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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Freya Ellingsen on Saturday 05 March 11 13:26 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans they married in Geelong and farmed in the Derrinallum area of Victoria and are buried in Lismore Victoria. They were know to have the following children; John, henry, Susan, Mary Anne, Charolette, Elizabeth and Margaret. Any info would be helpful.
Fran ::)
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Hi Fran, Without any year of arrival in Victoria to go on it would be a bit difficult to work out the correct family. The Newspapers here may offer some assistance in family notices. For early records the Melbourne Argus from around 1849 on may be the best help. If you can post dates of known information someone may be able to find the particular family.
Neil
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
http://www.camperdownhistory.org.au/research.html
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When you say you are looking for information, is there something specific, such as marriage or birth details you are needing.
It may save time for helpers if we know what isalready in hand and what sources you have explored.
:D
Sue
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Their burials at Lismore - detailed to help find other records.
EVANS, John born c1837 and died 8 Mar 1884 - Husband of Margaret
EVANS Margaret born c1842 and died 11 Sep 1924 - Wife of John
Their marriage
EVANS John
CAMPBELL Margaret
1864 Reg#2943
This certificate would help you with their ages and places of birth and the names of their parents.
You can purchase an image online [$17.50] and immediately download
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Information on all certificates in Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Deaths
EVANS John
Father Wm Mother Hanie QUOCEE
47 years at Lismore 1884 Reg#1750
EVANS Margaret
Parents unknown
At Kew 83 years 1924 Reg#10456
Their death certificates should note the years in Australia which if accurate may help you find them on shipping records.
The children and their years of birth...a little different to the order given by you. All born at Darlington.
EVANS Susan 1865 Reg#21908
EVANS Mary Ann 1867 Reg#21636
EVANS Elizabeth 1870 Reg#15563
EVANS Margaret 1871 Reg#23055
EVANS John Johnstone 1873 Reg#16339
EVANS Charlotte 1875 Reg#22224
EVANS Henry Francis 1878 Reg#8369
Advertisement - John EVANS, Derrinallum
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4z/
On 26 Jan 1884 a John EVANS of Derrinallum advertised the lease of his land by tender for ten years.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4x/
Advertisement re his estate
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c4y/
Estate - Leased land to let
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c50/
If you purchase some certs with John and Margaret's place of birth and parents, we can then hopefully find them on census prior to emigration.
Cheers :)
Cando
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A few snippets -
PROV has a digiitsed will for Margaret EVANS died 11 September 1924, widow, of Derrinallum, Victoria. She leaves all to her two daughters Margaret and Charlotte.
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/probate.asp
NLA newspapers has an account of a fire which competely destryed a house owned by Mrs Evans and Sons in Derinallum in 1904. Mrs Evans was visiting her brother Mr J Campbell "who lives a few chains down the street" at the time of the fire.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/30355252?searchTerm=evans%20lismore&searchLimits=exactPhrase
The death of Charlotte is mentioned in the Camperdown Chronicle Friday 19 May 1944, stating that her parents were pioneers of the district.
An article on the selection of land at Lismore and Koort Koort Nong in 1865 gives the name of a John Russell Evans, contractor of Melbourne
The Argus, Friday 9 June 1865
Edit to add - this is not the right chap as there is a marriage for John Russell EVANS in 1865 to Sarah Mckeirnin
Cheers, Judith
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Thank you all, yes they were M in Geelong @ ST MARY'S Catholic Church29 Aug 1864, marriage certificate states that
Margarets parents were a Owen and Susan Campbell (no dates) Johns parents were a William Evans and a Anne Keohan. It also tells me that Margaret was from Rosscommon and that John came from Co. Fermanagh. John was born in abt 1838 d. 1884 and Margaret abt 1842 d. 1924. They are both buried at Lismore Cemetery Victoria. There is a plot obtained by a Mrs Evans for a Mrs Campbell? at Lismore... There is a Grave of the Evans is still in good condition it stands up right abutting the Grave of Margaret and John Evans is a Grave which states Henry Evan 1941, according to cemetery records within this grave is Charlotte d. 1944 & Margaret Evans jun d.1954. The first born child Susan was born at Larra Station Darlington area...
