
I see you're hard at it again :D, i've been keeping a close eye on this one as all the people mentioned so far are related to my Smith/Parker/Loveridge family.
I've been trying to contact my cousin in Norfolk to confirm where Steven Loveridge fits in as his grt grandfather and grt grt grandfather were both Steven Loveridge's, by the way, Steven or Stephen was also known as 'Stefan'. Also Nettie, one of those last names you posted 'Faires' has similarities to the name 'Farey' which was normally used by the Perkins gypsies, and the Heron's and Lovell's used 'Fero' or 'Feriel'
Nearly all of these people so far mentioned turn up somewhere around Beds/Bucks/Herts or Cambs, and sometimes Eastwood in Essex where a lot of my family also come from, i've got about 60 different 1911 census's covering all these area's that my cousin emailed me, so i'll look through them later on to see what i can find.
china
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Hi China,
You know me hun ;) once I start looking, I keep looking to see what I can find.
I know one of the Stephen Loveridges had a daughter born in Bourn Cambridgeshire, lovely old village I remember going to the fair that used to be in the village every year just across the road from where my nan lived.
Nettie
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Hi Nettie
I love it around the Cambridge area, it has a certain laid back sort of feeling which i like.
I can also remember the travelling fair stopping in Toddington once a year, it was great, the owners were the Grey family and the Dean family, i can remember Mr Deans youngest son was named 'James' and he used to drive around the village in his red mustang........aahhhhh........memories, seems like a long time ago now ::) ;)
Anyway!!
If you don't mind Nettie send me any info on the daughter of Stephen who was born in Bourn and i'll pass it onto my cuz in Norfolk.
China
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Hi China,
I have sent the info to you about Stephens daughter who was born in Bourn.
I think the fair that stopped in Bourn was owned by Henry Manning and one of his brothers Jack, I can remember my Uncle Mick used to work for them when they were in the area.
Like you said memories feels like a life time ago :D
Nettie
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Despair is my gg grandfather, Elizabeth his daughter my great grandmother. I have a copy of her daughters birth cert and she states that her name is Elizabeth Loveridge nee Smith, which connects the two names.
She did not marry either of the Stone brothers and all her children had her surname.
Jenny
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my mums mum was also a loveridge .she was queenie loveridge who married penda buckley . on my dads side my gran was mary stone who where also related to the loveridges
on the loveridge side these are a few of em i can remember
queenie [gran
louie sister of above
stephen brother
nobby brother
charlie brother
not sure if there are any more
stone side
mary [gran
ike
and still trying to find the rest
sylvie
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Hi Jenny and Sylvie,
If I remember correctly Jenny you are the lady who has a family tree on GRU with Despair in, both you and Sylvie should PM chinacharlie as he is related to both the Loveridges and Smiths.
Neither china or myself know who Scally is or why she is interested in Despair and his family.
Regards
Lyne.
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thanks for that netti. funny thing i lived in wisbech in cambridgeshire for 13 years and only just moved back to essex. i do know there are a lot of loveridges in cambridgeshire but spread abt
sylvie
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Neither china or myself know who Scally is or why she is interested in Despair and his family.
Regards
Lyne.
My interest isn't direct, I'm afraid.
I have an ancestor (a third cousin 3x removed) who I believed married a Counseletta Loveridge in 1903 in Bedfordshire and I'm trying to trace her family. I believe that she may be the person named in my very first post and listed as a sibling to Despair.
That said, I am doing a family tree of a friend who comes from Hodgkins/Boswell and there is a possible Loveridge connection there as well through marriage. So, being a naturally nosy person, I am trying to firm up the details I now have on the many Loveridges found throughout Worcs, Warks, Staffs, Beds, Cambs and see who is related to who and see if somehow her family and mine share some sort of authentic connection, however slim or distant that connection is.
Apart from which, the Loveridges are a fascinating lot as they seem to be everywhere so they make good research material.
Regards
ScallyW
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Hi Sylvie,
Yes there are alot of Loveridges and Smiths in Bedfordshire and Cambridgeshire especially Willingham, some of my family are very good friends with the Loveridges. ;D
Scally, I think you need to PM chinacharlie as well because he has alot of information that he may be able to pass on to you.
Regards
Lyne
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I have an ancestor (a third cousin 3x removed) who I believed married a Counseletta Loveridge in 1903 in Bedfordshire and I'm trying to trace her family. I believe that she may be the person named in my very first post and listed as a sibling to Despair.
This is an old thread so everyone may have lost interest in it!
