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Title: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Saturday 05 March 11 13:26 GMT (UK)
Looking for information on Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans they married in Geelong and farmed in the Derrinallum area of Victoria and are buried in Lismore Victoria. They were know to have the following children; John, henry, Susan, Mary Anne, Charolette, Elizabeth and Margaret. Any info would be helpful.

Fran ::)
Title: Re: Evans/Campbell
Post by: Neil Todd on Saturday 05 March 11 18:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Fran, Without any year of arrival in Victoria to go on it would be a bit difficult to work out the correct family. The Newspapers here may offer some assistance in family notices. For early records the Melbourne Argus from around 1849 on may be the best help. If you can post dates of known information someone may be able to find the particular family.
Neil

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

http://www.camperdownhistory.org.au/research.html
Title: Re: Evans/Campbell
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 06 March 11 00:28 GMT (UK)
When you say you are looking for information, is there something specific, such as marriage or birth details you are needing.

It may save time for helpers if we know what isalready in hand and what sources you have explored.

 :D

Sue
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: cando on Sunday 06 March 11 01:51 GMT (UK)
Their burials at Lismore - detailed to help find other records.

EVANS, John  born c1837 and died 8 Mar 1884 - Husband of Margaret
EVANS Margaret  born c1842 and died 11 Sep 1924 - Wife of John

Their marriage
EVANS John
CAMPBELL Margaret
1864  Reg#2943

This certificate would help you with their ages and places of birth and the names of their parents.
You can purchase an image online [$17.50] and immediately download
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage

Information on all certificates in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Deaths
EVANS John
Father Wm  Mother Hanie QUOCEE
47 years  at Lismore  1884  Reg#1750

EVANS Margaret
Parents unknown
At Kew  83 years  1924  Reg#10456

Their death certificates should note the years in Australia which if accurate may help you find them on shipping records.

The children and their years of birth...a little different to the order given by you. All born at Darlington.

EVANS Susan  1865  Reg#21908
EVANS Mary Ann  1867  Reg#21636
EVANS Elizabeth  1870  Reg#15563
EVANS Margaret  1871  Reg#23055
EVANS John Johnstone  1873  Reg#16339
EVANS Charlotte  1875  Reg#22224
EVANS Henry Francis  1878  Reg#8369

Advertisement - John EVANS, Derrinallum
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4z/

On 26 Jan 1884 a John EVANS of Derrinallum advertised the lease of his land by tender for ten years.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4x/

Advertisement re his estate
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4y/

Estate - Leased land to let
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c50/

If you purchase some certs with John and Margaret's place of birth and parents, we can then hopefully find them on census prior to emigration.

Cheers  :)
Cando
   
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: judb on Sunday 06 March 11 03:52 GMT (UK)
A few snippets -

PROV has a digiitsed will for Margaret EVANS died 11 September 1924, widow, of Derrinallum, Victoria.  She leaves all to her two daughters Margaret and Charlotte.

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/probate.asp

NLA newspapers has an account of a fire which competely destryed a house owned by Mrs Evans and Sons in Derinallum in 1904.  Mrs Evans was visiting her brother Mr J Campbell "who lives a few chains down the street" at the time of the fire.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/30355252?searchTerm=evans%20lismore&searchLimits=exactPhrase

The death of Charlotte is mentioned in the Camperdown Chronicle  Friday 19 May 1944, stating that her parents were pioneers of the district.

An article on the selection of land at Lismore and Koort Koort Nong in 1865 gives the name of a John Russell Evans, contractor of Melbourne
The Argus, Friday 9 June 1865
Edit to add - this is not the right chap as there is a marriage for John Russell EVANS in 1865 to Sarah Mckeirnin

Cheers, Judith

 

   

Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Sunday 06 March 11 10:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you all, yes they were M in Geelong @ ST MARY'S  Catholic Church29 Aug  1864, marriage certificate states that
Margarets parents were a Owen and Susan Campbell (no dates) Johns parents were  a William Evans and a Anne Keohan. It also tells me that Margaret was from Rosscommon and that John came from Co. Fermanagh. John was born in abt 1838 d. 1884 and Margaret abt 1842 d. 1924. They are both buried at Lismore Cemetery Victoria. There is a plot obtained by a Mrs Evans for a Mrs Campbell? at Lismore... There is a Grave of the Evans is still in good condition it stands up right abutting  the  Grave of Margaret and John Evans is a Grave which states Henry Evan 1941, according to cemetery records within this grave is Charlotte d. 1944 & Margaret Evans jun d.1954. The first born child Susan was born at Larra Station Darlington area...


