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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Jean_E on Saturday 06 November 10 19:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello from the U.S.A.
I am researching a Pinkerton family line who "had" to leave Scotland sometime after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge (1679) and who settled in the Ballymoney area of County Antrim. Family lore says 3 Pinkerton brothers emigrated from Scotland, probably from Ayrshire, after the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. The names of those 3 brothers: Robert, John, James. I've read a little about the Covenanters and the Battle of Bothwell Bridge. I understand the Pinkertons were connected with the Campbells of Argyll. Right now, I'm not sure if the family lore is just a good story or has a thread of truth.
The earliest information I have is for Robert Pinkerton, b. about 1770, Scotland, and his wife Jane Lockridge/Lochridge/Loughridge, b. about 1865, Scotland.
The only children of theirs about whom I know are 3 sons, all born in Ireland:
* Robert John Pinkerton, b. about 1797, Ireland; May have been called John
Married to Margaret Divine/Devine, b. about 1798, County Derry
They immigrated to Hebron, Washington County, New York in 1855, with passage paid for by a son, Samuel David Pinkerton, who immigrated in 1851.
Eventually, after the death of his wife, Robert John, returned to Ballymoney, County Antrim, where he died in 1876.
* James Pinkerton, b. about 1799, County Antrim
Married to Rachel Warwick/Warnick, b. about 1803 (or 1795), County Antrim
Eventually, the returned to Ballymoney, where they died and are buried in the Covenanter Cemetery, Ballymoney, County Antrim. I have a photo of their joint gravestone, along with a son, Andrew Pinkerton, d. 29 Aug 1884.
James, d. 29 Apr 1865, Ballymoney and Rachel, d. 24 Jan 1871, Newbuildings, Ballymoney
* Samuel Pinkerton, b. 1 Jan 1803, County Antrim
Married Mary Warnock, b. 1 Aug 1813, County Galway; Married 10 Apr 1841, County Antrim
Immigrated to USA in 1847 with 3 children; settling at Hartford, Washington County, New York and then moving to purchased farm land in Waupaca County, Wisconsin in 1853
Samuel d. 16 Oct 1892, Waupaca County, Wisconsin; Mary d. 19 Nov 1891
Andrew Pinkerton, son of James (b. about 1799) and Rachel Warwick/Warnick Pinkerton (b. 1795 or 1830) married and settled in Ballymoney. His wife: Nancy McCaw, b. 1847, Lisheegan, County Galway, whose mother's maiden name was also Pinkerton; married 2 Dec 1864 at Ballymoney Reformed Presbyterian Church, County Antrim.
* Andrew died in County Antrim 29 Aug 1894 and is buried in the Covenanter Cemetery, Ballymoney.
* Nancy McCaw Pinkerton died 27 May 1915.
* I have information of 5 children for them, all born at Ballymoney: Mary, b. 11 Oct 1867, d. 15 Jul 1890; Rachel, b. 22 Jul 1869, d. 2 Sept 1943; Anna, b. 15 Jun 1871; Samuel, b. 16 May 1876; and Sarah P., b. 19 Oct 1882
* Presumably some or all of them have descendants who are still in and around Ballymoney today.
If anyone has any tips or information on this Pinkerton family in Ireland or back to Scotland, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Jean_E, Missouri
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Jean_E,
Some generic info for you:
The PINKERTON surname is of Norman origin, and "got about a bit" before coming North (from England to Scotland).
[Just like the BRUCEs!]
Ref: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pinkerton/meaning.htm
Two 20thC PINKERTON ladies of Belfast created an index to the BMD entries in the 19thC Belfast Newsletter.
[In A4 book form, held behind the desk on the top floor of the Linen Hall Library.]
The Covenanters high point was during 1643-46 when the Government at Westminster was dominated by representatives sympathetic to Pb principles.
[The Assembly of Divines formulated the "Westminster Confession of Faith" at this time - the core creed of all Pb churches.]
The Covenanters low point came in 1679 when Richard Cameron and his few remaining followers were hounded down and killed. West Lanarkshire & East Ayrshire were the key areas of his support. He used to walk there from Edinburgh (50+ miles) to minister to his congregation.
[The 1680s then saw mayhem ensue. They were known as "The Killing Times" in Scotland - you could be killed simply for not conforming to King Charles II's designated version(s) of valid religion.]
Ref: http://www.east-ayrshire.gov.uk/comser/my%20area/muirkirk.asp
Ref: "Our Covenanter Heritage" ... (substantial tome - details TBD)
Many escaped over the water to Ulster.