Thanks,
Fran
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Looking for information on Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans they married in Geelong and farmed in the Derrinallum area of Victoria and are buried in Lismore Victoria. They were know to have the following children; John, henry, Susan, Mary Anne, Charolette, Elizabeth and Margaret. Any info would be helpful.
Fran ::)
Thank you all, yes they were M in Geelong @ ST MARY'S Catholic Church29 Aug 1864, marriage certificate states that
Margarets parents were a Owen and Susan Campbell (no dates) Johns parents were a William Evans and a Anne Keohan. It also tells me that Margaret was from Rosscommon and that John came from Co. Fermanagh. John was born in abt 1838 d. 1884 and Margaret abt 1842 d. 1924. They are both buried at Lismore Cemetery Victoria. There is a plot obtained by a Mrs Evans for a Mrs Campbell? at Lismore... There is a Grave of the Evans is still in good condition it stands up right abutting the Grave of Margaret and John Evans is a Grave which states Henry Evan 1941, according to cemetery records within this grave is Charlotte d. 1944 & Margaret Evans jun d.1954. The first born child Susan was born at Larra Station Darlington area...
Thanks,
Fran
Fran I am wondering what other information you are seeking as you mention Any info would be helpful
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi,
Yes the info I put up is all I have on my Evans/Campbells.
I would really like to go further finding out more on both Margaret Evans and John Evan's parents , as I mentioned Margaret was born in Rosscommon and John was born in Fermanagh Ireland. I believe that John's parents were: William Evans and a Anne Keohan where Margret's mother is a Susan with no maiden name given and her father is said to of been a Owen Campbell.
These names were on there marriage certificate of Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans so i am presuming that they are correct but as you know spelling may be wrong ,witness were a Catherine and a John Bolger which gives no clues.
I am hoping to get some clue as to where in both theses counties they lived. I cannot place a family of Campbells in the shipping records as i have no idea when they may of entered in Australia! Margaret could of migrated separately, but I did find a record at the Lismore cemetery that stated a Mrs Evan's purchased a plot for a Mrs Campbell... Where as John Evans I also have no clues of his entry into the country nor his family ???
Regards,
Fran
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Also this is my Margaret Evans who died at Kew mental hospital of TB!
EVANS Margaret
Parents unknown
At Kew 83 years 1924 Reg#10456
The following were her children:
EVANS Susan 1865 Reg#21908
EVANS Mary Ann 1867 Reg#21636
EVANS Elizabeth 1870 Reg#15563
EVANS Margaret 1871 Reg#23055
EVANS John Johnstone 1873 Reg#16339
EVANS Charlotte 1875 Reg#22224
EVANS Henry Francis 1878 Reg#8369
My line is Mary Ann Evans, I can trace her sister Susan Evans to Werribbee she m a John Darlymple, but the others never married as far as I know. The three younger Evans females were named in both their Mothers and Fathers wills, also were the two males. The wills give me no clues on where in Ireland they came other than the counties.
Fran :-[
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i have no idea when they may of entered in Australia!
Fran
John and Margaret's death certificates should detail their years in Australia ie if known to the informants?
Margaret was born in Rosscommon and John was born in Fermanagh Ireland. I believe that John's parents were: William Evans and a Anne Keohan where Margret's mother is a Susan with no maiden name given and her father is said to of been a Owen Campbell.
Ah the joys of research in Ireland :( You are seeking records pre civil reg and need to know the parish and townlands.
This is likely the death of Mrs Evans was visiting her brother Mr J Campbell "who lives a few chains down the street" at the time of the fire.
Perhaps this is another brother?
CAMPBELLWilliam
Father Campbell Owen Mother Susana JOHNSTONE
At Lismore 79 years 1926 Reg#14480
EVANS John Johnstone 1873 Reg#16339 - son of John and Margaret.
Some other CAMPBELL deaths at Lismore with father Wm - have no idea if this is your family...you need some certs.
