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Title: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Sunday 10 April 11 18:49 BST (UK)
Greetings,

I recently discovered (via a relative on this board) that my ancestor John Day was "of Antigua" (verified by at least three sources).  He died before 20 September 1791 as indicated by his daughter Ann Day's marriage to my ancestor Thomas Lodington (at St. George the Martyr, Queen Square, Holborn, London on 20 September 1791).

This John Day also had two further children (and of course, potentially more as yet discovered), Elizabeth Day and Post Capt. William Day, R.N., Governor of Sierra Leone.

Elizabeth Day married Charles Wills Walrond (son of Main Swete Walrond, 5 Marquis de Vallado) on 18 May 1777 in Edinburgh.  The Walrond family are well documented in several sources and this branch were in Antigua.

Post Capt. William Day, R.N., Governor of Sierra Leone: he was governor of Sierra Leone twice, according to sources and it seems he died in 1805 (after 4 Nov).  I do not have anything further about him, apart from that he had 3 daughters:

1. Sarah Day (born circa 1800 in Yeovil, Somerset and died September Quarter 1886, Islington Registration District) married William Stewart Lodington (son of the above Thomas Lodington and Ann Day) and had issue 13 children
2. Ellen Day (2nd daughter) married Dr. David Barry Conway, R.N., a surgeon on 23 September 1828 in Lee, Kent and had issue a son and daughter
3. Harriet Day (born circa 1802, Kent Road, London) married Aaron Saul on 14 November 1820 at St. John the Baptist, Clerkenwell.  Aaron Saul was a labourer with the East India Company and on his son's marriage he is said to be a Missionary

I am therefore looking for further information in regards to the Day family, or at least some information as to where I can seek further information?

I do not know whether John Day was born in Antigua or just spent some time there (or even whether he had a plantation).  It is interesting to note that one of his granddaughters was born in Yeovil, whilst the other was born in London.  Perhaps the family had links to Somerset?

Also, I was curious as to whether there was any further information regarding Capt. William Day, R.N., Governor of Sierra Leone.  With him holding such an important position, I would have thought there maybe some further biographical information about him?

Any assistance is most welcomed on this.  I have not researched any form of Colonial ancestry before, so any help is appreciated.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: Downcraig on Tuesday 14 June 11 14:23 BST (UK)
Hi James
Saw yours re John Day and son William etc. I am descended from Elizabeth who married Chas Wills Walrond. I don't have much on John but found a will for Capt. William (Gov Sierra Leone). Have you seen it? It does not help much but kicks up a few tantalising clues which I have been trying to follow. I would like to know who John of Antigua's wife was and his parentage. So far no luck. William was married to a Sarah. Do you know her surname as you are directly descended from them through the second Lodington connection? I am trying to transcribe the will but quite difficult to read some parts. There is a mention of Colnbrook in Buckinghamshire but I think that is more through Sarah than William and a brother John as well as sisters Elizabeth and Ann (Mrs Thos Lodington, Thomas was named one of the Executors) and a son John. It also mentions a cousin Sarah someone - I can't read the surname properly but it could be Long or Gough or Bough or something completely different. Frustrating as it could point to an earlier generation. It also mentions a Mr Moore of Langley, Bucks and a George Charles Nixon but without explanation.

I also found a query in an Genealogy Directory of 1909 which asks for the surname of three sisters who married John Day of Antigua, John Taddy and Richard Harris of Maidstone in 1730-40s Also Bristol Records office apparently have some docs on a Day family of West Indies merchants which mentions a John Day son of James Day of Colon Parva, Cornwall. I have not been able to follow that one up and there is no obvious or verifiable link to John of Antigua from the limited info I found via internet searching.

Be interested to hear from you

Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Friday 19 August 11 02:24 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I have located marriage records for a John Day marrying Sarah Smith 25 Sep 1758 St Leonard's Shoreditch and a John Taddy marrying Susanna Smith  at St Clement Eastcheap 23 Jan 1745 and as yet have not been able to find a marriage for a Richard Harris of Maidstone marrying a Smith. Not easy to isolate the right Richard Harris. All the names Day, Smith and Harris are extremely common, so these may not even be relaed people but it's a start.
I have Ann Day (wife of Thomas Lodington) daughter of John Day and Sarah being born 13 Oct 1771 and baptised 8 Feb 1772 at St Andrew Holborn.

Oh for those who don't know my posts I am the 5 x great grandaughter of Ann Day and Thomas Lodington (I think that is the right number of greats)
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Wednesday 24 August 11 13:57 BST (UK)
James and Downcraig,
More to add: :)
Found the marriage register entry for Elizabeth Day and Charles Wills Walrond at Edinburgh May 18 1777. The text reads Charles Wills Walrond Esqur. Island of Antigua and Miss Elizabeth Day Parish of Edinb. Daughter of Mr Day deceased.
Then I have a marriage reference from the Gentleman's Magazine February 1777 - 15 John Day, Esq. of the Middle Temple, Advocate General in the East Indies, to Miss Ramus, of St. James palace. (Don't know if this one is related but it was of interest).
Then on Google Books look at "The Papers of Henry Laurens: January 1 1759 to August 31 1763" by Henry Laurens which has a letter to John Day 24 January 1763 referring to the loss of a Brigantine Portsmouth.
In his will William Day has two codicils and i the second one he refers to the children of his late brother John, his late sister Elizabeth Walrond and my sister Ann Lodington and my cousin Sarah (L?)ough of London. Date is Oct 22nd 1804...amount paid to Mrs Day Sierra Leone May 5 1805.
These at least give us more dates to reference for further research.
I have yet to source the parish registers of Antigua - the 3 volumes of History of Antigua have some register entries but only those referring to pedigrees detailed in the book that occur in Antigua. John Day is mentioned through the volumes as an executor or beneficiary in certain wills.
That's all I have for now,
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: Downcraig on Wednesday 24 August 11 14:11 BST (UK)
Hi Lorraine

Funnily enough I was just composing a response to your earlier one when I got a notification of another post.

Thanks for your info. I had seen the John Taddy entry but not the John Day one. It cuts things a bit fine for my Elizabeth Day daughter of John as she married in 1777 so would have had to have been born fairly soon after the 1758 marriage. May I ask the source of your info and also of the birth and baptism of Ann Day who married Thomas Lodington? Are you certain that the birth and baptismal dates are for that Ann? The Caribbeana volumes mention a John Day and his wife Elizabeth Yate, but they must have been an earlier generation and whether they were of the same family remains to be seen. They had a son John and a daughter, Anne but this was in a will dated 1715 with codicils up to 1723. Will continue to dig.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: nicca on Wednesday 24 August 11 21:46 BST (UK)
Interesting. I too am looking for the Day/Slaven family who migrated to the Cbean in 1920...The family migrated as Slaven; The father, Charles Slaven, was a mulatto born in Antigua (Mixed heritage;father a british colonnel (John Henry Slaven)and mother an Antiguan, possibly, black)..The mother Ada Louisa Day from East End, London, married name Slaven, and her daughter Edith "Edie" Mary Elizabeth Slaven and brother Albert Edward Slaven. Wondering as I read this post if the mother's Day roots are related to your  John Day?  The mother's father was Charles Day, born 25 Dec 1848, Holyhead, N. Wales...
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Thursday 25 August 11 10:19 BST (UK)
Hi Downcraig
The marriage record for Elizabeth Day and Charles Walrond is from the Old Parish Registers on ScotlandsPeople, I have downloaded the page so if you like I can email it to you. My email is *
Ann Day who married Thomas Lodington is quite obviously William's sister (stated in his will) and daughter of John Day of Antigua (Gentleman's Magazine 1791 pg873) - I have the image of this page also.
The dates are interesting, Elizabeth is not shown as a minor so would have been 21 on 18 May 1777 meaning she would have been born abt 1756 or before; Ann is shown as a minor on her marriage to Thomas with permission given by her guardian but no name is given, but this does not confirm her parents and birth record as I have - it could well be another Ann Day. There does seem to be quite a difference in their ages, though as yet I haven't found a birth for William of his brother John  - I would be open to suggestions that they were all born in Antigua as I saw something in one of the online books that suggests that William was born in Antigua. I think it may have been a history of Sierra Leone which I can only see a snippet view of on Google books and here in Australia I need to go to Canberra as the National Library has a copy.
Lorraine
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Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Saturday 03 September 11 10:33 BST (UK)
Guys,
I have now been to Canberra and accessed the History of Sierra Leone which has a couple of pages that refer to William Day. He appears to have had gout which he ended up apparently dying of in 1805.
It is stated in the book that he was born in the West Indies, unfortunately I didn't check the bibliography to see where the author came by that information, but will check the book again when I can. It is mentioned in the book that William "...Day returned to England in 1803 and gave the Parliamentary Committee a glowing account of what his enthusiasm had affected"

Now James, I came across a reference today that is for a John Day Lodington who married in Western Australia in 1854 and died in Victoria. I have yet to find a reference to his parents, an interesting aside.

