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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kincardineshire => Topic started by: JEANP on Saturday 01 October 05 16:13 BST (UK)
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Hello,
If you need a grave look up in Benholm Kirkyard then I'm your woman! I have the pre1855 gravestone index and I am currently recording all the graves. I also have the Communion Roll Book for Benholm 1884-1895 and Farm Horse Tax records and other snippets such as Kirk Session Records that I've come across,if anyone needs a look-up.
Old Parish Records are now available in the Kirk for visitors to do look-ups, this is thanks to rootschat member Wally Fullerton. The archives are open every day between 9 & 5.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
I see you list DAVIDSONs as one of your families; are these also in Johnshaven?
I am trying to trace the family of a Jessie Scott DAVIDSON born about 1806-8 in Johnshaven and would be interested to know whether you have any information about the family of a David DAVIDSON and Catharine SCOTT in Benholm parish. They had a large family including a daughter Janet baptised in 1806. I am attempting to discover whether this might be 'my' Jessie, and to eliminate a wild goose chase of my own am keen to establish whether a Janet DAVIDSON of the appropriate age was buried at Benholm between 1806 and 1834. Do you have any details which might help?
Any polite suggestions welcome! Many thanks.
Roz
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Hi Roz,
My Davidsons are not from the Benholm area.
Ths Scott family were land owners in the area and benefactors to the church.
Quite a lot of the gravestones in Benholm kirkyard are listed in the pre 1855 gravestone index, if you can get someone to do a look-up for you. But, nevertheless I will check the stones for myself and get back to you if I find anything.
Jean
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Many thanks for that, Jean.
The help is much appreciated.
Best wishes,
Roz
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Hello Jean,
I'm a new member, just joined today. after following a link for Johnshaven Cemetery. so i was surprised to find this.
I wonder if you are still offering to look in these cemeteries? - I'm in Australia. I'd really appreciate to get whatever details possible of my ancestors buried there; =
My 3ggrandmother , AGNES (ANN) FARQUHAR McHARDY(ie) is buried there.,she died 10th September, 1858.
I think her husband; WILLIAM would be buried there too, but I don't have his date.
Agnes parents, ALEXANDER and ELIZABETH FARQUHAR(son) should be there too; they lived at Inverkeilor.
I'm afraid I don't have any dates for them. Most likely between 1820 and 1840 as a guide? when they'd be between 60 and 80 years of age... Thank you once again for even considering this. Gloria.
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Hello Gloria,
Which cemetery are your ancestors buried in ? Please let me know and I will take a look for you. If there is a marker I should be able to get a photo for you and of course I will take a note of any inscription.
Bye for now.
Jean :)
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Hi Jean,
I have a lot of ancestors buried in Benholm mainly McFarlanes and Youngs but I suspect they could not afford gravestones, being mainly fishermen or weavers.
What caught my eye was your interest in Ogilvie. On a branch of my Murray line I have a Christiana Ogilvie. She was married to Thomas Dakers in 1817 in Brechin, but I'm not sure of her birth details. She was the mother of Ann Anderson Dakers my gx3 grandmother.
Cheers
Jim Murray
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Happy New Year Jim,
My Ogilvie/y ancestors hail from the Kirriemuir area. I don't have a Christiana in my tree. But, from her marriage date I suspect she was born in the 1790's, for me births of this era have been hard to find. The Ogilvie surname in Kirriemuir is very popular and unless you can find definite links then it is very hard to prove parentage. By the 1841 census, parents are deceased and brothers and sisters have moved on, so connections are proving very difficult.
Good luck with your search
Jean
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Hello Jean,
Happy New Year to you too!
Interesting to hear where the Ogilvies were congregated.
Yes I know exactly what you mean about ensuring parentage as you move back into the 1700's. I expect you know how fruitful death certs from 1855 are and I am finding some of the parish records for births and marriages sometimes include some info on the man's residence and occasionally something about a woman's father.
Do you know the resources offered by the Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS - the largest in the country?
Cheers
Jim Murray
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Hello Jean,
And a Happy new year.We've been distracted by the NSW high heat and fires near us.
I've seen a copy of a death entry sent by a cousin,= My Agnes Farquar McHardie was buried in Johnshaven cemetery.
As the cert copy said "single" I'm not certain if her huband
William McHardie was buried in same cemetery? (married in Brechin)
Her parents Alexr Farquhar and wife Elizabeth lived in Inverkeilor. (where Agnes was born) .I'd be keen to find them too, as I've been looking for Alexr's details for years. (parents, birthplace etc, I have their (A.& E.'s) marriage entry, 22 July 1786;- in Inverkeilor, unfortunately it doesnt give anything like that))
They would be likely to be buried in the Inverkeilor cemetery-1820-1840?
:) many thanks, Gloria in Australia.
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No luck Gloria I'm afraid,
To be honest I didn't expect to find anything in Johnshaven as the cemetery there is relatively new, the earliest burials seem to be around 1900.
I checked Benholm for you, but no luck there either, I didn't see any markers for McHardie at all. Quite a lot of the markers are worn and damaged, so it is possible that her marker could be one of these. My hunch though is that she will be buried in Inverkeilor. We pass that way sometimes and will try to remember to take a look for you.
Sorry
Jean
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Jim,
I was in the kirkyard today and remember seeing marker/s for Young, Bessie seems to ring a bell. If you let me have details I can check for you.
Jean
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Thanks for the kind offer Jean.
The Youngs in my direct line are:
Mary Ann McFarlane Nee Young d. 1952
Thomas Jamieson Young d. 1903
Archibald Young d. 1861
Archibald Young d. after 1841
Yours
Jim Murray
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Jim.
I can't see any Young gravestones in Benholm.
There are quite a few in Johnshaven but none that match yours. I have attached a photo of a gravestone with a McFarlane/Young inscription, wondered if it could be connected? There was another side by side, which I have attached on a seperate message.
Jean.
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Jim,
Gravestone 2
Jean
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Yes, Jean, John McFarlane would be my great-uncle.
Great photos by the way!
The Youngs and McFarlanes come together in my grandmother who, coincidentally, shares the same name as her neice on your second gravestone - Roberta G McFarlane.
The Mcfarlanes in my direct line are:
James 1864-1953
James 1832-1911
James 1800-1871
Thank you.
Jim
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Sorry Jim,
checked for McFarlanes at the same time, didn't see any others.
Jean.
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J.
Jean, don't worry.
Thanks for looking.
Jim
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Hi Jeanp, I am a new member and would like to know if you have found any Joseph Freemans in your travels 2 in Marykirk, 1901 age 75, one 1879, age36 at time of death and one 1885 age 65 Laurencekirk burial. The one 1879 was born in Benholm. So could be buried there.
Cheers Joxer42
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Sorry, but I'm a bit confused!!
For your ancestor born Benholm, please provide b.o.d. and d.o.d.
Thanks Jean
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Hi Jeanp,
Sorry For the Confusion, my Joseph Freeman was born Benholm 19-11-1844 and died 22-11-1879 age 36. Hope this will help.
Cheers Joxer42
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Hello again,
Thanks for the clarification.
Where was his death registered? As you can appreciate I don't want to spend a rainy sunday afternoon in the cemetery, if there's no hope of finding anything.
Jean.
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Hi, Jeanp
joseph Freemans death was registered in Marykirk 24 -11-1879. I had thought that you had a list of names, I certainly was not expecting you to be going round the graveyard in the winter time, or any other time for that matter. Thanks again for your help.
Cheers Joxer42
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Hello,
Sorry for the confusion! No, I don't have a list and I really don't mind searching, but there's a bit more incentive if I think I'm definitely going to find something.
I will take a look for you and get back to you if I find anything.
Jean :)
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Hi JEANP,
Have just started looking up my wife's ancestors in Kincardineshire and at the moment have 2 deaths in Johnshaven, though whether they were buried there or at Benholm I don't know.
John Forsyth 10/3/1866 age 68, death registered at Benholm and Mary Forsyth (nee Bain) 28/12/1888 age 88, death registered at Johnshaven.
There are 2 other children that may show up, last seen 1891 Johnshaven, Duncan 58 and Elizabeth 55.
Any details appreciated whenever convienient.
Beckey
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Hello,
I have a plan of the kirkyard dated 1892 and quite a lot of the graves are named, there are no Forsyth graves unfortunately.
However, I will check Johnshaven cemetery the next time I'm passing and get back to you.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thank you for responding, didn't know about the Forsyth family in that area, Catherine knew there was that name in the family but nothing more.
It was a surprise when we found that they came from Ross & Cromarty and ended up in Benholm/Bervie.
The one that we are tracing down married in Dundee and ended up in Berwickshire, quite a journey, the rest as far as I can make out stayed in Kincardinshire.
Regards,
Barry.
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Jim,
I have recently come across a plan of Benholm Kirkyard dated March 12th 1892.
There are 2 Young plots marked on it, D Young which seems to be in a enclosure and T Young which is marked above 3 or 4 plots. I will check this out for you again and see if I missed the stones.
Jean
p.s. there are also a couple of plots marked McFarline.
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Jim,
The D Young stone is quite a large obelisk! This the entry from the pre 1855 gravestone index.
Erected by David Young MD Surgeon Honourable East India Company's Service in memory of his father Jas Young for 52 years parish schoolmaster of Benholm d. 31.10.1855 83, mother Christian McGregor 4.11.1855 82.
Robert Young schoolmaster at Benholm from 1843-1873 d. 27.4.1900 85 wife Mary Ann Bartlett 24.3.1873 41.
We are on locking up duty at the kirk so I'll check the others out later today - weather permitting!
Jean
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Hi Jim,
Been down and had a look at the T Young & McFarline plots, but there's no stones unfortunately.
Sorry
Jean
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Joxer42,
Sorry there are no Freeman graves in Benholm
Jean
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My local library has a copy of the Benholm OPR which records the baptisms, marriages and deaths (or rather the hire of the mortcloth used to cover the coffin). The latter covers the period 1718-1843 but there is no indication of relationships, just the names of the deceased.
I can do a lookup for anyone who thinks that their forebear/s may be buried in the kirkyard. There might be gaps in the record.
Bervonian.
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Hi
I have an ancestor who was a coastguard in Johnshaven and died in 1857 and was buried in Benholm Churchyard, his name was William Perrott Thompson. My cousin from Aberdeen tried to find Thompson graves a couple of years and said she could only see one but there was one flat on the ground and she thought it had W.P. on it but couldnt read it, have you seen this stone on your travels
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I have just seen your posting about the Mitchell connection with your family, William Perrott married an Anne Mitchell in St Bees Cumbria in 1810, she was the daughter of Alexander Mitchell and Ann Annerdale.
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There are a couple of Thomson graves on the plan, Ill take a look and get back to you.
My Mitchell ancestor yes just the one (I've not found her parents) is my GGG grandmother Elspet Mitchell b Kirriemuir c1780 married Aexander Ogilvie b c1777 Kirriemuir.
Jean
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Many thanks Jean, I look forward to hearing your reply, fingers crossed one of them is his, I have a photo of a standing stone for Thompson but that one is not ours.
If you find any more about your Mitchells you could let me know.
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Hello,
I didn't have to check the stones out as it happened as both the thomson graves are pre 1855 and listed in the index.
Ths standing one that you have is probably Margaret Thomson d. 23.04 1902 aged 83, wife of Robert Gove.
The other is a seventeenth century flat stone.
The plan I have is dated 1892 and shows all the plots and if there are markers or not. If your ancestor was buried in Benholm then he didn't have a stone and unfortunately the plots without stones are not named.
Sorry to have been of no help.
Jean :'(
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Hi Jean
Many thanks for having a look for me, you have been a great help at least I now know it is not worth coming up to Scotland to see his grave as there is no stone to see.
I would still like to see Benholm and Johnshaven one day just to see where they lived.
Thank you again
Margery
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Margery,
I'm a bit surprised that being the coastguard that he didn't have a stone and wonder whether he could have been buried in the new cemetery in Johnshaven. I'm not sure when the first burials took place there, but there are some stones with dates earlier than 1892 when I presume burials stopped in Benholm.
How do you know he was buried in Benholm?
Jean ???
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Jean
I have just received a copy of his death certificate on which it says Burial Place, Undertaker or other person by whom certified;
Churchyard of Benholm As certified by James Donaldson - undertaker. He died on 10th March 1857 at 9.55.a.m. Back Street, Johnshaven aged 73 years 9 months.
Margery
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Hello again Marjery,
As I have been recording the graves on the plan, it has become apparent that the surnames on the plan refer to the person who bought the plot. More often than not this matches the surname of the deceased, but not always. So I'm wondering if the plot was bought by his wife, in Scotland it's common on grave stones to find women named by their maiden name or by his daughter (if he has one) using a married name?
I would have though that when his wife died that she would have been buried in the same grave. Did he have a wife? If so what was her maiden name?
Jean.
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Hi Jean
William Perrot Thompson was married to Ann Mitchell the daughter of Alexander Mitchell and Ann Innerdale or Ennerdale, he had one daughter living in Johnshaven when he died and she was called Mary Ann Clark, she also died in Back Street Johnshaven, but I dont know if it was the family home she inherited or not. I have not to date found the death for Ann Mitchell.
Margery
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On the ScotlandsPeople index I found the deaths of 2 persons called Ann Thomson or Mitchell (note the alternative spelling of Thompson). 1 in 1921 at St Cyrus and 1 at Banchory Devenick.
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On the ScotlandsPeople index I found the deaths of 2 persons called Ann Thomson or Mitchell (note the alternative spelling of Thompson). 1 in 1921 at St Cyrus and 1 at Banchory Devenick in 1928.
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I dont think either of these are her as they had several more children after this time, up to 1830, it is possible the spelling is Thomson as while they were living in Scotland that is how it was spelt but when they were in England the p was added. We are as family in posession of the family bible albeit that it is in Canada now, but I have seen it and copied out the text.
Many thanks for looking for me
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Jeanp
I am looking for Douglas in Benholm there are a series of William Douglas's who are shoemakers. William Douglas & May (Majory) Nor(r)ie, William Douglas & Catharine Blues, he was a white fisherman and his brother Alexander R Douglas, shoemaker. Our Douglas line then left Benholm late 1800s and are the line to Douglas Baker Auchenblae and Laurencekirk, to whom I am related
rgds
Drew Davidson
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Hello Drew,
Do you have the entries from the pre 1855 gravestone index?
Jean :)
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Jean,
thank you for theat I look forward to see if they have a gravestone in the churchyard.
rgds
Drew Davidson
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Drew, I presume you don't have the entries from the pre 1855 gravestone index, here are the one for the surnames you mention.
Erected by Alex Douglas 10.12.1912 85, w Jane Downie 22.2.1890 72, chn Margt 1853 5y, John 10.11.1866 12, Jane 1.5.1871 11
Erected by David Scott mert Johnshaven 16.4.1826 76 imo fa Jas Scott 3.1788 76, mo Margt Walker 4.1788 79. David (Scott) b 3.1750, Eliz Blews b 5.1749, they were md 7.1.1773 & had the following chn Alex b 10.1773 d 3.1779,Margt b 1.1775 d 12.1785, David b 9.1776 d 3.1808, Jas b 3.1780, Wm b 1.1782 d 9.178?, John b 1.784 d 10.17??, Jean b 10.1785 d 7.178?, Kath b 7.1787 d 2.179(4)?
