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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: t1m on Thursday 31 March 11 11:17 BST (UK)
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armagh20 wrote:
Hello Tim
I am born and bred in Blairgowrie,but left Blair a long time ago,I found this ref to the Blairgowrie Book by accident I was going to do some family research for my wife but?? that can wait.
My surname is Center my grandfather had a Smithy in the town,in Croft Lane,long gone,there was also a big house on the right hand side down Croft lane towards the Wellmeadow,have you come across any reference to the Center Family,early 1900s
There was also a house owned by the family down towards Rosemount,the Gatelodge.
Any information about my family I would be very gratefull.
Geo Center
I thought it best to start a new thread for you instead of sidetracking Boomeranger's thread on the Robertson family. You also might get better response than I can give you if the name of your family is in the topic title.
Unfortunately, I'm not Blairgowrie born. I was raised "up the glen" (near Kirkmichael), and went to school and spent money in the shops at Pitlochry. I only moved to Blairgowrie a few years ago.
My maternal ancestors originally come from Aberdeenshire (we believe), then spent a couple of generations in Angus (Forfarshire) before my great grandfather, James Davidson, moved to Blairgowrie in 1913 and opened a butcher's shop. He happened to be located on Perth Street, on the corner with Croft Lane (where Heart of Blair was at the time the Google street views were made), and he lived above the shop before renting a house on Newton Lane in later years. It seems he was a popular butcher, as I've been told by a few older members of the town that they would always be sent to buy some meat from "Mr Davidson". So your grandfather may have bought his Sunday roast from my great-grandfather!
My grandfather worked in the bank opposite, and in later years moved to Sri Lanka (then Ceylon) to work in a bank where my mother was born and raised. My mother did spend some childhood holidays in Blairgowrie picking berries and spending time with her cousins. It's possible she knows something of your family, and I will ask, but it isn't a surname I've heard or come across.
I'm sure you will have seen Croft Lane on Google street view. Sadly it's more car parks than crofts these days -- very functional!
As you'll understand now, my research is focused on the Angus (Monikie and Dundee) area, as well as Aberdeenshire. So there isn't much I can offer in the way of help for you. But if there's anything I can do for you here (taking photographs for example), then do let me know.
Tim
PS In the unlikely event that you ever come across a picture with my great grandfather's butcher shop in it, I'd love a copy! I'll update this thread once I've spoken to my mother.
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Hello Tim
Many thanks for your help,and a new thread is a good idea,I also was sent to get meat from Davidsons butcher shop,and grandfathers Smiddy was in Croft lane, all gone now,The Center,s came from Turiff/New Deer Aberdeenshire.
My father Geo Center used to box and train the youth to box,also was doing keep fit classes opp Quinns old picture house before he died.
I used to live at 75 West George St, I joined the army in 1960,ended up doing 30 years,good life,now living in N.Ireland
If I come across a photo of the shop, I will post to you.
There was photos of the high st on the Blairgowrie site,I am sure that you have looked at them.
Geo
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Hello Geo,
I asked my mother if she had ever heard of the Center family, but unfortunately she hasn't. I explained about him having a smithy on Croft Lane and so on. The only thing she suggested was that my great uncle Jack used to own the garage/lock-up behind the butcher shop, and he may have rented that out at some time as a smithy (speculation). But no information that you really wanted.
I was in the library (coincidentally on Croft Lane) a few days ago, and took the opportunity to look through some photocopied photographs they have in there for anything that might relate to your grandfather's smithy. There was a photograph of people repairing a cart-wheel, and another of (the same iirc) people making horseshoes, but I don't know what date they were taken, where or even what town -- no indication of whether or not they could have some relation to you.
Also I visited a couple of cemeteries last week and did look out for the Center surname (I don't know if any of your relatives died in Blairgowrie/Rattray), but again nothing turned up.
Tim
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Hello Tim
Sorry for the delay in replying to your post,the Center family are buried in the Perth road Cemetery,my mum & Dad, My Grand parents are also buried there but for some reason there is no stone.
I have some photos,I will try and post on here.
Many thanks for your help.
Joe
PS A friend of mine from Blair who I have not seen since 1974 in Hong Kong has been in touch also from Blair,Jim Cockburn,his father & Brother worked in an other good Butchers shop call Irvines on the Perth rd opp where the Coop used to be.
small world!!!
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Hello Geo,
I didn't think you had family who had died in Blair, but I looked on the off chance.
Irvines did better than my family's butcher shop. It's a little closer to town than where you say it used to be, but still on Perth Road -- I thought it had always been at the same location. They expanded the shop a year or two ago, and seems to be doing very well.
Tim
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Hello Tim
I tried to gain access to the Blairgowrie paper I have quite a few photos I would like to post,but it would not accept my password,I will try and post a photo of 1947/8 taken at Davie Park,my mother is 3rd from the left,4th from the left is my Aunt Nan Drummond & 7th from the left is my Aunt Cathy Young.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/LadiesKidsfromBlairgowrie001.jpg)
Regards
Joe
Another Blairgowrie Primary School Photo,this photo may have been taken at the school sports field out the Perth road,the first one may also have been taken there.
Can any one put names to faces?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/SportsdayBlairgowriePS001.jpg)
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My father, George Center with his Granny at The Lodge Blair House 1912
Where is The Lodge Blair House?
This is a photo of my Dad Geo Center with his Gran at The Lodge Blair House in 1912?
I have always thought this was down the Coupar Angus Rd towards Rosemount,my Cousin Davie Young is sure that it is just before the tennis courts on the Coupar Angus Road,he recognises the door & surroundings ,can any one verify this?