Some other information about Thomas Edward Lodington - The baptism record in Paris for Edward Clarence Lodington shows that Thomas was there serving with the 53rd. Candler was indeed born at sea on board the London and the master of the ship was Samuel Candler, so that is where his name comes from, babies born at sea were often named after the captain or the surgeon.

Now Thomas Edward Lodington's regimental number with the 53rd was 976 and the year associated with it was 1816. Found this on the website "King's Own Royal Regiment Museum, Lancaster".

Candler Lodington, son of Thomas Edward Lodington was a sailor, as you know, he was awarded the China Medal for the First China War or Opium War and served on thePylades. His service record can be found at the National Archives at ADM 29/46/44.

I also found the 1901 census for Beverley Edwards (76), furniture dealer, and his family, his wife is shown as Ruby (77), born Dorset, and his daughter Matilda (34) is still living at home.

That's it for now.
Hope it helps,
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 03 October 11 22:42 BST (UK)
Greetings everyone,

I somehow missed these replies!  I did check my e-mails but maybe missed them.

I mentioned in another message on this forum about my Day family which maybe of use.  I shall also go through these messages thoroughly and get back to you all with my thoughts.

Downcraig, Colnbrook is right next to Langley in Buckinghamshire (I had family associated with that area for many years), so there could be a link there.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 03 October 11 22:46 BST (UK)
Then I have a marriage reference from the Gentleman's Magazine February 1777 - 15 John Day, Esq. of the Middle Temple, Advocate General in the East Indies, to Miss Ramus, of St. James palace. (Don't know if this one is related but it was of interest).

Zing!

I have a Ramus (or possibly Ramsay) marrying a Lodington.

Ann Lodington (born 19 September 1795, christened 10 Dec 1795, Old Church, St. Pancras), daughter of Thomas Lodington and Ann Day, married George Ramus on 26 September 1828 in Wandsworth, Surrey.

On Familysearch his name is Ramus.  In Thomas Lodington's will, he notes a daughter Mrs. Ramsay.

Addendum:

Her name was Benedicte Ramus and she married John Day on 15 February 1777 at St. Martin in the Fields, Westminter (so St. James' Palace would fit for this).

According to an entered entry on FamilySearch, this Sir John Day was born 1 June 1738 at Kew and died 11 June 1808.  She was the daughter of Nicholas Ramus and Benedicte Couvert and died 20 May 1811.  I'll follow him up... he may well have a link but it's looking unlikely, despite my own link to to the Ramus family.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 03 October 11 22:56 BST (UK)
I'm copying this from the other thread, as it is very much of interest here:

I forgot some things that I am not sure if I mentioned before.  If I have, then many apologies.  Sometimes though it is worth going over old ground.

A while back I found a link in a Google Book (although not the direct link the book, there is mention of it here: http://newsfeed.rootsweb.com/th/read/HOLLIDAY/1999-09/0937485980) for a christening for a John Day, at St. James Garlickhithe, London for 12 August 1733.  The source was about apprenticeships.  Anyhow, in it, it notes he was the son of John Day (a wax chandler) and Lydia.  He was admitted from St. James Garlickhithe to his mother Lydia Day to serve Mr. John Holliday, of Antigua, merchant, on 3 February 1748.

The John Holliday alias Halliday in question might be the one who married Elizabeth Delap (by license) on 17 December 1741 at St. Paul's Church, Antigua.

Their issue included:

1. Francis Halliday, chr. 12 January 1743, St. John's, Antigua
2. John Delap Halliday, of the Leasowes, Shropshire, born 29 September 1749, chr. 23 November 1749, St. John's, Antigua and died 24 July 1794, Leasowes, Salop (married and had issue)
3. William Halliday, chr. 19 December 1751, St. John's, Antigua (married)
4. Margaret Delap Halliday, born 1753 (married)
5. Francis Delap Halliday, christened 30 October 1758 in Richmond upon Thames, Surrey and died 6 November 1794, Fyfield, Hampshire
6. Elizabeth Halliday

Some of their children and grandchildren married into gentry familes, including the Tollemache, Stratford , Wolseley and the French comte de Noé's.

Of course, I do not believe there is a family link between the Days and the Hallidays but I would not be surprised to find there is, either.


Do you think it likely the John Day above is the same individual who was later "of Antigua" and the father of Elizabeth, Ann and Post-Capt. William Day, R.N., Governor of Sierra Leone?

The date of christening definitely seems to fit.

Any thoughts on this would be most welcomed.

Addenda: John Day and Lydia had two further issue:

Margaret Day, christened 12 November 1735 at St. James, Garlickhithe
Harbitt Day (male), christened 12 June 1737 at St. James, Garlickhithe and buried 10 September 1737 at St. James, Garlickhithe

The name Harbitt is unusual.  It could relate to a surname of a family member or it may be a complete red-herring.  I did some searching before without much luck.

Further to the above, I also found this:

http://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?div=GLCCMC25105MC251050320

To quote:

Court day Continued October the 3d: 1732

Johnson to Day
Consented That John Johnson Son of Robert Johnson of the Parish of Saint James-
Garlickhith London Labourer bound to Thomas Banbury Citizen and Carpenter of London having
Sued out his Indentures be assigned to John Day Citizen and Wax Chandler sed arte
Carpenter for the remainder of his Apprenticeshipp

I hope this of some use to you and may help us get a bit closer to finding out more about the Day family.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 03 October 11 23:03 BST (UK)
One more thing before I do some searching:

I notice you found a John Day and Sarah Smith marriage.

The surname Smith is quite prevalent in the Lodington tree.  These Smiths are all related as well.  So it could be the case that if this is the correct marriage for John Day, then his wife could conceivably be related to the Smiths who married into the Lodingtons.

Just a thought.

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 03 October 11 23:19 BST (UK)
Yet another post from me!  I just spotted something on my database:

Nathaniel Lodington, of Putney, buried 24 January 1706, St. Mary, Putney and son of Stephen Lodington, of St. Olave's, Bread Street, London and his wife Elizabeth Neesham, of Kingston upon Thames, Surrey (daughter of Thomas Neesham and his wife Cattalina Johnson) apparently married a Jeane Smith.  Her father is supposedly a John Smith, I have noted she has three siblings, viz.

1. Col. William Smith, born 2 February 1655 in Newton Bromswold, Northamptonshire, christened 15 Feb 1655, St. Peter's Church, Newton Bromswold and died 18 February 1705/05, St. George's Manor, Setauket, Brook Haven, Suffolk County, New York
2. Elizabeth Smith married John Erlisman, consul at Tangier
3. Susannah Smith

Can anyone hunt down who the father is and whether he could be related to the Smiths who married into the Days?

Also worth noting is that although I know the father of Nathaniel Lodington, of Putney (Stephen Lodington), I cannot fit them into my own Lodington family. 

Nathaniel Lodington was a Consul in Malta and Tripoli.

This is the source for the above: http://brookhavensouthhaven.org/hamletpeople/tng/getperson.php?personID=I6513&tree=hamlet


Addendum: for all those reading with a descent from Thomas Lodington and Ann Day, I have some excellent news.  We can all trace our lineage back to Charlemagne, as well as more directly through Aethelred II, Henry I and although not a royal, Rollo, duc de Normandie and ancestor of William I., King of England, duc de Normandie (aka William the Conquerer).