Thanks,

Fran
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: cando on Monday 07 March 11 07:42 GMT (UK)
Looking for information on Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans they married in Geelong and farmed in the Derrinallum area of Victoria and are buried in Lismore Victoria. They were know to have the following children; John, henry, Susan, Mary Anne, Charolette, Elizabeth and Margaret. Any info would be helpful.

Fran ::)

Thank you all, yes they were M in Geelong @ ST MARY'S  Catholic Church29 Aug  1864, marriage certificate states that
Margarets parents were a Owen and Susan Campbell (no dates) Johns parents were  a William Evans and a Anne Keohan. It also tells me that Margaret was from Rosscommon and that John came from Co. Fermanagh. John was born in abt 1838 d. 1884 and Margaret abt 1842 d. 1924. They are both buried at Lismore Cemetery Victoria. There is a plot obtained by a Mrs Evans for a Mrs Campbell? at Lismore... There is a Grave of the Evans is still in good condition it stands up right abutting  the  Grave of Margaret and John Evans is a Grave which states Henry Evan 1941, according to cemetery records within this grave is Charlotte d. 1944 & Margaret Evans jun d.1954. The first born child Susan was born at Larra Station Darlington area...


Thanks,

Fran


Fran I am wondering what other information you are seeking as you mention Any info would be helpful

Cheers  :)
Cando
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Monday 07 March 11 09:04 GMT (UK)
Hi,
  Yes the info I put up is all I have on my Evans/Campbells.
I would really like to go further finding out more on both Margaret Evans and John Evan's parents , as I mentioned Margaret was born in Rosscommon and John was born in Fermanagh Ireland. I believe that John's parents were: William Evans and a Anne Keohan where Margret's mother is a Susan with no maiden name given and her father is said to of been a Owen Campbell.
These names were on there marriage certificate of Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans so i am presuming that they are correct but as you know spelling may be wrong ,witness were a Catherine and a John Bolger which gives no clues.
I am hoping to get some clue as to where in both theses counties they lived. I cannot place a family of Campbells in the shipping records as i have no idea when they may of entered in Australia! Margaret could of migrated separately, but I did find a record at the Lismore cemetery that stated a Mrs Evan's purchased a plot for a Mrs Campbell... Where as John Evans I also have no clues of his entry into the country nor his family ???

Regards,

Fran
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Monday 07 March 11 09:28 GMT (UK)
Also this is my Margaret Evans who died at Kew mental hospital of TB!
 EVANS Margaret
Parents unknown
At Kew  83 years  1924  Reg#10456

The following were her children:
EVANS Susan  1865  Reg#21908
EVANS Mary Ann  1867  Reg#21636
EVANS Elizabeth  1870  Reg#15563
EVANS Margaret  1871  Reg#23055
EVANS John Johnstone  1873  Reg#16339
EVANS Charlotte  1875  Reg#22224
EVANS Henry Francis  1878  Reg#8369

My line is Mary Ann Evans, I can trace her sister Susan Evans to Werribbee she m a John Darlymple, but the others never married as far as I know. The three younger Evans females were named in both their Mothers and Fathers wills, also were the two males. The wills give me no clues on where in Ireland they came other than the counties.

Fran :-[


Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: cando on Monday 07 March 11 23:11 GMT (UK)
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i have no idea when they may of entered in Australia!
Fran

John and Margaret's death certificates should detail their years in Australia ie if known to the informants? 

Quote
Margaret was born in Rosscommon and John was born in Fermanagh Ireland. I believe that John's parents were: William Evans and a Anne Keohan where Margret's mother is a Susan with no maiden name given and her father is said to of been a Owen Campbell.

Ah the joys of research in Ireland :(   You are seeking records pre civil reg and need to know the parish and townlands.

This is likely the death of
Quote
Mrs Evans was visiting her brother Mr J Campbell "who lives a few chains down the street" at the time of the fire. 
 

Perhaps this is another brother?

CAMPBELLWilliam
Father Campbell Owen   Mother Susana  JOHNSTONE
At Lismore  79 years  1926  Reg#14480

EVANS John Johnstone  1873  Reg#16339 -  son of John and Margaret.

Some other CAMPBELL deaths at Lismore with father Wm - have no idea if this is your family...you need some certs.