I don't think that the Councellette Loveridge who married Woodlock Smith at Bedford in 1903 is the same Councellete aged 3 in 1881.
In censuses:
1901 census
Van , Clapham Rd, Bedford
Woodlock Smith head marr 30 Grinder
Loveridge Smith wife 29
Christopher Smith son 11
Morany Smith dau 5
All born Bedford
1891 census
The Cock Inn, St Paul, Bedford
Counsy Smith Lodger marr 20 (female) b Beds
Woodlock Smith lodger marr 22 Grinder b Beds
Christopher Smith lodger 13 months b Odell Beds
It looks to me as though in 1891 Counsy was Councellette (or however you like to spell it) and the 1903 marriage was a better late than never affair. She appears to have died in Bedford in 1955 aged 82
What do you know about Woodlock? With the unusual name he is presumably connected to Woodlock Smith born c1834 at Biggleswade but he doesn't appear in 1871 or 1881 with that Woodlock. There is another Woodlock Smith age 57 in 1891 lodging at Kneesworth Cambs, born Bedford, a travelling grinder, who might be connected to the Woodlock who married in 1903
Not my family I hasten to add, just helping someone on another board
David
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Hi David,
This is a confusing one because due mainly to the fact that Woodlock is such an unusual name, one would think it easy to tie down people of this name. There aren't that many Woodlock Smiths about so any mentioned, rationally, have to be one of two people... three at a push.
There is a birth register for a Woodlock Smith in 1887 in Malling, Kent. Having not found a baptism record for him, it's hard to say how old he was when the birth was registered but he's found again in 1901 at Lambourne, Essex, aged 15 (1886) with his parents Walter Smith and Trailey (nee Taylor) along with a long list of other gypsies amongst which are Scarrits, Grays and Shoesmiths. A couple of Walter's brothers are listed there as well with their families, amongst which is James and Rosa Smith who were my paternal great grandparents. He's also listed in 1891 at Offham, Kent with his parents and siblings.
There is a death register in 1948, West Ham, Essex with DOB as 1887 as calculated by his age of 61 years at time of death.
The other Woodlock Smith (c 1833/4, Biggleswade) is the uncle of Walter Smith (Woodlock's father). He's the one listed in 1871 at Kensington, London with wife Justina (Buckley) and 1881 at Wanstead, Essex with family. There is a death record for a Woodlock Smith in 1882 at West Ham, Essex aged 48 (c1834) so he cannot be the person listed in 1891 at Kneesworth, Cambs even though his age would be spot on at that stage.
The Woodlock Smith listed in 1891 and 1901 that you quote show differing DOBs, but only by a few years (1869 & 1871) and that's not so odd in this game, and if the marriage record I found showed a Woodlock Smith marrying a Councie Lette Loveridge, and this couple are the people you quote, it could explain why in the 1901 census, his wife is down as Loveridge Smith instead of her real forename. But. What are the chances there are two Woodlock Smiths who both marry Councelette Loveridges? Pretty small, I imagine and if we are to assume that the people in the census records from 1891 and 1901 are the same (and the presence of a son named Christopher in both implies they are), why would his wife use the name Loveridge if that wasn't her maiden name? So, we can assume that the marriage I found refers to another Woodlock Smith than the one I first thought it was but what strikes me as odd is there is no other reference to him. I can't find a birth or death record for him, nor any census records with his parents to tie down who he might be. There is a tree on Ancestry that shows a Woodlock Smith married to 'Loveridge' but with no mention on a son Christopher although there is a daughter noted by the name of Irene (Morany?) and a daughter of this child was given a middle name of Concilette. Nothing is substantiated with records though so unfortunately it counts as hearsay.
I did wonder if he could be a son of Woodlock Smith (1834) but if so, why doesn't he appear in the 1871 or 1881 census? All a bit of a mystery, I'm afraid.
There is a marriage in 1917, West Ham for a Woodlock Smith to a Betsy Smith so instead of 'my' Woodlock Smith marrying young (16) to Councilette Loveridge, he could be the one who married later (30) to Betsy. The Woodlock Smith born 1929 has his mother's maiden name down as Smith as well so that ties in with the above marriage.
The only Woodlock Smiths I've found as far as births go is the 1887 one and one in 1929 West Ham, Essex but this is also a death record in 1930 for an infant so presumibly that's the same one.
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Not sure if anyone reads this thread any longer but I'm sending a message with hope.
