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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: Montana272 on Friday 18 March 11 19:12 GMT (UK)
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Robert Marshall married Margaret Whitehead in Leslie Fife in 1825. They had a least one daughter that I know of named Margaret. I have nothing else.
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do you have daughter margarets birth? there is a family in the 1851c in Dunfermline:
Robert Marshall 52 brewer (b. 1799 dunfermline)
Margret Marshall 42
John Marshall 19
Wiar Marshall 12
Mary Marshall 10
Margret Marshall 6
Agness Marshall 2
so doen't quite fit as no Leslie - foud marriage on SP 4/2/1825.
Diddy
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ah - see you have gone for the other 1851 on your tree on A*.
Diddy
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fife death index - to consider..
1/4/1829 chd of Robert marshall, leslie
7/4/1851 Robert marshall leslie; age nk; hawker of stoneware
death sudden - in Pathhead - see Fifeshire journal 8 April or Fifeshire advertise 12/4/1851
might be worth seeing if you get a copy of these fron library as might give relatives names etc.
Diddy
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Thanks, were did you find that? Is that in Ancestory.com? This would make sense. Here is what I had typed before I got this message Leslie fife is where Margaret marshall was born 1835. I am really not sure about that other 1851 census in Dunfermline. Seems like they were more congregated in the Fife area. I can't even get to those census however to view them again, as I have not decided it would be worth another $30 when I am stuck and thought I went over all of them. I know that Robert and Margaret his wife died by 1858 as stated on their daughters (margaret) marriage cert. I think I found the child Margaret listed as visitor of some people named Critchon listed in the 1841 census. Margaret the child eventually married James Gibson. The strange part is I found The census for James Gibson as a boy in 1841 in Midlothian and there was a MARY Marshall and her son ALexander Marshall living with them. No child Margaret thou? Maybe she was visiting the Critchons in 1841. But searching for who Alexander's parents were I can't find a Mary Whitehead as the mother. Which would be the Mother I am looking for. But if this mary is married to Roberts brother (which I don't know) that would give me a clue as to who Roberts parents were....I think it is odd that Robert and Margret Marshall both died before 1858 and I wonder if they were older when they married. If you can can you see the 1841 Census for a Daniel Gibson living with Ann Gibson...and Henry, james, and then they also have a Mary Marshall and Alexander Marshall, can you see where these two were born? This maybe my only clue if I can find out who these two were. Thank you. This is driving me crazy. I do know that Robert Marshall was listed as a "traveler" so he could have been anywhere.
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I am so excited because I believe you found my missing link! Where can I go to purchase this record? How in the world did you find this? I have been searching for years! Thank you so much. I am sure this is him because his daughter was married in Kirkcaldy in 1858. I can't thank you enough.
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the fife death index CD is available form the fife FHS online. it lists pre 1855 deaths. i can send you a copy of the record by word doc if you PM me your email.
sorry ,been watching the rugby :'(
Diddy
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here is the 1841:
1841 Scotland Census
Daniel Gibson
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: Wester Portsburgh No. 29
Occupation: Hawker
Parish Number: 685/2
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Gibson 35
Anne Gibson 30
Henry Gibson 15
Margaret Gibson 6
James Gibson 3
Robert Gibson 1
Mary Marshal 40 b. scotland
Alexander Marshal 9 b. midlothian,scotland
email on its way with death record..
Diddy
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Thank you so VERY much. You are a godsend! Enjoy Rugby, sorry to be such a pest.
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sadly we lost the rugby by playing an appalling game. our only hope is that France beat Wales - and i NEVER thought i'd say that!!
off to play bridge instead...
Diddy ;D
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just checked that death on SP and although down as
8/8/1851 Robert Marchell, Dysart i think this might be him as record clearly says April 8 - 4 days after he died.
Diddy
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1851 census was 30/3/1851 so this is hom on the census:
1851 gallowtown, Dysart
Ann Drysburgh head 28
Helen " dau 3
Robert marshal lodger wid hawker b. leslie
Montana - sending you copy of full by email.
possible 3 bap for a Robert marshall 1807 fife.
Diddy ;D
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Thank you so much, this is amazing. You found the mising link. He was a Hawker, and he was widowed. I don't understand what it means by in the grave of David. It is strange too that Ancestry.com does not have this record. If they do have it then the name is spelled wrong for Ann's last name. It does not come up at all. Thank you so much again.
Deb
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7/4/1851 Robert marshall leslie; age nk; hawker of stoneware
death sudden - in Pathhead - see Fifeshire journal 8 April
Hi Montana this is from the local paper
Fifeshire Journal 8th April 1851
Sudden Death ---- Yesterday Robert Marshall Hawker of Stoneware,
belonging to Leslie, while plying his vocation here, called at the house
of one of our villagers in a state of partial intoxication and asked permission
to rest himself. He was put to into bed but not awakening at the time expected,
the women of the house on going to call him found him cold and lifeless.
The immediate cause of his death was Apoplexy, brought on by hard drinking.
I would assume he must have known this women quite well
to have been allowed to use her bed to rest,
maybe she was more than a villager, or has this women
some connection to the David Westwater with who Robert shared a grave,
when David Westwater wife Janet Thomson died in 1856
there was no room in Davids grave and she was buried in her son in laws grave of David Hoy.
