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Please can any one find this man's baptism record? His parents were John Hutson & Phoebe Coxford who married in Docking on 17 Jan 1778. (FreeReg)
He had 5 siblings - Priscilla bap. 20 Aug 1780, John bap. 10 Mar 1782, Ann bap. 19 Nov 1786, Mary bap. 5 Oct 1788, and Frances bap. 26 Jul 1795. (All in Docking)(FreeReg) His d.o.b. fits well between the last two.
The only sources I have for him are the Censuses from 1841 - 1871, his marriage in 1815, his gravestone in Sedgeford, and the E&W Free BMD Index. He died in 1878. I would like to have confirmation of his birth family, as the 1841 is after he left home.
Hutson became Hudson later. Edmund can also be Edmond.
Thanks, Eleanor
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Hi
You can search the Norfolk parish registers 1538-1900 on the IGI Beta site
https://beta.familysearch.org/
Under "Browse by Location" select Europe then United Kingdom from the Left hand menu
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Hi
You can search the Norfolk parish registers 1538-1900 on the IGI Beta site
https://beta.familysearch.org/
Under "Browse by Location" select Europe then United Kingdom from the Left hand menu
Unfortunately, the baptism register for Docking for the relevant period is not available at the above link.
However, the Archdeacon's Transcripts for the relevant period are available at the following link although I can't see a baptism for Edmund:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysearch.org/records/waypoint/6894284&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%253D
You should bear in mind that in 1783 the British government passed a stamp duty act to help pay for the American War of Independence. Tax of 3d was to be paid on every entry made in a parish register. The incumbent was empowered to collect this tax and entitled to keep a small proportion for his trouble. Paupers were exempt from paying the tax. The tax was deeply unpopular and many children in the late 1780s and early 1790s of families who were not wealthy or paupers were not baptised as a result of this legislation. The legislation was not repealed until 1794. As a result it is possible that Edmund was not baptised and this legislation may explain your gap in baptisms between 1788 and 1795 (ie Edmund may have had more than 5 siblings). My own family tree has numerous gaps in baptisms for this period as a result of this legislation.
Nigel
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Thankyou, CaroleW & NigelP. I had not explored the new Familysearch Beta site - and am spending many happy hours looking for my Norfolk ancestors. You are right, Edmund does not seem to appear in any of the Sedgeford records, but the tax factor probably explains this.
I hope the Familysearch Beta site will soon include other English counties as well as Norfolk, Cheshire Yorkshire & Durham - it is marvellous to be able to see the actual entries. For my research almost everything has to be done on the internet, CDs etc as I live in Scotland.
The RootsChat site has been great for lookups and advice.
Thanks again, Eleanor
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Please can any one find this man's baptism record? His parents were John Hutson & Phoebe Coxford who married in Docking on 17 Jan 1778. (FreeReg)
He had 5 siblings - Priscilla bap. 20 Aug 1780, John bap. 10 Mar 1782, Ann bap. 19 Nov 1786, Mary bap. 5 Oct 1788, and Frances bap. 26 Jul 1795. (All in Docking)(FreeReg) His d.o.b. fits well between the last two.
The only sources I have for him are the Censuses from 1841 - 1871, his marriage in 1815, his gravestone in Sedgeford, and the E&W Free BMD Index. He died in 1878. I would like to have confirmation of his birth family, as the 1841 is after he left home.
Hutson became Hudson later. Edmund can also be Edmond.
Thanks, Eleanor
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Hi Eleanor,
I read your link to this excellent site & joined-up, using my "usual" call-sign, as I'm known as 'Hornchurch' (~ Essex ~) on other discussion forums which don't involve geneaology !
Whilst I don't have Edmund's 'official' baptism record to hand, I "do" know the date as it's written down somewhere in a ream of documents that span over five folders.....it's finding it ! LOL
I did recieve your last E-mail, in which you said....
" I was a bit concerned that we have no record of Edmond's baptism as there is no certainty that he is part of John & Phoebe's family "
Well, I can confirm that he most certainly is......
I've yet to send you a photograph of the actual handwritten entry of the "Wedding Banns" on page.9 ~ taken from St.Mary's Church Docking on 27th June 1815 ~ the day that Edmund Hudson married Charlotte Sparham, the Postmaster's daughter from Bircham.
Worth noting that Priscilla ~ (Edmund's older Sister) attended the wedding ceremony itself & left her mark..... "in the prescence of".......underneath the section on Page.9 which says "This Marriage was solemnized between us"
Your baptism dates for the other children tally-up with mine & whilst I've been typing this, I've found a document which mentions 'other' of John & Phoebe's children (not in your post)
Ken** has it down as EIGHT siblings, not five !
