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Search Griffith's Valuation (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml) by Name or Place (with links to maps for some areas)
Another Griffith's Valuation site here (http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php)
Explanatory Article here (http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/more_to_griffiths.html)- go to bottom of page, then select Word or PDF version.
Explantion of Deeds, Valuation Records, Tithe Applotment Books, Householder's Index, Landed Estate Records- here (http://www.nireland.com/genealogy/land_and_property.html)
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The Local Government (Ireland) Act 1898 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Ireland)_Act_1898) caused a number of county boundaries to be modified, with the result that a number of baronies, civil parishes and townlands crossed county boundaries:
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Click here (http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=2292) to read an article on Ancestry.com about Irish Townlands by Sherry Irvine, CGRS, FSA (Scot) who has been researching her British ancestry for thirty years. When Sherry was doing some research in Belfast she took some time to visit the Ulster Museum where she saw the thirty panels of a of the Ulster Place-Name Society exhibit called "Celebrating Ulster's Townlands" (http://www.ulsterplacenames.org/celebrating_ulster's_townlands_exhibition.htm) which explains quite a lot about the Townlands in Ireland.
There are a few bodies in the Republic of Ireland which do similar work to the Ulster Place-Name Society. These are the official channels such as the Placenames Commission and the Placenames Branch (http://www.pobail.ie/en/IrishLanguage/ThePlacenamesBranch/PlacenamesOrders) (the Government Department responsible for researching and verifying placenames in Ireland) Other groups include the Cork and Kerry Placenames Survey (http://www.placenames.ie) which was set up by an number of individuals who have an interest in the subject. This group incorporates a two county Survey Team known as Logainmneacha Chorcaí / Cork Place Names Survey for Cork County and Suirbhé Áitainmneacha Chiarraí / Kerry Place Names Survey for County Kerry
I know of two search engines for finding parishes and townlands ...
1. IreAtlas www.thecore.com/seanruad
2. Irish Ancestors Placenames www.ireland.com/ancestor/placenames
Click here (http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/magazine/articles/iha_placenames2.htm) to read an article which was originally published in "The Irish At Home and Abroad" journal of Irish genealogy and heritage (volume 5 #1, 1st Quarter 1998). Published four times yearly.
"Irish Place Names and the Immigrant: Divisions" by Dwight A. Radford and Kyle J. Betit
Their article refers to sub-divisions of townlands which may be field or farm names known to the local people. There are also small communities within townlands which have unique names and may only include a few houses. Messrs Radford and Betit suggest that the quickest method of establishing in which townland, civil parish, and county an obscure place name is located may well be to have a look at the "Manuscript Index to the Original 6" to the Mile Ordnance Survey Maps." They may not appear on the search engines which I've mentioned above.
Samuel Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) is a great site if you are having problems finding Irish townlands ... it can help identify townlands which may not be listed in any of the townland directories such as the thecore.com/seanruad IreAtlas website. Use the 1837 Dictionary of Samuel Lewis in conjunction with Sean Ruad's IreAtlas as this may assist in finding that elusive townland. www.from-ireland.net/lewis/allcounties.htm
This is getting to be confusing as Ireland has Hamlets and Villages as well as Townlands.
A Hamlet is smaller than a village and a village is smaller than a town. We also have old established Cities and recently created Cities which used to be towns.
Christopher
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~registryofdeeds/index.html
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The Valuation of 1848-64 was the Primary Valuation. Three notebooks were used.
1. Field Books: Information on the size & quality of a holding
2. House Books: Occupiers name and measurement of any buildings
3. Tenure Books: Annual rent paid and legal basis - whether by lease, or at will, also the year of any lease.
These notebooks also document any changes in occupation between the initial survey and the final published survey.
The valuation office holds the 'Cancelled' / 'Revision' Land Books & Current Land Books.
The 'Cancelled Land Books' and 'Current Land Books', give details of all changes in the holdings, from the time of the Primary Valuation up to the present day.