This is through several lines but some are a bit shaky.  One is fairly solid though, I believe.  Another I am trying to determine, as I know the wife of Richard Hereford, of Sufton Court, was of the Pershall (aka Persall/Pearsall) family and thus she is a descendant of Aethelred II., the Unready and likely several other monarchs.

If you require details as to these lineages and would also like to assist me in shoring up some of them, I would be most grateful.  You maybe even find errors in my own data.

If you want to start though, I shall highlight some of the lineage below:

1. Thomas Lodington and Ann Day
2. Thomas Lodington and Elizabeth Moore
3. Thomas Lodington and Anne Broade
4. Rev. Thomas Broade, M.A., B.A., rector of Chaldon, Surrey and Ann Lodington (I've yet to fit her in by I have an idea who she might be)
5. Rev. Francis Broade, M.A., B.A., prebendary of Hereford Cathedral and Anne Hereford
(5. Rev. Thomas Broade, of Mordiford, Herefordshire and Margery Hereford)
6. James Hereford, of Sufton Court, Herefordshire and Hester Holmes
7. Roger Hereford, of Sufton Court, Herefordshire and Frances Rodd (parents of both Margery Hereford and James Hereford above)
8. Richard Hereford, of Sufton Court and Margaret Pershall (there's a lot of doubt, in my mind, about her supposed father in the online records I've found)

The proven royal lineage however comes through the Holmes:

1. Hester Holmes and James Hereford
2. Robert Holmes, of Netherton, Gloucestershire and Elizabeth Kyrle
3. Francis Kyrle, High Sheriff of Herefordshire and Hester Tracy
4. Sir Paul Tracy, Bt., Sheriff of Gloucestershire and Anne Shakerley
5. Richard Tracy, Sheriff of Gloucestershire and Barbary Lucy
6. Sir Thomas Lucy, of Charlecote and Elizabeth Empson
7. Edmund Lucy, of Charlecote and Jane Ludlow
8. Sir William Lucy, of Charlecote and Margaret Brecknock
9. William Lucy, of Charlecote and Eleanor Grey

The Lucy's continue on through to Bernard the Dane (although it is within question)

10. Reynold de Grey, 3rd Lord of Ruthyn and Margaret de Ros
11. Reynold de Grey, 2nd Lord of Ruthyn and Eleanor Strange
12. Roger de Grey, Lord of Ruthyn and Elizabeth Hastings
13. John de Hastings, Lord of Bergavenny and Isabel de Valence
14. William de Valence and Joan de Munchensy
15. Warin de Munchensy and Joan Marshal

The Marshal/Mareschal's also continue through to Bernard the Dane

Many of these lines will likely lead to a royal line without too much research.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 04 October 11 00:12 BST (UK)
A few quick queries:

1. Elizabeth Day married Charles Wills Walrond on 18 May 1777 -- however, Ann Day, her sister, was supposedly born on 13 October 1771.  This either suggests more than just the four children found so far, or a very late birth for Ann.  Also worth noting (I didn't notice it the first time around) is that the wedding notice in Gentleman's Magazine indicates Mr. Day (Elizabeth's father John Day) as deceased.  Meaning he was deceased before 18 May 1777.  It also means therefore he died after 13 October 1771 (when he was in London).

2. You note that the book on Sierra Leone notes Post-Capt. William Day, R.N., was born in the West Indies (likely Antigua), so this probably indicates that his father John Day, of Antigua, either returned home to England (if the record I found for a John Day being an apprentice to the Hallidays is correct) after he had spent some time out there or he frequently travelled back and forth between the two.  If the marriage Lorraine found is correct, then it seems he married Sarah Smith in London in 1758 (and this fits perfectly for a christening of 12 August 1733) and thus could indicate again that he travelled back and forth.  Elizabeth Day, as we known, married in Edinburgh in 1777, so again, it looks like she was either born in England and travelled back or she was born in England but never travelled to Antigua.

3. So have we any records of John Day being out in Antigua apart from there being the suffix "of Antigua" and the possibility of the apprenticeship I found being associated with him?  As well as the fact his son William Day being born out there.  It looks as though he either only had a brief stay out in Antigua or he was a frequent traveller back and forth.  I am going to try and locate a burial for him in England between 1771 and 1777.

4. William Day's will mentions his brother John Day.  I did not know about this information.  Could someone be so kind as to send me a copy of the Will (or a transcription) indicating his children?  I also note William Day had a son named John Day.  Do we know anything further about him?
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 04 October 11 00:57 BST (UK)
I have just been doing a quick search on the Taddy family.  There was a Clergyman in the family, which does not surprise me.  Anyhow, it seems this chap Rev. John Taddy, M.A., B.A., perpetual curate of Northill, Bedfordshire, may have been a grandson of the John Taddy who married Susanna Smith.

First I quote the following:

Source: David Olby, Prerogative Court of Canterbury, Probate 9 Nov 1781
Elizabeth Petman (widow of John Petman) of the City of Canterbury , will dated 31 October 1781
gives her marshlands in the parish of Ash next Sandwich to "Edward Taddy son of my late kinsman James Taddy deceased who was one of the sons of my late uncle James Taddy also deceased."
She leaves money bequests to " my kinsman Roger Taddy who was another of the sons of my said uncle James Taddy: and to "Christopher Taddy the son of my kinsman John Taddy deceased."
She leaves a "messuage in Canterbury to her "kinsman Emerson Mussared son of my uncle Edward Mussared."
And a "messuage and lands in the parish of St. Peter, Isle of Thanet to Elizabeth Underdown daughter of my said late kinsman James Taddy."
Money bequests to "Sarah Taddy widow of my late kinsman James Taddy": to "Sarah Frend wife of the Rev. Mr. Frend":to "my kinswoman Jane Abbot wife of Rev. Mr. Abbot": and to "my goddaughter Mary Frend": and to "William Cooper of Ramsgate son of my kinswoman Elizabeth Cooper deceased": and to "my kinswoman Elizabeth Peacock wife of Mr. Peacock and dau. of my kinswoman Sarah Moverley": and to "Ann Bush ye wife of William Bush now living at or near Pool in Dorsetshire and who is the great-granddaughter of my aunt Stevens late of Ramsgate aforesaid deceased": and to "Jeremiah Moverley and William Moverley ye two children of ye said Ann Bush by her first husband": and to "John Hudson the son of Thomas Hudson of Canterbury, carpenter": to her "servant Susanna Read": to her "servant Ann Vandonie(?)": and to "Emerson Mussared her sole executor".
Her body is to be buried "in the church of St. John Isle of Thanet" (This is now referred to as Margate parish church -DSO).


Then I link to the following, which shows the children of Christopher Taddy (presumably the one mentioned above and son of John Taddy): http://www.tim.ukpub.net/pl_tree/ps35/ps35_475.html

This Christopher Taddy, as you can see, married Mary Anne Hopkins, daughter of Sir John Hopkins, Lord Mayor of London.  So it does all seem to fit quite nicely.  I shall dig a bit further and hopefully I will find Richard Harris, of Maidstone, Kent as well.

Addendum: although I cannot access this page for some peculiar reason (www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62979), it does prove that Christopher Taddy was son of John Taddy (a druggist) and Susanna (his widow by this point).
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 04 October 11 02:34 BST (UK)
It also mentions a Mr Moore of Langley, Bucks and a George Charles Nixon but without explanation.

Thomas Lodington (husband of Ann Day) had a mother named Elizabeth Moore.  It could just be a coincidence but I'll have a look.  I have yet to establish anything about Elizabeth Moore yet.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Sunday 09 October 11 10:21 BST (UK)
OK where to start:
I found another marriage for a John Day marrying a Sarah Smith, this time a Fleet Registers  (non-conformist and Non-parochial) marriage on 26 August 1751 John is shown as a Packer (what was that in 1751) and their abode at the time of marriage was Great St Clears London.

I guess there is a possibility that Ann Day's mother may not have been the same as Elizabeth, I see many second families in my research into other families so it is certainly something to keep in mind.

