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James and Mary Anne married in 1864 in Clonlara, Co Clare. We know of at least four children born to this couple while they were living in Oranmore, Co Galway. They were Elizabeth b 1865, John b 1866, Amelia & James born 1868.
It seems Mary Anne died young in 1869 and is buried in the CoI graveyard in Oranmore. Six years later a James Black (her husband??) died and was buried in St Nicholas CoI Graveyard. This couple left very young children and I would dearly love to know what became of them as I can't find any of them on the 1901 or 1911 census.
Can anyone help.
Cheers
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For some reason, rootsireland.ie only has the following 3, all born in Oranmore CI parish to father James and mother actually listed under married name Mary Anne Black
Church Baptism Black Elizabeth Louisa 1865 Co. Galway
Church Baptism Black John William 1866 Co. Galway
Church Baptism Black James 1868 Co. Galway
I can see an Elizabeth Black that could fit the bill in the 1901 census, but note that there is a second Elizabeth Black born in Galway a year before Elizabeth Louisa per rootsireland.ie. here's the entry
Cut & paste 1901 census details removed- please see this link for the information:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Galway_South_Urban/Kilcorrey/1374888
I presume you probably already have the familysearch.org record of James & Mary Anne's marriage and also 3 of the 4 children you mention (John, Amelia and Elizabeth in this case). Mary Anne is referred to as Maria in all these records. However, if you don't have those post again and I'll post them.
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Hi
Thanks for your reply.
In the 1901 census I cannot find any of these CoI Black children - but by then the girls could have married and be listed under different surnames.
The Elizabeth and Mary Black you found are listed as RC and both unmarried, so I reckoned they were an unlikely match, unless taken in as children by an "aunt" (they are listed as nieces) who was Roman Catholic and therefore, reared as RC??
Strange that Mary Anne, the mother, should be recorded as Maria too.
Any other help would be appreciated.
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cgs/ gets you all 30-40 y.o. Galway born Blacks in all of Ireland on 1901 census.. 4 C Of I but no sign of yours...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cgv/ gets you all John Blacks 30-40 y.o. C of I on census
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cgw/ gets you all James Blacks 30-40 y.o. C of I on census.. just in case children were born elsewhere!
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Thanks Hallmark but still no sign of these four children. I would love to know what became of them.
Cheers
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Hi all
Its almost eight years since I posted this query, so I wonder if any new records have emerged to reveal what happened to these children.
Cheers
LH
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Tons!
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Marriage results for Black from 1885 to 1899
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James and Mary Anne married in 1864 in Clonlara, Co Clare. We know of at least four children born to this couple while they were living in Oranmore, Co Galway. They were Elizabeth b 1865, John b 1866, Amelia & James born 1868.
It seems Mary Anne died young in 1869 and is buried in the CoI graveyard in Oranmore. Six years later a James Black (her husband??) died and was buried in St Nicholas CoI Graveyard. This couple left very young children and I would dearly love to know what became of them as I can't find any of them on the 1901 or 1911 census.
Can anyone help.
Cheers
Hello,
I can see Amelia’s birth in 1868 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03416/2253010.pdf but not James.
I only mention for searching purposes.
Do you have James and Mary Anne’s family in case the children went there.
Heywood
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Death of MARY ANNE BLACK in 1869
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Galway
Deceased Age at Death 24
Returns Year 1869
Returns Quarter 3
Returns Volume No 14
Returns Page No 154
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James and Mary Anne married in 1864 in Clonlara, Co Clare. We know of at least four children born to this couple while they were living in Oranmore, Co Galway.
It seems Mary Anne died young in 1869 and is buried in the CoI graveyard in Oranmore.
Six years later a James Black (her husband??) died and was buried in St Nicholas CoI Graveyard.
Are these different g.yards??