[As had happened previously (in the early 1600s), when King James I broke the power of the riding clans in the Borders.]
If you cross the wide Missouri to visit, you must stop off at Grey Friar's Kirk in Edinburgh - signing place of the original Covenant, and prison (in the graveyard) for the Covenanters later. Also Sanquar, to see the market cross on which their later Declaration was pinned.
[ ... and check out Rabbie Burns' signature on the window in the pub as a bonus!]
Capt Jock
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Jean_E,
Generic information on the PINKERTON
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The Pinkerton's are a well known farming family in the Glasgow area, they used to grow rhubarb at Hogganfield & Houston, one of the four brothers, George, was a fighter pilot and shot down the second German raider of the last war over the Forth. They originated in Rutherglen where they were nurserymen at Grozzethall. There is also the Pinkerton who founded the detective agency and hailed from the Gorbals, he could have been off the same family, according to one of thr Hogganfield Pinkertons. Skoosh.
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Thank you to TheWhuttle (Capt Jock) and Skoosh for the background info on the Pinkertons.
I'd love to travel to Scotland and Ireland (Northern & Eire), as I have family lines from those places as well as England. I'll keep on picking away on the genealogy research.
It would be fun if Allan Pinkerton, the founder of the famous/infamous (depending upon what side one was on) Pinkerton Detective Agency in the U.S.A., but right now, that is only family lore, too -- that he was some distant relation. (As an aside, the Pinkerton Detective Agency logo was a large open human eye, with the motto "We Never Sleep" -- the source for the "private eye" designation for private detectives.)
I understand there are a number of geographical locations/features in Scotland with the name Pinkerton -- Pinkerton Burn, a stream in Fife; Little Pinkerton and Meikle Pinkerton in Dunbar (is that the civil parish?) in East Lothian; and Easter Pinkerton and Pinkerton Hill also in East Lothian.
According to my Pinkerton family lore, my family line came from East Lothian, but right now, that is only lore to me, too.
Again, thank you both for your input.
Jean_E, St. Louis area, Missouri
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Jean, you're right enough about the East Lothian connection according to Black's Scottish Surnames, very old name, has 1296 a Nicol Pinkerton. A John Pinkerton is in Glasgow in 1494, and John & Malcolm Pinkerton around 1560 in Rutherglen (the rhubarb dynasty?). One of my teachers was a Miss Pinkerton, married onto a brother of the pilot. When we were kids we used to pinch the rhubarb and eat it with sugar! skoosh.
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Thank you, Skoosh, for the information on East Lothian, Scotland and the Pinkertons. I'll start looking in that geographical area for a continuation back in my Pinkerton line. It looks like most of the Pinkertons were very fruitful, multipled and named their progeny after each other, too, just to add confusion to the search by their descendents. Bless 'em!
I love your rhubarb story and the information about hero fighter pilot.
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Jean_E, St. Louis area, Missouri
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They had a sign at the rhubarb fields Jean, "One stalk will do! if you take two, we'll get you!"
skoosh.
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If you haven't already used it, you may find http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/ a useful site to further your research too. There are some searchable databases (yielding numerous Pinkerton results from 1669 onwards - so certainly seems to have been a popular surname in the area) and a forum for asking questions.
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Thank you for the tip, Scotmum!
Jean_E, St. Louis area, Missouri
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I'm coming to this conversation 8 years late 😁 I started looking into my family tree when I turned 30. Both my Grandparents had passed many years before and my father was very unwell with dementia. I new nothing about my family or where we came from. I just knew we have scottish and American connections. The information on this post is very interesting. I'm from the Ballymoney Pinkerton's who lived in Seacon I've traced my family back we have always lived in that area right back to the 1800's. I still live in Northern Ireland I would be happy to help fill in the blanks if you need more information about my family.
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Hi Kelly – Your Ballymoney Pinkertons. Does the surname Connolly enter the knowledge you have.
Do you know if any of your Pinkertons went to New Zealand? Regards and thanks – Dinny.