Priscilla ~ John ~ Ann ~ Mary ~ James ~ Elizabeth ~ Edmund (my 5 x Gt.Grandfather) & youngest daughter Francis (bapt' date unknown).
Suprise suprise, whilst typing this I've found Ken's** entry for Edmund Hudson's baptism date !
It's given as 18th November 1792
I have seen the actual transcripted archive records at Norwich ~(on microfische/microfilm) for both Edmund & Priscilla's baptism dates (in the original 1780's & 1790's handwriting), as I wanted to confirm & corrobarate this research independantly myself.
IIRC the November 1792 date is bang on, although at present, I cannot find my "hurriedly scribed notes" that I scrawled out whilst sitting inside the Norwich Records Office itself, with the microfische-cards & microfilm (sans monitor) showing the 1790's handwriting ~ glowing-away in front of me !!!!!!!!
Our local head (Chief) Librarian (Helena) actually handled the crumbling handwritten entries for this part of Docking & Sedgeford & also transcribed them...
(the older date entries, she told me, were from Latin !)
This was done at Docking ~ prior to the transition to the N.R.O.
They were of course entered, logged & recorded in a modern document that was (circa 2004/2005) available (at cost) from the Dersingham Library...
although whether Helena is still there & if these written transcripts are still available for purchase or not, I don't know.
What I DO know, is that her dates are/were 100% accurate for my family, as I cross-referenced them with the documents I already have.... & that they actually matched the 1790's handwritten microfische/microfilm "official" dates held by the Norwich Birth/Deaths/Records office at the 'Forum' building (2nd floor) in Norwich itself.
Phew,
Here's hoping my next posts will be considerably shorter ! 8)
Edmund's 5 x Gt.Grandson........Kevin H.
(otherwise known as 'Hornchurch')
p.s, **Ken is my Dad's elder (sadly now deceased) Brother.
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Moderators......can you PLEASE delete 'this' Post # 5
ACCIDENTAL DUPLICATE POST;
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Thanks to all - I now have more on Edmond. :) :) :)
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Hi
I am looking at my family history relating to Hudson, Binks, Sparham, Softley and Bone in the Sedgeford area of Norfolk and came across chat relating to edmund Hudson and Charlotte Sparham, who are my great,great, great grandparents. The chats were between Eleanor and Hornchurch. I am wondering if they have any history regarding my ancestors from that era and earlier.? I have only their names but nothing from earlier
Maria (daughter of edmund and charlotte ) is my connection. Maria married Thomas Binks from Sedgeford and their daughter Lily Louisa was my great grandmother and she married William Bone whose mother was Sarah Billing. so if anyone has any info from the Billing. Binks,Bone side that would be interesting too.
Look forward to hearing from distant relations
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Hi
I am looking at my family history relating to Hudson, Binks, Sparham, Softley and Bone in the Sedgeford area of Norfolk
....and came across chat relating to Edmund Hudson and Charlotte Sparham, who are my great,great, great grandparents. The chats were between Eleanor and Hornchurch.
I am wondering if they have any history regarding my ancestors from that era and earlier.?
I have only their names but nothing from earlier
Maria (daughter of Edmund and Charlotte ) is my connection.
Maria married Thomas Binks from Sedgeford and their daughter Lily Louisa was my great grandmother and she married William Bone whose mother was Sarah Billing.
Look forward to hearing from distant relations
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Hi Loopy, it seems you're "in luck", as I've just stumbled back in, after a mere 8 year absence (laughs).
Clearly we ARE related, as Edmund & Charlotte are my 4 x Gt.Grandparents.
I know about Maria, in fact... (don't pass-out with excitement on this one), but I have a picture of her (Yup !).
In fact, the picture is of Maria, her husband Mr.Binks & approx' 9 of their 13 kids.
Yeah, mad by modern standards isn't it ?
Thirteen kids no-less, BUT, I know for sure that two of them died fairly early - (IIRC x 9 in the photo')
The picture is "torn, ripped & somewhat defaced" (my words), but that's just how I received it.
Also, I don't have immediate access to it just now, simply as it's on a USB stick & I have a gazillion of those !
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Please DO bear in mind I'm about to type this entirely from memory, tho' my memory "is" good.
Maria was one of FOUR kids & was born in 1824 - (whilst Edmund Jnr was born in 1819)
Richard was born around 1826-1827, I'll check his headstone another time for you.