The books can be very useful in pinpointing a possible date of death or emigration, or even in identifying a living relative.
The Valuations are now on the Ask about Ireland site ...
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml)
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The Valuation Annual Revision books are also extremely helpful. These are a continuous up-dating of the information contained in the original Griffith's Valuation of ratable property. They show changes in occupancy and ratable value. They are color coded and have the changes marked in different colored inks for different years, making them very useful for pinpointing a possible time of death or emigration, or identifying a living relative. In the North they run from the time immediately following the publication of the printed volumes to 1929. www.youririsheyes.com/land_records.html
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Hi all, I know the Valuation Office has been touched on before, but I haven't seen it spelt out that the public can inspect so much material. There are inspection fees payable unless you are an 'unemployed student oap' ;D. You can also get old 'Valuation Certificates' (bit expensive for me but some people may feel the need) of your ancestors address & copies of valuation maps. Here are details & good luck. Regards, TonyR.
Valuation Office Irish Life Centre, Abbey Street Lower, Dublin 1
Public Office Opening Hours: Monday to Friday 9.15am to 4.30pm
http://www.valoff.ie/Fees.htm
"Public Office Fees effective from 1st September 2000
Inspection Fees
Current book or map (for research periods of less than 1 hour) €3.80
Daily research fee after 1 hour(Effective from 1/8/02) €15.24
Photocopy per item €0.63
Colour copy per item €1.27
Archive Research
Each volume/map consulted (for research periods less than 1 hour) €3.80
Daily Research Fee after 1 hour(Effective from 1/8/02) €15.24
(Periods greater than 1 hour to be charged at proportionate hourly rate)
E-mail or postal query €25.39
Note: Archive research is free to students on production of a letter of authorisation from their college/tutor, senior citizens and persons in receipt of an unemployment payment subject to satisfactory verification.
Certificates
Current Year €12.70
Previous Year €63.49
Previous Years to 1950 €101.58
Previous Years to 1900 €190.46
Any Year prior to 1900 €253.95
Provisional Valuation Certificate €126.97
Copies of Maps
VO Certified Copy €50.79
Current Map (Photocopy) €12.70
A3/A4 size (Photocopy) €6.35
Griffith Map €25.39
A3/A4 size €12.70"
http://www.valoff.ie/Research.htm
"Research, archive and genealogical services
Our public office team provides inspection facilities for members of the public to view all current and archive rating records and maps. Our archives contain the original books and surveys carried out in the 1840s, books and maps of Griffith's Valuations in the 1850s, and documentation showing the subsequent revisions up to the current position. The public office team also provides the following certificates and services:
Current certificates of rateable valuation
Historical certificates of rateable valuation
Certified copies of valuation maps
Provisional valuation certificates
Inspection of archival material
The following details are held in relation to each property:
Occupier Name
Townland
Address
Description of Property
Acreage of Holding
Rateable value and Reference to it's position on a Valuation Map
The archive is unique in that it can relate people to a particular property. In addition, the property location is outlined on a valuation map. The Valuation maps are also archived so it may be possible to locate the exact position of a house or property of a particular family back to C.1850. Please see details of fees payable for Genealogical Research.
What information do I need to trace a particular property?
In rural areas you will need, at a minimum, the name of the County, the name of the Townland and the name of the person or family. In a City or Town, the street name is also required.
Public Office and Archives
General enquiries 01-8171045 / 1041
Certificates 01-8171046
Maps 01-8171043
Research Services 01-8171017 / 1046
email archive_mail[at]valoff.ie
Freedom of Information Requests 01-8171040 email: info[at]valoff.ie
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There are several different systems of land measurement in place in Ireland at various times.