I have requested an estimate from the National Archives for a copy of William Day's Lieutenant's Passing certificate which apparently holds birth information, will keep you posted with that one.
Now I will go back a few steps to a reference made much earlier to a John Day Lodington who came to Australia: I have traced him and found that
1: He arrived in Western Australia as Purser on the P.&O. "Larkins" and subsequently became P&O agent in Albany.
2: He was the son of William Stewart Lodington and married Bridget McKenzie dau of Hugh McKenzie and Emily Hinds (Hugh McKenzie was born in Kirkcudbright Scotland in 1804 to Hugh McKenzie and Bridget Erskine and went to New Brunswick in Canada and came to Australia with his five brothers and their families in 1841 on their own ship called "Brothers").
3: John Day Lodington had three children Camilla Sarah 1856 Albany; Cuthbert Hugh 1858 Sydney and Kenneth William 1860 Albany; Bridget died in Albany in 1860 and John Day Lodington died in Victoria in 1882. Kenneth William settled in Victoria and is able to be traced through the BDM records for Victoria.  There are certainly Lodington descendants still in Victoria. Camilla Sarah seems to have married in New South Wales and potentially has descendants.

James can you message me you email address so that I can send you the will of Capt. William Day
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Sunday 09 October 11 11:58 BST (UK)
Forgot to mention in the previous,
I found a baptism for Sarah Dea (sic.) dau of Capt. Wm Dea at Odcombe, Somerset 5 Aug 1800. Odcombe is 3 miles W. of Yeovil. Good chance this is the baptism of Sarah Day wife of William Stewart Lodington.
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 10 October 11 04:10 BST (UK)
Forgot to mention in the previous,
I found a baptism for Sarah Dea (sic.) dau of Capt. Wm Dea at Odcombe, Somerset 5 Aug 1800. Odcombe is 3 miles W. of Yeovil. Good chance this is the baptism of Sarah Day wife of William Stewart Lodington.
Lorraine

Indeed!  An excellent find, Lorraine.

I know this next message is regarding the other thread about the Broade family but I thought I'd quickly mention it here and then post similar over there as well:

I have now found out that those Broades in Surrey seem to be unrelated to our Broades.  However, it still does seem as if one our Broades was a rector at the same parish as one of them.  Odd, I know.  There could, of course, be a distant relationship between them but I find Broades in that general area of Surrey as far back as the 17th Century.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: CanberraPeter on Thursday 29 March 12 14:14 BST (UK)
Hi ...
I'm new to the RootsChat site, so bear with me...
Re Lorraine's post of 9 October 2011.  I am one of the descendants of the Camilla Lodington at the end of that post (G-G-Son).  She does indeed have descendants, mostly in New South Wales.  I know of 154 of them, but the true count will be closer to 400, I imagine.
I am also in contact with a lot of the Lodington branches in Australia (as far as I know, all Lodingtons in Australia are descendants of Kenneth William 1860; Cuthbert 1858 did not marry).  My count of descendants of John Day Lodington and Bridget McKenzie is 235, but again the true count is closer to 600 or 700, I guess.  Those I know of are spread over New South Wales and Victoria, with a few in Western Australia.
My knowledge of the Lodingtons goes back to Isaac Lodington b. about 1691, married Ann somebody.
I believe that William Day was Governor of Sierra Leone on 2 occasions, in 1803 and in 1805; it seemed to be an annual appointment.
I shall read the entire thread with interest, but right now it's after midnight and I need some beauty rest.
Peter in Canberra
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 15 May 12 03:31 BST (UK)
Greetings Peter, Lorraine, et al.,

I have been in contact with Peter above via Private Message and one of the things we have been able to determine, is that the wife of Post-Capt. William Day, R.N., Governor of Sierra Leone, returned to England and became a Matron at the Royal Greenwich Hospital in Kent.  This was a Hospital associated with the Royal Navy, so it makes sense that Sarah Day, as a widow, could have ended up there.

Although I currently do not have the source as to whether this is definitely our Sarah Day, I have been able to find a burial for her on 18 March 1831 at Greenwich, Kent.  The burial register indicates she died at the Greenwich Hospital and was a Matron.

Whilst doing some research, I did find the following:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/british-army-nurses.htm

If you scroll down to Royal Navy nurses, you'll find that records for nurses (and presumably matrons) at the Royal Greenwich Hospital (where the Mrs. Day previously mentioned was listed) have been kept and are available to look at the National Records Centre at Kew.

Unfortunately I do not currently have a pass, so I'd have to visit Kew to be able to look into this.  As it happens though, I need to visit Kew anyway to pursue further details regarding Ensign Thomas Edward Lodington's army career.

                                                                                                         - - -

Also, I have been trying to determine a bit more about the Sarah Smith who married John Day, of Antigua.  As Lorraine mentioned previously, there is reference to Sarah having other sisters.  One, Susanna, married John Taddy.  Here's the link: http://archive.org/stream/internationalgen00convuoft#page/xx/mode/2up/search/Taddy

Also note Horace Ludington, M.D.'s post at the top of that page.

Anyhow, having dug a bit deeper, I may have found something.

I quote a message I sent to Peter earlier:

I have the wife of John Day, of Antigua, as Sarah Smith.  They married on 25 September 1758 at St. Leonard's, Shoreditch, London.  I do not know who her father is but I do have note of a sister Susanna Smith who married John Taddy on 23 January 1745 at St. Clement Eastcheap, London.

Anyhow, having done some brief further research, it appears Sarah and Susanna maybe of the Smyth family of the Manor of Annables, Harpenden, Hertfordshire.

The National Archives site helps here: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=046-desi&cid=-1#-1

This specific record in particular is worth looking at:

Agreement  DE/Si/41665  30 Mar 1767

Contents:
Between the Rev Edmund Smyth, rector of Filgrave and Tyrringham, Bucks, clerk, executor of the will of Mary Greenhill, widow of the Rev Cleave Greenhill late of Abbots Langley, clerk, 1st, William Smyth of London, gentleman, Christopher Smyth of Northampton, Northampton, gentleman, Susanna Smyth of the same, spinster, and Susanna Taddy of Mansell Street, Goodmans Fields, London, widow, four of the legatees named in the will of the said Mary Greenhill, 2nd, and Langhorne Burton of Somersby, Lincoln, esquire, and Mary his wife, late Mary Walker, spinster, 3rd, for payment of legacies under the will of Mary Greenhill.
Signatures. 2 seals


Note also that the son of John Taddy and Susanna Smith was named Christopher Taddy.  The name may well have come through the Smith/Smyth family as there is a Christopher Smyth of Northampton mentioned above.

I'll try and find out more.

If this is correct, then this will extend our ancestry back even further.

As I am sure you are aware, we already have several descents from several different monarchs.  There is a chance there could be another shared here.

Any input, or thoughts on this would be very much appreciated.


Regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: crimea1854 on Tuesday 15 May 12 07:28 BST (UK)
James

I have not followed this thread in detail, but there does still seem to be a question mark over Capt William Day's parents. Since you indicate that at some point you will be visiting Kew could I suggest you consult the following two documents - ADM 107/14 page 18, and ADM 6/91 page 36.

Both these documents relate to the Lieut. Passing Certificate (LPC) for a William Day dated 1790. According to the index of LPCs produced by Bruno Pappalardo, this includes birth details for William.

From a list of commissioned sea officers for this period there is a William Day who's Lieutenancy dates from 1794, but since there is only one William on the list this could be the date of his appointment at this rank, having passed the Navy Board in 1790.

Martin
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 15 May 12 11:24 BST (UK)
Martin,

Although we do not have a christening for Post-Captain William Day, R.N., Governor of Sierra Leone, we know, via several sources, he was the son of a John Day, of Antigua.  We also have a Will for John Day, of Antigua, I believe.

However, I shall of course take a look at the two documents at Kew as any new information is very much required.  We believe he may have been born in Antigua but he could easily have been born in England, like his sister Ann Day.

Thanks for those references.  I shall note them down for when I next visit Kew.  It's always useful to have references beforehand, so I can save some time, as I have other searches to make as well.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 15 May 12 11:37 BST (UK)
Further to my last message.

