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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: bolttail on Saturday 26 February 11 09:55 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone got baptism details (or anything else) for Griffith Howell, probably baptised in either New Moat or Henry's Moat between about 1720 and 1740?
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Has anyone got baptism details (or anything else) for Griffith Howell, probably baptised in either New Moat or Henry's Moat between about 1720 and 1740?
Baptism for Henry's Moat start in 1813, Mrge in 1755 and burial in 1813, see ;
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/HenrysMoat/#ChurchRecords
I believe New Moat begin in 1754 see above web site for fuller details.
Have you tried NLoW to see if any BT's survive?
Have you studied the Howel(l)(s) wills of Henrys and New Moat at http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Many thanks Orielbenfro. Checking up on what you say, it does seem that there are no parish records for this period and no BTs.
Regarding the wills. Been there, seen it, done it. Without any baptism records I can't make any connection.
Many thanks. At least you have clarified my mind on this. I need to give up.
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Don't give up :( obtain a copy of "Village Records" by John West, this has a host of idea's of obscure records that are available, that might give you some idea of what else to search for.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Hi
This may interest you.
Christning at New Moat
John son of Griffth Howell,Blacksmith,Baptised March 20th 1766
Benjamin ,April 15th 1769
Kind Regards
omega
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Hi Omega 1. Yes, this baptism is of interest to me in that it provides Griffith Howell's occupation. Many thanks for that. It is much appreciated. Has anyone else got anything on Griffith? Marriage, burial, or other baptisms (particularly his son Benjamin, believed to have been born in New Moat about 1769
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Sorry Omega 1. I got too excited when I read your entry. I didn't notice that you had also given the baptism date for Benjamin as well as John. So, as Benjamin provided my line of descent, I'm now even more grateful than I thought I was. I must concentrate more.
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Hi bolttail
Your welcome.The info was from PRs i have.I have to go out soon but with look at everything i have on New Moat later
This is where my Gibby Line came from.No doubt you Griffith family knew my Gibby lot :D.
I understand your excitement ;D
Kind Regards
omega
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Many thanks. I really appreciate your help.
I know that Benjamin Howell married Ann (not necessarily in New Moat) and that he and his family moved to Robeston West some time between 1802 and 1804. I presume that Griffith and his wife (possibly Mary) remained and died in New Moat.
Anything you can let me have regarding the Howells in New Moat would be great.
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Hi
Mary Howell wife of Griffth Howell was buried April 23rd 1803,at New Moat.
Will see what else i can find
omega :)
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Hi again
I have found a Baptisum for a son of Benjamin,Blacksmith.
Not sure if its WM, 1796.The writing is quite bad,its either January or February.
omega :)
PS,maybe he is on the 1841 census
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Many thanks Omega 1 for the Mary Howell burial.
The 1841 census does record William living with his mother, Ann, and sister, Celia, at Robeston West. His given age is 45. So thanks for another baptism.
Any marriages? Or am I being too greedy?
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Your certainly not greedy.
Not having much luck with Marriages.I know from visiting Pembroke Record Office when on holiday ,some early 1800s records for New Moat are missing,which is a pain.
I have been nosing :D on google .co.uk. Put in griffith howell born new moat.
A person has a web site My Howell Family which has names you are looking for,take a nose :D.
You dont say in your Profile where you live,which would help with suggestions i could make with your hunting.
Kind regards
Omega
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Just in case have come across the following ;
Benjamin Howel of New Moat mrd Martha James at Llandeilo 24 July 1814
Richard Howell of New Moat mrd Elizabeth Morgan at Bletherston 15 Apr 1819
Griffith Howell mrd Phobe Morse at New Moat 09 Apr 1835
Griffith Howel mrd Mary Morgan at New Moat 1757
Can look further at the Rec Off if required.
Rgds
Orielbenfro
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Many thanks Orielbenfro. The Griffith Howel marriage to Mary Morgan in 1757 must be the one I want, so thanks for that. I presume that the records show no day or month for this event?