Joe
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/GeoCenterGran1912001.jpg)
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My father Geo Center 1928 Fly weight (8st)
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/GeorgeCenter1928001.jpg)
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A school photo could be Blairgowrie Primary School or church,1918-20s My father George or his brother Robert or sister Belle, could be in this old photo?
can any one put names to the faces?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/CenterfamilyBlairgowrie001.jpg)
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Blairgowrie Primary School 1918-20? my father George Center is 6th from the left,rear row. x above his head.
Can any one put names to faces?
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/GeorgeCenterSchoolphoto001.jpg)
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Black smith Smiddy 34 Croft Lane Blairgowrie George Center 1934
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/GeorgeCenterCroftLane001.jpg)
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Hello Geo,
You have some brilliant photographs. I have no pictures at all of my Scottish ancestry, so I'm quite jealous.
The picture of "The Lodge Blair House" has frustrated me. I'm sure I recognise the cleanly cut stone and distinctive shape of the door -- but I might very well not. It looks like the sort of house which belongs on Perth Road, Newton Street, or Keay Street -- that sort of area. I will stroll that way in the near future for you and see if I can spot the house.
I believe the primary school is Hill Primary School (Google street view: http://tinyurl.com/5uxuqd2). Not only because of the location, but also because of the stonework, the decorative stonework around the windows, and the width between the window "columns". If they took photographs then in the same way they did when I was at school (front row sitting on the ground, second sitting on benches, third standing on ground, fourth standing on benches) then I'd estimate the windows to be about the same height too. The school was closed last year and now the gates are locked securely, so I couldn't get in to see if the wall on the left of the photograph still remains. In contrast to the grills I could see and which are in the street view, the grill in the photograph is also above the sill of the window, but the design of the grill is the same.
I've just used street view to look at the back of the school (here: http://tinyurl.com/3ko8g2y), and noticed the grills are at just the right height -- between the first and second lighter tone decorative stones surrounding the windows. From what I can tell there is two windows of three columns at the back of the school, so I would think that is where your father was standing for his photograph. (Also notice the rounded top of the wall in your photograph, and the rounded top of the walls in the street view.)
More good news: the building which was your grandfather's smiddy still exists (street view: http://tinyurl.com/6cpg5hp). Look at the roof windows (two sets of three windows, now gone since the street view was taken), the size of the door, the gap between the window and the door, and the same narrow gap between the window and the roof, and the door and the roof. Unfortunately the gates to the building are always shut so there's no chance of a better picture. But I will look at the library blacksmith pictures I previously mentioned, and see if there are any similarities.
The church may be the church on James Street which is next to Hill Primary (you can see it in the background from the school street view). But there is also another church very nearby at the bottom of Kirk Wynd, and another on George Street (North/East end).
Tim
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Hello Tim
Thank you for your kind remarks,a quick reply as I am needed out in the garden,"The Lodge Blair House" there is two areas in Blair,first area,down croft lane towards the Wellmweadow the house on the right nearly opp the toilets,my family did live in that house at one time.the other area is down the Coupar Angus road towards Rosemount,there is an Lodge House on the Left side of the road,I remember my father talking about it?
Will be back on site later on
Joe
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Hello Tim
An other warm day,grass cut for an other week.
I also went to the Hill school,PS & High School, still looks the same.
The Church of Scotland top of the hill was the church my dad went to as a boy,I did go there but changed and went to St Catherine,s George st, it saved walking up the hill.
I will scan some more photos.
Many thanks for your help Tim
Joe
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Blairgowrie FC 1930s my father Geo Center was the trainor,back row the Towel over his shoulder.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/BlairgowrieJuniors1930s001.jpg)
Blairgowrie FC 1934
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/BlairgowrieJuniors1934001.jpg)
Davie Park.
Can any one put names to the faces?
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The Center Family 1924
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/TheCenterFamily1924001.jpg)
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Boxing Club Blairgowrie? 1932/3 my father front row 3rd from the right.
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/BoxingClub1932-3001.jpg)
can any one put names to the faces?
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The Lodge Blairgowrie House
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd319/gdcenter/BlairHouse.jpg
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Hi,
Stumbled across this thread from a few years ago whilst searching for info on Davidson's Butchers. James (Jack) Davidson was my Great Uncle his sister May Donnelly Davidson was my paternal Grandmother. She was born in Aylith but I think she lived in Blairgowrie until shortly after WWII.
Tim - I believe therefore that we are related! You refer to your Grandfather who moved to Ceylon - was his name Gordon? I recall my grandmother speaking about her brother in India or Ceylon - didn't he get an honour (MBE or OBE?). I think they had at least one other brother that I remember Frank. Last I can remember he lived in Perth but used to own Kindrogan East Lodge in Enochdu where we had childhood holidays.
Any info you can help with regarding the Davidson family in that area would be great we are starting on a family tree but the Scottish side is proving difficult!
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Hi,
Sorry to take so long (years!) to reply. I sent you a PM, and hopefully it will reach your email. But in case it doesn't, and you stumble across this thread again, please get back to me whenever you find it. We are related. :)
Tim
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Hi Tim
As far as I know I have no Center family in Ceylon how ever I could be wrong,
Regards
Joe
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Hi Joe,
You must have been notified because we chatted years ago (see beginning of thread).
I should have said, I was hoping to contact RFM66 who is a cousin of mine, and tried to contact me four years ago but apparently I've not set up my notifications.
Tim
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Hi Tim
I remember our exchange of information on the croft and the Davidson butcher shop.
I have sent a PM to RFM66 that you are trying to contact him hopefully RFM66 picks up on it.
The Blairgowrie & Rattary site has a lot of information on shops in Blair have you looked at it recently ?
Regards
Joe