NorrieG
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Thanks. After finding out that Robert was accused with Thomas Williamson, ( if I understand that correctly) It brought to mind a census of 1851 of a Margaret Marshall ( but the date of birth for my Margaret Marshall is off by about four years.) This Margaret Marshall is living with a Williamson family. It says in the relationship notes that Margaret Marshall is their "daughter" but then another child with the last name Donaldson is also listed as their " child" along with one other child with the last name also Williamson. I found it odd because the location was Patthead, address Mid Street. Patthead being the same location in the old newspaper clipping of where Robert died. The age of the head of the house David Williamson is 54 and his wife Hellen ( williamson) is 37 Roberts address in 1851 is Gallatown Fife, living there as a lodger to Ann Dryburgh. Am I grasping at straws that this might be the home in Pathhead of the Williamson's where he went to lay down and then died? This is so hard. I think I might have to give up. LOL
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7/4/1851 Robert marshall leslie; age nk; hawker of stoneware
death sudden - in Pathhead - see Fifeshire journal 8 April
Hi Montana this is from the local paper
Fifeshire Journal 8th April 1851
Sudden Death ---- Yesterday Robert Marshall Hawker of Stoneware,
belonging to Leslie, while plying his vocation here, called at the house
of one of our villagers in a state of partial intoxication and asked permission
to rest himself. He was put to into bed but not awakening at the time expected,
the women of the house on going to call him found him cold and lifeless.
The immediate cause of his death was Apoplexy, brought on by hard drinking.
I would assume he must have known this women quite well
to have been allowed to use her bed to rest,
maybe she was more than a villager, or has this women
some connection to the David Westwater with who Robert shared a grave,
when David Westwater wife Janet Thomson died in 1856
there was no room in Davids grave and she was buried in her son in laws grave of David Hoy.
NorrieG
I think that you are on to something there. I am going to try and look more into this and find out more about David Westwaters wife. Thank you so much for your help.
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Hi Deborah
Death Janet Thomson
Janet Thomson Dysart Sinclartown died 28.5.1856
Age 71
Widow of David Westwater ( Mason )
Cause Strangulation hernia ( 2 days )
Daughter of John Thomson & Alison Goodall
Norrie
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You are such a big help to me. Thank you so much. I have been laid off from work and searching helps me to keep from getting depressed. Yet I had not been able to afford it. LOL Thanks so much again.
Just want to also say how lucky you are to live in Scotland, the most beautiful country I have ever seen, in pictures. I love it so much.
Deb
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Hi Deborah
Death Janet Thomson
Janet Thomson Dysart Sinclartown died 28.5.1856
Age 71
Widow of David Westwater ( Mason )
Cause Strangulation hernia ( 2 days )
Daughter of John Thomson & Alison Goodall
Norrie
I hate to bother you but was Janet Thomson living alone in the 1841 & 1851 census? Do you have access for the census that you could check this for me if you please? I found an Ann Thomson that was married to John Marshall and she died in Dysart. The only thing is that her parents are Thomas Thomson and Isabella Watt? I came accross this by mistake and thought Umm Out of the three possiblilites for Roberts parents one of the parents did have a john born before a Robert. The only connection if any I could make, would be if Janet Thomson had a brother named Thomas thomson?
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for info - from the fife death index:
David Westwater, Dysart 26/9/1835 age 60, mason
father of Thomas Westwater (deceased)
Diddy
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Thank you very much. Sorry I just saw this. I got a job, so I have been in training. Thanks for searching for me. You are the BEST!
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Good luck with the new job!!
Diddy ;D
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Robert Marshall married Margaret Whitehead in Leslie Fife in 1825. They had a least one daughter that I know of named Margaret. I have nothing else.
James Marshall was born to a Robert and Margaret Marshall who lived in Leslie. James was born in 1831 and migrated to Australia and died on 5 Feb 1912 at New Lambton he was my Great Grandfather. James married Janet Andrews. Not sure if it is the same family.
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James Marshall was born to a Robert and Margaret Marshall who lived in Leslie. James was born in 1831 and migrated to Australia and died on 5 Feb 1912 at New Lambton he was my Great Grandfather. James married Janet Andrews. Not sure if it is the same family.
Do you happen to know what Margarets maiden name was? Or anything else that we might be able to tie together? I only know that Robert was a hawker from Leslie. Died in 1851 I do not know what happened to his wife Margaret Marshall. I know they married in 1825 and had my line a daughter born 1836 or so I was able to track her, no birth record thou. Can you tell me more about James? Here is my email address (*) Thanks! I can't wait to hear from you.
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hi montanna is this your child margaret
margaret marshall born dec 26 1835 baptised jan 31 1836 daughter of robert marshall and margaret aitken
sorry i just went back to the beginning and saw the mothers maiden surname this is another marshall.
beans
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Will the person who said that their Great Grandfather was James Marshall who move to Australia and married a Janet Andrew please contact me. I just found the connection and we are related. Thank you Deborah
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I got an email saying that my post was responded to, but when I looked nothing is here. Am I doing something wrong? I really would like to get in touch with John B. I just found out that we are related. I would like to know what else he may know about our family.
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Oh how I messed up part of my family tree. I am not related to the Marshall's in Fife or the Whiteheads. After years of searching this family It was brought to my attention that I had the wrong line. My Margaret Marshall did marry a James Gibson, but I found the wrong Margaret and James. I became very attached to the wrong family so it has been hard to let go, but My Margaret Marshall's father was David Marshall not Robert Marshall. And my James Gibson was James taylor Gibson. Mothers maiden name of Taylor. BIG SIGH