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I'll be happy to share information about Pinkertons of Ballymoney. My grandmother was Mary Pinkerton from Dunaverney. I've got a lot of information on the Pinkertons of Secon; not all correctly placed on family trees, but maybe if we pool our information, we'll make connections. I have some old family photos too
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For reference, Dunaverny townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/dunluce-upper/ballymoney/dunaverny/
KG
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its hard to grasp the strands of the Pinkertons, so a short contribution
1660s see http://www.billmacafee.com
2192 164 L'Derry N. W. Liberties of L'Derry City of Londonderry Outside Walls at the Bishop's Gate Without Bishop's Gate James Pinkerton Pinkerton
7026 246 Tyrone Strabane Lower Camus Strabane Corporation Strabane Corporation William Pinkerton Pinkerton
1740 list of protestants see http://www.billmacafee.com
1616 Pinkerton Pinkerton David Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
1385 Pinkerton Pinkerton Elias Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
1614 Pinkerton Pinkerton Jas Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
1615 Pinkerton Pinkerton Joh Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
1434 Pinkerton Pinkerton John Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
1619 Pinkerton Pinkerton Rob Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
1433 Pinkerton Pinkerton Sam Dunluce Upper Ballymoney
2235 Pinkerton Pinkerton Jas Kilconway Finvoy
1763 list of protestants see http://www.billmacafee.com
394 Pinkerton Pinkerton Sam Dunluce
1796 Flax growers https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/antrim.php
223 Pinkerton Pinkerton David Dunluce Upper Ballymoney 1
226 Pinkerton Pinkerton John Dunluce Upper Ballymoney 1
227 Pinkerton Pinkerton SamuelDunluce Upper Ballymoney 1
1825 Tithe Applotment books see Irish Genealogy Hub
Pinkerton, David Townland: Ballynamoney Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Robert Townland: Ballynamoney Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Saml., Sr. Townland: Forttown Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Samuel, Jr. Townland: Forttown Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Robert Townland: Land Head Year: 1825
Pinkerton, David Townland: Seacon No. 3 Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Jno. Townland: Seacon No. 3 Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Robert Townland: Seacon No. 3 Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Samuel Townland: Seacon No. 3 Year: 1825
Pinkerton, Widow Townland: Seacon No. 3 Year: 1825
Griffiths Valuation 1861 see askaboutireland
Pinkerton Robert Ballaghmore Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Robert Claughey Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Samuel Coldagh Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Robert Dunaverney Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Samuel Fort Town Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Robert Greenshields Lower Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Samuel Greenshields Lower Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton James Moneygobbin Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Adam Seacon Lower Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Andrew Seacon More Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton James Seacon More Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Saml., Jr. Seacon More Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton Samuel Seacon More Ballymoney Antrim
Pinkerton James Tullaghgore Ballymoney Antrim
All of these come with map refs , you can see the boundary of the homestead and usually a blg or blgs inc a barn etc If you then look up the website or go to google you can normally see the area in sateliite and moving to max magnification if you can click on a road nearby you can find yoursekf in Street scene and then master the camera so you can go up the road looking for amonor road to the homestead and sometimes see part of the original building
Valuation continuation books exist to follow up each online at PRONI and you can then trace the family name changes up to 1922 etc
That can be backed up by the 1901 and 1911 census
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1911 17 in Ballynacree Skein (Seacon, Antrim)
Pinkerton William 64 Male Head of Family Irish Church Co Antrim Farmer Read and write - Single - - - -
Pinkerton John 70 Male Brother Irish Church Co Antrim Farmers Brother Read and write - Single - - - -
Pinkerton Jane 68 Female Sister Irish Church Co Antrim - Read and write - Single - - - -
Pinkerton Ellen 66 Female Sister Irish Church Co Antrim - Read and write - Single - - - -
someone could build the history of the Pinkertons in ireland
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someone could build the history of the Pinkertons in ireland
Pedigree of Pinkerton of Belfast with descent from Hull of Carranbaun, Co. Down, 1751 -- 1928.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms. 182, pp. 163-4
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Pedigree of Hull of Carranbaun, Blaris, Co. Down, of Hillsborough and Lisburn and Donaghadee with Pinkerton descendants, c. 1650 -- 1878.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms. 182, pp. 162-5
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About one hundred deeds relating to the Pinkerton/Russell estate, 19th c.
Belfast: Belfast Public Record Office, D. 2179 add.
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thank you Hallmark for the encouragement but sadly not for me, over to the Pinkertons
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Has anyone heard of a Frederick Pinkerton who married Martha Wilson December 31st, 1898 in Belfast? Fathers William Pinkerton and James Wilson.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Ardnvoher_Street/210083/
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thank you hallmark
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My thanks to Kelly Pinkerton, dinny, LindeL, Kiltaglassen, and hallmark for your comments and information on the mickle O' Pinkertons from Ballymoney.