I wonder if you have any connection with my GGGrandfather. He seems to use the names James Savey or Sabey or Saby SMITH or Harry SMITH or James called Henry SMITH born in Biggleswade (see below for dates, etc).
1882 marriage cert James Savey SMITH aged 21 (B=1861), father Charles SMITH both Horse dealers. Annie Elizabeth RAWBOTTOM, father George RAWBOTTOM. Battle Bridge, Kings X (now Islington)
1888 birth cert of daughter Florence Elizabeth Lucy SMITH, Islington. Father Harry SMITH. Mother Mary Ann SULLIVAN.
1892 Belgium immigration James-Savey called Henri SMITH DOB of 27 October 1860 or on the same document Henry (James) SMITH born 1856 both in Biggleswade, Beds. Same doc his parents listed as, Father Charles SMITH and mother Annie BARNABY of Biggleswade. Also lists 6 children (inc twin boys). Horse Trader.
1911 census born 1962 James Sabey SMITH, Cemetary Road, Doncaster, Horse dealer. Wife Mary Ann S SMITH
1920 death cert aged 58 (B=1862) James Saby SMITH, Doncaster, Horse slaughterer. Wife M A Smith
Mother of 3 children, including 2 twin boys is Annie SALOMON (may be Belgian phonetic spelling?)
Mother of 2 children is Mary Ann SULLIVAN
Another 17 children according to the 1911 census
I have found one other James Sabey SMITH but he was born in Huntingdon, Huntingdonshire in 1870 and although I suspect they are connected I struggle with the name Smith to narrow it down.
Any help would be appreciated - even if only to say there's no connection to your family, though quite frankly I'm loving the Loveridge names.
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Here are some census references, baptisms and marriages which are connected to the people named in the above discussion:
CAM Fen Drayton bp1/11/1865 Elijah s/o Humphrey/Matilda SMITH, gipsy vagrant
1871CAM-1580/10/12 Humphrey SMITH (28) gipsy, Matilda LOVERIDGE (25) +4
1881HUN-1603/90/28 Humphrey (44) e-w.dlr, Matilda (37) +3
HUN Bluntisham bp20/4/1903 Daisy d/o Elijah/Consuletta SMITH, of Buckden
William & Salome SMITH lived with Noah and Maria LOVERIDGE in 1841:
1841HUN-0450/9//2/3 Noah (25) Maria (20) +0
Noah and Maria were the parents of Joseph and John LOVERIDGE:
NTS Towcester bp27/8/1843 John s/o Noah/Maria LOVERIDGE, pedlar of T
NTS Towcester bp3/9/1848 Joseph s/o Noah/Maria LOVERIDGE, pedlar of T
John LOVERIDGE appears in 1891 as follows:
1891SFK-1445/141/21 John (36) trav’g rzr.gr & um.mkr, Saney LOVERIDGE (32) +7
Joseph LOVERIDGE is a parent in the following baptism:
BDF Bedford St Paul bp6/3/1866 Stephen s/o Joseph (dec’d)/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, travs of Barn Yard
One of the daughters of William and Salome SMITH had a name which models for Despair LOVERIDGE’s wife in:
1881HUN-1611/99/3 Despair (24) tin brazier & hkr, Chrysane (24) +11
HUN Abbots Ripton bp3/10/1830 Crisaney d/o William/Salome SMITH, Gipsey of A.R
It is too old to be the baptism of Despair’s wife, but this is Despair:
CAM Witcham bp20/4/1856 Spares s/o Montague/Elizabeth SMITH, ch.btr, trav of nfa
Census 1851EX-1766/434/15 Stephen LOVERIDGE (31) trav, Silvester THORPE (29) +5
Census 1861EX-1121/25/42 Stephen LOVERAGE (40) mt.mkr, spouse Silvesta SHAW (42)+12
BKM Woughton on the Green bp14/1/1816 Stephen s/o Solomon/Mary LOVERIDGE, dlr in woodenware of Towcester
HUN Bluntisham bp11/1/1846 Christiana d/o Stephen/Sylvestre LOVERIDGE, gipsies of B, trav salesman
CAM Bourn bp21/12/1843 Counseletta d/o Stephen/Silvesta LOVERIDGE, tinker of Towcester
CAM Caxton bp12/12/1841 Stephen s/o Stephen/Silvester LOVERIDGE, bsk.mkr of Towcester
CAM Ickleton bp4/2/1849 Sentina d/o Stephen/Silvester LOVERIDGE, trav wr.wkr from Towcester
Related baptisms and marriages follow:
CAM Chatteris bp27/2/1876 (b24/7/1875) Julia Ann d/o -/Sabina LOVERIDGE, spin
CAM Chatteris bp27/2/1876 (b2/4/1874) Elizabeth d/o -/Sabina LOVERIDGE, spin
CAM Chatteris bp27/2/1876 (b2/6/1872) John s/o -/Sabina LOVERIDGE, spin
CAM Chatteris m29/4/1876 Sabina LOVERIDGE (no age given) (fa: Montague – lab) = John SAVAGE (no age given) lab (fa: Robert – lab)
EX Eastwood bp13/8/1911 Elijah s/o –/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, flr.slr of E.
