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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: ncmtgal on Thursday 18 November 10 13:16 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
My husband's gr.gr. grandparents were David Clark (b. 1811 Urr) and Isabella Kerr (b. 1804 Annan, Dumfrieshire, d. May 28, 1853 Lochfoot). Known children include Margaret Hyslop Clark b. 1837; Robert 1841, Andrew b. abt. 1842 and Thomas.
They lived in Lochfoot during the mid to late 1800's where David was a stockingmaker according to census records. Robert, my husband's gr. grandfather, eventually left Scotland and worked as a traveling draper in England moving frequently from one community to another.
I wonder if anyone recognizes the David Clark family and connects to it. Also, since Isabella Kerr Clark was probably buried in the Lochfoot cemetery, can someone locate her tombstone there? It is possible that other family members are buried with her.
We live in the US and are not familiar with local cemeteries. Would appreciate any help very much. Thank you in advance. Anne
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Hi,
The Pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions for Lockrutton (Lockfoot is the nearby village ) has the
following headstone inscription.......
No 46
David CLARK 20.7.1886,76, w Isabella KERR d Lochfoot 28.5.
1853 49, gda Jemima 2.2. 1885 14. Isabella CLARK d Carslwith
27. 1 1895 35, h David Whan. Agnes Jane CLARK d Lockfoot
26. 11 1898 21. Margt CLARK " his da" d Lockfoot 24.10.1915 76.
The inscriptions are recorded as laid out above & were not recorded verbatim.
The full details would be along the lines of.......
David Clark died 20 July 1886 age 76 years.
His wife Isabella Kerr died at Lockfoot 28 May 1853 age 49 years,
Their Grand-daughter Jemima died 2 February 1885 aged 14 years,
Their daughter Agnes Jane Clark died Lockfoot 26 November 1898 age 21 years,
Margaret Clark " his daughter " died Lockfoot 24 October 1915 age 76 years.
Daughter Isabella Clark died Carslwith 27 January 1895 age 35 years (her husband David Whan)
No sign of any of their sons.If no one can get you a photograph of the headstone before,I will be returning to the area in the spring of next year and will do so then.Rgds Matt
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Hello Matt,
Thank you so much for this wonderful information! It is impossible for me to obtain it without assistance in your area. If you or someone else could obtain photos of their headstones in the future, we would be delighted.
Sincerely, Anne in North Carolina
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Hello again, Matt,
I have tried to locate Carslwith on the internet using Google but am not able to find it. Could you tell me where this town is located?
Also, I wonder if there are some errors in the pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions for Agnes Jane and Isabella Clark. They could not have been daughters of David and Isabella Clark as they were born after 1853 when Isabella Kerr Clark died. According to my calculations, Agnes Jane was born ca. 1877 and Isabella was born ca. 1860. In the 1861 census, Margaret Clark, the daughter of David and Isabella Kerr Clark, was living with Isabella age 1 yr.
In the 1881 census for Lochfoot, Jemima age 9 yrs. and Agnes Jane age 4 yrs. are listed as grand daughters of David Clark. David age 68 yrs. is head of the household and Margaret, age 44 yrs. is with her children.
So, I believe that Isabella, Jemima and Agnes Jane are all daughters of Margaret Clark. Is it common to find errors in the Pre 1855 Monument Inscriptions? Are they transcribed in a compiled book?
Thanks again for your help! Anne
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Hi,
Carslwith is a typo error on my part, is should read Carsluith.I believe that Carsluith is a small collection of properties situated south of Creetown located on the A75.
I should have also entered Grand in respect of the entry for Agnes Jane Clark. So I would go along with you that the children are those of Margaret.
Had a few credits left for Scotlands People & just had a look. Jemima was the illegitimate daughter of Margaret Clark & was born at Lockfoot on 17 May 1871.
Q...Is it common to find errors in the Pre 1855 Monument Inscriptions? Are they transcribed in a compiled book?
A...Yes there are a few errors in the MI's, but todays errors are due to me not paying attention. The MI's for Kirkcudbrightshire are in a collection of 7 booklets. I do not think that they are available on line.
