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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: hineahua on Saturday 23 October 10 22:15 BST (UK)
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Hi to Everyone
I am researching my Mother's side of the family.
John & Annie Copeland lived in Portobello, John was a Baker and
Confectioner and had a shop in 254 High Street. John died in 1913 and his son John took over the business, he died 1956.
His sister Annie Stewart and her husband John then had the shop. After her husband died Annie took over the shop until she died 1981. I am looking for any connections to the family or anyone that can give me some information about the family.
Thank you
Regards
Hineahua (New Zealand)
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Hi,
Try around Aberdeen, Rayne, Turriff, or Tough. My Family is connected to the Hall family. One of the girls married Moses Copland as it was spelt SP.
If you get stuck you could try Alford Family History Society. There should be a link to this, if you find the links at the beginning of Aberdeen.
In your family, just to make sure, You have an Alexander Honeyman married to a daughter of the Hall family.
If you pm me I can invite you to view my family tree on Ancestry or Genes and I can then show you the connection I have and maybe that would help you with the rest of your family members. Also on Ancestry is a relative of yours also researching Copeland and Hall.
Marcie ::)
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Hinehua,
Moses Copland 1858 m Mary Hall 1856-1932 Moved to Australia then NZealand
children: John Copland 1880-1931
Moses Copland 1881
James Copland 1883 - 1967
George Copland 1885 - 1946
Mary Copland 1887 - 1957
Mary Halls Parents were John Hall 1822 - 1899 m Margaret forbes my 4x grgran
Margaret Forbes mother Mary Craig(maiden name) married Adam Forbes then George Hall Mary is my 5x grgran Her father was Alexander Craig Mother Margaret? Boothe
marcie
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Hi Marcie
Not sure if hineahua has an Aberdeen connection with her line of Copelands. From a previous post on this line by hineahua
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,485331.0.html
Roots for the family look to be Ireland and Ayrshire it would seem.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
Just thought that with her mentioning Portobello that she would be searching near Leith, Edinburgh. Aberdeen is just crows flight from there
and Moses and mary did move from Aberdeen area for New Zealand eventually
if you remember you found the information for me when I was searching for my 3x grgran Marjory Charles for whom I now have via a relative a copy of her birth certificate. Her name was actually Marjory McDonald Charles. Have not found where McDonald comes into it yet. Will have to have a sleuth.
Is there a Portobello in Ireland or one in Ayrshire?
If the info I have posted is of no use to her, nothings lost. perhaps others will be able to help. And I include you in that, sleuth extraordinaire.
Marjorie
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Hi Monica,
Just thought that with her mentioning Portobello that she would be searching near Leith, Edinburgh. Aberdeen is just crows flight from there and Moses and mary did move from Aberdeen area for New Zealand eventually if you remember you found the information for me when I was searching for my 3x grgran Marjory Charles for whom I now have via a relative Glen in Canada a copy of her birth certificate. Her name was actually Marjory McDonald Charles. Have not found where McDonald comes into it yet. Will have to have a sleuth.
Is there a Portobello in Ireland or one in Ayrshire?
If the info I have posted is of no use to her, nothings lost. perhaps others will be able to help. And I include you in that, sleuth extraordinaire.
Marjorie
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Dont know what happened there,
a touch of double vision ::) :-\
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Hi
The Copeland family I am researching came from Down, Ireland to Ayr and John Copeland moved to Portobello and started his Bakery business. It was my grandmother Margaret Sullivan Copeland that emigrated to New Zealand in 1923.
I am trying to find out more about about her brothers
William Shuttleton Copeland married to Christina Deholm Currie
James Copeland married Helen Lyon Baptie
George McCall Shuttleton Copeland married Catherine Mary McInnes
I have their Birth deaths and marriages.
Any help with their children and connection would be appreciated.
Regards Hineahua
;D
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Hi,
This is not directly onnected to your topic but I am interested in your Christina Denholm Currie do you know who are parents are.
Thanks
Jesie
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HiThe Copeland family I am researching came from Down, Ireland to Ayr and John Copeland moved to Portobello and started his Bakery business. It was my grandmother Margaret Sullivan Copeland that emigrated to New Zealand in 1923.I am trying to find out more about about her brothers
William Shuttleton Copeland married to Christina Deholm CurriJames Copeland married Helen Lyon BaptiGeorge McCall Shuttleton Copeland marriedCatherine Mary McInnesI have their Birth deaths and marriages.Any help with theirchildren and connection would be appreciated.Regards Hineahua
;D
We are talking of Portobello in Leith, nr Edinburgh, Midlothian? Do you know the year that they moved from Ireland to Ayr and then to Portobello? Marcie
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Hi Jessie
Christina Denholm Currie, parents were George Currie and Janet Denholm.