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@ Jean_E
I am related to a Pinkerton.. My 3rd gt. uncle Thomas Mossop born March 19, 1833 in York, Ontario, Canada married Jane Pinkerton(1837-1871) in 1863. They had 5 children, Sarah Catherine(1864-1954), Samuel(1865-1901), William James(1867-1947), Frances Mary(1868-1918), Robert Bruce(1870-1871). Jane is the daughter of Samuel Pinkerton, born 1809 in Ballymoney, county Antrim.. I dont know when he migrated to Canada but married Catherine(Kitty)Walker(about 1809 county Tyrone) on Jan. 29,1835 in Simcoe county,Ontario, Canada.. They had 3 children including Jane that I have found.. Jane died in Simcoe county,Ontario, Canada and probably Samuel(about 1899) as well but I do not have verification of that. It also appears that his parents also migrated to Canada, James and Mary Jane(Janet)Drummond Pinkerton.
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Hello, andid -
It seems County Antrim and the Ballymoney area was full of Pinkertons and still is. :) I have no idea if your Ballymoney Pinkertons are kin to mine.
As far as I know, my Ballymoney Pinkertons immigrated to upstate New York in the USA, with some of them going on to Central Wisconsin. Three of my Pinkertons (2 brothers and 1 first cousin), all from County Antrim, married 3 McAllister sisters, who were all from Belfast, Co. Antrim. Robert Pinkerton (b. 1823, son of Robert, b.1770 and Jane Lockridge Pinkerton) was 1st cousin to brothers Samuel David Pinkerton (b.1832), my direct ancestor, and John Pinkerton (b.1835). Robert (b. 1823) married Rachel McAllister. Samuel David and John married younger sisters of Rachel McAllister, Jane and Sarah Anne, respectively. They were all married in Washington Co., New York, USA.
All the best to you in your research.
Jean
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@ Jane_E,
Have you done a DNA test? I have one through Ancestry.com and uploaded it to MyHeritage.. It would be interesting to know if there are family ties between your Pinkertons and mine.
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Hello, andid -
My brother used the Ancestry.com DNA test a few years ago. If you, too, used Ancestry.com DNA, then, if there is a genetic kinship with your Pinkertons and mine, I think it would come up as a match by Ancestry.com DNA. My and my brother's surname is: DeLauche.
Through my brother's Ancestry.com DNA evaluation, he and I connected with direct descendants of my father, who we had not known about. It turns out our dad was a "rascal and a rouge" having abandoned his 1st wife and their 2 young children and then changing his identity while still in Canada. Until a few years ago, my brother and I did not know of our father's original name and personal history. It is much like the stories uncovered on the TV programs "Who Do You Think You Are" and "Finding Your Roots." :)
My Pinkertons are in a family line of my mother, by the way.
If a "DeLauche" shows up as a genetic match to you through the Ancestry.com DNA info, let me know. My Ancestry.com ID is: jdelauche.
All the best to you -
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Well I found you on Ancestry.com and we are not a DNA match.. Its always a bit disappointing when you make connections with someone and you find out you are not related but it also clarifies and sometimes verifies things.. Guess there were a lot of Pinkertons in Ballymoney.
I know what you mean about family drama.. I have come across a 2nd gt. uncle that fathered a daughter and refused to marry the mother.. I was able to make contact with direct descendants of the daughter and they are grateful that they can fill in some blanks. Wonderful people.. Had another one just find out her dad is not her dad.. The DNA sure can have shocking and unexpected results.
I wish you the very best of luck in connecting your ancestral dots and its been a treat to speak with you.. Thank you for taking your time to share your info......Take care.... andid
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Hello, again, andid -
Are you familiar with the one-name study of those with the Pinkerton surname, compiled by Geoff Pinkerton: The Pinkerton Resource Page?
It has taken me a few days to locate it. This is the link:
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~pinkerton/genealogy/index.html
Be sure to follow through on the links in the left sidebar of the main page.
The information Geoff Pinkerton has compiled may prove helpful to you and others.
I enjoyed your tales of family drama. And some people think their ancestors were boring. :)
Best wishes -
Jean
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Thank you for the information Jean.. I actually found 3 persons on the site that have connections with the Pinkertons that I have connections with.. Best wishes to you as well.... andid
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Hello, andid -
Wonderful! I am glad that the information Geoff Pinkerton has compiled helped you.
Good wishes with your research -
Jean
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Hello Andid, I followed up your mention of your DNA on My Heritage, and it seems we may share some DNA; at least, I don't know about your test, but I share a small amount with a Winifred Wilson, whose public tree includes Frederick Pinkerton and Martha Wilson. I have a first cousin twice removed Frederick George Linn Pinkerton, b. 1868 in Banbridge, co. Down (my Pinkertons are otherwise almost entirely from Ballymoney area). If this isn't your Frederick, The relationship could also of course be through the Wilsons?
