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I'm hoping that someone might be able to help me with any information regarding my great-grandmother's family and ancestors before they left Wales to go to South Africa.
My great-grandmother was born Blodwen John on the 11 March 1892 and was registered in Pontarddulais, Swansea. According to information passed on to by family her mother was Miriam Hughes born in abt 1868 in Llangyfelach. Her father was known as John but I think his name was Thomas Benjamin John, born in abt 1865 in Llangiwg.
Blodwen had 7 siblings:
Elizabeth, born abt 1890 in Rhyndwyclydach
Thomas B, born abt 1891 in Llanguick
James (Jim), born abt 1894, in Wales
William, born 28 March 1896, in Swansea
Sarah, born abt 1900, in South Africa
May, born abt 1903 in South Africa
Danny, born abt 1904 in South Africa
In 1871, I think I've found Thomas John living with his grandparents, John and Sarah Griffiths in Craig Y Merched.
Then in 1881, it looks like he is living with relatives, Owen and Maria Jones (John) and family in Llwynmudw Isaf, Llanguick.
In 1888 he marries Mirriam in Pontardawe.
In 1891 the family are listed living at 44 Craig Ynisymudw Cottages in Llanguick.
I'm not sure when he left for South Africa but Miriam and the children follow on the 10 November 1900.
I would love to find out what happened to Thomas' parents and siblings. Can anyone help?
I also have a photograph with the wording on the back "John family in Wales at haymaking time". (not sure how to attach - doesn't seem to be giving me the option)
Many thanks,
Sue
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Hi
In 1871, I think I've found Thomas John living with his grandparents, John and Sarah Griffiths in Craig Y Merched.
Have you found a marriage between a male John and a female Griffiths?
I would recommend buying a copy of his 1888 marriage cert to establish his fathers name and occupation
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The 1871 entry you refer to shows his birthplace as Carmarthenshire - he was only living in Llanguicke. Your Thomas was b Glamorgan
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In 1891 the family are listed living at 44 Craig Ynisymudw Cottages in Llanguick.
Many thanks,
Sue
1891
They are living at 44 Craig Ynysmeudwy Cottages in Mawr Glamorganshire
Suz
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Thank you so much for your quick responses and help.
I'm in the process of waiting for the marriage certificate for Blodwen John in South Africa so that I can confirm her father's name. So far I've been waiting for 2 years despite the fact that my father has been following it up, in person, every couple of months. Looks like I will have to go ahead and order her birth certificate which should then give me more information to help with the marriage certificate for Thomas and Miriam.
I wondered if the 1871 entry may have been a slip up on his grandparents part but maybe I am wrong. I've not been able to find a marriage between a male John and female Griffiths.
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You really need the 1888 marriage cert if you want to trace their respective ancestry
This is the full 1891 entry for Llanguick - which you may already have
Thomas John 26 Llanguick Glamorgan - tin furnaceman
Miriam 23 b Rhyadwy Clydach Glamorgan
Elizabeth 1 b Rhyadwy Clydach
Thomas B 4 mths b Llanguick
RG12 Piece 4467 Folio 144 Page 18
The 1881 entry you found with him as the nephew of Owen & Maria Jones is the correct entry
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I've tried to look at it from another angle - without success!!
If Thomas and Maria Jones were his blood relatives - was Maria a John before marriage
Answer - no - she was another Jones
Was there a John/Jones marriage in Glamorgan pre 1865 or anywhere else in Wales - No
My conclusion - he was illegitimate
There are lots of female "John" marriages in Glamorgan between 1865-1871 but Llanguicke came under Neath Registration district before 1875 and whilst it reduces the number - you are still looking at over 30 female "John" marriages in the period 1865-1871
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Yes, it would appear that there is not going to be an easy way around this. I'm doing my research on a shoe string budget but it looks like the birth and marriage certificates are what I need to get any further.
I've also been wondering if Thomas may have been illegitimate or that his parents died when he was very young and an only child.
I've also been told about a distant relative by the name of Meirion Mainwaring (born in abt the 1940s) whom my parents met when on holiday in Wales over 30 years ago. Not sure of the connection except that he was the son of a cousin (Blodwen) to my grandmother.
Thank you again for your help.
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can't find meirion's birth reg
there is this marriage reg
Marion Mainwaring
David John
Sept qtr 1949
Neath
8b 1163
may be no connection but as i had found it thought I would post it
Suz
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Hmmm, looks interesting. Will make a note of it and may look into it at some stage.
Thanks
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Been a few years now and I have a bit more information.
Marriage certificate dated 5 May 1888 at Tabernacle Chapel, Pontardawe:
Thomas Benjamin JOHN
Age 23 years
Batchelor
Occupation: Tin furnaceman
Residence at time of marriage: Graigllanguick Llanguick
Father: Benjamin JOHN (deceased)
Father's occupation: Tinman
Miriam HUGHES
Age 21 years
Spinster
Residence at time of marriage: Alltwen Killybebill
Father: Joseph HUGHES
Occupation: labourer in Iron works
Witnesses: Mary DAVIES and James HUGHES
Minister: John Thomas DAVIES
Registrar: Thomas REES
Still baffled as to how to find out more about Thomas Benjamin JOHN's parents....
Also trying to find out about son, Thomas B JOHN who is listed on 1891 census as aged 4 months. He is not on the passenger list when they went to South Africa. I can't seem to find a birth or death listed anywhere.
Have also spoken to my 2nd cousin recently and the male cousin my mother visited many years ago was Meirion Mainwaring, he would have been born about 1939. My cousin thinks that his mother was Blodwen JOHN but we don't know how they are connected yet. I've asked him to try and find out from his mother who is now in her 90's.
Many thanks,
Sue
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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JOHN, THOMAS BENJAMIN Mmn HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in PONTARDAWE Volume 11A Page 842
There is a possible death same namesake in same area June Q 1892 age 17, on the new GRO index it could mean 17mths?
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/pontardawe.html This would cover the Llangiwg area.
Cas
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Have found a birth for a Meirion Mainwaring in South Wales - earlier in the 1930s than you suggested. as he could still be alive I won't say too much, but he and his parents seem to have Rhondda connections (and his mother wasn't called Blodwen and her parents were English, so could well be on the wrong lines entirely!)
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Actually - think I'm now on the right track. there is a marriage of Edgar Mainwaring to a Blodwen Hughes who appear to have a child called with a variant spelling of Meirion in 1939
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Hi Mabel
Have already PM'd cannot find a death for him born 1939 so did not add to board. The cousin relationship is through the Hughes surname side not John.
I think the connection was brother of Miriam (John b 1871) was father of Blodwen Hughes, 1906 who married Edgar MainWaring. Fits with census.
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there is this death
Mr Meirion Mainwaring age 72 6 Jan 2012 Cardiff
maybe?
Suz
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Thanks will be following up. I agree, his mother must have been a HUGHES.
Well, I hope he isn't dead as he could be the source of information. Have found an address which I'll look into.
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Update: I now also have the marriage certificate of the relative to Miriam HUGHES. Blodwen HUGHES married Edgar MAINWARING on 23 October 1937 at the Siloh Sunday School in Llandeilo Talybont. Blodwen is Miriam JOHN (nee HUGHES)'s niece. So pleased to have cleared that connection. Blodwen HUGHES' son, Meirion, and my grandmother, Colwyn GIBB (nee BALLANTYNE) were 2nd cousins.
Looking forward to continuing my search for more information of Thomas Benjamin JOHN.