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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: lovin lass on Wednesday 20 April 05 14:33 BST (UK)
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hi all
just wondering if there is buriel index for witton cemetery/or parish records
dont know name of the church that goes with this cemetery any help greatly recieved
thanks angie
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I have visited Witton many times and looked for and found many lost graves of various relatives.
Do you know who you are looking for and the date of death.If you do go to the 6th Floor of birmingham central library and look up the burials loggs for Witton. That will give you a Burial Grant Number,take that and any information you have Such as name,date of death (Aprox) to the records office at the cemetery.They should then be able give you a plot and grave number.If you can give them no more than a name and a Vague date,they will charge a research fee of £16.50 per half hour.So the more you can give them,the less likely they are to charge.
If there is more than one person you a re looking for,you may have to pay.I did on a recent visit,when i was looking for four graves.They did one free,i was charged for the other three,which was a flat fee of £16.00 for the three.But that was by post,so the remaining three graves i had to find on a visit at a later date.
Stephen
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hi steve
thanks for the info,dont live in b,ham anymore live in wales
im researching my adopted name and birth name
my adopted name and granddads are both buried at witton as i use to go there with my foster parents when i was younger
there surnames were beddows and gibson
have resently found out that 1 of my birth aunties is also buried there with her son my couisin isnt that a coinsidence
know that my nan beddows died in the 80s her husband died in the 70s and 2 of ther children are buried with them or just along side
my dads dad died when he was little and my dads mom died in late seventies she bought up 9 children on her own
best wishes angie
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Angie
If it helps i have the address,telephone number and e-mail adress of the Cemetery Office,if you want to contact them.But remember if you have several people to look for and/or a lack of information there is likely to be a charge.
If you are unable to get to Witton for the foreseeable future and only have one or two to look for,i can look up the details on my next visit to Birmingham Central library and possibly try my luck at the cemetery office.But as i now live in Telford i'm not due in Birmingham again for two/three weeks.
Stephen
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hi steve
that would be great help would love to know when my nan and grandad gibson were born and what year they died
there names were
john william gibson and alice maud gibson formaly timmis
if you give me email address will try first if i have no luck then will email you 2 c if you can look at the library for me
thanks again angie
sorry dont have birth or death details know that my nan was in her 90s when she died
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You say your Nan was in her 90's when she died,do you remember roughly when. If you do a search of the BMD index's a couple of years either side of your estimated year of death that will give a definate year to work on for her death. That would then make a search through the Witton records a million times easier. That's of course providing they are buried at Witton, how sure of that are you??.
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hi ya
im very sure they buried at witton cus i use to go there with my parents to put flowers on the graves do you have web site for bmd please
thanks angie, i see you got duddeston in your place search thats on my dads birth cert a bit of useless info ha ha
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The website i use is www.1837online.com they charge about £5.00 for which you get 50 credits. There is also Freebmd, but at the moment i think they have only transcribed BMD's up till about 1911. So if they died after then,the free site isn't much use at the moment.
Living in Wales are you close to a Major city/town. Most large central libraries have the national BMD index's on microfiche.Some don't charge to look at these,others a nominal fee.At Birmingham Library they charge 50pence per half hour.You can look at an Awful lot of Microfiche in half hour,once you get used to it.
If you have a rough idea of when they died and you can find them on the BMD index,it gives an age at death. So then you'll know what year to look at for their birth's.
I think 70% of my family originate from the Duddeston/Aston area. Small world !!.
Stephen
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I too am looking for a grave at Witton. My great-gran was interred there in 1919. I know this for sure, having already got her death certificate, I traced her burial at the Central Library and now intend to go there. I have heard though that graves are reused after 70 years. I hope this isn't the case. I'm hoping that the grave is holding the remains my great granddad too. He died in the 40's apparently
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Be prepared for the fact that she may have had a paupers grave, (although I am not saying she did).
A lot of the family that I have tried to trace who were buried at Witton in 1918/19/20/21, etc, were buried in paupers graves and as such at the time had no grave markers.
In the 1940's (according to the ladies at the cemetery office) fresh earth to a depth of 9ft was spread over many area's containing these paupers graves/plots. Therefore creating new burial land, without having to remove any bodies.
These new plots were sold off to people who could afford to pay for them. These "new plots" were positioned almost exactly over the old paupers graves and in most cases carried the same plot number.
I have been in the unusual position of standing at a spot that was once a paupers grave containing a relative and the plot is now marked by a headstone, for a completely unrelated family. So I would be standing at a headstone for say a "Smith" in this new earth laid in the 1940's, while my relative a "Coulson" was in a grave, in the old earth underneath, and therefore under "Smith".
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She was buried in a "common" grave which was unmarked. Strange, but if there is another grave on top, it too is unmarked.