Regards Hineahua
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Hi Marcie
Yes from Edinburgh, Leith and I think Fife.
John Copeland & Isabella Walker came from Down Ireland to Ayr about
1853-56 to Ayrshire. John their son married Annie McCall Shuttleton
1882 St Quivox in Ayr and moved to Portobello sometime after that.
All their children were born in Edinburgh and Portobello.
Regards Hineahua :)
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Hi ,
Then there could well be a connection to the Copland/Copeland family from Rayne etc. Elaine Nixon (a member of ancestry), is in nz and is looking for people of that name. If either I invite you or you join temporarily the pair of you can get together to see if there is a connection. Except for Moses, the other names you mention seem to run through that family from around that period and perhaps are siblings or cousins to those I have connexions to. The same as in your direct family. I found a site where they have some old photos of Portobello, just by googling Portobello Edinburgh and I made a note of some bakeries. High Street Portobello is a Greggs bakers I think 164. Wondered if you had the exact address, it may be nice to have a copy if its a match.
marcie
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I found a John Copeland on 1871 census for portobello
I think it says 9 Bidulph
George Amos hd aged 36 born haddington
Charlotte Amos wife 32 b. haddington
Cassie? Amos aged 3 daughter Edinburgh
John Copeland Uncle 85 Retired GateKeeper Jedburgh Roxburgh
I dont think this is what you are looking for. Could not find anyone by that name in 1861 but in 1851 Gros 685/02 180/00 002
John Copeland aged 65 Hd St.Cuthberts Gatekeeper
Catherine 48 wife born greenock
Elizabeth Anderson aged 17 Niece born Huntly Aberdour
No other Copeland of that spelling turned up .
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Right Jane,
the 1891 census Gros 684/01 004/ 00 025 Duddingston & Portobello
146 High Street Portobello
Thomas Copeland Hd age is illegible occ: Confectioner born Newton Ayr
Annie Copeland wife age 29 also born Newton Ayr
John Copeland son aged 7 Scholar born in Edinburgh
William Copeland son 5 Scholar born Edinburgh
James Copeland son aged 3 born in Portobello
there is also a mention of a jamie? Morrison son un cannot read age. Domestic servant
Have not checkedEdinburgh to find the exact date of their arrival in the area. They seem to have fallen between census. but checking the birth of the two children born in Edinburgh would give you a more accurate date. Marjorie
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254 High Street, Portobello, seems to be a restaurant these days.
http://www.list.co.uk/place/102912-reds/
Portobello has never been part of Leith, incidentally.
Hibee
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Jane, tried looking for John and Williams births in Edinburgh, came up empty handed, no matches. Maybe someone else may be able to find them for you. Have not tried James aged 3, that would mean he would have beenborn abt.1887/8
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Ok some success. Birth Gros 684/ 01 0005
James Copeland born at no 2 Wellington Street, Portobello on the
17th December, 1887 at 11hrs pm to
John Copeland occ: confectioner &
Annie McCall Copeland/ ms Shattleton
who were married 6th December 1882 in Ayr.
so they lived here and ran their business from 146 High Street Portobello
if you allow me to have you email I can send you a copy of the birth certificate which I downloaded or you can use the above Gros no and order one. not sure why I cannot find the other two boys birth certs though.
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I can't help with your Copeland family but if you are interested in the Shuttletons let me know as I have some earlier information.
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Hi Worldlywanderer
I am interested in the Shuttletons, my g-grandmother was a Shuttleton.
Her parent were William Shuttleton and Margaret Jane Sullivan.
Married 1882 in St Quivox in the County of Ayr.
Any information you are willing to share would be great.
Thank you
Hineahua (NZ) :)
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Hi hineahua,
I was brought up in Portobello for 20 years I lived just along the road at a place called Joppa, I remember my mum shopping in Copeland's on her way home regularly, she thought the product was second to none.
Portobello was a lovely little seaside town but it has changed a good bit not like when I lived there, the shops are a disgrace to what they were originally. The shop Copeland owned is the white one, in the days when the family owned it the shop front was just stone colour.
I have attached two photos, one where the shop was and the other where they lived, the house they lived in is on top of the shops to the left of the photo looking at it with the pink blinds.