CAMPBELL William John
Father Campbell Jno Wm Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 45 years 1923 Reg#11110
CAMPBELL Julia Torpey
Father Campbell William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 50 years 1930 Reg#14216
Julia is buried at LISMORE
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~marr/CEMINDEX.HTML
[Perhaps you are the snugent noted as a researcher for John and Margaret EVANS at Lismore on the above website]
Now searching for CAMPBELL deaths with parents William and Elizabeth MURRAY
CAMPBELL Thomas
Father Campbell William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Geelong 78 years 1949 Reg#20748
Geelong Eastern Cemetery
Location RC*40***433
Register # 21982
CAMPBELL Thomas 78 years
Date of service 20 Jul 1949
Date of Death 18 Jul 1949
Interred at the same location
Register#24827
CAMPBELL Mary Ann 81 years
Date of service 29 Dec 1956
Date of Death 27 Dec 1956
Cheers
Cando
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Mention of Mrs Wm CAMPBELL and Mr EVANS
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c63/
Marriage of a Elizabeth Mary CAMPBELL dau of Wm CAMPBELL - mentions Mrs EVANS, aunt of the bride.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c65/
CAMPBELL Elizabeth Mary born Victoria
HERBSTREET James
1905 Reg# 7640
and her birth
CAMPBELL Elizabeth Mary
Father William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1879 Reg#24267
Julia's obituary
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c62/
Death of a Charles CAMPBELL at Derrinallum
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0c64/
The other births to William CAMPBELL and Elizabeth MURRAY
CAMPBELL William John
Father William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Darlington 1877 Reg#14797
CAMPBELL Julia Tropy
Father William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1881 Reg#10644
CAMPBELL Amaly Ada - died 1882 Lismore aged 5 months
Father William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1881 Reg#24564
CAMPBELL Charles George
Father William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore 1884 Reg#3616
CAMPBELL Rubena
Father William Mother Elizabeth MURRAY
At Lismore Reg#11564
I can't see a marriage in Vic and wonder if this is the family arriving - Bessy is often a nickname for Elizabeth. There are death for sons Thomas and William John who weren't born in Victoria.
CAMPBELL Bessy 27 years Arrived Sep 1874 on the DURHAM Port B Fiche 329 Page 007
CAMPBELL Margaret 2 years
CAMPBELL Susan 58 years [Could this be Margaret and William's mother Susan JOHNSTONE?]
CAMPBELL Susana 1 years
CAMPBELL Thomas 3 years
CAMPBELL William 28 years
Cheers
Cando
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Chando,
Thanks v much for all your work ;D
Regarding death certificates of Margaret nee Campbell and John Evans, there was no name place on both death certificates, as mentioned Margaret died at Kew Mental Hospital, on certificate was not much at all except her age & born Ireland, stated husband unknown, I was able to confirm that it was her as it stated she lived at Derrinallum and I did locate her grave where she is buried with John Evans all dates match up, the graves of their unmarried children abut their own grave, but it did not tell me much more except confirm i was on the right tram. She died at Kew Mental Hospital of Bronco pneumonia/TB a inquiry to her death was held, her coffin travelled by train to Lismore for her funeral service and a burial at Lismore.
I have found several death notices in Trove of her children and a article on her youngest daughter who received her school certificate along with two named Campbell, a Hannah and Annie ???Today found the following which could be Mrs S Campbell: New licences have been
issued to...
Darlington ; Susan . Campbell,, 10. acres,
Tooliorook,
Camperdown Chronicle
Tuesday 8 June 1880 p.2
I can say I am positive that the Susanna nee Johnstone must be the Mother of my Margaret!
Shipping;
CAMPBELL Bessy 27 years Arrived Sep 1874 on the DURHAM Port B Fiche 329 Page 007
CAMPBELL Margaret 2 years
CAMPBELL Susan 58 years [Could this be Margaret and William's mother Susan JOHNSTONE?]
CAMPBELL Susana 1 years
CAMPBELL Thomas 3 years
CAMPBELL William 28 years
This could be the Campbell's, this is a big guess Susan migrated to Australia with her son and daughter in-law, as Margaret nee Campbell m in 1864 so presumably this William would be the brother to My Margaret ???
Thanks once again for all your hard work,
Fran
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Have just tried to find a Susan Campbell nee Johnstone death certificate had no luck!
Therefore I presume her maiden name was not listed....
Fran ???
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Fran I think the death certificate of William CAMPBELL would be a priority if I was doing this research. As you mentioned that Margaret's parents were Owen CAMPBELL and Susan Unkown, I would definitely say William and Margaret are sisters.
