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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: pityackafromblyth on Thursday 25 November 10 12:41 GMT (UK)
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Does this surname belong originally to the Cumbria area ? I am looking for a Richard Fell, born possibly between 1895(at the earliest) and 1900. Richard Fell served in the Army during WWI, and at some stage settled in Newcastle-on-Tyne, where he married a Helen KNOX, who was born and bred in Newcastle. He died in 1930 in London, and his widow and 3 year old son remained in Newcastle.
It is thought that Richard was from Cumberland. One I found several months back was a Richard Fell, born 1895, in the Brampton District. He was aged 16 in the 1911 census. I am searching for his 83 year old son, and unfortunately these are the bare facts I have at this time.
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Does this surname belong originally to the Cumbria area ?
I don't know about "originally" but FreeBMD shows several FELLs born in Cumberland every year from 1838 onwards.
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Do you have Richard's death reg??
I cannot find one in London 1930??
There is this FreeBMD Death reg
Richard Fell
age 33
Jun qtr 1928
Pancras
1b 30
the marriage reg is
Richard fell
Ellen Knox
Dec qtr 1925
Newcastle T
10b 39
this cert should give his name occupation and father's name and occupation
Suz
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If the death reg 1928 Pancras is correct -then that would give a birth year of approx 1885
There is a birth reg for Richard fell Dec qtr 1895 Wigton Cumbria Cumberland -but it seems this one died Dec qtr 1895 Wigton
there is on 1901 census Richard Fell b Carlisle age 6 - living with Grandparents and Jane , his widowed mother.
There is a birth reg 1894 Carlisle
Suz
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there is on 1901 census Richard Fell b Carlisle age 6 - living with Grandparents and Jane , his widowed mother.
I saw that one - Jane's husband (James, 29) died just before 1891 census but Richard happened somehow ;)
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suzard,
Thanks for that post re Fell. You have come up with the apparently correct details. One stumbling block was that I searched under Helen, and the correct name was Ellen. Ellen Knox's father originated from Edinburgh, where he was an upholsterer. I have spoken to Mr. Fell(who is now 83 yrs) and I cannot thank you enough on his behalf. As regards the post after yours, perhaps I had better start some more digging before I disclose any further facts re Jane's husband dying prior to the arrival of Richard.
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I have got a bit further with this having followed up the information given in the posts to my original query.
From the 1881 Census for Cockermouth, an address relevant to my search was : 165 Thirkgate,BobbinMill. Does anyone know if Thirkgate still exists ? James D. Fell listed there was shown as a Bobbin Turner, b. at Cartmel, Lancs(?) Surely Cartmel has always been within the county of Cumberland.
The 1901 Census relates to 25, Bruce Road, Upperby, in Eskdale or North Cumberland. Does that address still exist ?
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Cartmel was in Lancs until the formation of Cumbria in 1974 - it was never in Cumberland http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Cartmel/
Thirkgate = Kirkgate? http://tinyurl.com/3yp3a72
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Thanks for that Geoff-E, another little piece of the jigsaw.
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I don't know if this thread is still valid.
Richard would have been my 2nd great uncle. His sister Mary Jane being my 2nd great grandmother. In the family bible I now have it does say he was born May 22, 1891 and died 1928 Oct 11 (my mother did cross out Oct and change it to August, but I don't know why). His father James is noted as passing Jan.3, 1891.
I too would like to know the mystery around the dates.
I do also have photos of Richard as a very young boy and in the army, as well as his son Ronald with his mother Ellen and as a young man.
If anyone is interested in sharing information on the family I would be very grateful!
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In the family bible I now have it does say he was born May 22, 1891 and died 1928 Oct 11 (my mother did cross out Oct and change it to August, but I don't know why). His father James is noted as passing Jan.3, 1891.
Hi and welcome :)
The dates in the bible add to the confusion. :-\
As I understand it, James FELL had married Jane TEMPLETON in 1887.
As you say, James died in Q1 1891.
The Richard FELL aged 6, born Carlisle, in the 1901 census had a mother called Jane. If we look at the GRO index, the one born in Carlisle in 1894, his mother's maiden name was TEMPLETON. A little voice in my head is telling me that James wasn't the father of that child. ;)
This suggests to me that dates written into bibles are not always reliable.
Likewise, if the death in 1928 is the relevant one, then it was registered in the second quarter of that year, thus it was before both of the dates that were written into the bible. :-\