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Which section was she buried in?
Common graves themselves quite often contained as many as 6/7 unrelated people.
Stephen
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She was buried in section 48, #41513. I found graves 41512 and 41514 and there was an open space between them which I presume is 41513. It seems I may only ever discover when she died as I cannot find anything else on her.
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Both of my Grandparents are buried in the "new ground" laid down on top of the common graves of section 48 (they were buried in 1967 & 2002). My grandmother always wondered where her own parents were buried, who died in 1918 and 1919, all she new was that it was Witton.
Her father turned out to be in section 48 in a common grave 41450, in the "old ground". There is a plot 41450 today above him, but to an unrelated family. When I looked up from the spot where I was standing, I was a matter of 50ft from my Grandmothers grave, buried so close to her father but he of course is at a much greater depth than her. Her mother turned out to be almost as close, just across from her in section 47(section 47 and 48 merge into each other at roughly the point her mother is buried).
The open space would indeed be 41513, where the ladies at the cemetery office able to tell you the last known address at the time of her death of your Great Grandmother. That would be a start towards finding out more about her.
Stephen
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I actually knew where she died anyhow - I had recently tracked her death certificate which told me she died on 18/11/1919 at 10 Oxygen Street. Her second daughter (my gran) was the informant, living at same address, despite getting married 3 months earlier. I found the certificate at the second attempt as I found another Harriet Hunt that died 4 years earlier, 4 years younger. I tried that one but it drew a blank because it didn't tie up with Charles Hunt. That proved to be decisive detail in getting it. I can't understand why they don't show marital status on mens death certificates. I've got one for a Charles Hunt who died in 1942. The informant is a son WH Hunt. I've heard that they had a son known as Harry. Whether this is him, I don't know. The occupation fits however. I've found a second one on the index who died in 1924. I just wish there was a way of asking the registrar if they can search up the informants name too.
The main problem I have is that I cannot find out when Harriet was born. She was born in Worcester between Nov 1860 and March 1861. Her maiden name was Taylor (her daughter's birth certificates all say that). I cannot even find her marriage either.
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I can't find a death certificate for my G G Grandfather a Joseph White, information that I have, suggests he died between 1881 and 1891. This I have based on the fact that my G G Grandmother was living alone with her son George (my G Grandfather) and declaring herself a widow in 1891, she remarried in 1900.
The only match that showed any promise was a Joseph White that died in 1896. The age was right, but the occupation was wrong. The informant was his daughter an E Thompson (my G G Grandparents had two children an Emily and a George). It's possible that the informant, E Thompson is an Emily White who married a "Thompson", but I can't find a marriage to support this. Then of course 1896 is 5 years after my G G Grandmother first declared herself (to the best of my Knowledge) a widow!!. Lastly when George married in 1902, one of the witness's was an Emily White!!!!
Their son George (my G Grandfather) was born some where between mid 1876 and march 1877. His marriage certificate in 1902 and the CWGC database stating he died in March 1915 aged 38, support this, but even after three years of searching I cannot find a birth certificate for him.
Last year I joined a family history/research class, not because I thought they could teach me anything (it was a beginners class). But so I could pick the brains of the tutor who had been doing family research for 35 years. A Long time before the creation of the internet and computers became affordable. I asked him questions very similar to yours, based on the information above.
He said as far as births were concerned, conservative estimates show that as late as the 1870's /early 1880's as many as 10/15% of births were still not been registered. As for deaths there is no legal requirement (or there wasn't) for a man's marrital status to be declared on a death certificate, which may not be known anyway, especially if the informant wasn't family. Informants could give (and did give) any name they wished, they didn't have to prove who they were. There was no reqirement for a full name or proof of indentity to be given. Even if it were, how it was recorded (initial or full name) was down to the person who filled out the original death certificate, the doctor and /or the registra. The registra can only give you or I the information that is on the certificate. If it was given wrongly or recorded wrongly, then in all probability we may never be able to tell. I will keep searching for now, but the tutor did say there will come a point where you will have to accept that there is no more information to be found, something that has happened to him more than once, while doing his own family tree.
Did Harriet have more than one name? I have a female relative who' names were Emily Mary Margaret. Depending on what I assume was her mood at the time, I have found her recorded as either Emily, Mary or Margaret. It has made un picking her history, quite interesting to say the least!!!
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I only have the birth records for her 3 daughters, plus the death of the third (at the age of 1). Harriett was informant on all. She signed the first certificate in full but on the others as H Hunt. It was only when I got the birth certificate for her eldest daughter that I discovered her name had 2 t's at the end. The registrar always put her name as Harriet rather than Harriett. At least her death certificate put this error right.