(Rest of this transcription is under turf)
Erected by Wm Blews, R? ? Officer in Gurdon imo fa Thos Blews skipper Johnshaven 1784 92, mo Janet Falconer 1775 86, 1w Hellen Innes 1758 22, their da Mary d inf, deceased chn by 2w Isobel Dickie, Robt 1765 3y, Wm 1783 (17)?Y, Barbara 1775 3y & Barbara 1777 6m.
On East Side: 179?. Wm Blews 27.1.1805 75, 2w Isobel Dickie 17.5.1798 62, two of theirs das viz Cleaphen 17.6.179? 22 & Janet 30.1.1799 39, s David d Port Royal Jamaica 17.9.1797 33. by John Simpson imo w Isabella Blues 26.5.1850 71
Erected by John largie mert Johnshaven imo fa John Largie sometime skipper in Johnshaven d 17(3)6? 42y, mo Christian Largie 1760 53, bro Jas d infancy & of his own family whose names are on the other side of this stone.
On East Side: John Largie b 7.1734 d 26.7.1809, Anne Blews b 5.1773 d 8.12.1821, they md 21.9.1759, following chn: John b 15.9.1760, Eliz 22.3.1762 6.7.1789, Anne b 26.12.1763, Jas b 10.12.1765, David b 28.8.1767 d 16.6.1788, Isobel b 18.9.1769, Susan b 13.1.1772, s Geo b 20.4.1774 d 10.9.1791. Eliz Largie 11.3.1884 87
Erected by David & Ann Mearns Shipmasters in Montrose imo gmo Margt Blues d 7.1.1819 60, gfa David Mearns 27.4.1841 89, bro & sister both d inf. And. Mearns d at sea on or about 24.12.1845 34, their mo Jean Mearns 23.7.1850 65, David Mearns Shipmaster 20.11.1852 43.
Erected 1801 by John Norie mason Haughs of Nether Benholm d 10.11.1825 91 imo w Jean Ross 1.2.1798 57, s Jas 5.1789 12, two chn d inf, da Jean 1.1840 74y
Isaac Norrie d Bervie 30.1.1880 46, w Jane Robertson d Montrose 15.5.1901 61y
I hope that something is of use - there's such a lot of good info!
I have almost completed transcribing the post 1855 stones, but I have not indexed them yet, so you'll have to bear with me whilst I check what I've done so far to see if your names crop up. I'll also check the plan to see if your names are amongst the ones not done yet.
Jean
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Jean,
sorry I miss read your prevoius post, you are right, I did not have the pre 1855 index. but the info you have supplied is vey interesting indeed and will take me a few days to get where they may link into the research
thanks for that post
regards
Drew Davidson
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Drew, let me know if any of these are connected and I'll try and get you a photo.
Jean :)
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Hi JEANP,
Sorry to bother you again, but did you ever manage to find any Forsyth family in Johnshaven/Benholm?
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Hi JeanP,
The Forsyth's, John 1868 age 66, Mary 1887 age 87, son Duncan after 1891 about 60, daughter Elizabeth after 1891 about 56.
There are a number of others after 1881, unless they were buried elsewhere.
Stephen, Margaret nee Forsyth 1887 age 48, husband William after 1891.
Anything at all, when ever you can.
Barry
Hello again Barry,
I've found your PM with the family you're looking for, I'll recheck for you and get back to you asap.
Jean
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Barry, there are 2 Stephen plots marked on the kirk plan (no Forsyth though), but I've not transcribed them yet.
So at the week-end I'll go down and have a look if there's any stones.
Jean :)
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Hi JEANP,
Thank you, have been looking at deaths, Mary died 1887 & buried Johnshaven, John died 1866 Johnshaven, Margaret Stephen nee Forsyth 1887 Johnshaven, William Stephen died 1898 Johnshaven and Duncan died 1900 Fortesso Poor House, no sign of Elizabeth at all.
They may be of some use when you look, but the Forsyth's may be like the rest I've found, no headstone or gone.
Barry
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Sorry for the delay Barry,
Plot marked Wm Stephen has no stone.
The other:
Erected in loving remembrance of my husband David Stephen who died at Moathill Benholm 14th June 1899 aged 66 years also his wife Isabella Stephen who died at Burnhouse 17th Sept 1928 aged 89 years, her sisters Ellen Crichton died 15th dec 1927 aged 92 interred at Brookwood, Catterline died 17th feb 1916 aged 72 years interred at St Machar.
(I seem to have missed some of this inscription, I'll have to check it and amend)
That's all at Benholm so far.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for looking, didn't expect any early reply with the weather being so bad.
Barry
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I'm afraid I can't blame the weather, it's been beautiful where we are, more like spring, but I bet we'll pay for it later!!!
Jean ;D
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Hello, here's your info.
1888
ERECTED
BY
MARGRET TRAIL
IN MEMORY OF HER HUSBAND
GEORGE DAVIDSON MERCHANT
WHO DIED AT JOHNSHAVEN 12TH OCTOBER 1868
AGED 54 YEARS
ALSO OF MY DAUGHTER MARGRET
WHO DIED 21ST APRIL 1846
AGED 5 MONTHS
ALSO OF MY SON JOHN DAVIDSON
WHO DIED AT BRIXTON 6TH AUGUST 1876
AGED 32 YEARS
INTERRED IN NORWOOD CEMETERY LONDON
ALSO OF MARGARET TRAIL
WIFE OF THE ABOVE GEORGE DAVIDSON
WHO DIED 14TH MAY 1902 AGED 88 YEARS
ALSO THEIR DAUGHTER JANE DAVIDSON
WHO DIED 17TH DEC 1902 AGED 62 YEARS
I'll get you a photo, when the weather picks up.
Jean ;D
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Hi
I have just noticed the post about Benholm Kirkyard.
I have two relatives from Benholm that I am try to find.
One, George Findlay, (1889 - ?) farmer at Upper Birnie Farm. Married to Margaret Milne.
The other is his brother James Findlay (1883 - 1940) married to Mary Cameron Walker. Interestingly he also died at Burn House, Benholm. On his death certificate his occupation is given as Threshing Mill Owner.
Please let me know if you find any connection with your family.
Carol
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Hello Carol,
Burials seem to have stopped c 1892 at Benholm so your Findlay brothers won't be buried there. Their ancestors may be, if you give more information, I could take a look for you.
Thanks
Jean
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I am looking for family that lived and died in Benholm. Spent
some time at council offices in Stonehaven but did not get what I was looking for.
William BEATTIE Brawliemuir, Farmer, Died 1851/55 born 1773 abt.
his Wife Isobel Kennedy d 6 May 1857 born 1785 abt.
from death Record "Buried Churchyard of Benholm as certified by James Donaldson Undertaker"
Charles BEATTIE Brawliemuir, Farmer, b 1819 d 25 Feb 1871
his first wife Jean Ford B? D ?
remarried 29 May 1855 to Elizabeth SMITH Born Whistleberry, Kinneff Jun 1932 Died 13 Jan 1900 East Mather, St Cyrus
Would appreciate if you could confirm burial plots and IF there are any memorials.
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Hello,
There are 3 Beattie stones on the Kirkyard plan:
R Beattie - There is a stone but unfortunately it is damaged and no inscription remains.
A Low: is in the pre 1855 Grave Index:
1833. by John Beattie mert Johnshaven imo da Ann 5.12.1830 inf; by Cath Low imo h John Beattie 23.5.1850 53, s Wm 13.9.1855 20
J Beattie:is in the pre 1855 Grave Index:
Alex Low esq d Johnshaven 20.20.1836 73.
Wm Beattie 17.9.1855, Alex Beattie 11.5.1864, their mo Cath Low 3.11.1877. JLB Douglas bank accountant d Johnshaven 3.9.1892 28. Jessie Beattie 27.3.1904 67. Helen Beattie 17.2.1912 85. Eliza Jane Beattie 13.2.1913 85. Anne 20.5.1920 89
In the notes section for Benholm is the following:
Testaments: Benholm was in the St Andrews Commissariot and the following were noticed in that index - Jas Beattie late tent in Johnshaven, 1754; Patrick Beattie in Stain of Benholm, 1617.
Sorry, can't find any stone for yours, if any of the above are connected let me know and I'll get a pic for you.
Jean
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Hi There,
I wondered that if you were out and about if you could have a wee look for any Welsh's buried in Beholm. I would be very grateful. The Welsh's have lived in the area over the 19th century, so I cannot give you specific dates.
Only if you are out and about as I know how cold it is and there is no rush.
Many thanks,
Lynda
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Thank you very much for your efforts.
It's too bad that it so hard to track down the final resting places
even when confirmed on the death record such as with
Isobel Beattie m.s. Kennedy.
Yor efforts are appreciated.
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The Low stone and J Beattie are side by side and are obviously related, but the R Beattie stone is near the entrance to the Kirk, so I would say not related. It has become apparent that the names on the plan are the names of the purchaser of the plot, not the names of the deceased, so it is possible if you have an "R Beattie" that this could be yours.
What I thought was interesting is that the names mentioned in the notes in the pre 1855 gravestone index seem to be Farmers, "Stone of Benholm" being a farm just outside Johnshaven and yours being farmers too, Brawliemuir is a farm near to me.
Here are the Beattie entries in the Benholm Communion Roll Book 1884-1890
William & Mrs Beattie - Upper Birnie (previous addresses are East Mathers St Cyrus & Mains of Benholm) Farm Servant & Dom Servant.
David Beattie & his wife m.s. Eliz Walker - Balhagerty (previous address Moathill) - Farm Servant - They were admitted to the Kirk from Fordoun on 28.06.85 and left in February 1890.
Robert & Mrs Beattie - Woodside- Crofter- They were admitted to the Kirk 24 June 1888 from Marykirk.
Jean
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Here are the Beattie entries from the Benholm Communion Roll Book 1890-96
William & Mrs Beattie - Blinkbonnie-Farm Servant- They were admitted to the Kirk 09/12/94 from Dundee and left 25/10/96.
Robert Beattie- single- Johnshaven-Admitted to the Kirk 24/06/94
Alexander Beattie - single- Mains of Brotherton- Farm Servant- Admitted to the Kirk 25/06/93 and left 25/05/95
Robert & Mrs Beattie - Woodside - Crofter
Jean
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Thankyou again.
For sure the Robert Beattie and Wife (Isabella Watt)
at Woodside are my g grand parents
and a couple of their kids were born Marykirk at Balmaleidie
James Beattie 16 Nov 1884
Louisa Ann Roy Beattie 12 October 1886 m John Silver 1906
I don't see Balmaleidie or Balmaleedie on any map today
I wonder where it was. Same for Woodside croft.
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The farm of Balmaleedy doesn't appear on the present-day map but go to www.nls.uk/collections/maps/index.html and navigate as follows:
1. View map images
2. Ordnance Survey maps 1847-1930
3. Six-inch to the mile, 1st edition - 1843-1882
4. Choose 'By zoomable map of Scotland'
5. Enter Kincardineshire and Marykirk in the search boxes
6. If you pan down once and enlarge, you'll see Balmaleedy is (or rather
was) 3 or 4 miles N.E. of Marykirk
Do you know which parish Woodside is ?
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Hi again,
Woodside is about half a mile from me and is one of our nearest neighbours. The farm land was sold about 8 or 9 years ago , but the cottage still exists and is habited.
Jean
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Hi, that would make Woodside croft between which two farms?
again I have a high level of interest because of ny GG parents
living thier between 1884 and 1899 ish.
Also William Beattie and his wife Isobel Kennedy
farmed at Brawliemuir until his death bretween 1951 and 1955
it was then farmed in turn by his son charles Beattie who died 1871 at Brawliemuir born there 1819.
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Well, Woodside is between 4 farms , Forgie to the south, Haremuir to the North and Tullo of Benholm to the East and to the west is Nether Tulloch. Brawliemuir is the next farm south after Forgie. Brawliemuir has holiday cottages if you fancied a break, www.brawliemuircottages.co.uk.
Jean
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thank you so much . Know we know.
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Hi Lynda,
Pre 1855 Gravestone index has:
Alex Reid shipmaster lost at sea near the Isle of Bornholm 13.11.1872 aged 44 -- wife ---(w)elch died --------- their son George d Montrose 21.2.1900 45 (west side) s Douglas d saffi Morocco 11.1.1901 37, da Isabella Anderson d Montrose 13.11.1904 38, da Annie Largie d Johnshaven 20.4.1906 46, s David d Brentford Essex 17.2.1930 63, Susan Jane d Johnshaven 22.6.1934 78 (widow of Geo Reid)
Also in the notes:
Testaments: Benholm was in the St Andrews Commissariot and the following were noticed in that index - Wm Welsh at Burnhead of Benholm, 1733
and I have transcribed this:
IN MEMORY OF
ROBERT GREIG WELCH WHO DIED JUNE 30 1893
SON OF DAVID WELCH AND ANN HAY WELCH, JOHNSHAVEN
ALSO OF HIS SONS DAVID 1915 & JAMES DOUGLAS 1916
If any of these are connected let me know and I'll get you a photo.
Jean :)
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Hello Jean,
I am not sure about the Reids or the Welchs', as I have not seen it transcribed this way. I would be interested in the Willliam Welsh c1733 though as this is one of my lines of enquiry. The David and Douglas are also names that have run through the generations.
Yhank you for this information and I will check out the details that you have sent me.
Kind regards and many thanks,
Lynda
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No problem, any time
:) :)
Jean
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Hello JeanP,
Would you be so kind , if you have any spare time to perhaps look to see if there is a "James Durward" buried at Benholm Please ? his occupation was farm overseer.
Thankyou for any help :)
Snowolf
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Hi there, do you know what time period he was in Benholm/Johnshaven and What farm/s he worked at?
Jean
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Hi JeanP,
Thankyou for your quick reply . :)
The time would be between 1834 -1884,unfortunatly i do not have the nam es of any farms he worked on .
He of course maybe not buried there ,as i only know his son was born in Benholm ( so thought perhaps my james Durward was buried there ) .
Thanks ,
Snowolf
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Hello,
There are no entries for "Durward" on the Kirk Plan nor in the Communion Roll Book 1884-1895
Sorry
Jean
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Hello JeanP,
Thankyou for taking the time to look anyway!.
at least i can now cross that area off my list ....& continue on next one . :)
Take care ,
Snowolf
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Hi Snowolf,
Just a quick note to say that there are several Durwards buried in the cemetry at Bervie/gourdon. I noted this when I was on one of my trips there. Don't know if this helps any.... :D
regards,
Lynda
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Hi There
With reference to postings from "angusg" and "jeanp" some of my forebears are buried in the churchyard at Benholm.
There is a headstone to my GGG Grandfather Charles Beattie (died 1871) and his second wife Elizabeth Smith. My line come from his first marriage to Jean Ford. She gave birth her one child, Jonathan my GG Grandfather in 1850 a few years before her death in 1852 aged 32. The family lived as tennant farmers in "brawliemuir" farm not far from the church from around 1810 until some time after 1871.