Deaths in public institutions were always subject to enquiry.
I don't think the shipping passenger records are a 'big guess'. Analyse the information about the family. Dates of first born in Aus etc.
How many years were John and Margaret listed as living in Australia on their death certs?
You need certificates.
Cheers
Cando
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Yes thanks for that I'm going to obtain that Williams dc today after failing to see Susan Campbell nee Johnstone DC, this will be next step. The age of William Campbell is 28 in 1888 and Margaret m in 1864 at 22yrs so I presume it is possible. On Margret's DC there is no information regarding how long in Coloines, where as John Evans was said to of been in Australia for 32yrs in Victoria.
Thanks,
Fran 8)
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Hi,
Can you explain the following that you sent; This is likely the death of
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Mrs Evans was visiting her brother Mr J Campbell "who lives a few chains down the street" at the time of the fire. ???
Thanks,
Fran
P.s Yes I'm the one who is researching Evans.....
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Yes Yes!! It did prove to be v fruitful indeed! William Campbell's death certificate proved that he was indeed the brother to my Margaret Evan's nee Campbell and that it is most likely that he arrived with family and Mother as you said. I now can start linking his family with Margaret's. My problem is that I cannot find the death of Mrs Susana Campbell I have tried to see if she remarried but to no avail. I also can say that the Campbell,s were native of a place called Woodfield/Woodfied Rosscommon, Ireland, so I am now hoping to trace Owen Campbell. I do not know if John Evans mother was a Annie Keohan as said on marriage cert or on John's death which states Hannie....
Thankyou so much you are a gem!
Fran
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Fran if you re-read the thread you will see where Judb posted the information and link to the newspaper snippet about the fire at Mrs EVANS while she was visiting her brother Mr J CAMPBELL. It is a good idea to read all the links posted on the thread.
It is possible that Susan WILLIAMS returned to Ireland. I couldn't see a death for her in the indexes. It is also possible that she remarried and her death registration may have parents unknown. I will have another search later. It may be worth re-visiting the Lismore cemetery records.
I am a great believer in pursuing every small detail eg all the information on certificates. So often people mention certs and say that have hit a brickwall and when all the information on the cert is either detailed on the board or the cert is emailed to me, leads are often so obvious.
You may like to post for help on the Roscommon board.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,75.0.html
You are seeking information about Townland Woodfield, Parish of Ardcarn, Co Roscommon.
Good luck.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thanks for that I will re read that info!!
The reason I'm thinking that Susan Campbell nee Johnstone did not leave Australia is that a Mrs Evans obtained a plot at Lismore cementry in 1897.
Fran ;D
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Judith thanks for that article on the Evan's re fire it was very helpful.
Fran :D
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I have a Elizabeth Evans b.1870 Darlington, Victoria who is the daughter of John and Margaret Evans but I'm unable to find a death or marriage can anyone help?
Thanks
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A Marriage and Death
Elizth Mary EVANS
Birth Place recorded as LISMORE
Married Wm MOORE in 1893
Reg #3203
Eliz May MOORE aged 23 died 1893 G Long Hosp
Father Jno EVANS
Mother Margt CAMPBELL
Reg #14239
Essie
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hi
death notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150745401?searchTerm=Elizabeth%20moore&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=189|||l-year=1893|||l-category=Family+Notices
Muss
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Hi
Marriage http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150287183?searchTerm=Elizabeth%20moore%20%20evans&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=189|||l-year=1893
Muss
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Thanks :) :)
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You could search here to see her burial.
http://mapping.gct.net.au:8080/
She is with 2 others.
Perhaps they were related to her. Perhaps not. ;)
Sue
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Deleted as incorrect information
Added:
Geelong Eastern Cemetery
Elizabeth Mary MOORE
EAS-PRES-OLD-A-807-124
Presbyterian
Row: OLD
Grave: 124
Service Date: 6 October 1893
Age: 23
Buried with: Mary Ann Wainwright 31-5-1882 aged 43 and Eliza Colbert 22-5-1923 aged 81
Mary's death: parents James Stennsway and Charlotte Hall. Husband James
Eliza's: parents James Colbert and Mary Walker
Jamjar
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They r not related to her directly, perhaps her Husband or is it a common grave?
Interesting I was not expecting that.....