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record of Mary Ann's burial in Oranmore 13.08.1869 aged 24 LINK (https://issuu.com/oranmoreheritage/docs/memories_in_stone)
M wife of a sub constable
As far as I am aware the graves in the church yard of St. Nicholas' Church in Galway City Centre is the only St. Nicholas Graveyard but not 100%
Elizabeth b. Feb 05 1865 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03580/2319724.pdf) #190; bap. Mar 23 1865
John b. Dec 09 1866 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03505/2288392.pdf) #492; bap. Jan 13 1867
Amelia b. Nov 04 1868 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03416/2253010.pdf) #286; no baptism shown but there is a baptism on Nov 28 1868 for a James BLACK - I wonder is this transcription an error as the original is not online
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There is a John W BLACK recorded as a RIC constable from Co. Clare who commenced in Dec 1897
There is a 1916 death of an RIC Pensioner, John William BLACK, in Roscommon Workhouse LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05243/4452827.pdf) #100
This unfortunately is NOT your John William BLACK as his father was a William BLACK a stonemason according to his marriage record LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10116/5681253.pdf)
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Thanks a million to all who've replied in the past twenty-four hours. After two decades of searching, I'm hoping some new information may emerge one day.
The difficulty is that the children would have been around 30 by the time of the 1901 census, so may be married (with surname changes) or have moved abroad.
I'll take your advice and continue searching..... and will talk to you all in another twenty years to discuss my progress! 🤢
Thanks again
LH
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Have you got the parents’ death certificates, particularly James.
Perhaps a relative was the informant.
Did both James and Mary Anne come from Clonlara?
Also is there now no James jr to look for?
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Is there stuff you are not telling?
Mary Anne died young in 1869 and is buried in the CoI graveyard in Oranmore.
Where did you get this?
Is she alone in grave??
Six years later a James Black (her husband??) died and was buried in St Nicholas CoI Graveyard
Where did you get this?
Is he alone in grave??
Graves aren't free... so why not get buried with daughter??
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Sorry... Graves aren't free... so why not get buried with wife??
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Hi again,
No, nothing I'm not telling.
To recap:-
My relative Mary Ann Warren of Kiltenanlea Parish, Clonlara, a spinster in 1864 (m) James Black, Sub Constable of Police, with the address "Clonlara". I know the parents and siblings of Mary Ann.
Fathers' names were John Warren, farmer (of Clonlara) and John Black, a land steward - but no address given.
I've searched for decades in vain but a friend recently found the couple in Oranmore and located their children. She discovered that Mary Ann died very young, leaving husband James with the children. It was this friend who told me where both Mary Ann and James was buried.
After this the trail goes cold...... so where did these kids end up? I can't locate them back in Clonlara, or with a family member.
Any further suggestions welcome.
Thanks again
LH
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Is she alone in grave??
Is he alone in grave??
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Hi
I don't know the answer to either of your two questions but wish I did.
Why do you ask, any suggestions?
LH
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James and Mary Anne married in 1864 in Clonlara, Co Clare. We know of at least four children born to this couple while they were living in Oranmore, Co Galway. They were Elizabeth b 1865, John b 1866, Amelia & James born 1868.
It seems Mary Anne died young in 1869 and is buried in the CoI graveyard in Oranmore. Six years later a James Black (her husband??) died and was buried in St Nicholas CoI Graveyard. This couple left very young children and I would dearly love to know what became of them as I can't find any of them on the 1901 or 1911 census.
Can anyone help.
Cheers
Do you have the death certificate for James Black. Is the death you refer to definitely Mary Anne’s husband?
It does seem odd that they would be buried in two different graveyards but I suppose it would depend on who organised the funeral.
Have you searched for a record for James?
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Hi
I don't know the answer to either of your two questions but wish I did.
Why do you ask, any suggestions?
LH
OK.
Why do I ask is...... I'm wondering what, if any, other name might be on a headstone.
Your friend told you where both Mary Ann and James was buried. How did she find out??
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Hi to you both
No, I don"t have Death Certs for either person. However a friend, who is far more experienced in genealogy than me, located the couple in Galway, having children, then dying a few years apart.
I can see an 1875 death of a 46 year old James Black in Galway.
Cheers
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Should have added that the James Black death, in the 4th quarter of 1875 in Galway, is on Irishgenealogy.ie
Cheers
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Yes I have seen the death.
It may well be him but you won’t know unless you have the death details.
Unfortunately the cemetery details are not online but maybe in the National Library - I think :-\
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/graveyards.php?civilparishid=1088&civilparish=St.%20Nicholas&search_type=full
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Hi to you both
No, I don"t have Death Certs for either person.
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Galway
Deceased Age at Death 24
Returns Year 1869
Returns Quarter 3
Returns Volume No 14
Returns Page No 154
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do