I don't know if Jean Ford is buried in the churchyard, although there is a J Ford marked on the plan to the SE of the church near the wall.
It was good to find out from "angusg" that my GGGG Grandparents William Beattie and Isobel Kennedy are also buried there. Although I can't see where from the churchyard plan.
If anyone has any further information that would be great.
Regards
Bill
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Hi Angus
I'm new to rootchat. I posted a message last week on the "Benholm" pages about my forebears, William my GGGG Grandfather And Charles Beattie My GGG Grandfather. Charles is buried at Benholm Churchyard and there is a headstone. Please check my other post and if you have any additional details that would be great.
Regards
Bill
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I'm totally new to this forum and I've been browsing the messages in this thread. Johnshaven, Benholm and the whole coastal strip from St Cyrus to Bervie marks out the playground of my youth.
I'm currently researching the FREEMAN families of this area. I'm the son of Mary Freeman, youngest daughter of Walter FREEMAN & Isabella ADAM of Johnshaven who married 27:8:1898. With the help of a cousin I have traced my Freeman line back to John FREEMAN m. Isobel JEAMIE 1:4:1681.
I have a brickwall I would like to get over regarding Alexander FREEMAN b. 1691 baptised BERVIE 30:8:1691. Between 1713 and 1728 he fathered six children. Bervie OPR lists him as FISHERMAN in GOURDON. The Clerk registering the baptisms never once recorded the name of the mother.
Searching for a marriage in Scotlandspeople from Kinneff to St Cyrus shows only one marriage, Alexander m. Elspet CORMAK in Kinneff in 1725 which is too late for all but the last child born 1728.
Hoping for an MI in either Benholm or Bervie that far back is a vain hope I think. Some of you on this forum seem to have access to MIs for both locations. I was unaware that these had been published by anyone!
Any suggestions.
Thanks in in advance.
Sandy P.
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Hi, this is my first post here too. I am following the family of James GORDON b 29 June 1755 Benholm who married Jean MORRICE b 11 January 1754. They had six children and I am wondering if by chance there is a family grave at Benholm. John Strachan Gordon was their first child in 1781. Did you purchase your MI book from ANESFHS.
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Sorry for the delay in replying Sandy,
Unfortunately I don't have any record of any Freeman graves in Benholm.
Jean
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There's no Gordon graves but quite a few Morrices and variations if you have any more details on that side.
Jean
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Jean wrote:
<<Unfortunately I don't have any record of any Freeman graves in Benholm.>>
Thanks for the response Jean, my request was a long shot anyway. Those I'm looking for are most likely in BERVIE.
I recall on a visit a few years back that Bervie Library had an unpublished folio of MIs. Does anyone know if these have been published and offered for sale?
I suppose I should ask ANESFHS about that.
On a visit to Benholm Kirk I recall a map of the graveyard showing MIs and locations. That was also a few years back when there was the appeal by the Redundant Churches when I made a contribution in the name of my parents who were married there, I photographed the map in sections but following a careless computer error I lost it along with photos taken in the graveyards of both Benholm and Bervie.
Has anyone managed to publish the map -- I for one would purchase a copy.
Cheers,
Sandy
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No, as far as I am aware the map has not been published. It is this map that I am using along with my own transcriptions. One problem with the map is that the names shown on the map are those of the purchaser of the plot and not of the deceased.
Also the map does not show all the gravestones, as I have found a couple that do not appear on it. I have not managed to do much transcribing this past year as I have been ill, but weather permitting I will be back onto this project as soon as possible!!
Jean
p.s. The Bervie gravestones were transcribed by Bervonian I believe.
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Hi Jean, I'm trying to obtain some information on my ancestors from Johnshaven.
My 3rd great grandfather, James Douglas, died 5 Jul 1884 at Johnshaven. His wife, Mary Hay, died 11 Jul 1887, at Johnshaven. I have census data on the family from 1841 to 1881.
James's parents were John Douglas & Margaret Scott but I know nothing about them.
Mary's parents were David Hay & Margaret Davidson. David was born in Benholm parish about 1760. There is a Benholm parish mortcloth record for a David Hay dated 29 Jan 1826. I think that it could possibly be him. Margaret was born abt 1770 at St. Cyrus.
I would be very greatful for any monument inscription information for James Douglas and Mary Hay, and any information at all on either sets of parents.
Kind Regards
Stewart
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There's no Gordon graves but quite a few Morrices and variations if you have any more details on that side.
Jean
Yes, I know of the variations, quite a few. I've got 2 lines for which I dont have a common ancestor. John MORRICE married Margaret SMITH on 15 April 1750. I have 1 daughter for them, namely Jean MORRICE b 11 January 1754. She married James GORDON 4 November 1780.
I also have a Jean MORRICE b 18 October 1767 whose parents were James & Jane BALLOW.
Would be interested in anything you find. Thanks.
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Hi Stewart,
I've not come across a stone for James Douglas and Mary Hay yet, they could be buried in Johnshaven.
You may have this already, but here is the pre 1855 gravestone inscription for Margaret Davidson:
By David Hay imo w Ann Greig 25.9.1793 59, 2w Margt Davidson 23.3.1823 54, (her two eldest ss John & Davdison both d childhood, also his two youngest Isobell & Alexander both d inf.
David Hay would have died the following year if that mortcloth entry was for him, but there's no mention of him on the stone.
I also found this, I think it must be connected.
IN MEMORY OF
ROBERT GREIG WELCH WHO DIED JUNE 30 1893
SON OF DAVID WELCH AND ANN HAY WELCH, JOHNSHAVEN
ALSO OF HIS SONS DAVID 1915 & JAMES DOUGLAS 1916
Jean
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Hello Cilvrnum,
Can't see any connections on the Morrices, but found these in the pre 1855 gravestone index:
Jean Ballow 10.1.1795 69 leaving four sons & five das behind her, by h Jas Morice (in) 1796
&
John Ballow d Montrose 1.12.1839 78, by s David Keith d Dunwich Morton Bay 29.9.1850 (This stone is marked as Barlow on the map)
Jean
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Hi Jean, many many thanks for the information on Margaret Davidson - I hadn't come across it before. The children's names confirm that it is indeed my ancestral lineage. ;D
The name "Welch" or occasionally "Welsh" appears quite frequently as a middle name in this particular lineage. I'm in the process of trying to discover its derivation and I've made a couple of links recently. Ann Hay, the sister of "my Mary Hay", and daughter of David Hay & Margaret Davidson married David Welch 31 Jul 1820. Their eldest child was Robert Greig Welch b. 29 Sep 1840. I think that you've definitely found his MI, so many thanks again!
I wonder if I could possibly trouble you some more, this time on an associated lineage. My 3rd great grandfather was James Rae. I have a document that states he was a forrester at Denhead of Balhaggerty in Dec 1842. I think he died before the 1851 census. He was born abt 1791 in Benholm parish, possibly Garvock. I don't know anything about James's parents.
James Rae's second wife was Isobel Watson, b. abt 1799 at St Cyrus and died at Braehead, Johnshaven 2 Sep 1889. Her parents were John Watson & Mary Croll. John was born abt 1758 and Mary abt 1762 both in Benholm parish. I think John died before the 1841 census. Mary appears in the 1841 census living with James & Isobel at Denhead in the civil parish of Garvock, but not in the 1851 census.
Again, any information on the above would be greatfully received.
Many thanks once again
Stewart
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Sorry Stewart, I can't find anything for this lot. There is a stone marked on the plan for J Rae, but unfortunately it is a flat stone and turf has grown over it.
In the future I may get permission to uncover stones such as this one, but until I've recorded the ones standing and visible that'll be a job that can wait, as they're coming to no harm.
I'm inclined to thinking they could be buried in Garvock Kirk Yard?
Jean
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Hello,
If you need a grave look up in Benholm Kirkyard then I'm your woman! I have the pre1855 gravestone index and I am currently recording all the graves. I also have the Communion Roll Book for Benholm 1884-1895 if anyone needs a look-up.
Jean
Hello Jean,
My Milne forebears lived at Benholm & Johnshaven late 1600s till 1828.
I have George Milne's burial inscription (1771) from Benholm churchyard but believe there may be others. Can you help me?
Regards David Milne
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Jean, many thanks for looking.
Much appreciated
Stewart
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Hello Davmil,
I'll try! Could you provide some info please.
Thanks
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Hello Jean,
Thank you for your prompt reply to my query.
My 5 x great grandfather George Milne was born 1701 and was a servant at the Mill of Garvock until he took over the tenancy, which the family held until 1839 when his grandson John Milne died.
George died 6 Nov 1771 & was buried at Benholm, along with his third wife, Ann who died in Dec 1777 and one of his sons, Alexander who died in 1780.
George married 1. Isabel Young 25 Jul 1726 at Garvock- 10 children
married 2. Ann Ballow 29 Dec 1744 Garvock, one dtr Jean and 3. Ann Milne 9 Mar 1759 at Benholm- no issue.
I have the names of the 10 children, some of whom would also have been buried at Benholm, if you need them.
Regards
David Milne
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Hello David,
I've had a look at the pre 1855 gravestone index , but as I don't know their names I can't tell!! The inscription for George and his wife Ann, says that "Their ashes with those of a number of his relatives ly deposited here", so perhaps that encompasses some of his first wifes children.
I don't know why they would have been married in Benholm, did Ann come from Benhom? I've an incline that maybe his 1st wifes children stayed in Garvock and may have been buried there?
To be sure let me have their names and marriages/children etc.
Thanks Jean
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Hello Jean,
Thanks so much for helping.
George's children by his first wife Isabel Young are as follows
James bapt 1732
David " 1734
George " 1741
William " 1742
There were 4 other children- another George 1729 & a William 1739, who must have died young and then Alexander 1744 who was buried with his father 1780 at Benholm & John born 1743 who died at Johnshaven in 1818. He took of the lease of the Mill of Garvock as did his son Jon.
George's first wife Isabel died about 1744 when George remarried Ann Ballow.
My wife and I visited Benholm Church in September last year- a delightful church- but found most of the headstones so hard to read.
Kind regards
David
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David, there are no gravestones for the ones you mention, but there are 2 more Milne gravestones beside George Milne, so I think there is probably a family connection.
These are the transcriptions from the pre 1855 gravestone index.
1820. GM. AG. by Geo Milne at Mill of Kair imo w Ann Garvie 26.3.1820 40. Geo Milne fr Mill of Kair 19.7.1845 72, yt s Thos. d Crieff 10.10.1846 28 int there, yt da Ann d Montrose 27.11.1902 87.
by Jas Falconer, Hair-Muir of Benholm d 13.8.1883 imo da Annabella 14.1.1857 16, w Jean Milne 28.5.1871 63. ********
*****This stone is beside George Milne and the other is beside Jean Milne.
Jean
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Hello Jean,
You are a sweetie.
You are right about the family connection, and I know who the other Milnes are who you refer to.
You live in a lovely part of Scotland and I have a great empathy with my forebears from Kincardineshire.
My ggg grandfather, David Milne with his brother George, went from Johnshaven to London in 1783, as merchants and both became Lloyd's underwriters.
One of David's sons emigrated to Australia in 1818 for the free land then on offer and here we are after nearly 200 years.
Thank you once again.
Regards David
ps. Joann & Douglas Beattie of Johnshaven are related to me
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No problem David !
I suppose your weather's a bit better than ours just now, although it is quite warm to day, it rained almost all last week. But the scenery makes up for it!
Jean :)
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Wally, there are 2 adjacent stones that are probably related.
1841. John Law mert Johnshaven d 4.12.1839 76 " an affectionate Husband a dutiful parent & much respected ........." w Margt Fullerton 8.5.1853 74
and
Jas Fullerton shipmaster drowned at Antwerp 2.2.1884 46, w Rosalinda Anderson 11.11.1907 73, s John d Hamburg 9.7.1902 31.
Jean
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Hi JeanP,
Any chance of finding to following M.I.s.
John Forsyth died Johnshaven 1866 age 68, wife Mary (Bain) died Johnshaven 1887 age 87.
Children,
Elizabeth b.1834 last seen Johnshaven 1891 single, living with brother Duncan.
Duncan died 1900 Fettersso Poor House age 68.
William Stephen died 1898 Johnshaven age 58 and wife Margaret (Forsyth) died Johnshaven 1887 age 48.
Barry
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Sorry Beckey, none of your names appear in the pre 1855 gravestone index or on the Kirk plan.
There is a w Stephen on the plan but I have not transcribed it, I'll take a look and see if the stone is still there.
Jean
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Hi JEANP,
Thanks anyway, thought that it might be a long shot.
Barry
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Hi Gloria ,
Just looked at this sight for first time and noticed your search for Agnes Farquarson 3 years ago. She was also my 3Ggrandmother . She died on 10 Sept 1858 and is buried in Fettercairn Churchyard. Craighill, St. Cyrus. Her daughter Esther was my 2ggrandmother.
Her parents were Alexander and Elizabeth Ferrier who were married 22 Jul 1786 at Inverkeillor, Kincardineshire
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Hi there,
I'm interested in any Carnegie who may be buried in Benholm and would welcome any information you can offer.
I have Carnegie's in my family who were born and married in and around Benholm 1700's and 1800's.
eg. George Carnegie or John Carnegie (spouse Jean Shepherd)
Many thanks in advance.
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Sorry there's no record of Carnegie or Shepherd graves in Benholm Kirkyard.
Jean
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Sorry there's no record of Carnegie or Shepherd graves in Benholm Kirkyard.
Jean
Jean,
Thanks for checking that out for me, it's much appreciated.
Cheers
Jac
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Jean,
Because you provided me with the info on those three adjacent stones, you motivated me to start on my collateral lines. Obviously I'm interested in any other Fullertons that show up in your records but also wonder if some additional names might be recorded - I'm trying to track the female branches here. Although the marriages occurred in Benholm, I have no particular evidence they stayed there.
Walter Loch and Margaret Fullerton
John Craigie and Margaret Fullerton (lots of Margarets!)
John Duthie and Annabella Bisset Fullerton
John Greigson and Ann Fullerton
Alexander Strachan and Jean Fullerton
Thanks for anything you can provide!
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Hello again Wally,
Happy New Year!!
Do you have any dates for these you mention?
Jean :)
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Hi, Jean. Thanks for getting back to me.
Unfortunately I have only snippets on any of these, mostly from the IGI and old notes from my searches of the OPRs years ago. I have no solid death dates for any of these people but since I wrote the query a couple days ago I've discovered some indications that several may not have remained in Benholm. Here's what I have:
Walter Loch and Margaret Fullerton were married Jan 1808 and apparently had children born in Benholm as late as 1827. I am not certain which Margaret this was since at least two in the family would have been an appropriate age. One of those, by the way, is the Margaret Fullerton who married John Law in 1828 and whose stone you've already found - its possible that Loch was the first marriage and after his death she married Law (she was 50 and he was 65 at their marriage.)
John Craigie and Margaret Fullerton were married Nov 1854 in Benholm. Two cousins are possibles for this Margaret, the daughters of Robert and of his brother John who were sons of David, the tenant at Knox of Benholm. Because Robert is found in Lawrencekirk and Garvock at other times, its most likely John's daughter, b. 1828.
