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I am looking for some missing children. The information that I have is as follows: Joseph Glanfield Stow married Mary Ann Garnham 1861. Their first child Joseph Glanfield (Jnr) was born 1863 Hadleigh Hamlet. Their second child Mary Kate was born 1865 Hadleigh Hamlet. Then there is a gap of 14 years before the birth of the next child Alice Lizzie Valentine in 1879 Hadleigh Hamlet and a last child Sarah Bessie born 1883 Hadleigh.
Would someone be able to look up the records for Hadleigh Hamlet and Hadleigh to see if there are children born to Joseph and Mary Ann between the years 1866-1878.
All assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Leonie
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Hadleigh Hamlet does not have its own records as it is not a parish and only a hamlet. There is no church there. In my experience the records of Hadleigh Hamlet inhabitants can be found in the parish records of Hadleigh, Polstead & particularly Boxford.
Kevin
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As Kevin has pointed out, Hadleigh Hamlet is a hamlet within the parish of Boxford.
You may be interested to know that in my White's of 1844 Henry Glandfield Stow is listed under residents as farmer and (registrar). As a hamlet only nine residents are listed, so he obviously had a position within the community.
On checking my 1855 copy, he is again listed with same occupation/s.
Pat ...
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Hello Leonie
1881C Joseph Glanfield STOW & wife Mary Ann are living at Green Farm, Hadleigh with Alice Lizzie Valentine daug b c1879 Hadleigh Hamlet.
1891C Joseph & Mary are in Bridge Street, Hadleigh with daughters
Alice EV 1879 Hadleigh & Sarah BS 1883 Hadleigh.
Joseph gives his dob as c1831 & pob as Long Melford.Mary Ann c1841 - Earl Stonham.
There was certainly a birth Joseph Glanfield STOW registered in JunQ1863 Cosford Ref: 4a/478 also a birth Mary Kate STOW SepQ 1865 Ref: 4a/426 also Cosford.
1871C Shows a Joseph Glanfield STOW c1799 & Sarah White STOW c 1797 living in Hadleigh Hamlet.
K
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Thanks all for your input.
What I am really after are the missing children presumably born between 1866-1878 inclusive, to Joseph Glanfield Stow and Mary Ann Garnham, in the parish of Hadleigh or Boxford.
My information indicates that Joseph and Mary Ann remained married and lived to an old age.
I'm sure, there would be children during the above years, in addition to the 2 early and 2 later births already mentioned.
Thanks,
Leonie
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If there were more children you would expect them to appear with Joseph and Mary Ann in the 1871 and 1881 censuses (except for Sarah b 1883)? K found them with just Alice in 1881. Maybe they lost some children in those intervening years ...
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Well Leonie eventually I have found your elusive family on the 1871C - my browser has them recorded as Joseph Greenfield STOUR 1831 living at Cox Hill, Hadleigh Hamlet. Mary Ann wife 1841 & Mary Kate daug 1866 plus 2 servants. The writing on the actual return is poor so I am not surprised it has been misinterpretted. No sign of a son Joseph though.
In 1841/1851/1861 Joseph is living with his parents Joseph & Sarah in Wicket St Green, Hadleigh. He appears to have a brother Samuel 1833 & a sister Elizabeth 1829.
1871 Seems to indicate that his brother Samuel has married a Susannah and are living at Codenham Hall, Boxford - they don't appear to have a Joseph 1863 either! They do have a Frederick 1867 & an Eva Ellen 1869.
I hope this helps a little more
K
ps. Looks like Samuel & Susannah were married in 1864 (FreeBMD) so Joseph 1863 is probably not their son. I wonder if Joseph G jnr 1863 was sent away to school? The family seemed fairly affluent so it might account for why he is not at home on the 1871C. He certainly appears on subsequent census returns as I am sure you know.
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As I live within the Boxford benefice, just a couple of notes regarding locations found in the census by the intrepid Keziah2 (well done :D
Wicker Street Green
is a hamlet between the parishes of Boxford and Kersey, and actually within the parish of Kersey. So possibly another village to add to the list for searches.
Codenham (or Coddenham) Hall is mentioned in White's 1844 as an ancient mansion formerly the seat of the Brands and the Bennets.
I have checked in 'Suffolk Houses' and although it is mentioned only to give the location, I have not been able to find it on an ordnance survey map - and both our Boxford books are missing! Can't find them anywhere.