Statute acre (or English acre) = 4840 square yards
Cunningham acre = 6250 square yards
A Scottish measurement. Cunningham acres need to be multiplied by 1.29 to convert them to English, statute acres.
www.clancunningham.org/photos/Settlement6.html
Irish acre = 7840 square yards
www.sizes.com/units/irish_acre.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre_(Irish)
conversion table: www.convertcenter.com/convertunit.aspx/area/irish_acre/all/56/0/1
This may explain the differences in the acreage of a farm which seems to have changed in size.
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Valuation books discussed on this thread-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,445994.0/topicseen.html
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Townlands, Parishes, etc.
Counties are made up of parishes and parishes are made up of a group of townlands. If you are doing any research in Ireland these divisions become extremely important.
For further information:
www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/records/land/townland.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townland
www.ancestryireland.com/database.php?filename=townlands
To find townlands + parishes:
www.thecore.com/seanruad (change default setting from exact match to find part of a word)
www.logainm.ie/?menuItem=about&uiLang=en
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Can anyone tell me how to print off a small section of an old map on the Griffiths Valuation site?
Or is it forbidden?
Gen in Northumberland England
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I think it's fine to print out sections of the maps - as long as they are for personal or family use, and not republished in any way.
Depends of what graphics programs you have, but one way to do it is with a screen shot and MSPaint...it's a bit techie ... but as follows :
1. browse to the map Griffith's map you want to print
2. screenshot your browser window using ALT-Printscreen
3. start MSPaint (usually in Start/Programs./Accessories)
4. select edit / paste from the menu
5. your screenshot will now appear
if you want to crop this to exclude the browser section of the image try :
1. pick the 'select' tool - dashed rectangle (usually on the bar to the left)
2. select the required map area from your image
3. select edit / copy from the menu
4. select file / new from the menu to start a fresh image
(answer No to the 'save changes to untitled question)
5. select edit / paste from the menu to show just your selection
6. now print!
Shane
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I have a question about the maps: what does "B.M." mean? you can find it everywhere, as in "B.M. on Battlement", "B.M. on sill of Door", "B.M. on Milestone", etc.
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I have a question about the maps: what does "B.M." mean? you can find it everywhere, as in "B.M. on Battlement", "B.M. on sill of Door", "B.M. on Milestone", etc.
Ar you finding this abbreviation on Griffith's maps?
Added- B.M. on Ordnance Survey maps is Bench Mark
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/aboutus/reports/misc/abbreviations.html
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regarding matching a reference map number on the griffiths index to a place on the actual mpas ...
i have a map reference number "35 4", and the numbering on the map stops at 31. I know the reference in question is pointed at a house in a village street - was just wondering does anyone know how to pinpoint a specific house, that is reference in the index, but whose number doesnt show up in the map
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The maps on AskAboutIreland date from much later (some are from the 1880s) than the published returns, so can be missing some of the properties listed on the valuation.
The best maps to use are the ones available in the Valuation Office or those on the computers in the National Library and National Archives, which have a subscription link to the OriginsNetwork website.
These maps are from around the time of the valuation, but more difficult to read and in black & white - which is part of the reason that AskAboutIreland used the later clearer maps.
Shane
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The AskAboutIreland website gives the valuation publication date as just the year, when in fact a more precise date is included at the front of the return. This can be useful detail for checking borderline dates, to verify if the possible entries on the return fit your clues. The publication date is usually within a month or two of the date of the final survey.
It's slightly 'techie', but here's how you get to the page with the publication date on it.
Locate a possible entry in the returns and view the original return in a new tab or browser window (right click on the larger icon under the 'original page' column and select 'open in new window'). Look towards the top of your browser for the URL or web address. You should have something like :
....griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=292012&path=......
The important section is the last three digits of the file number, highlighted in bold above. Carefully alter these three digits to 001 (zero zero one), and press return... you should get to the first page of the valuation volume.