John Duthie and Annabella Bisset Fullerton were married Dec 1854 and had a son John in 1858 in Benholm. No further info available yet.
John Greigson and Ann Fullerton (b.1824) were married June 1845 and had three children in Benholm by 1850. Ann was another daughter of John, son of David. No more info yet.
Alexander Strachan and Jean Fullerton were earlier - Jean, b. 1745, was the daughter of George and Margaret (Pirie) Fullerton, and sister of David. The marriage is recorded as 1771 in Benholm. I have no information on them other than the reference on the stone for her parents that says she died before 1801 (as did two of her brothers.)
Thanks for anything you find - I've really only just started looking for these families so anything would be new and useful to me.
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Ok, I'll see if I can come up with anything. I've already looked at the pre 1855 gravestone index and there's nothing there. But I'll check my inscriptions and see if there's any later gravestones. I'm wondering if the ones who were married in the 1850's may have died after the Benholm kirkyard was closed and hence may be buried in Johnshaven. But I'll see if I can find anything and get back to you as soon as I can.
Jean :)
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Thank you, Jean. And I think you are likely correct that the later people are more likely to be in the newer cemetery if they remained in the area.
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As promised here are the Craigie/Craggie pre 1855 gravestone inscriptions:
Gravestone 26 - by David Reid shipmaster in Johnshaven imo w. margt Cragie 4.11.1784 32, chn David 1.1780 8.10.1784, John 12.1.1782 1.10.1784, David 13.10.1784 (west side) DMR 1791
Gravestone 79 - by Alex Cragie shipmaster Johnshaven imo w Elspet Blews 28.2.1800 61,md 1764, following chn: Anne b 11.10.1767, John b 26.8.1769, Alex b 18.(1).1771 d 24.7.1791, Wm b (19).8.1773 d 6.1775, Isobel b 23.6.1775, Christian b 10.1777 d 28.7.1778
Gravestone 80 - by John Craigie imo w jean Mill 27.12.1793 65, chn Ann 23.12.1797, Alex, Christian, John 28.5.1796, Jean, Wm, Andrew
Gravestone 81 - John Craigie shipmaster Johnshaven 29.6.1872 84
Gravestone 87 - 1805 by John Cragie late shipmaster Johnshaven imo w Janet Cragie d 25.12.1803 59 by whom he had the following chn margt b 8.4.1772, And b 10.12.1774, John b 4.7.1776 d 1794, Alex ----, William ----, Anne ----
Still on with this will be back soon
Jean ;)
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I am transcribing the headstones in Benholm Kirkyard and this project is almost complete.
If your ancestors died in Benholm/Johnshaven prior to 1892 then they will most likely be buried in Benholm Kirkyard. Providing they have a headstone then I may have information that could be useful.
I also have various records appertaining to Benholm and various snippets of information that I have picked up along the way.
So please contact me and I'll try my best!!
Jean
:)
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Jean, as an afterthought do you know of a Stone of Benholm Bothy?
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Stone of Benholm is a farm just over the way from us. It stands back from the road and I have never been up to it. It is surrounded by trees so the buildings aren't visible, the Bothy could be part of the farm steading or it could have been part of Stone of Benholm cottage which stands by the side of the road at the bottom of the lane to the main farm buildings.
Bothies were one room living places, so over time as the buildings have been modernised, the bothies have been incorporated into larger cottages and sadly have been lost. On the farm where we live the Bothy has completely disappeared, but it is thought to have been within the farm steading, which is now cow sheds. There are some clues to it's existance though, as there is a chimney and strange blocked up doors and windows.
Jean :)
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Just to say was interested in the 'Stones of Benholm as my grandfather was born there in 1910.
Regards,Lynda
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Dear Jean,
I hope that you may be able to help me find a few headstones in Benholm. I am looking for Alexander Gardner married Elizabeth Lermond, and had two sons Alexander born 1829, and George Folerton Carnegie Gardner born 1830. Both sons came to Australia, Alexander in 1852, and George in 1855.
They are both listed as farmers from Benholm on shipping records. Their father was alive in November 1852, but dead by January 1855. Both parents lived in Montrose in 1852. Elizabeth was still living their, widowed, in 1855. This comes from shipping records of the two brothers.
An uncle is visiting the area next month from Australia, and we are hoping to find him a few headstones to visit in the area!
Any idea if there are any other Carnegie-Gardner's (possible hypenated surname) in the area.
Thanks very much, Jenny.
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Sorry no-one with any of those surnames in Benhom Kirkyard. I have got an entry from the Farm Horse Tax records;
July 22 1797 - George Carnegie at Narrows of Balandria - 2 Horses liable to duty @ 2 shillings each - Duty payable 4 shillings.
There are fullertons in Benholm, please see the other thread for Benholm Kirkyard and I have photos of Fullerton stones if you should need them.
Jean
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Hi there,
I' m new to rootschat.com.
I have been looking into family history and found that I had family from Johnshaven.
Elizabeth my granny born 1902 her mother Elizabeth stayed at Fore Street, Plough Inn?, gt gt gtandparents
Ann and David Laing. can you give any info on these.
regards
Jenny
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Dear Jean,
Thanks for your help. I will look elsewhere.
Best wishes,
Jenny.
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Hello Jenny,
Please can you repost your query on the KIncardineshire board under a new title, give as much details as you know, in particular surnames (which you missed giving) and dates of birth/death/marriage etc.
Thanks
Jean
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Is this the same Joseph Freeman born 1790 in Kinneff and Catterline to James Freeman and Ann Taylor who married in 1776?
If so, my husband is related to Joseph through Joseph Freeman and Sarah Collie's daughter Elizabeth Freeman - b. 1820, Kincardineshire, Scotland.
Elizabeth married Alexander Davidson Milne (b. 1836, Kincardineshire, Scotland.)
Two of their sons were born were born in Aberdeen - John Milne in 1857, and David Milne in 1859.
They then moved to Napier, New Zealand where a third son Joseph Milne was born in 1861.
Elizabeth died in Hamilton, New Zealand in 1902; and Alexander died in Napier, New Zealand in 1922.
Their son John Milne married Lucetta Scott, and had a daughter called Jessie Milne.
Jessie Milne married Alan Raymond George, and had a son Gordon George who married Alice Mclaren who had my husband. My husband and I moved from Hamilton, New Zealand in 2005, and now live in Qld, Australia.
If this is the correct link, do you have any info. on the Freeman family from James Freeman and Ann Taylor's roots? that you would be willing to share?
My husbands side of the family has been a mystery up until now.
Thanks. JoCat.
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Hi Jean,
I know this is a long shot because I can not come up with any information of my Great Great Grandfather's death in Benholm. He lived on Black Street, Benholm Parish, Johnshaven up until his death between 1851-1854. I am assuming he must be buried at Benholm. His name was Adair Lockhart and since he died between that time there is no death certificate but I am keeping my fingers crossed that I may be able to find his burial. Maybe since you have the pre-1855 index he may be listed. Thanks for any help you can give, it is greatly appreciated.
Alicia
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hi Alicia
welcome to rootschat :)
adair lockhart died 10th november 1854 born c1800 ireland
he married jean lawson 21st nov. 1840 benholm
he lived back street johnshaven
they had 2 children jean born 1843 and hugh born 1845
i think hugh went on to be govenor of cunningham combination poorhouse
irvine ayrshire
jean lawson was previously married to a caird and this is my connection
i think adair lockhart's death is noted on jean lawson's gravestone which was
erected by hugh lockhart
jean caird(nee lawson) died 1868 in back street johnshaven
ev
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Thank you so much! This is what I have been looking for for a long time! I thank you so much for your help.
Alicia
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Alicia :)
are you decended through hugh lockhart ?
ev
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my great great grandfather was Hugh's father
my great grandfather Thomas and Hugh were half brothers so we do have the same Lockhart blood in us
Hugh would be my great great great half uncle :)
Alicia
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do you know what cemetary adair lockhart is buried at with jean lawson
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it's been a few years since i've looked at this
i seem to remember that the death details for adair lockhart are on jean lawson's gravestone
that would be johnshaven cemetery i think
was thomas lockhart born 1832 dundee ?
barbara lockhart(blair) died 13th december 1835 dundee age 34 child birth
wife of adair lockhart
adair lockhart seems to have married barbara blair 1826 dundee angus
then married jean lawson 1840 benholm kincardineshire
ev
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Hi Alicia,
From the pre 1855 gravestone index:
No 61:
by Hugh Lockhart imo robt 26.3.1842 9d, fa Adair Lockhart 10.11.1854 52, bro Wm Caird 22.2.1858 29, mo Jane lawson 10.1.1868 64.
Jean :)
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ev,
yes my Thomas Lumsdean Lockhart was born Sept. 23, 1832 to Adair and Barbara Blair. I don't have a death for Thomas' brother William or anything about his sister Margaret Miller Lockhart or James Lockhart. Thomas and his brother George both immigrated to Canada so I have their information but not the other siblings. I do have information of Hugh and Jane and a little of the Cairds but not much.
also, thanks Jean.
Alicia
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ev,
you mentioned you are related to the cairds, hugh and jane would be related to some of them. would you have any other information about hugh or jane like death dates or maybe if jane had a marriage
alicia
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hugh lockhart married elizabeth young mckenzie 14th feb 1871 edinburgh
i have 4 children
robert adair lockhart born 6th nov. 1871 ayr ayrshire
jessie mckenzie lockhart born 13th june 1873 irvine ayrshire
hugh lockhart born c1879 irvine ayrshire
jane lawson lockhart c1880 irvine ayrshire
hugh lockhart was governor of the cunninghame combination poorhouse from
1873 probably until his death in 1906 irvine ayrshire
jane(or jean) lockhart born 1843 is on the 1851 census
haven't found anything else
ev
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Jean
Do you have any photos of headstones or info on George Carnegie 1799 or any other Carnegie or Fullerton-carnegie?
Thankyou
Julie
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thanks ev,
i didn't know when hugh had died and i found jane in the 1861 and 1871 census, she was living with her mom's sister in the 1861 census and she was living with a different family in the 1871 census, she is listed single in both census and she is listed as a teacher
alicia
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Jenny, I've had a look at the gravestone transcriptions and there's none for laing.
Here's one for Officer:
ERECTED
BY
JOHN OFFICER
IN MEMORY OF HIS WIFE
ELIZABETH MITCHELL
WHO DIED AT SCOTSTON LAURENCEKIRK
29TH SEP 1900 AGED 72 YEARS
ALSO THEIR SON JAMES
WHO DIED AT KIRKTON BENHOLM
13TH JULY 1862 AGED 11 MONTHS
ALSO THE ABOVE
JOHN OFFICER
DIED AT SCOTSTON LAURENCEKIRK
24TH FEB 1902 AGED 84 YEARS
ALSO THEIR SON ALEXANDER
WHO DIED AT STONEYDALE LAURENCEKIRK
18TH SEPT 1907 AGED 44 YEARS
AND INTERRED IN LAURENCEKIRK CEMETERY
Nothing for any of your other names either there are graves marked Ogilvy on the plan, but unfortunately no headstones. I have some other records I can look at for you, so bear with me and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
Jean
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Hi My ancesters William hendry and his wife Jean Jack had 10 children and lived at Muirton house farm Benholm
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We have a John Bertie died 23.02.1883 by being knocked down by a railway train. He lived at Benholm and Bervie, might be interested to see if what they found is buried at your churchyard.
Evelyn
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Hi JEANP,
Looking for any MI on a Roderick Ross, 1851 lived Benholm age 56 (b.about 1795), his wife was a Jean Forsyth b. about 1800 and died before 1841 and any others of that family please.
Roderick Ross died Johnshaven 7/1/1864.
Barry
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I have a 3rd Great Grandfather James Gove born in Benholm 1776 married a Isobel Watson born 1777 in Laurencekirk married in Benholm 1799 Isobel died in Benholm 1835 they had about 7 children. I have no death date for James does this ring any bells for a Gravestone or a death date.
Also James father Alexander born again in Benholm in 1752 married a Anne Edward 1775 have no death dates again any info would be appreciated.
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Here are the pre 1855 gravestone entries for Gove;
14 - 1860. And Gove seaman Johnshaven 1.1.1855 75, w Jane Gove 4.3.1851 76, da Eliz 8.9.1863 63
88 - Robt Gove 25.5.1902 90, w Margt Thomson 23.4.1902 83
90 - Wm Gove d Johnshaven 9.3.1875 68, w Margt Wam 27.6.1889 79, s Wm d Australia, two chn d inf, by da Helen
Apart from the above there is a stone for J Gove, unfortunately the stone is damaged and no inscrip[tion remains apart from a date which is either 1811 or 1817.
Jean
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Thank you so much for that quick reply unfortunately I cant get them to tie in with my Goves. Will keep on trying again thanks so much.
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Hello Jean,
I wandered around Benholm Churchyard a few years ago, my father's ancestors lived there in the late 1700's, William Christie and Jean Kemlo. I have not been able to go further with their lines as they appear to have died pre 1855, and also did not follow the usual naming process most families used.
I doubt if they would have had a headstone as they did not appear to have enough money to register their son David my direct ancestor. However, I would be interested in the names you do find. They had other sons, Thomas, George, Hercules and Robertson. I have info on Robertson, but nothing on Thomas, George and Hercules.
I am researching my mother's side who mostly come from Berwickshire and East Lothian, a group have done a lot of work with names in a Churchyard-I think it's Preston, and have put all the info on CDs, there are photos of the graves etc, I know it is a lot of work but you might be interested in seeing exactly what they have done.
Thank you for your hard work and if you have any relevant info, please contact me.
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Hi Jean,
I am a new forum member from NZ and am trying to locate the graves of the following people (GG Grandparents) :
Elizabeth (Betsy) Blews or Blues born 1829 St Cyrus and died 6 April 1857 at Foregate Johnshaven and her husband William Fotheringham b. July 1823 died 22 January 1893
(the source for this information were the old parochial registers of Benholm - 1977 a scots genealogist did some research for my gran).
I would appreciate any help or advice you could give me as I am over here in NZ.
Regards Alison
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Hello Alison,
I received a message to say that someone had posted a message on the Benholm thread.
I remember seeing the name Blue/Blues as I was doing my own research, my own family wandered around the Mearns, some emigrating, some heading for Arbroath or Montrose, the two nearest main towns. Some of my relatives headed for Dundee. I never came across any who went in the other direction, up north to Aberdeen. Dundee library have info re people in the Montrose / Arbroath area plus Dundee itself. It would be a main starting point.
If you have no luck there try the North East Family History Society in King Street in Aberdeen; I assume you can get info on line from them, I've just been there in person twice, the people there were very helpful.
Some of my family also headed for Fordoun, it's more inland, and although it's a blink and you are through it place now, there were more people living there in the 1800's. The nearest Churchyard is in Auchenblae, the old one and the new one. The old one is really old and I think the graves go into the 1800's, but there aren't that many, I think most people were buried with no gravestone, and I'd love to know where they were buried, because the size of Auchenblae church yard which surrounds the new Church (incorporating the ruins of St Palladius Chapel) doesn't seem to reflect the many people who lived in the Parish over the centuries.