Sadly, he died around the age of 22, from 'consumption of the lungs' (most likely, Tuberculosis, tho' not confirmed)
His (lone) Gravestone, lies at a 45-degree angle to Edmund & Charlotte's, within Sedgeford Church
Sadly, Edmund & Charlotte's headstone is now pretty-much indecipherable, but I know EXACTLY where it is.
Ken, Ivan & myself photographed it back in March 2005 when it was still just/barely legible, but clear enough.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7883/47520664501_784cbe7a94_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fpePXK)EdmundHSnrGrave300dpi (https://flic.kr/p/2fpePXK) by Hornchurch_Aerodrome (https://www.flickr.com/photos/77325174@N05/), on Flickr
Please note ; ALL documents refer & say EDMUND ; Yet the headstone scribe used an 'O' instead.
Phoebe Coxford is MY (& your), Gt Grandmother & is the actual Mother of Edmund Snr (b.1792)
Phoebe Coxford is my 5 x Gt.Grandmother, so, I believe you are (may), be one generation above me.
When you made your previous post, I was in hospital (& NHS care thereafter), after an M/cycle accident, so I woulda missed your post anyhow.
Our family line runs from Phoebe Coxford, born in 1753, in Docking, Norfolk = A neighbouring village to Sedgeford.
I had FIVE packed full folders of my immediate bloodline genealogy handed to me by Ken (now sadly deceased), who simply HAS to take the lion's share of credit for the research, although I myself HAVE personally corrected quite a few number of errors by accurate (& time consuming), sleuthing & research of my own, as I'm a stickler for accuracy & a jaded cynic by nature (laughs profusely again).
That ALL stems from my passionate love of military research & study of half-century plus.
I've both seen the original (crumbling) birth entry book for Docking (1790's), plus have spent HOURS at the P.R.O in Norwich (at "The Forum"), studying ALL the relevant "microfische" & original written transcripts that relate to both Phoebe's, Pricilla (important), plus the other kids births & christenings/dedications that took place from 1753-1819.
Our line** goes London/Essex > Hunstanton > Heacham > Sedgeford > Docking > Burnhams
( ** from "New to Old", chronological wise ).
Hope that helps ?
Chime up "if" ya maybe wanna know any more ?
"Hornchurch" - (April 2019)
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Hi
I am looking at my family history relating to Hudson, Binks, Sparham,
in the Sedgeford area of Norfolk and came across chat
relating to Edmund Hudson and Charlotte Sparham,
who are my great,great, great grandparents.
The chats were between Eleanor and Hornchurch.
I am wondering if they have any history regarding my ancestors from that era and earlier.?
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Hi Loops,
Further to your pleasant P.M to me yesterday, I'm helping your request for location(s).
The Church & location you ARE looking for is this = St Mary Virgin Sedgeford, Norfolk.
You'll find it immediately to the South of the long B.1454, which runs from Heacham to Sculthorpe
As you leave Heacham (heading Eastwards), along the B.1454, Sedgeford is THE next village you'll reach.
Here is exactly what the Church looks like, once you've entered the main gate....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7912/40580081453_2ac63f4d8f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24PVwqM)St.Mary Virgin Church, Sedgeford (https://flic.kr/p/24PVwqM) by Horn Church (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158923776@N07/), on Flickr
See where those folks are walking ? = You need to be on the exact opposite side of the Church.
Folks here, are walking on the North/Northern side (entrance)
Edmund & Charlotte's Gravestone (& Richard's), is on the exact other side of the Church (South side)
To illustrate it from an aerial-view, I've used 'Google-Maps' & used satellitte-terrain.
First-off, St.Mary's the Virgin Church, Sedgeford, as seen from an aerial view, overall.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7899/47493350032_c2220242d3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fmPQjC)Sedgeford, General Overview (https://flic.kr/p/2fmPQjC) by Horn Church (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158923776@N07/), on Flickr
Please note the neighbouring road to the North, the B.1454, your access point to get to the Church.
It'll disappear, in the next view, as I zoom-in, closer still... as the Church is just off a small side-road
Please note the 'additional markings' I've used & given it, to assist you in finding it....
Main access point, main gate, is highlighted in Yellow in like a 'stylised letter H'
Edmund & Charlotte's Grave location (along with Richard's), is marked in Lime Green (circle)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7917/40580095193_819e15a49f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24PVAvF)St Mary (https://flic.kr/p/24PVAvF) by Horn Church (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158923776@N07/), on Flickr
You may find it'll be slightly or somewhat overgrown thesedays, dependant as to "who" is tending the grounds.