Cobbett's political register, for 1802, lists under Ordnance-Office, 21 May 1802:

Naval Promotions

The following Commanders are promoted to the post of Post-Captains in the Royal Naval:-- William Day


So he was promoted to Post-Captain in May 1802.  He was Governor of Sierra Leone by 1803 for his first term.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 15 May 12 12:03 BST (UK)
I have just transcribed a letter to be found online in The Papers of Henry Laurens, Volume 3: January 1, 1759 - August 31, 1763

To John Day

                                                    [Charles Town] 24 January 1763

Sir,
          Your favour of the 24th December to the late house of Austin,
Laurens, & Appleby which expir'd in August last, reach'd me the
11th Inst.  That which you refer to per Brigantine Portsmouth, Capt.
Burden, never came to hand, the said Brigantine being taken on her
passage hither by a Spanish Privateer & as I am inform'd is since
wreck'd & totally lost upon the Coast of Georgia but I shall write by
the first opportunity & make some further enquiry & if thing is
sav'd I shall cause a proper claim to be made upon your Account.  I
am further inform'd that Capt. Burden was unhappily slain by a
Shot from the Privateer which took his Vessel.
          Since the Account reach'd us of an intended suspension of
Arms & a prospect of a General peace in consequence thereof some
branches of our commerce, as I suppose have been the case in other
places, have been considerably influenced.  Rice had advanc'd 5/ per
Ct. from 35/ , a declining Sale, & freight is little enquir'd after.  The
price of Rum which before was very indifferent is falling & I see it
sold per Vendue at 6/ per Gallon.  When you think I can be service-
able to you here please to favour me with your commands, who am
with great respect---

Postscript.  February I, 1763.  Since writing as above I have seen the
Mate of the Portsmouth & got him to make out a protest which I
here inclose charg'd to your Account £5.15/ .  I have also seen one of
the Seaman who was on board when the Brigantine was Wreck'd &
he gives me no hopes of saving any part of her.

SOURCE: Letterbook copy, HL Papers, S. C. Hist. Soc.; addressed "Antigua"; "per Capt. Outerbridge."
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 15 May 12 12:24 BST (UK)
I have just come across a source on Google Books (A history of Sierra Leone) that says Post-Capt. William Day, R.N. was on half-pay and was born in the West Indies when he became Governor of Sierra Leone in 1803.  It also says he arrived with wife and child, suggesting his eldest child was not born there.  This fits for Sarah Day, who was born in Odcombe, Somerset in 1800 but it also fits for Harriet Day, who is said to have been born on Kent Road, London in 1802.

So I wonder which child they refer too?  I am presuming the youngest but then all their children would have been under the age of 10 at this time.

So now we at least know he was born in the West Indies.

                                                                                - - -

William Day's son, John Day, died on 14th November 1853 in Deptford, Kent, as per Gentleman's Magazine.

The Obituary reads:

Nov. 14

At his brother-in-law's, Deptford, John Day, esq. late of New York and Liverpool, son of the late William Day, Post Capt. R.N. and Governor of Sierra Leone.

n.b. that brother-in-law appears to be John Stewart Lodington who resided at 5 Counter Hill Terrace, Deptford around 1848.

I also forgot to note that John Stewart Lodington was resident at Rokeby Road at the time of the 1851 Census.

Addendum: I have found his burial record.  It seems the Gentleman's Magazine Obituary should be for 1852.

He died on 14th November 1852 and his Abode at time of death was Rokeby Road, Deptford, Kent.  He was buried at St. Alphege, Greenwich on the 20th November 1852, aged 54 (so a birth year of approx. 1798).

Addendum: I have now found him on the 1851 census living as a Lodger, Unmarried (with the Lee family) at Devonshire Square, St. Botolph's Bishopsgate, London, age 52 and born in Sherborne, Dorset.  His occupation confirms it is him, as he's noted as an Agent in United States Cotton Business.

I've just checked the Dorset OPC site for Sherborne and I have found his baptism:

John child of William & Sarah DAY baptised   “   14

That is 14th June 1798 at the Parish Church, Sherborne, Dorset.

So that's 2 children down, 2 further to go!
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Wednesday 16 May 12 07:47 BST (UK)
I believe that the Richard Harris, of Maidstone maybe a relative of the Richard Harris, of Hollingbourne and later of Turkey Mill, who was a paper maker.  His widow Ann married James Whatman, of Turkey Mill, Maidstone.

As an aside, the Bosanquet family who married into the Whatmans is linked into a different branch of my family (on my father's -- the Lodington's are on my mother's) thanks to Gaston Augustus Ives Bosanquet marrying Violet Cecilia Collyer, who is a Yeowell descendant.

Alas, I have no idea how or if Richard Harris, of Maidstone is linked but the fact that a researcher of the Whatman family was enquiring about him, suggests he could well be.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Wednesday 16 May 12 09:35 BST (UK)
This is Lodington, rather than Day related but I just found this whilst looking into the Berkeley family of Biggin Hall, Benefield (a parish the Broades and Lodingtons resided in at one time):

(Page 12)

Marriages solemnized in the parish of Greenwich in the County of Kent in the year 1797.

Charles Berkeley of the parish of Oundle in the County of Northampton and Charles Elizabeth Munn of this Parish were married in this Church by license this twenty ninth day of March in the year One Thousand seven hundred & ninety seven

by me J Lodington Preb: of Lincoln.

This Marriage was solemnized between us

    Chas. Berkeley
    Charlotte Elizth. Munn.

In the presence of

    James Munn,
    Paul Sandby Munn
    Sarah Maria Best,
    Catherine Anne Best.

The above is a true extract from the Register of Marriages belonging to the Parish Church of Greenwich, in the County of Kent, taken this 9th. day of Jany 1850

By me R.R.P.Stanley. Curate




One of Charles Berkeley, of Biggin Hall, Benefield and Charles Elizabeth Munn's children was Anne Maria Berkeley.  She married Rev. Henry Good, LL.B., vicar of Royal Collegiate Church of Wimborne Minster, Dorset.

Rev. Henry Good, LL.B's parents were Rev. Henry Good, M.A., rector of Stockton, Wiltshire and Eleanor Hiley.

The parents of the Rev. Henry Good, M.A. were Rev. Henry Good, D.D., rector of Shroton and Cann St. Rumbold, Dorset and Ann Smith.

This Ann Smith was his second wife.  His first wife was Eleanor Smith (probably her sister), daughter of Rev. Peter Smith, M.A., B.A., rector of Melbury Abbas, Dorset and Joanna.

Her brother was John Smith, of Bucklersbury, London.  Thus we get back to the Lodingtons again.



The J. Lodington mentioned above happens to be Rev. Joseph Lodington, Prebendary of Lincoln and one time vicar of Oundle, Northamptonshire.  He died in Benefield in December 1806.  His mother was of the Broade family, whose father and brother were rectors of Benefield.

So he definitely knew the Berkeley family, also of Benefield.  His wife also happened to be Joanna Maria Smith, daughter of John Smith, of Bucklersbury, London.

I suspect there maybe other links too.  I shall see of I can find some.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Monday 21 May 12 12:49 BST (UK)
New from me,
I thought I had put this on before but obviously I haven't. I got the record from the National Archives about William Day re his Lieutenants passing certificate file.
It states he was baptised in May 1761 - unfortunately the date is cut off.
It Reads - 1761 ? May William son of John and Sarah Day baptised.
Copy from the Register of St Mary Falmouth
Geo Wentworth Minister.

He is shown as being on Lizard - as Captains Boy 1 June 1779 - 6 April 1780
                                                                         Mid 7 July 1780 - 30 Nov 1780
                                        Act?one                    Mid  1 Dec 1780 - 19 July 1783
                                        Culloden                   Able 3 Feb 1784 - 8 Jun 1786
Lieutenants application date 28 Oct 1790 and the Date examined is 4 Nov 1790.

In the List of the Royal Navy by Steel - it shows William Day as Post Captain in 1802.

Hope this helps
Lorraine

                               
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: crimea1854 on Monday 21 May 12 17:58 BST (UK)
The second ship is possibly 'Actaeon'.

Martin
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Monday 21 May 12 21:06 BST (UK)
Lorraine,

That is an excellent post.  Thank you for the information.  I need to visit Kew at some point in the future, so I'll see if I can view the original documents.