Look up the Angus Family History Society too, on line.
Good luck with your search!
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HI Alison,
Thankyou for your posting, its given me some more places to look and check out. I have managed to access the following site for some parts of Scotland
http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/index.asp
it provides transcription of alot of church/kirkyard records and photos of all headstones but unfortunatly it is not complete as yet, I believe local councils are providing all of this as a matter of public record. It makes researching from around the other side of the world very rewarding.
Regards Ali
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PS aLISON,
Dunnottar Churchyard isn't that far away, I found listings and notes for many of the graves, that would be a good one to check.
A useful place to find out what happened to some people if you want to check on anyone who might have been old enough to fight in the first World War, is the Angus War Memorials, I found a few relating to different towns and saw many names of people (not related) but with surnames close to the ones I'd been researching.
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Here are the entries for Blues/Blews in the pre 1855 gravestone Index.:
Benholm:
Erected by Alex Cragie shipmaster Johnshaven imo w Elspet Blews 28.2.1800 61, md 1764,following chn: Ann b. 11.10.1767, John b 26.8.1769, Alex b 18.(1). 1771 d 24.7.1791, Wm b (19).8.1773 d 6.1775, Isobel b 23.6.1775, Christian b 10.1777 d 28.7.1778.
Erected by Wm Blews, R-- officer in Gurdon imo fa Thos Blews skipper Johnshaven 1784 92,mo Janet Falconer 1775 86, 1w helen innes 1758 22, their da Mary d inf, deceased chn by 2w Isobel Dickie, Robt 1765 3y, Wm 1783 (17) y, Barbara 1775 3y 7 Barbara 1777 6m.
Wm Blews 27.1.1805 75, 2w Isobel Dickie 17.5.1798 62, two of their das viz Cleaphen 17.6.179- 22 & Janet 30.1.1799 39, s David d Port Royal Jamaica 17.9.1797 33. By John Simpson imo w Isabella Blues 26.5 1850 71.
If you do a seacrh for the name Blews, you will see this reply to another query.
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Happy New Year to you.
Thank you very much for the kind offer to do lookups in Benholm MIs. I'm particularly interested to learn if there is a headstone for Adam Wood, died 1875 and his wife Elizabeth (nee Dundas) died 1866. Both died in Benholm. Any other Wood family members would also be of interest.
I'm particularly interested in Elizabeth Dundas's father John Dundas and whether he is also buried in Benholm (though I suspect not). He was parish schoolmaster in Fern (Angus) for many years, known there as John DILDARG. The name appears to have morphed into DUNDAS by the 1830s.
Robyn
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Hi Anne,
I had the pre 1855 gravestone index to hand there are 2 entries for Wood family members(no Dundas or Dildarg);
42 . 1761 by Jas Wood tent Mains of Brotherton imo mo in law Margt Anderson 9.7.1758 87 here int (spouse to Jas Ross sometime tent Bridgeton of Thornton), also 2w Eliz Davidosn 11.5.1790 33 & left alive six chn. He died 15.6.1796 76 & lies here. (West side)
43. 1833 by Jas Wood mason El-Sinore imo s Chas 11.12.1826 2y & wm 23.7.1831 inf.
I'll have at look at the later head stones/burials and get back to you.
Happy New Year
Jean :)
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Thank you very much for your help with this family, what a wonderful woman you are!
I've done a little more research since my last posting and these are the Wood family members I'm particularly chasing:
1. Adam Wood d 1912 (and wife Jessie Legge)
2. Children of above were: Adam (and wife Ann McDonald, he d 1926); Elizabeth; William and John
3. Children of above Adam and Ann: David b1890 and Adam b1891 d 1970 m Lizzie Kinnear Smith and she d1995.
Any MIs for the above would be gratefully received. Thanks again.
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Anna,
The people you mention are most likely buried in the cemetery in Johnshaven as Benholm was closed to burials by these dates. Unfortunately, I haven't transcribed those stones, but it may be a project for the future!
There is a Dundas stone marked on the plan as G Dundas, unfortunately it is damaged and no inscription remains - but I have a photo of it if you would like it.
I will continue with the Communion Roll entries on a separate post.
Jean
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Communion Roll 1884-1890:
John Wood Jnr -S-Brotherton-Gardener-Confirmed for the first time 1886-transferred to another Kirk 10.10.1889
Mr & Mrs John Wood-Brotherton-Gardener- Attended 1884-1888
Mr & Mrs George Wood (Jean Cruickshank)-Johnshaven-Whitefisher- Attended 1884-1889
Jane Wood -S- Shorehead,Johnshaven-Dom.Serv.-Attended 1884-1888- married Chas? Stephen
Mr & Mrs Alexander Wood(Mary Johnstone)-Johnshaven-Drill Sergeant-Attended 1884-1885- Transferred 27.07.1887
Mr & Mrs Joseph Wood-Stone of Benholm-Farm Serv.-Attended 1884-1889
Mr & Mrs David W Dundas(Betsy Mackie)-Mid St, Johnshaven-Salmon Fisher-Attended 1884-1890
Jean
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Communion Roll 1890-1896
Mr & Mrs David W Dundas-Brawliemuir-Farm Serv.-Admitted 24.v1.94 from Bervie - Transferred 23.v.96
Jean
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Jean,
Have you any results for the names Christie/Kemlo in Benholm Churchyard? Do you know where the poor would have been buried?
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From the pre 1855 index:
No 76
1803 by Lieut Robt.Christie imo fa Jas Christie fr Mussle Pool of Gurdon d 22.8.1799 64 & 2 chn Belen? & Alex d inf, Eliz 17.12.1806 31 (h jas Milne fr Gourdon)
There are a couple more I've transcribed but I will post separate.
Jean
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Hi JEANP,
Have you any M.I. please at Benholm for a Roderick Ross, last address 51 Fore St.,Benholm aged 56 and his wife Jean nee Forsyth died before 1841.
Barry
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Alison, here are 2 more that I've transcribed;
1860
ERECTED
BY
MARGARET CHRISTIE
IN MEMORY OF HER HUSBAND
DAVID WILLOCKS
LATE FARMER NORTH MUIRTON
WHO DIED JUNE 15TH 1858
AGED 80 YEARS
THE ABOVE MARGARET CHRISTIE
WHO DIED 5TH AUG 1870 AGED 90 YEARS
HER SON ROBERT DIED 14TH JAN 1822
AGED 30 YEARS
THEIR DAUGHTER ANN DIED 7TH SEP 1822
AGED 23 YEARS
WILLIAM WILLOCKS DIED 19TH JULY 1825
AGED 59 YEARS
ERECTED
BY
ELIZA HUGHES
IN MEMORY OF HER HUSBAND
JOSEPH CHRISTIE BUILDER
WHO DIED AT JOHNSHAVEN 24TH DEC 1882
AGED 74 YEARS
ALSO THEIR SON THOMAS
WHO DIED AT LAURISTON 1ST SEP 1862
AGED 4 YEARS
ALSO HER SISTER SARAH
WHO DIED 1ST MARCH 1887
ALSO THE ABOVE ELIZA CHRISTIE
WHO DIED AT JOHNSHAVEN 12TH APRIL 1900
AGED 84 YEARS
Jean :)
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Alison,
There's also an entry in the Farm Horse Tax records on 26 Aug 1797;
Robert Christie - near Sillyflatt - 1 Horse - 1 horse liable to duty - Duty payable 4s.
Jean
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Thank you very much Jean,
I think Eliza and Joseph are distant relatives, I have a Joseph Christie born 1822 a month after his parent's marriage! but he was married to Jane Falconer; however, the name Joseph seems to be related to the Kemlo side of the family who gave many children Biblical names.
I saw Robert's name in the horse tax list but again he is either a cousin of William, or just shared the same surname.
My Christie relatives started off in Bervie then moved to Benholm, I just have the last child being born in 1803. It is very frustrating as I have been in contact with 2 other people doing the same tree and we cannot get any further back.
Thank you for your work anyway.
Do you know where poor people were buried? Loads of people lived in Johnshaven and Benholm but the Churchyard is relatively small.
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There isn't another burial area so I presume everyone was buried in the Kirkyard. The burial ground is relatively small now, but before the Church was rebuilt in the first half of the 19th century, the burial ground covered a much larger area. Unfortunately, I don't know of any plan showing the extent of the burials, but I have heard that some still remain below the village properties and gardens.
As you probably already know it was common practice for wealthier people or those who could afford headstones to be buried near to the church, the poorer people were buried the farthest away. So after the rebuild, the burials beyond the new planned kirkyard could have been (and I don't know what happened) either reburied - which I doubt, or just built on and forgot about - so sad.
The plan I have was done when the current kirkyard was full, so it only shows the burials after the rebuild.
Jean
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Alison here are the Christie entries from the Communion Roll Books
1884-1890
"Widow" Christie-Beach House - Attended 1184-1889
Mr & Mrs Andrew Christie - Admitted Dec 1884 from Dunnottar - attended 1884-1889
1890-1896
Mrs Christie - Widow - Johnshaven - attended 1890-1891
Jean
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Barry,
Ross - Pre 1855 Gravestone Index:
No.40. 1841. imo Geo Ross formerly tent Stone of Benholm, afterwards of Kinnaird''s Mill & of w Eliz Middleton, also their chn Jannet, Eliz, Margt, David, Helen, Ann, Geo, & Jane.
No. 42. already posted on main query for Benholm Kirk.
No. 45. by Charlotte Arbuthnott 15.1.1893 82, imo her parents Jas Arbuthnott 28.3.1838 60 & Margt Ross 7.3.1865. 93, sisters Jane 21.7.1864 61, Cath 8.7.1873 80, Margt 25.3.1874 69
No. 73 1801 by John Norie mason haughs of Nether Benholm d 10.11.1825 91 imo w Jean Ross 1.2.1798 57, s Jas 5.1789 12, two chn d inf, da Jean 1.1840 74y
No 83 1851. by John, Jean & Ann Ross imo bro Wm Ross fr Whitefield of Ballandro d 1.6.1852 51, sis mary 9.6.1853 55, jean 22.5.1859, John 21.1.1869, Ann 29.1.1879, niece Jane Watson 4.10.1894 83 ( s Geo Hunter shipmaster 3.2.1896 52)
Jean
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From Farm Horse Tax:
22.07.1797-George Ross - Stone of Benholm - 5 horses all liable for duty @ 2s- Duty 10s
Jean
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Communion Roll
1884-1890
Archibald Ross - s- Johnshaven - weaver - attended 1884-1889
Alexander Ross -s- Johnshaven - weaver - attended 1884- died 05.02.1886
Mr & Mrs Archibald Ross ( Ann Anderson) - Mains of Allardice - Farm Serv - admitted 28.vi.85 from Melville Church Montrose - attended 1885-1887- Transferred 1890
Mr & Mrs Alexander Forsyth(Susan Beattie) - Johnshaven - Salmon Fisher - 1884-1887 - Transferred 5.iv.89
1890-1896
Archibald Ross - s - Balandro - Farm Serv - attended 1890/91 died 25.08.95
Jean
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Communion Roll
1884-1890
All Laing;
David - s- Davo - Blacksmith-attended 1884-Transferred 12.VI.86
Alexander - s-Pitcarry,Laurencekirk-Servant-attended 1884-1890
Eliza - s - East Haremuir -1st Confirmed 30.VI.89-attended 89-90
All Officer;
Mr & Mrs John-Kirktown-farmer-attended 1884-1886-Transferred 30.V.87
Elizabeth-s- as above
Alexander -s- as above
Isabella - s- as above - 1st confirmed June 1884
John Jnr -s- Dykelands-farmer- attended 1884-1886 -Transferred 30.V.87
Mary -s- as above
Mr & Mrs John (Jane Gordon)-Nether Knox- farmer- Transferred from Laurencekirk June 1884- attended 1884-90
Jean
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Communion Roll
1890-1896
All Cowie:
Mr & Mrs William-East Haremuir-Crofter-attended 1890-95
Alexander -s- East Haremuir-1st confirmed 29.VI.90-attended 1890-95
William jnr -s- East Haremuir - 1st confirmed 25.VI.93 - attended 1893-95
Mrs & Mrs William - Woodside-Crofter-attended 1890-95
All Laing;
Anne-s-Johnshaven-1st confirmed 8.12.95
Mr & Mrs Alexander -Nether Birnie-Farm serv-transferred from Strachan 25.VI.93 - attended 1893-95
Mr & Mrs Alexander - East Haremuir - Crofter-attended 1890-95
Alex. jnr - s- Pitcarry - farm serv- attended 1890-95
Eliza - s - Dom Serv- attended 1890-95
Mr & Mrs John Officer-Nether Knox-Farmer-attended 1890-95-Transferred Nov 1896
Jean
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Hi JEANP,
Thank you for the information.
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Thank you very much Jean, though I hate to think of my GGGrand parents being buried deep down in someone's garden!
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Hi Jean thanks for your generosity in sharing...
Have you any Grieve or Gowans please?
Christian GOWANS daughter of James GOWANS and Mary GRIEVE.
was baptised Benholm July 1803.
We think she may have died abt 1842 in St Cyrus,
no death cert found and no info on her parents at all,
maybe they were buried in Benholm..?
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Hello,
Sorry there are no burials or gravestone transcriptions for Grieves/ Gowans.
Here are the entries from the Communion Roll Book for 1884-1895.
Mrs Grieve - Wid - Johnshaven- Transferred from fc Johnshaven - 1884-1889 & 1891
Mr & Mrs James Gowans - Johnshaven - Slater - admitted 26.vII.92 from Arbroath- 1892-1893
Mr & Mrs Grieve - Stone of Benholm - Farm Servant-admitted 25.vi.91 from Laurencekirk - removed 23.v.92
Maggie Grieve - Stone of Benholm - admitted from Fettercairn- Removed 23.v.92
Jean :)
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Many thanks for looking Jean.
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May be nothing but my wife's family includes John Christie MASSON born Tullo, Benholm abt. 1846, worked in China but dies Scotland 1873. He is the only person in our tree to have Christie as a forename and I have not found out where it came from although the following may be a possibility.
Have a note that James MASSON, son of Alexander MASSON and Janet CHRISTIE, moved from Sketraw to Cowie about 1810 marrying a local girl Mary Watt [Aberdeen & NE Scotland FHS Journal 81: Nov 2001].
Unfortunately, James Masson seems to have been quite a common name - I have at least 3 of them in the tree.
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Hello,
This is from the pre 1855 gravestone index:
No 77.
Jas Masson, Tullo of Benholm, d 10.3.1885 76, yt da Jane 18.02.1870 18,
1s John Christie 15.08.1873 28, w Isabel Gibb 8.1877 69, s Jas d Amoy 23.3.1878 29.
Jean
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Thanks, Jean. Noted that James Masson (b.1850) died in Amoy, China [and is buried there, according to my research] but is remembered on the family gravestone.
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Looks like this is a different James Masson, on the gravestone it says he died in 1885 aged 76.