CAMPBELL William John
Father Campbell Jno Wm  Mother Elizabeth  MURRAY
At Lismore  45 years  1923  Reg#11110

CAMPBELL Julia Torpey
Father Campbell William  Mother Elizabeth  MURRAY
At Lismore  50 years  1930  Reg#14216

Julia is buried at LISMORE
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/CEMINDEX.HTML

[Perhaps you are the snugent noted as a researcher for John and Margaret EVANS at Lismore on the above website]

Now searching for CAMPBELL deaths with parents William and Elizabeth MURRAY

CAMPBELL Thomas
Father Campbell William  Mother Elizabeth  MURRAY
At Geelong  78 years  1949  Reg#20748

Geelong Eastern Cemetery
Location    RC*40***433
Register # 21982
CAMPBELL Thomas  78 years
Date of service 20 Jul 1949
Date of Death    18 Jul 1949

Interred at the same location
Register#24827
CAMPBELL Mary Ann 81 years
Date of service 29 Dec 1956   
Date of Death    27 Dec 1956

Cheers
Cando






Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: cando on Tuesday 08 March 11 00:22 GMT (UK)
Mention of Mrs Wm CAMPBELL and  Mr EVANS
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c63/

Marriage of a Elizabeth Mary CAMPBELL dau of Wm CAMPBELL - mentions Mrs EVANS, aunt of the bride.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c65/

CAMPBELL Elizabeth Mary born Victoria
HERBSTREET James
1905  Reg# 7640

and her birth

CAMPBELL Elizabeth Mary
Father William  Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore  1879  Reg#24267

Julia's obituary
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c62/

Death of a Charles CAMPBELL at Derrinallum
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c64/

The other births to William CAMPBELL and Elizabeth MURRAY

CAMPBELL William John
Father William  Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Darlington  1877  Reg#14797

CAMPBELL Julia Tropy
Father William  Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1881  Reg#10644

CAMPBELL Amaly Ada -   died 1882 Lismore aged 5 months
Father William  Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1881 Reg#24564

CAMPBELL Charles George
Father William  Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1884  Reg#3616

CAMPBELL Rubena
Father William  Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore  Reg#11564

I can't see a marriage in Vic and wonder if this is the family arriving - Bessy is often a nickname for Elizabeth.  There are  death for sons Thomas and William John who weren't born in Victoria.

CAMPBELL Bessy  27 years  Arrived Sep 1874 on the DURHAM Port B Fiche 329 Page 007   
CAMPBELL Margaret 2 years   
CAMPBELL Susan 58 years   [Could this be Margaret and William's mother Susan JOHNSTONE?]
CAMPBELL Susana 1 years   
CAMPBELL Thomas 3 years    
CAMPBELL William  28 years   

Cheers
Cando



Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 01:22 GMT (UK)
Chando,
  Thanks v much for all your work ;D
Regarding death certificates of Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans, there was no name place on both death certificates, as mentioned Margaret died at Kew Mental Hospital, on certificate was not much at all except her age & born Ireland, stated husband unknown, I was able to confirm that it was her as it stated she lived at Derrinallum and I did locate her grave  where she is buried with John Evans all dates match up, the graves of their unmarried children abut their own grave, but it did not tell me much more except confirm i was on the right tram.  She died at Kew Mental Hospital of Bronco pneumonia/TB a inquiry to her death was held, her coffin travelled by train to Lismore for her funeral service and a burial at Lismore.
 I have found several death notices in Trove of her children and a article on her youngest daughter who received her school certificate along with two named Campbell, a Hannah and Annie ???Today found the following which could be Mrs S Campbell: New licences have been  
issued to...
Darlington ; Susan . Campbell,, 10. acres,
Tooliorook,
Camperdown Chronicle
Tuesday 8 June 1880 p.2

I can say I am positive that the Susanna nee Johnstone must be the Mother of my Margaret!
Shipping;
CAMPBELL Bessy  27 years  Arrived Sep 1874 on the DURHAM Port B Fiche 329 Page 007   
CAMPBELL Margaret 2 years   
CAMPBELL Susan 58 years   [Could this be Margaret and William's mother Susan JOHNSTONE?]
CAMPBELL Susana 1 years   
CAMPBELL Thomas 3 years   
CAMPBELL William  28 years   
This could be the Campbell's, this is a big guess Susan migrated to Australia with her son and daughter in-law, as Margaret nee Campbell m in 1864 so presumably this William would be the brother to My Margaret ???

Thanks once again for all your hard work,

Fran
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 02:14 GMT (UK)
Have just tried to find a Susan Campbell nee Johnstone death certificate  had no luck!
Therefore I presume her maiden name was not listed....

Fran ???
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: cando on Tuesday 08 March 11 02:31 GMT (UK)
Fran I think the death certificate of William CAMPBELL would be a priority if I was doing this research.  As you mentioned that Margaret's parents were Owen CAMPBELL and Susan Unkown, I would definitely say William and Margaret are sisters.

Deaths in public institutions were always subject to enquiry.

I don't think the shipping passenger records are a 'big guess'.  Analyse the information about the family.  Dates of first born in Aus etc.

How many years were John and Margaret listed as living in Australia on their death certs?

You need certificates.