Of course, we could also check the register for St. Mary, Falmouth for the date as well.  Some sources say he was born in the West Indies, so perhaps he travelled back as a baby with his family and got christened over here at a later date?

Now I am curious as to whether I have the correct information for his father John Day.  Were the family originally of Cornwall/Devon or were his parents visiting or living there for a while?

His sister Ann was christened in Holborn, London, so maybe they did travel around.

I shall also see if I can find some further information about those ships.

James.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Tuesday 22 May 12 05:28 BST (UK)
James,
I have the copies of the original sent to me from Kew so if you want I can email them to you,
Also further investigations need to be done here as there is a Falmouth and a St Marys in Antigua. Unfortunately it appears that the registers for St Marys may have been destroyed, according to the new book by John Titford - My ancestor settled in the West Indies
This book would be worth checking if you are off to National Archives as he makes reference to some Colonial Office records - Classes CO152/16, CO152/21 and CO152/25 which include baptisms, marriages and burials for various parishes in Antigua.
I thought it might be worth checking if there was a George Wentworth as encumbant at St Marys Falmouth in England at the time, I don't have access to this information.
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 22 May 12 12:50 BST (UK)
Lorraine,

A copy would definitely be most appreciated.  I believe you have my e-mail address already but if not, I shall PM you with it.

I didn't think of Falmouth, Jamaica.  That would make far more sense.

This is perhaps why I have also been unable to find any Lodingtons on the IGI in the West Indies too.

Cornwall and Devon parishes are patchy online but I'll see what I can do.  I believe he is more likely to be an incumbent of the Baptist Church in Falmouth, Jamaica, however.

James.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Sunday 03 June 12 11:34 BST (UK)
James et al

I think I have located Ellen Day's bapt record She was baptised on 12 Aug 1804 at Swanage, Dorset.

David Barry Conway who died in June 1832 in Chatham in Kent, and Ellen Day had a daughter, Ellen Barry Conway who is listed as the sole executrix in the National Probate Calendar.

There is a nice write up on Free Settler or Felon? about David Barry Conway surgeon superintendent http://www.jenwilletts.com/surgeon_superintendents_-_c.htm#CONWAY,%20David%20B.

There is also a will listed for Sarah Day widow Greenwich Kent - I will get this one on Tuesday and hopefully we will get a bit more info from this one to confirm which Sarah Day she is.

That's it for now

Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Tuesday 05 June 12 10:21 BST (UK)
OK
I now have the will of Sarah Day Matron of Royal Infirmary Greenwich Hospital and yes she is our Sarah. In the will she leaves things to her son John, daughters Sarah Lodington, Ellen Conway and surprisingly Ann Slater Day. She also mentions an Uncle Jagger, his widow now a Mrs Jackson and a sister Roberta who is single.

How certain are we that Harriet was her daughter?

Ann Slater Day was born on 13 June 1806 and Baptised 18 July 1806 at St George the Martyr, Queens Square, Middlesex, and is shown as the daughter of William and Sarah Day.
I have found a newspaper notice in the London Standard dated Monday 4 October 1841 that reads "Sept. 30, Ann Slater Day, youngest daughter of the late William Day, Post Captain, R.N.". There is a burial record in Cambridgeshire (on www.findmypast.co.uk) that shows Ann Slater Day; Residence: of Mr Collins Castle End; 3 Oct 1841; Age 35; Parish: Cambridge, St Giles; Record Source: Cambridgeshire Burials; Data Provider: Cambridgeshire Family History Society.

Ann Day is shown in the 1841 census a Governess at the home of a William Collins in Castle Street St Giles, Cambridge. She certainly seems to be a daughter of our William Day and Sarah, though born after he had died, with a death date presumed to be 4 Nov 1805 and other references which state he died while still Governor of Sierra Leone.

I will email you the will, James, as I could do with another set  of eyes that are used to these wills, I can't make out some of the words.

A really good find,
Thanks for the hints,
Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Friday 15 June 12 09:50 BST (UK)
Hi Guys,
I posted this on the Lodington page but thought I would re-post it here as it crosses over the families.

I have some questions about the two Lodington boys George Edward Dyer Lodington and Edward Horace Dyer Lodington who we thought were sons of William Lodington and Harriet Dyer. (I am not even sure if these two are the same person??)

I have the 1841 census for William and Harriet who married in 1846. The census for Lambeth Park rad shows the family of William Lodington 35 and Sarah 35
 with children William 15
                      Stewart 15
                      John 15
                      Sarah 14
                      Ernest 9
                      Louisa 8 (?)
                      Lydia 2
                      Camilla 6mths
                      Eliza Brians
Next house    Charlotte Dyer 25 - Ladies School
                      Louisa Dyer 25
                      Harriett 25

1851 census in South Hampton St Mary Hampshire
William Lodington head Mar 29 Agent in the P&O Steam Company Middlesex London
Harriet Do Wife Mar 31 Kent Fotscay
William Do Son          3   Do Lewisham
Louisa Dyer Visitor Un 32 Essex East Mer...

1861 census Shoreditch Tower Hamlets St John the Baptist
William Lodington Head Mar 41 Peninsular & Oriental S Navigation Co Middlesex London
Harriet    Do          Wife  Mar 42 Kent
Wm         Do          Son          13 Do Lewisham
On the page before also in Tower Hamlets St John the Baptist
Charlotte Dyer Head Un 48 Governess Kent
Louisa Dyer Sister Un 44 Music Teacher Essex
Samuel Do Nephew 7 Lancashire

I have found a death in 1862 for William Lodington and a Probate listing for him with a death date for 30 June 1862 granted to Harriet Lodington widow.

1871 Census Camberwell Lambeth
Charlotte Dyer         Lodger 57  Unm Annuitant         Kent Deptford
Louisa Do                 Lodger 50  Unm Do                   Essex East Ham(?)
Harriet Lodington     Lodger       W     Do                   Kent Sidcup (?)
William S  Lodington Visitor 22   Unm Shipping Clerk Kent Lewisham

Also a death for Harriet Lodington age 62 in Q3 1872 Vol 1d pg 438 Camberwell London
and one for William Lodington age 27 in Q4 1872 Vol 1a pg 308 Marylebone London

There does not appear to be any trace of either George E D Lodington prior to his marriage in 1873 or Edward H D Lodington other than an entry in India christenings in Secunderabad in 1863 where his date of birth is shown as 17 Mar 1840  with Father William Lodington and mother Harriett.

It seems unlikely that George and Edward are sons of this William and Harriet - so who are they?

I am hoping the Probate record for William 1862 will give some clarity as to this family although it is an Administration rather than a will.

Can anyone shed some light on this question, they are Lodingtons but how do they fit in?

Lorraine
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: CanberraPeter on Saturday 16 June 12 02:48 BST (UK)
Hi ...
(2nd try; 1st failed)

I cannot help regarding who the George E D Lodington or Edward H D Lodington might be, or even if they are two persons, not one.  However, with the Lodington and Dyer names, and the way they kept marrying their cousins, he/they was/were probably cousin/s of some sort.
 
I can say the following, based on family correspondence from that time:
-- William was the eldest of Sarah (Day) Lodington's children. 
-- He died sometime before 1872, and this is consistent with the 1862 death you report.
-- His widow Harriet died suddenly in mid to late 1872, and her son William ("Billy") died in Middlesex Hospital 6 weeks later.
-- "Billy" was the only son of William and Harriet.
-- the family did not know of a George Lodington.
 
That defines the problem, at least.
 
Peter
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Friday 10 August 12 21:18 BST (UK)
I want to apologise for my long absence.  My computer needed replacing and I have also been busy.  I hope to be a bit more active now so I shall go through all the e-mails and messages here and try and reply back as soon as I can.

Thank you Lorraine for the post about Sarah Day and her new sister who I did not know about.  It is much appreciated.  I shall have a look around for further information.

Best regards,

James
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Friday 10 August 12 22:23 BST (UK)
I've taken a quick look at the Will but my eyes cannot handle it at the moment!  Where does it mention Mr. Jagger and her sister Roberta?

This could help us determine what Sarah's maiden name was.  We need to find a female Jagger/male Jackson marriage, I presume?