Jean
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Yes, Jean, it's father and son, both called James. Father James born abt. 1809 and died aged 76. Son James born 1850 & died Amoy. Hope this is the correct explanation as it appears to be the one which my research indicates.
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Hi Jean, I'm trying to obtain some information on my ancestors from Johnshaven.
My 3rd great grandfather, James Douglas, died 5 Jul 1884 at Johnshaven. His wife, Mary Hay, died 11 Jul 1887, at Johnshaven. I have census data on the family from 1841 to 1881.
James's parents were John Douglas & Margaret Scott but I know nothing about them.
Mary's parents were David Hay & Margaret Davidson. David was born in Benholm parish about 1760. There is a Benholm parish mortcloth record for a David Hay dated 29 Jan 1826. I think that it could possibly be him. Margaret was born abt 1770 at St. Cyrus.
I would be very greatful for any monument inscription information for James Douglas and Mary Hay, and any information at all on either sets of parents.
Kind Regards
Stewart
Stewart,
David Hay 1798 and Mary Morrison were my ggg g\p's. The name Morrice is repeated often in the family.
David was son of David Hay 1764 and Margaret Davidson.
David 1764 m Anne Grieg and may have been a son of David Hay 1734 and Janet Raitt.
There are cousins in ENG, CAN, and South Africa.
cheers
Pat
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...and I have transcribed this:
IN MEMORY OF
ROBERT GREIG WELCH WHO DIED JUNE 30 1893
SON OF DAVID WELCH AND ANN HAY WELCH, JOHNSHAVEN
ALSO OF HIS SONS DAVID 1915 & JAMES DOUGLAS 1916
If any of these are connected let me know and I'll get you a photo.
Jean :)
Jean, these folks are mine. Ann Hay Welch would be a great aunt a whole bunch of times over.
If you happen to have a photo to share, that would be lovely, or if you're nearby one day, but don't go out of your way unless you require a reason to get out and about.
Cheers
Pat
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AT LAST THE QUESTION are any of them buried in Benholm or Johnshaven?
Mary Beattie died at Blinkbonnie, Benholm 11 Nov 1908 is there an MI?
George Shields her husb died Woodside, Benholm 22 Nov 1874 is there an MI?
Penelope Shields their Daur Died Garvock St, Laurencekirk 3 Dec 1938 Mi?
William Curr, her husb died Garvock St , Laurencekirk 6 Dec 1925 MI?
Mary Ann Beattie died South Lodge, Benholm Castle, 5 Feb 1942 MI?
James Clark her husb. died South Lodge, Benholm Castle 8 Apr 1936 MI?
David Shields died 44 Alpin Road, Dundee 15 Oct 1939 MI?
Margaret Myles M.S. STOTT 33 Nursery Road, Montrose 19 Dec 1927 MI?
After farming at Blinnkbonnie, David was a Brewry Foreman in Montrose..Roll on 1911 Census!
Also the following related People
Mary A Clark daur or Mary Ann Beattie & James Clark born Benholm 1892 ish
her daur Gertrude Clark born ?? 1914 ish
Arthur William Strachan Shields born Benhom 1900 ish
died Dundee 1975 ish
his wife May Grant Cathro married 5 Jun 1926 at The Manse, John Street, Montrose
possible death Dundee.1983ish
Any information relating to the missing census years and or MI's or Obits
or the above connections will be greatly appreaciated.
Yoyrs Aye.
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Hello Pat, I'll get you photos no problem, if you send me your email by pm, I'll get them to you as soon as poss.
Jean :)
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By David Hay imo w Ann Greig 25.9.1793 59, 2w Margt Davidson 23.3.1823 54, (her two eldest ss John & Davdison both d childhood, also his two youngest Isobell & Alexander both d inf.
David Hay would have died the following year if that mortcloth entry was for him, but there's no mention of him on the stone.
I just want to double check...Here's how I read this:
By David Hay in memory of wife Ann Grieg 25 Sep 1793 59 yrs old
second wife Margaret Davidson 23 Mar 1823 54 yrs old...
If I have this right, the same David Hay married both Ann Grieg and Margaret Davidson, according to this???
If so, then I have a problem because I show them as two generations of David Hays - father and son.
David Hay married 1763 Anne Grieg . I have one son, David b abt 1764, m 1794 Margaret Davidson, their sons, Davidson and John were ch 1795.
Yikes!
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Well according to the stone David married both Ann Grieg and Margaret Davidson.
And just to confuse the matter even further, there's another David Hay stone, a fancy flat stone;
13. Janet Raitt 21.3.1758 57, h David Hay mason in Tulloh of Berv(ie) d 17.10.176(3) 60, das Janet Hay (9).6.1738 (2) y, Mary Hay 22.2.1758 14, also Kath Hay 179(8) 61. The sunglasses smiley should be an 8 but keeps coming up as a smiley instead!
Jean :)
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Just checked the IGI I can't see a David Hay b c 1764, where did you get him from?
Jean ???
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Well according to the stone David married both Ann Grieg and Margaret Davidson.
And just to confuse the matter even further, there's another David Hay stone, a fancy flat stone;
13. Janet Raitt 21.3.1758 57, h David Hay mason in Tulloh of Berv(ie) d 17.10.176(3) 60, das Janet Hay (9).6.1738 (2) y, Mary Hay 22.2.1758 14, also Kath Hay 179(8) 61. The sunglasses smiley should be an 8 but keeps coming up as a smiley instead!
Jean :)
Well! I'm really happy I stopped in here, in a bittersweet way - LOL...looks like I have some tree pruning to do.
I think I originally got this line from a now 83 yr old cousin...that would be about 15 years ago. And, considering the dates, I can see why I've never questioned it.This is the second time I've trusted the elders and it went sideways. I found it hard to find records for that period and just left it.
As for David Hay and Janet Raitt - I have them down as "suspects" possible parents of David Hay m Anne Grieg.
So, Mr David was real busy making kids when he was past 60. Wow.
I'm going to have to backtrack for a bit and see what's up here. If you come across any other tidbits - do show and tell!
More later, and thank you doesn't come close...
Pat
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Well according to the stone David married both Ann Grieg and Margaret Davidson.
And just to confuse the matter even further, there's another David Hay stone, a fancy flat stone;
13. Janet Raitt 21.3.1758 57, h David Hay mason in Tulloh of Berv(ie) d 17.10.176(3) 60, das Janet Hay (9).6.1738 (2) y, Mary Hay 22.2.1758 14, also Kath Hay 179(8) 61. The sunglasses smiley should be an 8 but keeps coming up as a smiley instead!
Jean :)
Katherine Hay must have d 1793 - 1798 doesn't work with her ch date of 1732.
I have, in case anyone else is interested, Alex 1730, Katherine 1732, Robert 1734, David 1734, Janet 1736, John 1741, and Mary 1743 as probable children of David Hay and Janet Raitt.
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Hi Jean,
could you check the M.Is. for a Robert Young who died 1851/1854 husband of Susan Smith. His wife & children are living Middle St Johnshaven in 1861. I have been unable to find a death cert for him 1855-1861.
I think he is on 1841 census for Johnshaven with father Archibald, sister Charlotte & grandmother Mary Waldie but looking for confirmation it is same person.
Many thanks
Kris.
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Sorry Kris, there's no stone for him in Benholm.
Jean
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thank you Jean for taking the time to check.
Kris
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Hello Jean,
I have an interest in Benholm as my gr-gr-grandmother Margaret JAFFRAY was born and lived in Benholm. I have no record of her death or the deaths of her parents or siblings. Do you have any JAFFRAYs buried in the Benholm Kirkyard? If there are I can provide further details on names and birth dates. Thank you for your efforts on this project.
Alex
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Sorry Alex there are no stones for Jaffray in Benholm
Jean
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Thanks Jean for the information on the JAFFRAY family.
I see that you are also researching the LEIGHTON family. My 3rd great grandmother was Mary LEIGHTON. The only information I have on her was her marriage to William BAIRD on 19 Nov 1809 in Montrose. Do we have a connection here?
Alex
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Pre 1855 Parish Baptisms, Marriages and Mort Cloth records, are available for research in the Kirk Vestry. The vestry is open every day between 9 & 5. Some census records, other MIs and local interest publications also available.
Jean
:) :)
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Hi Jean,Im trying to find if there is any record of a.....Mary Mackie..nee..(Barclay)...she is my GGGM and died in Benholm.......11/7/1886.......aged 89.
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What information are you looking for?
Jean
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Hi Jean,thanks for your response is there a head stone in the kirk grave yard,are there any...... Mackies.....buried there.I know its a long shot she was born in St Cyrus and seemed to spend most of her long life.. ( 89 years ).. in Kinneff her husband dies there,but she ends her days in...... Benholm.... perhaps with a daughter or son, if a daughter i have no married name for her,but obviously the son would be called...Mackie. Her married name.her maiden name was .....Barclay......thank you for your efforts...David.
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There are a couple of Mackie stones, but not unfortunately the one you are looking for, however it is possible that your Mary Mackie could be buried in Johnshaven cemetery. Burials stopped around 1891 in Benholm, not sure when they started in Johnshaven.
Inscriptions:
Erected by John Mackie, in memory of his wife Mary Dye who died at Johnshaven 19 Jan 1901 aged 60yrs, His sons William Mackie d 13.10.1893 aged 26, Robert Dye Mackie d in Montrose Infirmary 11.11.1893 aged 35yrs, also his son-in-law William Beattie d 21.02.1908 aged 26 yrs, the above John Mackie d 02.12.1913 aged 79 yrs, Their son George d 31.05.1927 aged 53 yrs.
The other stone is marked on the plan as D Mackie and is very damaged, hardly any inscription remains, there is the name John mentioned and also a date of 1775 and a reference to mother and possibly daughter.
Sorry not to have been much help.
Jean
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Hi Jean, thank you very much for your efforts.......... :)
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Hi Jean,
Any info on Violet DUNCAN married Alexander THOM
died 1908 at Petrieston, Garvock. He died maybe 1937 ish.
Alexander THOM`s mother was Elizabeth BEATTIE married to John THOM
she died 1903 at Breahead Johnshaven. He died 1994 at Upper Birnie.
Elizabeths father was William BEATTIE from Brawliemuir.
Any Info greatly appreciated.
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There's a headstone;
ERECTED
BY
ALEXANDER THOM
IN MEMORY OF HIS WIFE
VIOLET DUNCAN
WHO DIED AT PETRIESTON GARVOCK
25TH MARCH 1908 AGED 60 YEARS
HIS SON WILLIAM
DIED AT UPPER BIRNIE
20TH SEPT 1888 AGED 9 YEARS
HIS DAUGHTER
JEMIMA
WHO DIED AT PETRIESTON GARVOCK
10TH FEB 1910 AGED 27 YEARS
THE ABOVE
ALEXANDER THOM
DIED AT LAURENCEKIRK
4TH APRIL 1938 AGED 91 YEARS
Jean :)
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Thank you once again Jean
Is there any chance of getting a photo?
maybe when the weather is nicer. (pouring rain (bucketing) here on the Wet coast of Canada).
Are there any other THOM`S or Beauties?
at your leisure, off course.
Thank goodness you are able to do this. Thanks again.
Yours Aye,
Angus
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The weather's the same here, we don't usually get much rain - but we've had our fair share in the last month!
I'll get you a photo no problem, but please don't be afraid to PM me with a reminder, as I'm likely to forget, we tend to hibernate a bit at this time of year.
However, we've got a Christmas sing-a-long down at the Kirk on the 9th December, so I'll be down there and will try to remember my camera. There's no toilets at the Kirk so we don't hang around too long, especially in this cold weather!
There is a couple of other Beattie stones (and there are still Beatties in the area), one is a pre 1855 one, but I can't lay my hands on the index just now, but I'll let you knw what it says if you've not seen it already. I may have already put it on here, try a search and let me know. The other is on the Kirk plan as R Beattie, but unfortunately, no inscription remains.
But no other Thom burials marked on the plan.
I have the communion roll which covers the period late 1880's so I'll check if there's any mention of your folks on there, but once again don't know where it is. I've took copies of everything to the Kirk and I have masters here, but I've hidden them so well I can't remember where!
Jean :)
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Hi Jean
I wonder if you could help me with my grandfathers and grandmothers grave
I have found that they were buried in the Old part of Johnshaven Cemetery
Compartment E Section 3 numbers 553 554 and 555.
I would like to know if there are any gravestones.
I live in England but am hoping to come up there next year.
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Montrosekid
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Now there's a coincidence of queries.
Just last week I enquired about my maternal grandparents place of burial.
I believed were buried in the old section of Johnshaven but was not certain.
I supplied names and dates of death to the Registrar's Office in Stonenhaven and got this response in a couple of days.
"I can confirm that your Maternal Grandparents did indeed own ground in
Johnshaven. The Old part of the Cemetery.
This office does hold a map however, I am unable to provide a photo copy."
They go on to say that enquirers can view this map by appointment.
The address you need to send the enquiry to is:
stonehaven.registrar@aberdeenshire.gov.uk
Regards,
Sy
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Hi there, could you provide their names dod etc and I'll have look c for you.
Jean
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Hi Jean
Walter Freeman - died 12th September 1925
and Isabella Adam Freeman - died 25th July 1943.
I suspect no gravestones but would like very much to know
Thanks for your help
Kind regards
Dot
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Have you done a search for Freeman on here, there seems to be quite a few hits.
Maybe someone already has the info you are looking for ;)
Please let me know if you don't need a pic.
Thanks
Jean
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Hi Jean and Hi Cousin Dot.
This is all I have:
My maternal grandparents both lived and died in Johnshaven in Benholm parish
Walter = Isabella ADAM, m. 27th August 1898 Johnshaven village, Benholm parish
Sources: SR birth, death & marriage certificates
Walter was born in Gourdon, Bervie parish and died in Johnshaven, 12th Sept 1925 aged 58 years.
Isabella was born in Johnshaven and died there 25th July 1943 aged 66.
An enquiry to: stonehaven.registrar@aberdeenshire.gov.uk
elicited this answer -- Your Grandfather purchased
three Lairs in the Old part of Johnshaven Cemetery
They are located in Compartment E
Section 3 No's 553, 554 and 555.
I can understand one lair -- but three lairs obviously means other burials I did not expect.
My parents, an uncle, my brother and sister-in-law are all buried in the new cemetery as are Freeman cousins and many personal friends from my childhood.
I will not be able to visit until summer next year at the earliest, if anyone on this forum visits regularly I would appreciate any information they can provide. I'm sure Dot would also appreciate some help with this, we share the same grandparents.
Sy
in Dumfries SW Scotland
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hi Jean
I wondered if you could see if there is any record of a burial/ or a grave for Isobel (Bell) MILNE born in Benholm about 1800 or her husband James CRAIG born in Bervie about 1788
they lived on Fore St Johnshaven (1861 census) and I have a possible death date for Isobel 08/11/1869
they had the following children
Joseph(1821) Susan(1823)David(1825) James (1827) Archibald(1830)sailor who moved to Liverpool
Alexander (1833)
is the family centre room open at Benholm Kirk at the weekends?
thanks for your help
Pam
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Hi Pam,
I'm somewhat shocked there's no Craig burials at all!