EX Eastwood bp13/8/1911 Elias s/o -/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, flr.slr of E
EX Eastwood bp13/8/1911 Charles s/o -/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, flr.slr of E
EX Eastwood bp13/8/1911 Stephen s/o -/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, flr.slr of E
EX Eastwood bp3/5/1914 (b7/9/1913) Albert s/o -/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, hkr of E
EX Eastwood bp3/5/1914 (b17/5/1902) Queenie d/o -/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, hkr of E
EX Eastwood bp19/9/1915 (10/4) Rosina d/o -/Eliza LOVERIDGE, hkr of E
EX Eastwood m27/11/1922 Queenie LOVERIDGE (full) (fa: blank) = Pender BUCKLEY (full) hkr (fa: Lazarus – hkr)
EX Eastwood m26/12/1931 Elias LOVERIDGE (26) (fa: Stephen STONE – hkr) = Matilda LIVERMORE (24) (fa: John – hkr)
EX Eastwood bp2/7/1922 Elizabeth d/o Elijah STONE/Elizabeth LOVERIDGE, hkr of E
EX Little Totham pbp12/5/1891 Arthur s/o Spares/Lanie LOVERIDGE, tinker of L.T. Plains
TL
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Hi there. I realise this is a fairly old thread but am hoping somebody could help?
My children are from the Loveridge/Stone family and I have been trying to trace their family back for them. Their grandfather was Brian Norman Loveridge ( now sadly deceased) and their Great Grandfather was Elijah (Sonny) Loveridge, son of Elizabeth Loveridge and (I assume) Stephen Stone. After this is where it becomes confusing for me! Brian was my father-in-law and he sometimes spoke to me about his past/family but other than that he wasn't a man of many words lol. I remember him mentioning that technically he was a Stone but that somewhere along the line some of the 'Stone' family became Loveridge's as one of the mothers gave her children her maiden name,refusing to give them their paternal name in protest that her partner would not marry her. I am hoping that someone could kindly fill in for me as to who were the parents of Stephen Stone,so that I can continue to trace back? Additionally,if anyone is tracing to the present,I am happy to help if I can with info relating to the two sons of Elijah (Sonny) Loveridge and Margaret Jennings (Ronald and Brian).
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Hi Orphan Annie,
Elizabeth Loveridge lived with both Stephen Stone and his brother and had children with both of them, never married either of them and her children were registered in her surname of Loveridge even though their dads were Stone's.
The children Elizabeth had with Stephen Stones brother were Charles, Stephen, Elizabeth, Albert, Rosina, Elijah, Queenie and Jeremiah.
The children Elizabeth had with Stephen Stone were Mary, Louisa and Elias.
Stephen Stones parents could possibly be Stephen and Matilda Stone.
Some of the Stone family lived on the Bohemia Estate in Essex
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Thank you so much for your reply. I was already aware of most of what you wrote,and certainly I knew that Brian, too grew up in Eastwood. He showed me where he had lived,on land at the bottom of what is now Glenwood Avenue. I wasn't aware however,that Sonny (Elijah) was the son of Elias and not Stephen so that is great information to have - thank you! I will do some research to try to find out if Stephen & Matilda were indeed the parents of Elias/Stephen,but in the event that I cannot confirm that for sure,is it possible that I could get a copy of Elias' birth certificate? That would give his parents names wouldn't it? And if so,where would I be able to order one from? Sorry...so many questions!!
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Just to update...Elizabeth was with both Stephen and his brother Elijah (and not Elias). Elizabeth's son Elijah (sonny),my children's gg grandfather,was definitely the son of Stephen. Gosh,its been so confusing!
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Elijah Loveridge was my g uncle and the brother to my grandfather Elias. Mother was Elizabeth and Father Stephen Stone. I remember Brian he is Ronnies brother if I remember correctly.