The name Jackson crops up again... it's a name that seems to appear a lot in the Lodington tree.

I have found a marriage between an Elizabeth Jagger and Edward Jackson on 5 June 1810 at Christ Church, Southwark, Surrey but I do not know if this is individual we're looking for.  I'll see if I can find the original record and see if it notes her as a widow.

We potentially have some good news.  The original record reads:

Edward Jackson of the Parish of Langley in the County of Buckingham, bachelor a minor, married Elizabeth Jagger of this parish, widow {by and with consent of John Jackson the natural and lawful father of the said minor were married in this church by license this fifth day of June in the year One Thousand Eight Hundred and Ten, By me J. H. Mapleton, rector

Witnesses were James H. (not sure what the surname is), Susannah Hopwood and John Jackson

Is this marriage too late to be a second marriage for Uncle Jagger's widow?
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: Downcraig on Tuesday 04 March 14 08:04 GMT (UK)
Hello James and Lorraine
I've been away for a long time and just revisited these posts. Some great research being done.
James - I like your Smyth (rather than Smith) suggestion for John Day's wife very much and looking again at William Day's will I am fairly well on the way to convincing myself that the cousin Sarah mentioned whose surname is difficult to decipher could be Smyth. I had rejected Smith in favour of something like Lough or Bough, because of the curlicue below the line, but now think it could well be the y of Smyth. The small gap between the y (if it is one) and the h, is enough to accommodate a faded t. Cousin Sarah Smyth would have to be the daughter of Sarah Smyth (Mrs John Day)'s brother, perhaps the William or Christopher you mention. Did you find any more about those Smyths of Annables, Herts?

By the way, just to remind you in case I am forgotten - I am descended from John's daughter Elizabeth who married Charles Wills Walrond - interestingly they named one of their daughters Grace Ladington (sic) Walrond.


Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Wednesday 05 March 14 12:29 GMT (UK)
Downcraig,

Thank you for the recent message re. Joh Day, of Antigua's wife Sarah.

I may have mentioned amongst the messages here but I do have note that Sarah "Smith" his wife had two sisters.  One was Susanna Smyth who married John Taddy (chr. 6 Jun. 1717, St. John the Baptist, Margate, Kent and buried 24 May 1750, St. John the Baptist, Margate) on 23 Jan 1745 at St. Clement, Eastcheap, London.  This couple had a son Christopher Taddy, of Buckland, Kent who married twice, firstly to Mary Anne Hopkins (daughter of Rt. Hon. Sir John Hopkins, Lord Mayor of London and his wife Anne Simpkins and secondly to Elizabeth Russell, of Croydon, Surrey, sister of a Kitty Russell.  Christopher Taddy and his first wife Mary Anne Hopkins had 3 children, viz. William Taddy, B.A., Charles Taddy and Rev. John Taddy, M.A., perpetual curate of Northill, Bedfordshire.  William and Rev. John Taddy had issue.

The other sister of Sarah "Smith" and Susannah Smyth is said to have married Richard Harris, of Maidstone, Kent.  I have not been able to determine anything further regarding him or his wife.  He could be linked to the Harris' of Turkey Mill, Kent who lived not far from Maidstone.  I have not found a link however.

So if Sarah "Smith" was a Smyth, then the fact Susannah Smyth, her supposed sister had her surname recorded as Smyth at marriage, suggests that we maybe on the right lines with regards to the spelling of their surname.

Despite having read that she did have 2 sisters, I have yet to determine who their parents were.

I would also say the fact two of her supposed sisters married men of Kent, it may therefore be the case their father, mother or both were also of Kent.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Wednesday 05 March 14 17:30 GMT (UK)
If Susanna Smyth who married John Taddy was a sister then she would have been quite a bit older as she was buried 2 October 1799, in the North Aisle of St. Helen's Church, Bishopsgate, London, aged 81.  This would thus have made her birth year circa 1718.  Her husband John Taddy was christened 6 June 1717 and the marriage took place on 23 January 1745 thus it seems Susanna would have been aged approximately 27 at the time.

Sarah "Smith" who married John Day, of Antigua on 25 September 1758 would seem to have been born in the 1730s.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 19 December 17 13:49 GMT (UK)
Greetings everyone. I come with some potential good news.

I have renewed my search regarding the Day family and especially the link with Susanna Smyth (who married John Taddy).

If you remember correctly she was mentioned in regard to the Will of Mary Greenhill (née Smyth), of St. Albans, Hertfordshire (widow of Rev. Cleave Greenhill, of Abbots Langley, Hertfordshire).

I have located the Will and have taken a look and it appears Susanna Taddy (née Smyth) was Mary Greenhill's (née Smyth) niece. Christopher Taddy is also mentioned as the son of Susanna Taddy (elsewhere he's mentioned as the only son of John Taddy and Susanna).

I have yet to determine who Susanna Smyth is the daughter of but I initially propose the following:

I found a Susanna Smyth that married a George Smith, of St. Saviour, Southwark, a hop merchant in 1712. This fits in the time frame for them to be potential parents of the three Smyth/Smith sisters.

The Susanna Smyth who married George Smith is of the Smyth family of Annables, Hertfordshire and I believe she maybe the Susanna Smyth christened on 1 August 1677 at St. Mary's, Newington, Surrey (and supposedly died on 4 November 1749) daughter of Edmund Smyth of Annables, Hertfordshire and Elkington, Lincolnshire and his wife Anne Reading. If this is correct then her two brothers James Smyth, of Annables and Elkington and Rev. William Smyth, rector of Emberton, Buckinghamshire were signatories to her marriage settlement.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/6a4a505a-5990-4c19-a2f8-4257b350509c

I have yet to determine whether they had any children however or indeed whether George Smith was of the same family or unrelated.

If the above couple were parents of the Smyth/Smith sisters then they would be nieces of Mary Greenhill (née Smyth). It would also make sense why their surnames are noted as both Smith and Smyth.

Now I just need to find the proof of this affiliation.

If anyone has found anything further of note about the Days, Smyths or Lodingtons, since 2014, then please do let me know either on here or via PM.

Best regards,

James R. Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 19 December 17 16:18 GMT (UK)
I must say, apart from that one link by a researcher of the Whatman family of Kent, I have found no proof as of yet that those three Smith/Smyth girls were sisters. This does pose a problem, as if they are not related, then we are also therefore not related to the Harris or Taddy families via marriage.

Does anyone have proof anywhere that the Susanna Smyth who married John Taddy on 23 Jan 1745 is in anyway related to the Sarah Smith who married John Day, of Antigua?

Further to my previous post, I did find some children of a George Smith and Susanna, including a Susanna (albeit in 1727 and not 1718) christened at St. James Garlickhithe, London. The only reason this is significant is that my own purported christening for John Day, of Antigua is at the same church in 1733.

It would mean his purported sister-in-law Susanna was christened much later in 1727 rather than 1718, which would mean she was 18 at marriage rather than 27.

There was no Sarah Smith or Smyth christening to a George and Susanna however.

There is also a 1714 christening for a Susanna Smith to a George and Susanna at Walthamstow which might be this Susanna. This would fit better for the 1712 marriage of her parents.

Best regards,

James
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Tuesday 19 December 17 16:42 GMT (UK)
I have located the Will of George Smith, hop merchant of St. Saviour's, Southwark in 1741.

Unfortunately it tells us his only living child (by Susanna) is Susanna Smith. Seemingly not married. I purport this is the Susanna Smith that married John Taddy on 23 Jan 1745, which would fit for her to be the niece of Mary Greenhill (née Smyth). The 1714 christening in Walthamstow fits for her.

This unfortunately seems to indicate (apart from two sons who might be via a first wife) she was the only surviving child of Susanna. This therefore makes it unlikely that Sarah Smith (or indeed the Smith who married Richard Harris, of Maidstone, Kent) are her sisters. The Will suggests he may have been married prior to Susanna but any children born to her would be far too old to be marrying in the 1740s and 1750s.

I shall though see if Susanna Smith (née Smyth) has a Will and see if it brings up anything interesting.

However, besides being a Hop merchant, George Smith was also a tallow chandler. This is the same purported profession of John Day, of Antigua's father. There could still be a link between the two families.