What doesn't help either is that I cannot find her married to Charles Hunt before the 1901 census, nor together at least. Charles Hunt was born in Birmingham, moved to Worcester at some time, got married, moved back to Birmingham and stayed there till his death. The thing I would like is for Charles Hunt's death certificate to say "widower of Harriett Hunt" or be signed by a Alice Field (eldest daughter) or Ellen Cook (my gran). Their third daughter died aged just 13 months in 1901.
But for names, I know what you mean. My late aunt Rose was born Ellen Rose but took her middle name to avoid confusion with her mom (my gran Ellen Cook). Alice Field's (my Gt Aunt) husband Horace was known as Joey (his middle name was Joseph). It's one thing that in a way bothers me. I was born after my gran died, and she would have been able to answer a lot of the questions. Her children are not all that cooperative - my dad inherited the house when his siblings thought it would be divided between them. They managed to help themselves to a few family heirlooms, including photos of my great grandparents. If they still exist, I would like to see them, but whoever has them is hiding them.
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I have several ancesters buried in Witton cemetery.
I recently received pictures of the graves of my grt grt grandparents in there. But it presents me more mystery than before! I have their death certificates but it doesn't correspond with the dates on the gravestones. One date is several years out. There are no other deaths in this time frame of the names (not a common name) so I have a few possibilities.
Isn't family history wonderful for mystery!
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Once I had the relevent death certificates, I checked through the Witton Cemetery burial registers at Birmingham Central Library for matches around the dates shown on the death certificates. Once I had a match or matches I noted the burial reference number/s and presented that at the cemetery office. That coupled with the date, enabled them to give me plot and section numbers and information such as the last known address and on the odd rare occasion the purchaser of the burial rights. It was these last two pieces of information that "clinched" it for me when I had a couple of possible matches, when a couple of people with the same name died at around the same time.
Did you contact the cemetery first and ask for a broad search between two dates, then get the certificates or as I did?
Either way, with "several years difference" in one case, it looks like one of the graves or one of the certificates is not the one you are looking for, even with a name that is not that common.
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I have some Memebers of my Family buried in a Family plot in Witton Cemetery, their name is Davies and they have been buried there over a period of time from 1889 (possibly before).
The details I do know are:
Mary Davies buried 1889 aged 18
Robert Davies buried 1913 aged 63
There may well be more Davies buried there.
I live in Dorset and so visiting is difficult, if someon locally could find the graves and E-mail me photos, it would be much appreciated, I would be more than happy to return the favour for any Dorset burials.
Regards,
Richard Hudson
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Get in touch with the cemertry with the information you have they are very helpful and will let you know plot/grave numbers.
wittoncem@birmingham.gov.uk
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Foxterrier,
Many thanks for the link, I have forwarded details, so fingers crossed.
Have you had success locating family at Witton?
I must say it is very addictive this Family History Research!!
Kind regards,
Richard
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Many times as long as you give them enough information they don't charge they sent me a map of the cemetery to make it easier to find the plot. Think i asked too many times so when they emailed said they would have to charge next time. When you get an answer post it on here maybe if anybody is going there they may take a photo for you.
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Hi All,
I have recent success requesting with a name and a death date for my great great grandfather. They are very helpful for simple enquiries and came back with a plot number and grave number.
I will be going soon to see the family grave so if you mail me before I go I may be able to take some photos Richard.
Regards to all,
Sam
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Hi Sammidav,
Thanks for your kind offer to photograph some graves, If possible all Davies buired in Section 65 around grave No 8906 (Robert Davies died 1913 aged 63).
Kind regards,
Richard Hudson
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Hi I will be going in December I think so I will have a look then.
Let me know if someone else get there first!
Sam
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Sam,
Many thanks, look forward to the results.
Richard
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Hello Richard,
I finally managed to visit after the terrible winter weather has gone.
There are 4 of the Davis family in this family grave. I do have some photos. Please contact me and I will send to you.
Best regards,
Sam
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Sam,
Thanks very much, I would love to see them, my E-Mail address is (*), if you would forward them, I would be extremely grateful. If I can return the favour for any South West locations, I live in Gillingham, Dorset.
Regards,
Richard
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There are a few possibilities for harriets birth:
Harriet Ann Taylor Q4 1859 district B'ham vol 6d page 206
Harriet Ellen Taylor Q3 1860 district B'ham vol 6d page 60
Harriet Ellen Taylor Q4 1861 district B'ham vol 6d page 189
Harriet Taylor Q1 1862 district Aston vol 6d page 60
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hi all
just wondering if there is buriel index for witton cemetery/or parish records
dont know name of the church that goes with this cemetery any help greatly recieved
thanks angie
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Just found your post re Beddoes and Harrison Witton Cemetery. My grandparents are buried there and also great grandparents by the name of Harrison. In the family there is also a Beddoes. If you are still looking and think there may be a link I can send more details M