Stephen Stone was the father of Louisa, Queenie, Stephen, Elijah. Elias and Charlie and there was a sister Betty from his brother.
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Hi, I'm a newbie on here. I'm not sure how old the thread is but I'm hoping the posters can help me. I'm trying to track down information about my grandmother's family.
I believe that I am related to poly1963 and orphan-annie, by way of William Stone, the eldest son of Stephen Stone and Matilda Giles based on the DNA I share with others who are descended from siblings of Matilda Giles. I think I may also possibly be related to some of the earlier posters on this thread. My g grandfather was a James Stone, son of William Stone (a horse dealer like the elder Stephen Stone) and a Salome Smith (according to the birth certificate of James Stone). I have also heard that William was married to a Salome Hedges who was from a fairground family. I've not been able to find William and Salome together in the marriage or census records, or William and James together. Given the relationship between the Loveridge and the Stone family it doesn't seem far-fetched that Salome Smith could also relate to this family.
I'd be grateful for anyone that has any info on William Stone (born ~1868 in Essex) especially anything about Salome or other partners. I'd also be interested to know if anyone from the Stone or the Wisdom Smith family have done DNA testing - this could be very helpful in confirming the links.
Many thanks!
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Hi RedRedBlue
I have this from a large document I have on the Giles/Lovell family.
(3) 1.7.1 William STONE
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Birth: circa 1870, Wanstead Flats, Essex, England879
Probably William born Mar 1870 Romford 4a 132 or William John born June 1870 W. Ham 4a 42.
There were also other children.591
Spouse: Salome HEDGES
The Hedges were fairground people.591
Children: William
Albert (1900-)
Stephen
Elias
Matilda
Kathleen
(4) 1.7.1.1 William STONE
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(4) 1.7.1.2 Albert STONE
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Birth: 18 March 1900
(4) 1.7.1.3 Stephen STONE
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Occupation: Boxer
Stephen died in his thirties and may have had other children, but not by his wife Emily.591
Spouse: Emily JONES
Death: 1991
Emily was from Bethnal Green and not Romany.591
Children: Winifred (ca1931-)
Not much but hope you may get something from it.
Best wishes
Poly1963
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Hi can i add an info request please , i've got two loveridge travelling families in my daughters tree , one each from my and the wife's sides , both from norfolk/cambs area and would like to find a link between if poss .
Mine : Kenneth W Loveridge and 5 siblings including sister Syberetta , children of Robert Loveridge and Louisa Banham , Robert himself son of James L.
Wifes : 4G GM is Caroline / Lena Loveridge who married William Bird. Caroline daughter of Thomas L and Susan Parker born Hemel Hempstaed in 1857.
I think this Thomas is one of upto 3 or 4 kids to William L and Trainett Davis.
any info to concur this or connect the two would be great to find , or slightly worrying for a girl showing ' the gift' on occasions , Thanks.
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I know of Thomas and Susan. There daughter Tryphena had 3 girls who partnered 3 brothers who were my great gran's brothers. Also there son John partnered Mariah Parker my 2 x great gran Eliza's sister .
I have your Caroline down as Selina though. Are you down from one of Lena/Carolina/selina and William's kids.
Susan Parker i have as the daughter of Willim and Eliza. There is a possible connection with my 3 xgg Comfort Parker but i havent found it yet.
Now Thomas though i can not pin down, what have you found tht connects home to William and Trainet who i have heard of also.
(by the way Despairs who this thread is for is my 4 x great uncle)
Tracey
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Hi Tracey - thanks for getting back to me,
It's been bit of a tough ride all round to find this family and any real locked positions.
what we do have fixed is our Gt Grandmother Abgael Bird , bn 1872 in chatteris and married Hiram Wilson abt 1897 - they have 15 ish kids in norfolk and have only found them at the earliest on 1911 census so not sure where they were until then.
Abgael's Parents are William Bird, and Caroline / Lena Loveridge born 1857 in Hemel Hempstead and appear first in 1901
Caroline's parents i have as Thomas Loveridge born 1831 in bedfordhire and Susan Parker bn 1831 in Bucks.
I have very little info for these guys and any further up partially due to no censuses then,and its out of my area, so have tried to make the best of what info i can find , if any certainties come up for or against this pattern i would like to get it right as good as i can - i havent got time to write a pretend story.
What i do also think correct is another daughter of Caroline and William- [ so Abgaels Sister ]
Cinderella Loveridge Bird , born 1892 in Peterborough and married Otey Thorpe in 1908 in Long Sutton, Lincolnshire - Otey being son of Ambrose Thorpe and Leviathan / Elizabeth Draper.