Below is an example of the major text on this page :
Comprising a portion of the Union of Rathdown
Primary Valuation of the Several Tenements in Said Barony
The meeting for the hearing of Appeals against the Primary Valuation of the Barony above named will held in the Session-House at Enniskerry on Tuesday 13th day of April 1852
Richard Griffith, Commissioner of Valuation
Dated at the General Valuation Office, No 2 Fitzwilliam Place
Dublin this 2nd day of February 1852
Notices of intention to Appeal against the Valuation of any Tenement must be addressed to the Clerk of the Board of Guardians, and lodged at the Workhouse of the Union in which such tenements are located.
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Shane
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Details of Griffith's Valuation may be searched by name or location on the AskAboutIreland website. As well as transcriptions, you can also view maps of the locations, and images of the forms.
see : http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
AskAboutIreland also includes an article by John Grenham on the Valuation :
What is Griffith's Valuation? (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/reading-room/history-heritage/irish-genealogy/what-is-griffiths-valuati/) (5 pages)
Some useful notes on the Valuation are available as an Adobe Reader (.pdf) file on the Leitrim-Roscommon website.
see : http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/GRIFFITH/Griffiths.PDF
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Valuation Books Office. Does anyone know if the House Books or Tenure Books are available on line at all?
I have found the Field Books to be a valuable resource as two of my relatives were included in the survey. It would be lovely to know what the Dwelling was like and what the tenure was exactly.
Any ideas welcomed. Many thanks. Valerie
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http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/vob/house_books.jsp
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http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/vob/tenure_books.jsp
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Does anyone know if the Griffiths Valuation books in their original form can be viewed online?
I assume they would have been hand-written.
I have a large area of land in the Divis Townland (in Co. Antrim) which has no one's name attached to it in the typed GV listing.
I would like to check if there may have been an error in transcription?
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I don’t think the original records are on-line. PRONI may have them though. The Primary Valuation records for Divis were published in 1861. I assume you are referring to plot 5?
The Valuation Revision records which take Griffiths forward, and which are on the PRONI website, don’t show any tenant or owner of that plot up to at least 1920. (I didn’t bother checking after that). The Revision records just show 4 main plots as per the original.
Not sure what to make of that, but I don’t think checking the original records will reveal the mystery owner of plot 5.
Note that the maps are not contemporaneous with the original valuation so you do get extra plots appearing in the records which are not in the Primary Valuation, but that doesn’t appear to be the case here as plot 5 just doesn’t get a mention anywhere at all, save on the map.
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I don’t think the original records are on-line. PRONI may have them though. The Primary Valuation records for Divis were published in 1861. I assume you are referring to plot 5?
Thanks for looking in to this.
What caught my attention about Divis is the tenant John Gilmore at plot 3 which is listed as being 142 Acres. Clearly that's wrong. By my calculations Plot 5 would be somewhere around that size though which leads me to think there was an error - either on the original sheets or the transcription.
A 2011 archaeological report by a QUB team describes the ruins of three adjacent cottiers cottages on plot 5 in the early part of the 19th century but they hit the same issue with the GV listing and so couldn't identify the owner/s.
https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/uas/UASfilestore/CoAntrim/Filetoupload,545560,en.pdf
The man who held most of the land adjacent in Black Mountain Townland was Hercules Dean (my ggg grandfather) who died during the famine before the GV.
Hercules' daughter Rose married a Gilmore.
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Interesting. I have walked around the National Trust paths up there a couple of times.
It looks to me as though there is a mistake in the compilation of the map rather than in the records. The Griffiths clerks would not have continued with only 4 plots for the next 60 years if in fact there were 5. They would have corrected the mistake fairly promptly.
You could ask PRONI if they have the originals. If they don’t, National Archives in Dublin may.
The other thing is that Griffiths didn’t record every single property. I think the cut off was £5 RV, in the early years anyway. So very low value properties, particularly cottiers and the like were excluded (being largely made of turf they didn’t last long). So, apart from errors in the mapping, there could have been houses in Divis townland not shown in Griffiths records.
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Thanks for the feedback on this.
I'll follow it up with PRONI.