Cheers
Cando


Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 04:32 GMT (UK)
Yes thanks for that I'm going to obtain that Williams dc today after failing to see Susan Campbell nee Johnstone DC, this will be next step. The age of William Campbell is  28 in 1888 and Margaret m in 1864 at 22yrs  so I presume it is possible. On Margret's DC there is no information regarding how long in Coloines, where as John Evans was said to of been in Australia for 32yrs in Victoria.

Thanks,

Fran 8)
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 05:47 GMT (UK)
Hi,
 Can you explain the following that you sent; This is likely the death of
Quote
Mrs Evans was visiting her brother Mr J Campbell "who lives a few chains down the street" at the time of the fire.  ???

Thanks,
Fran

P.s Yes I'm the one who is researching Evans.....
 
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 08:29 GMT (UK)
Yes Yes!! It did prove to be v fruitful indeed! William Campbell's death certificate proved that he was indeed the brother to my Margaret Evan's nee Campbell and that it is most likely that he arrived with family and Mother as you said. I now can start linking his family with Margaret's. My problem is that I cannot find the death of Mrs Susana Campbell I have tried to see if she remarried but to no avail. I also can say that the Campbell,s were native of a place called Woodfield/Woodfied Rosscommon, Ireland, so I am now hoping to trace Owen Campbell. I do not know if John Evans mother was a Annie Keohan as said on marriage cert or on John's death which states Hannie....

Thankyou so much you are a gem!

Fran
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: cando on Tuesday 08 March 11 08:54 GMT (UK)
Fran if you re-read the thread you will see where Judb posted the information and link to the newspaper snippet about the fire at Mrs EVANS while she was visiting her brother Mr J CAMPBELL.  It is a good idea to read all the links posted on the thread.

It is possible that Susan WILLIAMS returned to Ireland.  I couldn't see a death for her in the indexes. It is also possible that she remarried and her death registration may have parents unknown.  I will have another search later.  It may be worth re-visiting the Lismore cemetery records.

I am a great believer in pursuing every small detail eg all the information on certificates.  So often people mention certs and say that have hit a brickwall and when all the information on the cert is either detailed on the board or the cert is emailed to me, leads are often so obvious.

You may like to post for help on the Roscommon board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,75.0.html

You are seeking information about Townland Woodfield, Parish of Ardcarn, Co Roscommon.

Good luck.

Cheers  :)
Cando
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 09:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that I will re read that info!!
The reason I'm thinking that Susan Campbell nee Johnstone did not leave Australia is that a Mrs Evans obtained a plot at Lismore cementry in 1897.

Fran ;D
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Tuesday 08 March 11 10:17 GMT (UK)
Judith thanks for that article on the Evan's re fire it was very helpful.

Fran :D
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Sunday 17 September 17 07:40 BST (UK)
I have a Elizabeth Evans b.1870 Darlington, Victoria who is the daughter of John and Margaret Evans but I'm unable to find a death or marriage can anyone help?

Thanks
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Essie on Sunday 17 September 17 08:08 BST (UK)
A Marriage and Death

Elizth Mary EVANS
Birth Place recorded as LISMORE
Married Wm MOORE in 1893
Reg #3203

Eliz May MOORE aged 23 died 1893 G Long Hosp
Father Jno EVANS
Mother Margt CAMPBELL
Reg #14239

Essie
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: muss on Sunday 17 September 17 08:26 BST (UK)
hi   
 death  notice
 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150745401?searchTerm=Elizabeth%20moore&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=189|||l-year=1893|||l-category=Family+Notices

Muss
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: muss on Sunday 17 September 17 08:33 BST (UK)
Hi 

Marriage  http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150287183?searchTerm=Elizabeth%20moore%20%20evans&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=189|||l-year=1893

Muss
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Sunday 17 September 17 08:43 BST (UK)
Thanks :) :)
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 17 September 17 09:44 BST (UK)
You could search here to see her burial.
http://mapping.gct.net.au:8080/

She is with 2 others.
Perhaps they were related to her. Perhaps not. ;)

Sue
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 17 September 17 11:06 BST (UK)
Deleted as incorrect information

Added:

Geelong Eastern Cemetery
Elizabeth Mary MOORE
EAS-PRES-OLD-A-807-124
Presbyterian
Row: OLD
Grave: 124
Service Date: 6 October 1893
Age: 23

Buried with: Mary Ann Wainwright 31-5-1882 aged 43 and Eliza Colbert 22-5-1923 aged 81

Mary's death: parents James Stennsway and Charlotte Hall. Husband James

Eliza's: parents James Colbert and Mary Walker

Jamjar
Title: Re: John EVANS/Margaret CAMPBELL
Post by: Freya Ellingsen on Sunday 17 September 17 12:35 BST (UK)
They r not related to her directly, perhaps her Husband or is it a common grave?
Interesting I was not expecting that.....