I seriously doubt the writing will be ledgible today, in 2019 on Edmund's & Charlotte's headstone.
But when I last went, Richard's Grave & engraving "is" (was), very, very ledgible*
( * so, should help you to locate it easily )
Richard's gravestone (Maria's Brother), is located at a 2 o'clock angle to Edmund & Charlotte's
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7826/40580076863_6881f1f53d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24PVv4D)EdmundHSnrGrave300dpi,, (https://flic.kr/p/24PVv4D) by Horn Church (https://www.flickr.com/photos/158923776@N07/), on Flickr
Hope this info' meets your request that you asked me, yesterday & would help others find it too.
Cheers, 'Hornchurch'
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Hi
Thank u soooo much. I often go up to north Norfolk so will deffo look for the graves.
Did u know that the pews in the church were carved by william bone who married lily Louisa Binks my great grandmother?
Did u know that Maria Binks travelled the countryside in her pony and trap dealing in Antiques and buying at the Auctions. She had a big store on the village green at sedgeford . Hubby Thomas was a farmer and they set all their children up in business.
Of which I know s little about if ure interested.
Who is ur 2 and 3 x great grandparent ?
Loopy
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Hi
Thank u soooo much. I often go up to north Norfolk so will deffo look for the graves.
Did u know that the pews in the church were carved by william bone who married lily Louisa Binks my great grandmother?
Did u know that Maria Binks travelled the countryside in her pony and trap dealing in Antiques and buying at the Auctions. She had a big store on the village green at sedgeford . Hubby Thomas was a farmer and they set all their children up in business.
Who is ur 2 and 3 x great grandparent ?
Loopy
Hi again Loops, Am glad you like the info' & bearings.
If you click THIS link below & scroll down, you'll see my Dad's father, my Paternal Grandad.
Scroll down to the picture of Bobby Moore & it's the picture to his left....
http://theyflysohigh.co.uk/train-now-standing/4585619623
You'll notice it says... "Taken by his son, Ken", my Dad's Brother.
Ken "is" the one to give credit for our tree's history, he worked tirelessly on it.
I've corroborated it, some 25yrs later - N.R.O & microfische-film, proof-checking.
I drove Ken to Sedge' Church & we took the picture together, in fact, I took the shot**
( with HIS Olympus camera, of Edmond/Edmund & Charlotte's gravestone )
It's EXACTLY because of the L.N.E.R (railway), that I was born in London/Essex.
William.J (Bill), was born in Heacham (1901) & moved from Heacham to London (L.N.E.R)
They were crying out for Firemen & Drivers, so my Grandad went from one, t'other !
Ken was born in Norfolk, the "last" on our line to achieve that distinction - (d. Torquay)
In answer to your question - My "Direct-Line" - Going down chronologically.....
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Edmund (Edmond) & Charlotte Hudson = My Gt.Gt.Gt.Gt Grandparents
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Edmund & Phoebe Hudson (nee' Woods) = My Gt.Gt.Gt Grandparents
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Edward & Margaret Hudson (nee' Sands) = My Gt.Gt. Grandparents
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William.J & Minnie Hudson (nee' Pearce) = My Gt.Grandparents
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William.J** & Gertrude-Marion (nee' Clifford) = **That's my Grandpa on the West Ham site.
My Grandad Bill drove Britannia (70000) & B.17 Express trains on L.N.E.R & B.R
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Another woman in N.Z obv's shares our dual ancestry, hence these.... (My direct-line)
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=anna%2Dlouise&id=I37669
https://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=anna%2Dlouise&id=I37675
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Whilst I didn't know the full S.P on Maria, I did know she was rich-affluent, etc.
Am told she was SO well-off, that she bought her multitude of kids A HOUSE EACH !!!!!
Like I say, I "do" have a photo' of her (Maria) & her offspring (& Mr.Binks, her hubby.
The photo' came to me in a rather vandalised state, so needs "mucho-work".
When I eventually find it, I'll give it to the 'repair' guys on this site, to work on.
From memory, the photograph was taken around 1870, so, a VERY early picture indeed.
"If" you check that woman's links (above, Anna Arrol), you see addresses listed...
Malthouse Crescent, Heacham AND Robertson's Cottages.
Whilst both a now (today), demolished, I do have decent pictures**
** Roberstson's Cottages, that Ken took, back in the 1970's/1980's.
Look forward to all & any replies.....
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