The research room is open every day 9 - 5
Jean
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Hi Jean. I am writing from New Zealand and have hit a massive brick wall regarding my 3xgreat grandparents Eliza Mitchell who married William MCINTOSH and lived in Johnshaven from at least 1881 (Census 91 Mid Street Johnshaven) until Williams death in 1904. Eliza died 2 October 1898 (aged 47yrs), her grandson William Stephen McIntosh died 4 Sept 1894 (aged 1yr), William himself died 10 Sept 1904 (aged 52yrs), and their daughter Lizzie Donaldson (married surname Nicoll) died 25 Dec 1919. None of the death certificates state where they were buried but all the deaths were registered in Johnshaven. I know I am asking a lot but I am hoping you are able to provide any information regarding any of the above. Thank you so very much and wishing you a wonderful new year.
With warm regards,
Meredith
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Happy New Year to you too Meredith,
I've checked the burials in Benholm and there's nothing I'm afraid, my guess is that they were buried in Johnshaven cemetry, burials closed in Benholm towards the end of the century. Unfortunately, the gravestones in Johnshaven have not been transcribed yet. Where did they come from before they moved to the area, perhaps they're buried there?
Jean
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Hi Jean. Thank you for your reply. Eliza Mitchell is very easy to trace as she and her parents lived in Laurencekirk. I can't find any birth record for William but it says on his marriage and death certs that he was born in Montrose. It all becomes a bit of a puzzle from here on as William is boarding in Laurencekirk in 1871 census, then a daughter Williamina is born October 1871 in Laurencekirk to William and Eliza. Somehow they married in 1875 in Blackfriars Glasgow, their next 3 children are also born in Glasgow, before they appear again 1881 census in Johnshaven where William and Eliza both remained until their deaths. All I am aiming for is to trace further back from William but I am struggling to achieve any success! Again thank you for helping me. With regards, Meredith Moncur
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Hi Jean, what a treasure you are!
I have just read all 23 pages and see that you mention there are a lot of Morices in the Benholm kirkyard. I am looking for James MORICE who married a Bell MACHAR in 1788 and was working as a Wright in Johnshaven at the time of marriage. They had 7 children that I have found so far.
William b 1788
Jean b 1791
Jessy b 1793
Thomas and David b 1795
Mary b 1799
James b 1801
I know that James b 1801 died in Elgin in 1868, he was my gg grandfather. Are any of these other people buried in Benholm? I am having trouble finding parents for James (married to Bell Machar) altho I do have a James Morice who married Agnes Brand who may be who I am looking for.
Any help you can give would be warmly welcomed.
Thank you,
Dallas from Australia.
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Hello Jean,
My Great Grandfather was born "House of Muirton", Benholm, Kincardineshire c1846, all according to his marriage record. Anyway, I have not found that birth record! His name is David DICKSON, the son of James DICKSON and Elisabeth SPALDING, who were married in Benholm, on 25 Jan 1845. Have you come across the Dickson surname before, and would this family be easy enough to find in the records that you have access to?
I would appreciate anything you may know, or have access to.
Kind regards,
Patricia Dickson (New Zealand)
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Hi noticed you had Leighton in your interest I also have Helen Leighton Strachan mother Jean Rennie
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Jean - I misplaced your contact info. can you send again to my email address? thanks. will be in Benholm to visit church and cemetery on saturday the 22nd
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Patricia, had a look at the grave transcriptions and there are no Dickson or Spalding stones, I've not checked the communion records just yet but will get back to you as soon as I can.
Jean
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This is a sad post :(
It seems that one of our grave stones has been stolen!
If anyone has a photo of the stone I am about to describe then please send me a copy, so I can report the theft to the authorities.
The stone a 6ft high polished marble stood to the left of the Kirk as you enter the gates. It was dedicated to the family of Edward Mcbey (Lang Ned) who was the cox of Johnshaven life boat. it listed his family, the last entry being his youngest son Alfred who's surname was spelt McBay, who died in the first world war.
It was last seen approx. 12/13 years ago.
Here's hoping
Jean
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Hi Jean,
I was in the Benholm Kirk two weeks ago checking MCBAY/BEY stones.
I was told by Eileen Townsend (distant cousin) who lives in Johnshaven to go and see this stone,
She came with me to point out where it should be and was astonished to find that it was gone.
She told me she used to visit the Kirk occasionally to have a chat with Edward, she believes the last
visit was about 3/4 years ago and she will make it her duty to look into the missing stone.
Perhaps you could liase with her.
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It was Eileen who pointed the missing stone out to me. I have photos dated 2002 and the stone had gone by then, so we're unsure when it was actually taken.
Jean
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Hi my name is Leon, I see a message looks like October 2010 No 58.
It refers to the Benholm Kirkyard and there is a mention of a William GOVE who died 9 Mar 1875. then it looks like w Margt wamm died 1889.
Firstly is it possible that the wife's name is Elizabeth maiden name was WATT she died 27th June 1889.
William and other children James & David all went to Australia and lived near Sale, Victoria Australia. James was married in 1858 in Sale. William married in Sale in 1863. Daughter Helen was present at her fathers death in 1875 and she was the informant. David was the informant of his mothers death in 1889. He with his wife Janet nee JACKSON travelled to Australia between the Census of 1891 and 1893 when his son John was born in Sale December 1893. He and his brothers James and William all owned farms near Sale. We are not sure of what happened to daughter Elizabeth Law GOVE or Andrew GOVE. They may be the 2 infants the died.
Secondly, Is there a photo of the headstone referred to in your correspondence?
Your assistance will be greatly appreciated. Leon, Sydney Australia.
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Hello Leon,
I'll check that post to the pre 1855 gravestone index, I may possibly have typed it wrong!
And get back to you as soon as possible.
Jean
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Thanks Jean for your prompt reply,
I hope you are able to clarify things for me.
My childhood and youth days were spent in the Sale district, but left there in 1962.
Ann Margaret GOVE was the daughter of John Lawson GOVE and Hilda CAWTHORN. John is the son of David GOVE & Janet nee JACKON. Ann married a Noel FREEMAN. I am trying to put together the history of the GOVE'S for the children of Ann. I am also in contact with the descendants of James GOVE the older brother of David. James GOVE married an English lady in Sale by the name of Ellen WOOLMER. She had a son Julius born in London. He became well known in the Melbourne district as a Horse Exporter to India. Julius born Julius Wolff WOOLMER may or may not have been James' son although Julius took on the name of GOVE when he sailed to Australia. Julius lived with his mum Ellen and James for a number of years on a property known as "Glencoe" near Sale. Sorry to bore you with these details. But sometimes it is interesting to know a little of what became of people after they left their homeland.
Thanks for your assistance.
Leon
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The surname is down as "Wam" in the MI index, but Familysearch has "Elisabeth Watt" as the bride for William's marriage of third December 1830.
Is it possible that the stolen stone mentioned earlier could have been photographed for this site?
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/nescotland/index.html
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Hello Leon,
Yes, it is down in the pre1855 gravestone index as Wamm, I'll get to the kirkyard this week-end and get a photo for you.
Becky, I have already checked with Colin on the site you listed, the stone was not there, when he photographed the stones in the kirkyard.
Jean
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Good Morning Jean,
Elizabeth GOVE died of Gastric Catarrh on the 27th June 1889 at age 79 years. She was the widow of William GOVE and daughter of James WATT and Elizabeth WATT nee LAW. The informant was David GOVE, son who was present. Medical attendant was James Aymer.
William GOVE died of Ulceration of the Stomach aged 66 years on the 9th March 1875 the husband of Elizabeth WATT at Fore Street, Johnshaven. William was a Whitefisher the son of William GOVE a Seaman and Christian GOVE nee MUFFERT. The informant was Helen GOVE daughter of Woodville Parish of St Vigeans who was present at death of her father William. Medical attendant was Frederick Lewins.
Thank you ever-so much for your time.
Kind regards
Leon
Sydney
Australia
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Leon,
We must be related somewhere along the line.
My Mother was Martha Begg Gove (1911-2000)
Her parents were Munro Gove (1872- 1950) & Bridget Watt
Munro's parents were
Andrew Gove (1841-1931) & Martha Begg
Andrew's parents were
Andrew Gove (1810-1902) & Mary Ann Strachan
Andrew's parents were
James Gove ( b 1776) & Isabella Watson
James's parents were
Alexander Gove (b 1752) & Ann Edward
Alexander's Parents were
Thomas Gove (b 1721) & Elizabeth Fife
Thomes's father was another Thomas gove
All from St Cyrus, Johnshaven, Benholm area.
Any of this fit with your tree?
Jim
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Hi Jim,
The Gove and Watt family in Kincardinshire has many sons that have similar names.
For example there are 2 Andrew GOVES both of Johnshaven, Benholm. One born on the 5th of July 1849 the other in Oct 1851. I believe these 2 are cousins, their parents William GOVE and John GOVE being the sons of William GOVE and Christian nee MUFFERT. A number of researchers have recorded the Andrew born in 1851 as the son of William GOVE and Elizabeth WATT; when in fact he is the son of John GOVE and Catherine nee DOUGLAS.
I have seen the names you mentioned but have not looked to see if they are closely connected to the family line I have researched. One of the problems I found in researching the line I have followed is that the children seem to leave home in their early teens or even earlier. Just why this is the case I have not been able to determine. The William Gove and Elizabeth WATT family that I have researched had seven children that I know of. Of these only one remained in Scotland. James, William, Robert and David all migrated to Gippsland, Victoria Australia. Elizabeth Law McEWAN nee GOVE married to James McEWAN a plumber and her brother Andrew GOVE a plumber migrated to the Detroit Wayne Michigan area. Helen KEILLER nee GOVE lived at 19 Market Street, Perth, Perthshire, Scotland.
It is quite possible that there is a link going back perhaps to William GOVE and Christian MUFFERT, but the records get much harder to determine around that era unless one is able to find death and marriage certificates.
If you are able to find a connection then I would be interested in hearing from you. However I have just about concluded my research into the Gove family.
My interest was due to the fact that my grandfathers sister married a John Lawson GOVE, and that I lived in the Sale - Clydebank area as a youth where the Gove men had farms. My uncles worked on these farms when they were young men before world war 2.
If I am able to help you with details I am happy to share.
Kind regards
Leon
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Hi Jean
I am looking for any Morrices who lived in Johnshaven.
I read through previous posts and you mention that there are lots of Morrices buried there.
I have been able to go back as far as James Morrice who married Jean Ballow in 1750. Jean Ballow was born in 1726 and buried in 1795 but I cannot find anything for James as in DOB or DOD.
I found this is an earlier post and this is the Jean Ballow married to my James Morrice. (Jean Ballow 10.1.1795 69 leaving four sons & five das behind her, by h Jas Morice (in) 1796) Does the (in) mean interred?
I have found all the children but would love to keep tracing the family back.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Dallas
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Good Morning Dallas,
I think it means that the stone was erected in in 1796 by her husband, I will check the stone for you to be sure.
Jean
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Thanks Jean,
I look forward to hearing from you,
Dallas
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Jim,
I am your 4th cousin. I know that we are distantly related, but I made a Facebook page for our lineage, as a way for us to all link up and chat. Keep in mind that the page is also for the Byrnes, since I am a descendant of the Byrnes. I realize that you're not, but the Byrnes are still related to you. The page is https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009461150858
Thanks!
Barbara
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Jean,
I am particularly interested in any further information on George Barclay and Isabelle Thomson who were married in April 1743 in Benholm. Both "were of this parish" in the Benholm OPR. I know they later lived in St. Cyrus, but any information on their parentage would be great - this is as far back as I can get with my family from this branch at the moment.
Andy
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Andy,
There's no gravestone unfortunately.
I presume that you have seen the entry for their marriage?
Just done a quick check on family search and there's only 1 entry for George Barclay in Benholm and that was 1695, a bit too early I think for your George, but the Barclay surname crops up a lot in St Cyrus and there are a couple of possibilities for your George, 1711 & 1716
Jean
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Jean,
Thanks - I have seen the marriage entry and the two possible births in those years. I have the family pretty much "nailed down" from the marriage of George Barclay and Isabelle Thomson onwards in 1743 but I couldn't get any further back with any certainty before their marriage. FYI - they have a gravestone at St. Cyrus Nether Churchyard that was then re-used in turn by their son and grandson and confirms the written records.
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Dear Jean,
Is it possible to see any Kirk Session records for Benholm at the Church. I have a Great Grandfather William Falconer born in Oct 1866 to a Margaret Henderson and the father William Falconer was named on the Birth Certificate as farmer. However there are 2 possibles in the Parish at that time. Would there be anything in the Kirk Session records as to an illegitimate birth? Thanks for any help you can give me. Barbara
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Hi JeanP,
I have just come across this thread & wondered if you wouldn't mind having a look for any Hogg surnames please?
Not sure if you need names or other info. to do a look-up for me?
I'm basically looking for any Hogg family in Kincardineshire to try & link them up?
If it's not possible without specifics, I will understand.
One I'm interested in (no idea where buried), James Hogg b 1812 Garvock, d bet. 1843 - 1851 in Kincardine.
Wife's name was Ann Robinson (not buried there) but as it was pre statutory records I have been unable to locate a DC.
Parents of James Hogg were John Hogg & Elizabeth Rae.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Annie
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Sorry Annie, checked the gravestone index and the burial plan and there are no marked Hogg or Robinson burials.
Jean :(
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Hi Naughty Lizzie!
Unfortunately I haven't managed to get the Kirk Session records yet - but I'm still trying! The original records are in Edinburgh, but they have been digitised, so could be made available to the Kirk if the powers that be would allow it.
On the Communion Roll for 1890-1896 William Falconer - Salmon Fisher and his wife took Communion for the first time in 1890 up to 1894.
Benholm Kirk has a facebook page and I am putting the Gravestone transcriptions on there, so keep checking our page.
Jean
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Dear Jean, Thank you so much for your speedy answer ! Yes that may well be my Great Grandfather and his wife Maggie Cunningham who were married in Benholm in 1889. My Grandmother Mary Falconer was the last of their children to be born in Benholm in 1905 before they moved to Leven in Fife. I am going to be in Scotland in August and am planning a visit as I have only been once before. Thanks again.
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Sorry Annie, checked the gravestone index and the burial plan and there are no marked Hogg or Robinson burials.
Jean :(
Hi Jean,
Thanks for your trouble.
James Hogg's wife was buried in England as she moved back there after James' death.
Annie
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Oh goodness, I have A LOT of family history in Benholm on both my maternal and paternal sides. :o
I'll start with a couple of requests, although I will probably have so much more over the coming weeks.
I have a Sarah Fettes or Fettus who was born in Bervie about 1781. She married a James Sheret on 29th May 1802 in Benholm. They had a few children; Alexander, James (direct ancestor), Jean, Sarah, Helen, Annabell and Susan. Note that their name may be spelled 'Sherret'.
Looking for any information on Sarah Fettes, her death in particular, as I have an unconfirmed date of death that I can't verify from a third party site. I believe she may have died due to complications with childbirth after the birth of Susan Sherret/Sheret on 24th May 1821. Any information regarding her would be appreciated. Or the family in general.