Thanks for the offer to look in the Records Office. I really don't think that I could impose on your kindness to that extent. I'm sure my list of queries would just get longer and longer. Every answer gives rise to another question.
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The Griffith Howel marriage to Mary Morgan in 1757 must be the one I want,
Herewith attached for your interest
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Orielbenfro
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Wow! Thanks Orielbenfro. What a bonus. I wasn't expecting that. I really appreciate it.
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Just to complete the story has anyone got the marriage of Griffith's son, Benjamin. It was suggested to me some time ago that he probably married Ann John at Llanfallteg on the 10th November 1794, but this information had passed through several hands before it got to me, so I have no idea as to its origin or accuracy. I'm hoping that the marriage record might indicate the groom's parish
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For the information of any Howell hunters. I took the advice of 'Orielbenfro' and didn't give up my search for the parents of Griffith. In 1757, Owen Howell of Henry's Moat (the adjacent parish to New Moat) wrote a will which can be seen on the National Library of Wales website. (The year under which it is listed is 1759.) Two of his sons were named David and Griffith. If you examine the signature of David Howell (a witness) on the above marriage register entry and compare it with the writing on the said will, you may conclude that they were written by the same person. Further, David wrote the letter 'e' in a rather odd way, more like the Greek letter 'theta', and you may note that Griffith wrote the said letter in the same way. My conclusion is that the Griffith and David recorded on the marriage register are almost certainly brothers and the sons of Owen Howell and his wife Anne.
If you agree or disagree with my findings, I would like to here from you, particularly if you are a handwriting expert.
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For the purposes of clarity. I note that in my previous entry I said that Owen Howell 'wrote a will'. I should have said, 'made a will'. Owen couldn't write, he only made his mark at the bottom. So, someone else actually wrote it.
Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused.
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Hi bolttail
Do you have in your Tree a Griffith Howell & his wife Mary.Grirffith born C1826 ?
If these 2 are yours ,i have the MI for them
Kind Regards
omega
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Hi Omega 1. The Griffith Howell you refer to isn't on my tree, but I have a feeling that he and Mary should be. So, yes please, I would like the MI for them, and I'll try and see where they fit in. Obviously the location is important to me. Many thanks.
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Hi bolttail
Griffith & Mary Howells were living on a Farm called Cefnos, Llanycefn
Er cof am/Griffith Howells/Cefnos,o`r plwyf hwn/yr hwn a fu farw/Tachwedd 30 1896/yn 70 ml oed/Hefyd am/Mary Howells/ei anwyl briod a fu farw/Hydref 18 1904/yn 71 ml oed/Hefyd Martha ei merch a fu/farw Hydref 21 1871/yn 16 mis oed.
anwyl briod means beloved wife, merch is daughter.
They may fit in somewhere
Kind Regards
omega
PS,if you google uk,welsh words and phrases on headstone,it gives the translations :)
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Hi bolttail
I have looked on the 71/81 & 1891 census
Griffith was from New Moat :D
Kind Regards
omega
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Read this thread with interest as I am descended from Benjamin Howell (1769). My notes showed that the occupation of blacksmith was inherited not just by Benjamin but also his brother William who was a master blacksmith and publican. He ran the Three Horseshoes Public House at Robeston West with his unmarried sister Celia. :)
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Wow! This is all absolutely fascinating! I am also an ancestor of Griffith Howell - however my tree suggests he married Phoebe (Phebe) Morse; their son William Howell born 1845 was born to the Blacksmith family there in New Moat but eventually moved to Cwm Du, in Glamorganshire.
Anyone have any information on family pre-dating 1806?
thanks so much,
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Hi 'kimberleybell',
You're welcome to everything I have. Send your email address to me as a private message.
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Hi bolttail - that would be great, if only i could work out how to send a private message!! :D :D