It should be noted that Portobello is not in Leith or attached to it, Portobello joined Edinburgh in the 1800's and the town was started around 1747.
Cheers.
Archie.
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Hi Thank you for your photos and information about the Copeland's shop.
My g grandfather was a masterbaker & confectioner, he died 1913 and my
g grandmother took over the running of the shop. Then her daughter and son in-law Annie & John Stewart. My G Aunt Annie Stewart was still running the shop until her death in 1981.
Regards Hineahua ;)
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Hi hineahua,
Copeland's shop is roughly where the car is on the right, on the left of the photo this has all be redeveloped with nice buildings, the photo was taken around 1930.
Regards.
Archie.
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The Copeland / mcinnes marriage produced two daughters in 1932 and 1934' Dorothy and Irene . Dorothy died of encephalitis c 1980 having had two children, andrew an Catherine. Their father died in the early 1980's . Irene married oliver Paul laidlaw in July 1959 and they produced a son and a daughter and four grandchildren, two in Edinburgh and two in a London.
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I have copeland family along with halls in my family tree perhaps we are related, my cousins used to go swimming in portobello.
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my third cousin glen in canada,is also related to the copelands, halls, and moss families. and browns hutcheon,forbes.
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I have been busy on other things for a couple of years but nearly ready to return to Genealogical research. My interest in this family is the Shuttleton line which makes anyone later than Annie a relative, albeit distant. I have a considerable amount of research on that line which I am happy to share.
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we probably are related my maiden name was laidlaw but I dont think connected ro pauls line unless they are cousins my 3rd cousin is glen kalyk he lives in vancouver or ontario his great grandfather was hope I can remember this right, robert moss-brown, if you can message me and send your email address i will forward it on to him and also invite you to peruse my family tree, althhough I have 7 of them so a lot of research,but only one of them has any connections to copeland hall etc my great gran on my grandads side was marjory brown for short, actual name was marjory charles ferguson mcdonald baron brown laidlaw husband was john laidlaw.
ferguson mcdonald baron brown they had 5 daughters and 3 sons. her mother, was agnes hutcheon,he married marjory charles;his mother was elizabeth mcdonald, marjory charles' mother was margaret forbes, her mother was mary craig both mary craig and her dughter margaret forbes married(1.) john hall+mary craigmarrried a geotge hall or the otherway around,)margaret forbes was due to marry adam charles a weaver, but on their wedding day he suffered a fatal accident, she was pregnant at this time may have married a george hall, no relation to john, but then she married james hutcheon his fathers' name wasI think. john; hope this helps point you in the right direction. cant give you dates or extra info as cannot remember it all.
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my famly is full of ""marjory, margaret and mary, mary and john had a margaret I think, cant remember what marjory had, may have been a margaret after her own mother margaret forbes I do remember that the barons were servants' in a household but have no further info than that.
the hall family , their father walked out on them said he was going to aus to do some prospecting, when he did not come back, she went ;out there to find him, could not 'so rather than go home, she went to caroliner didnt find himthere possibly following a leed, so remarried to someone called sylvestrissylvestre or something. but hink she met him in aus, so she must have gone back there, she already had 8 children, she and sylvestre has another 5?most of the graves can be found there :I believe, but don't quote me.
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Hi Archie:
I was "home" on vacation a month ago and drove from my boyhood house down Portobello High Street, through Joppa and Musselburgh and on to North Berwick. Portobello High Street is a bit run down all right (and a bit garish in places) but it still brought back many fond memories.
Ian
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John Copeland & Isabella Walker came from Down Ireland to Ayr about
1853-56 to Ayrshire. John their son married Annie McCall Shuttleton
1882 St Quivox in Ayr and moved to Portobello sometime after that.
I helped a friend many years ago with a family tree & I'm pretty sure (after a bit more digging) there was a connection with this family (not direct line)?
Basics I have are:
Agnes (Nancy) Cop(e)land b c1906 was the daughter of;
COPLAND HARRY (Henry Wilson) & JACKSON SUSAN 1895
564/1 172 Greenock East
Susan died 1912 aged 35 yrs (COPLAND SUSAN 35 1912 644/9 617 Milton)
Harry/Henry remarried after Susan's death to the g/mother of my friend.
Henry Wilson Copland (Widower) married Mary Melrose Taylor (Widow) 29 Dec 1916 Camlachie, Glasgow
Parents John Copland & Isabella Walker.
COPLAND HENRY WILSON b 25 Feb 1872 578/ 148 Ayr
Annie