I also have a large interest in the names; Beattie, Shields and MacArthur. Beatties seem concentrated around Brawleymuir. There are a couple of illigitimiate births that I'd like to know about, in particular regarding a mother called Jemima MacArthur born about 1849. She later married a Jonathan Beattie. There is a thread regarding these Beatties and others here; http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=398965.0
Thank you so much in advance. I'd love if there were some records out there about these people.
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Good Morning Liviani,
There are no gravestones for Fettes/fettus, macarthur or shields.
I have already put the Beattie gravestones on our facebook page and I will put the Sherret on now, so go have a look a little later and I should have done it.
Jean
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Good Morning Liviani,
There are no gravestones for Fettes/fettus, macarthur or shields.
I have already put the Beattie gravestones on our facebook page and I will put the Sherret on now, so go have a look a little later and I should have done it.
Jean
Hi Jean,
Thank you for the fast reply. Do you have a link or name of the Facebook page? Sorry I'm quite new here and unfamiliar with things.
Interestingly I found some records on Google regarding a James Sherret who is an ancestor of mine, he was actually a Heritor and discussed the building of the new church. The meeting was held on the 11th September 1832. James was a merchant. Is there anything in the Kirk Session records about James?
Or anything in the Kirk Session records perhaps regarding Jemima MacArthur/McArthur and her 2 illegitimate births in 1870 and 1871? David and Jonathan were the names of her babies. Not sure if the Kirk Session still called parents of illegitimate babies in by this point in history in Benholm?
Jill
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Good Morning Liviani,
Just search Benholm Kirk in facebook.
Sorry I don't have the Kirk Session records yet.
Jean
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Good Morning Liviani,
Just search Benholm Kirk in facebook.
Sorry I don't have the Kirk Session records yet.
Jean
Hi Jean,
Thank you for responding. I've seen the facebook page and it's useful for me. Thank you so much.
No worries about the Kirk Session records. I will keep my eyes on this thread though so that if you do eventually come into contact with them I'll come back to it.
Thank you so much for the information you have.
Jill
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You're welcome Liviani!
Fingers crossed I may get access to the Kirk Session Records in the future.
Jean
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Hello Jean,
I was born in Brechin, and my 3rd great-grandfather is Robert Duthie, 1769 - 1845 (via Sheret and Glen). I think that he and his wife were buried at Benholm Kirkyard. I wonder if their grave is one you've come across, or perhaps of his father and mother? Any information would be gladly received.
Best wishes,
Gordon Stewart
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Hello Jean,
I was born in Brechin, and my 3rd great-grandfather is Robert Duthie, 1769 - 1845 (via Sheret and Glen). I think that he and his wife were buried at Benholm Kirkyard. I wonder if their grave is one you've come across, or perhaps of his father and mother? Any information would be gladly received.
Best wishes,
Gordon Stewart
Hi Gordon,
Welcome to Rootschat.
I noticed your reference to the name Sheret. The Sherets of Kincardineshire feature very heavily in my tree all the way down to my grandmother (deceased).
My 2x great grand uncle is a James John Sheret b.1843 Fordoun, d.1901 Fetteresso. He married a Margaret Duthie b.1848 Marykirk, marriage was in 1868 in Marykirk. Is this connection to the Sherets you mention?
Jill
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Hello Jill. Thanks for your welcome and for getting in touch.
So very many Sherets and Duthies, and such a small selection of names they were prepared to call their children!
The Margaret Duthie in my line was born 10 Nov 1848 at South Balmakelly, Marykirk, and died 7 May 1925 at Nether Baulk, Fetteresso. Her husband was John Sheret, who was born 27 Jul 1843 in Fordoun (as per 259/40 328 of Fordoun registers), and died 26 Sep 1901 at Nether Baulk, Fetteresso. They were married 2 Dec 1868 at the Mill of Luther, Marykirk (as per 265/13 of Marykirk Registers).
One of their children, Agnes Craig Sheret is my maternal grandmother and was born 20 Apr 1887, at Balmaleedie Farm House in Marykirk, and died 23 Sept 1942 at 30 Damacre Road, Brechin, and was married to William Martin Glen.
I do hope that these details are helpful!
Gordon
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Hello Jill. Thanks for your welcome and for getting in touch.
So very many Sherets and Duthies, and such a small selection of names they were prepared to call their children!
The Margaret Duthie in my line was born 10 Nov 1848 at South Balmakelly, Marykirk, and died 7 May 1925 at Nether Baulk, Fetteresso. Her husband was John Sheret, who was born 27 Jul 1843 in Fordoun (as per 259/40 328 of Fordoun registers), and died 26 Sep 1901 at Nether Baulk, Fetteresso. They were married 2 Dec 1868 at the Mill of Luther, Marykirk (as per 265/13 of Marykirk Registers).
One of their children, Agnes Craig Sheret is my maternal grandmother and was born 20 Apr 1887, at Balmaleedie Farm House in Marykirk, and died 23 Sept 1942 at 30 Damacre Road, Brechin, and was married to William Martin Glen.
I do hope that these details are helpful!
Gordon
Hi Gordon,
It appears that I made an error with the the name of the 'James' Sheret in my last post. It is in fact John Sheret b.1843 Fordoun who married Margaret Duthie. So we have common ancestors in John's parents; James Sheret b.1803 and Mary Ann Peat b.1805. I have all of the same details for John Sheret and Margaret Duthie as you do so we have the same couple. ;D
For some reason I had typed James instead of John despite him being down as John in my tree. ::)
So far I only have three children down for John and Margaret - William Duthie Sheret, Mary Sheret and Joan Sheret. I notice I have your ancestor Agnes Craig Sheret missing from my tree and possible other siblings. Although I confess I hadn't done too much research into this branch.
I am descended through John's brother James.
James Sheret is my 2x great-grandfather. James Sheret was born 1st March 1837 in Edzell. He married an Isabella Hosie on he 26th June 1858 in Fordoun and died at Nether Auquhallie, Rickarton, Fetteresso in 1906. Their son George Hosie Sheret (1870-1949) is my great-grandfather.
So we are related. ;D
Jill
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Good to hear that, Jill!
Margaret Duthie and John Sheret had several children: William Duthie 1869-1948, Mary 1870-1871, Margaret 1872-1934, Agnes Craig 1877-1942, Ellen Elizabeth 1879-1900, Edward 1881-1943, Joan 1883-1953, James 1886-1915, and Isabella 1886-1976. The last of these, Isabella, emigrated to Canada.
Best wishes,
Gordon
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Good to hear that, Jill!
Margaret Duthie and John Sheret had several children: William Duthie 1869-1948, Mary 1870-1871, Margaret 1872-1934, Agnes Craig 1877-1942, Ellen Elizabeth 1879-1900, Edward 1881-1943, Joan 1883-1953, James 1886-1915, and Isabella 1886-1976. The last of these, Isabella, emigrated to Canada.
Best wishes,
Gordon
Wonderful, thank you so much for this info Gordon.
Do let me know if there is anything you'd like to know from what I have in my tree via PM. Would be more than happy to share.
Jill.
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Morning Gstewart
Their is a gravestone for you ancestors please see our facebook page for the transcription. Both Duthie and Sheret are on there.
Jean
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Hello Jean,
My Great Grandfather was born "House of Muirton", Benholm, Kincardineshire c1846, all according to his marriage record. Anyway, I have not found that birth record! His name is David DICKSON, the son of James DICKSON and Elisabeth SPALDING, who were married in Benholm, on 25 Jan 1845. Have you come across the Dickson surname before, and would this family be easy enough to find in the records that you have access to?
I would appreciate anything you may know, or have access to.
Kind regards,
Patricia Dickson (New Zealand)
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hi Jean My Cummine ancestors moved from Angus to Benholm and I have found 3 deaths I was wondering if there was a headstone for them their names and dates are
Jean Cummine nee Myles b1784 d 1860 at Back Street Benholm
Robert Myles Cummine b 1812 d 1862
David Cummine b1809 d 1875
Thank you Wendy
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Hello Patricia,
There's no Dickson or Spalding burials in Benholm I'm afraid.
Jean
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Hello Wendy,
There are no Cummine or Myles burials in Benholm.
On the kirkyard plan however, there are 2 Cumming burials marked, unfortunately 1 is a 17c flat stone and no inscription remains, the other is a more modern stone and was inscribed/provided by D Lamb , but the inscription no longer remains.
Back Street is in Johnshaven, but burials were still being made in Benholm at the dates you provided.
Perhaps they were buried in Inverbervie?
Jean
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Thank you for looking Jean as far as I know there were no descendants of the Cummine's in Benholm Wendy
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Hi Jean, Thanks for that, but I am actually after a Parish Birth or Baptism Record if at all possible? My ggrandfather David DICKSON was born at "House of Muirton", in 1846 according to all the other records that I have, however I have never been able to locate mention of this record online. (nothing on Scotlandspeople or the web), and unfortunately I live too far away to view Parish Records. In the 1841 Census, Davids father James DICKSON was living in Muirton. In 1845 James DICKSON married Elisabeth SPALDING, in Muirton. And their sons James and David were both born in Muirton (1842 and 1846). By the 1851 census, my DICKSON's were farming at "Mains of Dunnottar". My ggrandfather David DICKSON died in New Zealand 1899 aged 53 years. The only missing information i have and that I would dearly love, is some record of his birth. David DICKSON, born 1846, House of Muirton. I would really appreciate any assistance. Kindest regards, Patricia Dickson (New Zealand)
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Morning Patricia,
I only have the same BMD records as you get on family search ie a copy of the parish births, but I have the written copy as you get on SP. I don't have a copy of the Kirk Session records, from which the birth records were extracted. I will have a look in case this birth has been missed on these sites - Muirton is on the edge of Benholm parish perhaps they went to a different church St Cyrus would be the next village down the coast or Garvock the next in land.
Jean
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Patricia,
I've had a look and it seems that it would have been quite easy for it to have been missed. The entries seem to have been made retrospectively, either by going round the parish and doing a sort of birth census or from the Kirk Session records as I was led to believe, if you pm me with your email address I'll send you a typical page for the latter years, so you can see what I mean.
Jean
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Good morning Jean,
I have just started looking into my family history when i saw your post from Feb 2008 post #55. Isabella Stephen, Catherine and Helen/Ellen Crichton are part of my family tree.
I was wondering if you had a photo of the headstone from 2008 ish? I was in that area yesterday and the headstone is now missing half of the inscription.
Thank you
Ellie
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Good Morning Ellie,
I'll have to dig out my files and have a look - if i don't get back to you. Don't hesitate to give me a reminder, I'm so busy at work these days there's not enough hours in the day. There is a guy, who took photos of all the stones, but I can't remember his name, there might be a link on here somewhere but I might find it when I start looking.
Jean
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Thank you very much Jean.
Ellie
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http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/nescotland/
Try this Ellie
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[I have some information in Young's from Johnshaven if you tell me what you are wanting to know I may be able to help
quote author=Jim Murray
link=topic=505765.msg515615#msg515615 date=1136382043]
Thanks for the kind offer Jean.
The Youngs in my direct line are:
Mary Ann McFarlane Nee Young d. 1952
Thomas Jamieson Young d. 1903
Archibald Young d. 1861
Archibald Young d. after 1841
Yours
Jim Murray
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Jean,
thank you for theat I look forward to see if they have a gravestone in the churchyard.
rgds
Drew Davidson
My husband has a lot if Douglas from Johnshaven in his ancestry. There is a William Douglas here in Johnshaven who was a bakerand descendants of the. Douglas family lived in Johnshaven till at? Least the 1960 s the last one I can think if was Gladys Douglas. My husband's grandfathe!r was raised by the Douglas family and to this day my husband and several others have Douglas in their name. Some of the family went to live in Gourdon.
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[Welch Cottage and Hay Cottage were built by that family. The houses still have that name.
quote author=JEANP link=topic=505765.msg2333982#msg2333982 date=1232908841]
Hi Lynda,
Pre 1855 Gravestone index has:
Alex Reid shipmaster lost at sea near the Isle of Bornholm 13.11.1872 aged 44 -- wife ---(w)elch died --------- their son George d Montrose 21.2.1900 45 (west side) s Douglas d saffi Morocco 11.1.1901 37, da Isabella Anderson d Montrose 13.11.1904 38, da Annie Largie d Johnshaven 20.4.1906 46, s David d Brentford Essex 17.2.1930 63, Susan Jane d Johnshaven 22.6.1934 78 (widow of Geo Reid)
Also in the notes:
Testaments: Benholm was in the St Andrews Commissariot and the following were noticed in that index - Wm Welsh at Burnhead of Benholm, 1733
and I have transcribed this:
IN MEMORY OF
ROBERT GREIG WELCH WHO DIED JUNE 30 1893
SON OF DAVID WELCH AND ANN HAY WELCH, JOHNSHAVEN
ALSO OF HIS SONS DAVID 1915 & JAMES DOUGLAS 1916
If any of these are connected let me know and I'll get you a photo.
Jean :)
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Hello, i'm searching for Strachan/napier/Smith families who farmed around Benholm for much of the 1800's. so there may be burials in the kirkyard.
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Could you be a bit more specific please? Names/dates/farms would be useful to identify the people you are looking for.
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James Napier of Greenleys and Haremuir farms, Benholm, 1863. Although he and wife janet Strachan are buried in kinneff (they also had Harbourshields Kinneff) I am wondering about a generation before so William Napier? or Ann Napier? (b 1762 Chapel of Barras but again family connections may have taken her to Benholm) I am also looking for the burial of Elizabeth Strachan b 1800 married to (Alexander) John Smith who lived in Moathill, Benholm, in 1863. also an Isobel Artbuthnot/t born 1744 Benholm married James Strachan and though they lived at West Mathers farm, St Cyrus, may have had family in Benholm and therefore buried there. I do not know their deaths. I would estimate from 1785 to the early 1800's. thank you.
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From the published pre-1855 MIs in Benholm Kirkyard: 1850. John Smith, Gourdon, 4.1855, by his family (their mo Jane Brown 30.12.1844 79, bro Alex d inf. John Smith f[arme]r Moathill 14.5.1870 70, wid Elizabeth Strachan d Moathill 17.1.1872 71.
Nothing on any of the others.
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marvellous - thanks you so much for your help.
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If you don't already have it, I strongly recommend getting the death certificate of John Smith who died in 1855. 1855 certificates contain a lot of information that was not collected in any other year, so they're a bit of a gold mine for family history.
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of course! thank you.
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Hi Jean,
I wondered if you could help me. I am the archivist at Benholm & Johnshaven Heritage Hub and I am busy digitising archives and carrying out family tree research for several people. I wondered if you had access to a list of those buried in the cemetery at Benholm Church - I can recall seeing somewhere that there was such a list but cannot find it again. I intend to visit the Church to see what records are still heard there in the summer holidays and hopefully I might be able to meet up with you.
Kind regards,
Susan Madden
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Hello Jean,
I wonder if you can help me . Would you have any Welsh's buried in Benholm. A few of them worked there and my granpa was born there.
Thank you in advance.
Lynda