Maybe George Smith's sons via what appears to be his first wife maybe the link.

Best regards,

James
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: nicola0709 on Saturday 27 April 19 11:15 BST (UK)
I have to admit, a m a bit of a novice, but I have a copy of a document (This Family Record 1724-1904 compiled by Frederick William Jackson - the elder - and presented to his Grandson Reginald Carmalt Jackson March 22, 1904) which lists out the family history (Jackson / Lodington / Soares / Henshaw / Carmalt / Day and a few others.)

It mentions a Thomas Lodington who married a Ann Golding Day, Daughter of John Day B: 1773 D: 1777 and Sarah Smyth B: 1735 (from Antigua). They had a daughter Ann Lodingtong 1795-1865 and she married 'the Chevalier George Ramsey" - no children to this marriage.

I was doing a search to find information out on this George Ramsay and came across this thread... where it mentions a George Ramus (??) with the odd mention of Ramsey.... then read further and saw the connection to Antigua.

I hope that this thread is still being monitored. I am wondering if my Ann Golding day is your Ann Slater Day (??). I haven't looked into the Day connection in Antigua, so many of the people mentioned throughout this post (except the lodingtons/jacksons etc) are not familiar to me.

I am one of those descended down through the Lodingtons and Jacksons here in Australia (Canberra), but come through the Frederick William Jackson who moved out here after the death of his wife Eleanor Ann Henshaw.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: Downcraig on Sunday 28 April 19 21:38 BST (UK)
Hello Nichola - thanks for your information - I continue to follow this thread and am interested in your post - I wonder if you could confirm the dates you have - John Day b. 1773 - d. 1777 cannot be correct as that makes him only 4 years old. Could you confirm what your F W Jackson presented. Also could you confirm Sarah Smyth's date of birth as that would mean she was 60 yrs old when Ann was born. I am interested to know where the name Golding comes from too. I like the Ramsey for Ramus connection though. It is a complicated web. I am descended from Elizabeth Day daughter of John of Antigua and possibly Sarah Smyth though I have not been able to make a definitive connection with Sarah. However, it is good that you have that name specifically in your record as it has so far been conjecture. Many thanks and let's see if we can prove anything beyond doubt.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Saturday 29 May 21 04:13 BST (UK)
Greetings everyone.

It's been quite some time since I was last here and I apologise greatly for that. Life has been busy.

Anyhow, the reason for my post is to fill in a gap I had in my tree re. Lodington/Jackson families.

You may well have all this information yourself but if you have not, then it will not hurt to quickly highlight things.

The link in question is as follows:

As we know, George Jackson married Elizabeth Maria Lodington and had 12 children.

Of those children, one of them William Day Jackson (born 22 Oct. 1832, Camberwell, Surrey, chr. 3 February 1832, St. Giles', Camberwell, Surrey, died 8 July 1917) married and had children.

He married in 2nd Quarter, 1865 in Camberwell Registration District, to Clara Louisa Pritchett.

Clara Louisa Pritchett was born 1st Quarter 1842 in St. Pancras, London and interestingly is the daughter of the landscape artist Edward Pritchett who painted a lot of scenes of Venice during the 1830s and 1840s (see his Wikipedia entry). There's scant information on Edward Pritchett sadly.

They had 4 children, viz.

1. William Henry Jackson, born 2nd Quarter 1866, Peckham, Surrey (married and had issue, see below)
2. Caroline E. Jackson, born about 1869, Camberwell, Surrey
3. Annie Clara Jackson, born 1st Quarter 1874, Camberwell
4. Elizabeth Jackson, born between 1874 and 1881, Camberwell

1. William Henry Jackson married Mary Kathleen McCally, probably in Canada. Mary was born about 1881, likely in Vienna, Ontario, Canada. They may have married in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, as that's where their 2 children were born.

They had 2 children:

1. Margaret B. Jackson, born 22 Jan. 1915, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States of America
2. Robert Lodington Jackson, born 19 June 1916, Philadelphia, died 3 November 1989 in North Carolina. He married in 1952.

I thought it worth highlighting this branch, just in case anyone was not aware of it.

I have not traced the 3 daughters of William Day Jackson and Clara Louisa Pritchett yet.

Best regards,

James Yeowell
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: James R. Yeowell on Saturday 29 May 21 04:42 BST (UK)
John Day b. 1773 - d. 1777 cannot be correct as that makes him only 4 years old.

Downcraig, I think 1773 should read 1733, as that's the christening year I have for John Day, of Antigua. This would also fit with my long-held hunch that John Day, of Antigua was the son of John Day (the wax chandler) and Lydia and was christened 12 August 1733, at St. James Garlickhithe, London, as has been mentioned in a different thread previously.
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: nicola0709 on Saturday 29 May 21 05:27 BST (UK)
Yes, apologies   Typo from my end. Should be John Day 1733-1777
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: lester john martin on Saturday 14 August 21 10:54 BST (UK)
Hugh McKenzie is in my family tree they sailed from St jOHNS on a Brig that they built called BROTHERS of 121 tons Reg. No. J840006 Hugh died in Albany and his son took over also Captain Hugh McKenzie and he gave the Brig to his brother Keith that went to New Zealand Hugh was 71 when they left St John
regards Lester
Title: Re: Day family, Antigua and Sierre Leone
Post by: brothers-searcher on Tuesday 20 September 22 03:31 BST (UK)
Hi, it's been some time since I have checked this site, but I am revisiting my research on the Day family and have found a reference on Ancestry to the "Child Apprentices in America from Christ's Hospital, London 1617-1788". The book is available digitally on Ancestry and when I checked the introduction to the book it details the sources used to compile the listing.

The item shows that John DAY was admitted in April 1742 and it reads "John Day, baptised 12 August 1733, son of John D., wax chandler, admitted from St James, Garlickhithe; 3 February 1748 to his mother Lydia D. to serve Mr John Holliday of Antigua, merchant."

With the date of admission in April 1742 I checked the burial register for St James Garlickhithe and found a burial for a John Day on 5 May 1741. Unfortunately there are no ages given in the Garlickhithe burial registers so I can't be certain that this is him but the fact that his son John was admitted so soon after to Christ's Hospital (or Bluecoats School) which was for fatherless children to get an education (among others) there is a good chance that this is John Day wax chandler.

https://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/144/RESEARCH_GUIDES/web_detail_rg/SISN+54?SESSIONSEARCH this is the link to the research guide for the records.

The Children's Registers (CLC/210/F/003/MS12818); Presentation papers (CLC/210/F/004/MS12818A) are available on microfilm at the London Metropolitan Archives to view and I assume take copies of. The presentation papers contain petitions submitted by parents, guardians etc which provide personal and financial details of children's families.

I visited the LMA in 2019 but did not have this information at the time :(

I live in Australia and will not be getting to London again any time soon.  I wonder if there is someone who lives more locally who would be willing to go to the LMA to check this reference and get any copies available?

The Garlickhithe registers also detail a burial in 1750 for a Lydia DAY, and another in 1770 for a Lydia DAY, again there are no ages given so it is difficult to say for certain that these are relevant.
I did find a baptism for a Lydia DAY born to a John DAY and his wife Lydia in St Mary le Strand in 1730. The presentation papers may give details of siblings of John's that might help to clarify whether this baptism is within the same family. Other family burials in this register include Harbitt 10 Sep 1737 and Margaret 12 Jan 1738. (Harbitt was baptised at Garlickhithe in 1737 and Margaret was baptised also at Garlickhithe in 1735)

At this stage my hypothesis is that this Lydia (b.1730) is the elder sister of John (b.1733) and then that the Lydia that is buried in 1750 is the mother, wife of John DAY wax chandler and that the Lydia who is buried in 1770 is the daughter born in 1730 and therefore sister of John DAY of Antigua. John DAY and Lydia CARTER were married at St Nicholas, Leeds in Kent 27 Dec 1729. (Some indexes have it as Broomfield in Kent but the image I have is from the St Nicholas, Leeds, Kent Register, which could have been a chapel in the parish of Broomfield)

All this would indicate that John DAY of Antigua was the only member of the family to leave descendants.

I hope this adds some leads that can be followed up and add to the research.

Lorraine