Cinder's has 4 children - Leviathan, Tennis , William and Caroline
hope this makes sense!!
Regards , Dave
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Hi Dave yes makes sense. I have come across all those in my research. I especially like Tennis. what a name. Cinderella is interesting to me as well because my 3 xx gg Alfred, brother of despair also has a Cinderella so i am sure these families must be connected. I do need to do some more work on this lot but as you say it is difficult. In fact i find this branch of the Loveridges very difficult and frustrating. They do not make life easy. I am sure though they are all connected given they come from the same areas and seem to cross over a lot with each other. Will have another look at all my stuff and see if i have anything else in my notes. Do you have a tree on ancestry.I do have a cousin who is very intrested in Thomas and Susan as there son John is his great gdad, so related to you to.
Also are you a member of the Rtfhs. This months journal has an article about the Thorpes.
Tracey
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Hi Poly,
Thanks very much for your message. I've also heard Salome Hedges, who was from a fairground family, linked to William Stone from one of my DNA matches. I wonder if Salome Smith and Salome Hedges are the same person? I've not found any records to help so I'm a bit stuck! I can't find anything useful in the 1901 or 1911 census when my great grandfather would have been a child.
It's possible I'm barking up the wrong tree but my DNA matches a large number of people on the Giles/Lovell tree and my 2x G Grandfather is definitely a William Stone, Romany horse dealer.
Thanks
Hi RedRedBlue
I have this from a large document I have on the Giles/Lovell family.
(3) 1.7.1 William STONE
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Birth: circa 1870, Wanstead Flats, Essex, England879
Probably William born Mar 1870 Romford 4a 132 or William John born June 1870 W. Ham 4a 42.
There were also other children.591
Spouse: Salome HEDGES
The Hedges were fairground people.591
Children: William
Albert (1900-)
Stephen
Elias
Matilda
Kathleen
(4) 1.7.1.1 William STONE
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(4) 1.7.1.2 Albert STONE
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Birth: 18 March 1900
(4) 1.7.1.3 Stephen STONE
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Occupation: Boxer
Stephen died in his thirties and may have had other children, but not by his wife Emily.591
Spouse: Emily JONES
Death: 1991
Emily was from Bethnal Green and not Romany.591
Children: Winifred (ca1931-)
Not much but hope you may get something from it.
Best wishes
Poly1963
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Hello, I’m aware this is an old post but I wondered if you could help me. Brian Norman loveridge is my grandfather. These posts are really interesting but it also gets confusing, I’m trying to get as much information as I can about my family as I don’t know anything really, any help would be appreciated thankyou
Hi there. I realise this is a fairly old thread but am hoping somebody could help?
My children are from the Loveridge/Stone family and I have been trying to trace their family back for them. Their grandfather was Brian Norman Loveridge ( now sadly deceased) and their Great Grandfather was Elijah (Sonny) Loveridge, son of Elizabeth Loveridge and (I assume) Stephen Stone. After this is where it becomes confusing for me! Brian was my father-in-law and he sometimes spoke to me about his past/family but other than that he wasn't a man of many words lol. I remember him mentioning that technically he was a Stone but that somewhere along the line some of the 'Stone' family became Loveridge's as one of the mothers gave her children her maiden name,refusing to give them their paternal name in protest that her partner would not marry her. I am hoping that someone could kindly fill in for me as to who were the parents of Stephen Stone,so that I can continue to trace back? Additionally,if anyone is tracing to the present,I am happy to help if I can with info relating to the two sons of Elijah (Sonny) Loveridge and Margaret Jennings (Ronald and Brian).
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Unsure if anybody can help me learn more on all of this. Brain loveridge is my grandfather so this is really interesting, any help would be appreciated thankyou!
Elijah Loveridge was my g uncle and the brother to my grandfather Elias. Mother was Elizabeth and Father Stephen Stone. I remember Brian he is Ronnies brother if I remember correctly.
Stephen Stone was the father of Louisa, Queenie, Stephen, Elijah. Elias and Charlie and there was a sister Betty from his brother.
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Hi All
This thread has been going for a number of years now and still being added too.Long may it continue.
I would love to see a picture of him and his wife.
If you find you are connected to him and his descendants and they settled in Eastwood Essex then please check out Bohemia Estate on Facebook. We have over five hundred members and half are probably connected to Despair.
Revisiting this thread I've discovered more information that a long time ago made no sense. Today it has meaning.
Never give up.