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Hi LindeL, I dont have a clue how I am related to Winifred Wilson... I am a 3rd to 5th cousin to her.. I looked at it for a bit and havent figured anything out yet.. I do not have a subscription with MyHeritage so I dont have a very complete tree on there.. I have a much more completed tree on Ancestry with a subscription.. I do most of my research through shared matches and just hope that I will figure one shared match out and that will get me on the right path for many others. I looked at numerous shared matches with Winifred and have not figured them out yet.. I was also hoping that one of them was currently checking in with the site but none that I looked at had.. I had figured out that my Pinkerton connection was through a Samuel Pinkerton from Ballymoney.. I have it listed in one of the posts above.. My family migrated to the states from Canada.. We lost contact with all relatives there and in Ireland.. So Winifred's Martha Wilson could be the connection too. My gt. grandmother was a Martha Anderson, she married my gt. grandfather Robert Wilson from Ballymoney..I have not been able to find very much info on my Wilson family so her Martha could have been the daughter of a gt. uncle of mine.. But its all guesses at this time... thanks for contacting me and if you have any additional clues, I would love to hear what you may like to share... Andid
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Linde L
PINKERTON
Hi Linde
Pinkerton. My father’s sister (now deceased) told me more than once of holidaying as a child with Pinkerton relatives (from Ireland) in Dunedin New Zealand. I am wondering if these Pinkertons may first have been resident in Australia before going to NZ. Have no Christian names to attach. According to directory there are Pinkertons in Dunedin area today.
My father & aunt’s parents – Dickey & Connolly. Both families originating from the North of Ire.
Regards – Dinny.
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Hello Dinny
I am baffled by your query! At first glance I thought your query must relate to my own exact family in north Antrim. My grandfather Alexander Connolly married Mary Pinkerton. But they lived and died in county Antrim, and I don't know of any of their relatives, Connolly or Pinkerton, who emigrated to New Zealand at any time. However! I have a Pinkerton family photograph album of very old photos. None were identified, though my father and my aunt guessed at a few. One unidentified photo is of a prosperous couple. The photograph was from a Dunedin studio. I can send you a photo of it if you PM me with an email address. I don't know who they are but as I say, I don't think we have space in the near family for NZ relatives.
There are of course Pinkertons and Conollys in the wider area round Ballymoney, (in Kilraughts and Finvoy and so forth) to whom I'm not so closely related (though maybe DNA will prove they are all connected), and it is entirely possible that there are relatives of those families in NZ. But I wonder why the Dunedin photo??
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My great great uncle Alfred Pinkerton did emigrate to Australia, to Wangaratta, but as far as I know his descendants stayed in Australia.
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My grandmother Matilda was born in Ballymoney her mother was Jane Foster and her father was a Pinkerton. The Pinkerton are well-established family in B'Money and have been there most likely since the early18th century. There is a primary school named after William Pinkerton,A family of solicitors and a former member of Parliament,John Pinkerton (1845 – 4 November 1908) was an Irish Protestant nationalist politician and Member of Parliament (MP) in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. As a member of the Irish Parliamentary Party he represented Galway Borough from 1886 to 1900.
Born in Ballymoney, Co Antrim, the son of John Pinkerton of Seacon More. He was educated privately. He rose to local prominence as a member of the Ballymoney Debating and Agricultural Societies. He was a tenant farmer, a JP of Co Antrim, and served as a member of the Coleraine Board of Guardians. The last time I was in Ballymoney the old Pinkerton House quite substantial was doing fine. I know one branch of the family came to the United States.
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Has anyone heard of a Frederick Pinkerton who married Martha Wilson December 31st, 1898 in Belfast? Fathers William Pinkerton and James Wilson.
1901 census
House 57 in Bendigo (Ormeau, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Bendigo/1209002/
Mary Munce Pinkerton born 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02044/1782615.pdf
Frederick Pinkerton born 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01988/1765418.pdf
KG
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Matilda Pinkerton born c1810 died 1892 Tullaghgore. I’m told married 1836 at 1st Ballymoney Presbyterian Church to Samuel Gilmore & had a son George in 1837. Samuel Gilmore in Ballymoney Workhouse in 1901 died there in 1903.
Have the deaths of Matilda & Samuel as well as 1901 census entry but would love to know if marriage record shows any more details or if there were other children besides George (have been unable to trace him).