It is not listed in houses that have fallen down/demolished/burned, so I presume it must be in Boxford somewhere ::)
If you did want to know more, I do have a Local History Recorder in the village should you wish to contact him.
Cox Hill is closed at the moment :o
As the main road through our village is closed at the moment for road works, I have been driving along our lane and through to Boxford to pick up the main road for meetings in Ipswich. When I returned home later in the day, Cox Hill was also closed due to road works (I think at the moment half of south Suffolk is having road repairs).
Pat ...
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Thank you everyone for all the interesting information.
I am planning a trip to UK in 2013, and will be spending a lot of time in and around Hadleigh, Boxford etc and hope to see some of these old buildings.
Many thanks,
Leonie
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Would you be interested in Blackwell Stow of Hadleigh Suffolk.
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I am trying to trace back my family history and have come up against an ancient brick wall. Instead of working my way up the tree I am working down to try and find someone who seems to have evaporated! I am looking for an Arthur Murrells Stow (born c. 1849) who I can find birth details for but then doesn't appear in any of the census until the 1881 census where he is head of a family in Ipswich. I trawled through all the census and now have piles of 1851 print outs of Stows that all seem to have come from around Hadleigh. The only other Suffolk Stows in this census are in Sudbury. I am guessing that Arthur was somehow connected to these Hadleigh Stows but I now lost under a mountain of Josephs, Harriets, Hannahs and Samuels. Any help would be very much appreciated. If you have found my allusive Arthur Murrells Stow I would be very appreciative. :)
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Have found Arthur Murrells Stow in several census born in Polstead.
I checked Polstead in the 1855 White's and there is a James Stow, schoolmaster born in Glemsford, A M Stow appears to be his son. Here are details from 1851 Census.
Polstead, Suffolk 1851
James Stow head of household age 45 schoolmaster born Glemsford, Suffolk
Ann Stow, his wife age 46 born Polstead
Children
Elizabeth 23
Jane 21
James 19
Alfred 13
Sarah A 10
Charles A 9
Henry 6
Arthur 2 years
All children born Polstead.
SM
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1861 Polstead, Suffolk
James Stow age 55 head of household Schoolmaster born Glemsford
Ann his wife age 56 Laundress
Alfred 23 Currier
Sarah A 20 Dressmaker
Charles A 19 Groom
Henry 16 Shoemaker
Arthur M 12 Scholar
Agnes V ? Mann, grand-daughter age 3 born Nayland
SM
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1871 census
Handford Road, St Matthew Parish, Ipswich
Arthur M Stow age 22 head of household, a boot and shoe maker born Polstead
Emma Stow his wife age 23 born Ipswich
Frederick their son age 2 months also born Ipswich
SM
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You are amazing! Thank you so much. I can see that James Stow married Ann in Polstead in 1824 (when he was 18) - I don't suppose you know her maiden name or who his parents were? I am using findmypast.co.uk to locate people but am only doing the free 14 day trial and I don't get access to parish marriage records. I was wondering whether his parents' names were on it.
Thank you so so much for your help so far.
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Hi James Stow married Ann Bugg in Polstead 1824 on the 18th August. Hope this helps. Barbara
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Hi lstow1983,
Several trees on Ancestry.co.uk are showing James Stow as being born 1806 in Glemsford, Suffolk the s/o Abraham Stow (1772-1838) & Sarah ??(1783-1870) - No sources are shown apart from censuses.
They are also saying that Ann or Hannah Bugg born 1797 in Polstead d/o John Bugg(1769-1840) & Rachel (nee Reed) (1772-1853)
Abraham Stow bapt. 3-5-1772 Polstead s/o Francis (4-12-1739-) & Mary
Hope this may help.
James Stow buried 17-6-1887 St.Mary, Polstead.
Alan
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Hi istow,
The IGI have Hannah Bugg's birth & baptism listed see here;
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JM1S-T3J
Alan
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Thank you all for your help. Where are you looking to find this information? I am a total newbie to all this an have been relying on findmypast.co.uk - are there other websites which allow me to search for people? I am now looking back to the 1700s for several branches, are there censuses that go that far back or do I now need to rely on other forms of data?
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I am now looking for James Stow's parents. I have that he was born around 1805 in Glemsford, Suffolk but I cannot find any record of his birth or baptism. Please help x