Rgds Matt
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Thank you very kindly, Matt, for the clarifications. You have been an immense help to us. Best wishes, Anne
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Hi Anne.
I now have a photo of the headstone.If you send me a PM with your e-mail I will send you a copy.
I was unable to find a stone relating to Robert or Margaret.
Rgds for now.
Matt
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Hi Matt,
Thank you VERY much for obtaining a photo of the headstone for me. That is wonderful! I am not sure what you mean by PM but my email address is (*)
It is so kind of you to assist a fellow researcher in this manner! It is very appreciated.
Best wishes, Anne
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Hi Anne.
A PM is a Personal Message,its used to pass e-mail & other private info direct to another user.
To the left side of the message under your user name there are 2 icons.The left one looks like a face
the right hand one looks like a scroll. Click on the scroll & a new window will open.You can send your details
direct to me.. I hope..
Rgds Matt.
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Hi Anne,
Got your email, pictures are on their way.
Matt
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I believe that you are trying to trace my family. Andrew Charles Clark was my great grandfather and he moved to Northern England where he married Emily Hayes and had a large family. He was a distinguished local character and we have his obituary and photographs of them.If you would like some more information on Andrew let us know!
Best wishes, Sue
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Hi Sue,
Would be very interested to learn about Andrew Charles Clark. Was he the son of David Clark and Isabella Kerr of Lochrutton? If so, he would be the brother of my husband's gr. grandfather, Robert Clark. Thank you for your help and interest.
Anne
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Hi Anne yes he was he is my great grandfather . Hence your husband and me have the same great great grandfather and mother .I will gather info photos extra that i have and send you everything to the email address you sent me
regards Susan
ps Is your surname Clark ,mine was before i married :)
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Hi Susan,
Very delighted that your family of Clarks is related to ours! I tried to locate Andrew in records but could not find him. No wonder- he relocated to northern England! It has been quite difficult for me to trace my husband's family, not only because of the common surname, but also because of misinformation that was passed along. Through persistence and the wonderful assistance of others on this board, I have been able to overcome that "brick wall"...and am so thrilled to hear from you!
My husband's grandfather (Arthur Robert Clark) emigrated from England to Kingston, Ontario, Canada in 1906. We have photos of him and his family. It will be interesting to see if there are similarities in appearance to those of your branch of the Clarks! We do have information which we can share with you.
Hope to hear from you ( our new relative) in the future. Do you live in England?
Anne Clark. ( my maiden name was not Clark)
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Hi Anne sorry for not answering you sooner but i have just seen this message while showing my mum the previous ones . We are both very interested in what you know . Mum has been doing her own family history for about 20years now . I have been rather busy these last few days so have not yet gathered things together to send you but will send a photo to start with of Andrew and his wife Emily asap in a email.
Bye for now Susan
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Hi Susan,
Thank you for your reply to my message, also for the photo. Please stay in touch via my email address. Anne
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David Clark is my great, great, great grandfather. I live in New Zealand but most of my relatives on this side are still in Scotland. I have cousins and nieces still in Dumfries. I posted on another of your posts this morning. Regards Carol
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Hi. Isabella Kerr Clark is my g.g.grandmother. I am related by her first child James Ker Patterson, its such a relief to find out what became of her. We lost track after the 1851 census. David Clark didn't show up till he re-appears in the 1871 census. I know Andrew Charles died in England in 1925, as for Robert and Thomas I hadn't got that far yet, So a big thank you all who replied and cleared up the mystery of Isabella. Now I just have to find her parents and so on. Once again thanks
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Hi, Just to add I have a copy of Andrews obituary Cheers
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Hi Isabella is my g,g,grandmother too . My great grandfather was her son Andrew Clark,father of my granddad James and grandfather to my Dad plus 8 others ha ha. I'm confused though because I thought Isabella and David clark only had 4 children Margaret ,Andrew,Robert and Thomas . So who is James ker Patterson ?
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Hi, James Kerr Paterson was Isabella's first child by Walter Paterson, presumed dead in the cholera epidemic of 1832, James was born in 1832 in Amman before she married David Clark in 1835