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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Topic started by: HughC on Tuesday 03 May 11 18:39 BST (UK)
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Robert Ormrod Lindesay was Irish. Sent to boarding school where he was bullied mercilessly: it seems he was a weak character and probably spoiled by his rich mama. He was later articled to a solicitor but didn't stay the course.
So mummy bought him an aeroplane and he ran an air taxi service, living at Braaid, Marown. The story is that he got into an argument about £5 that he reckoned was owed to him, and the man stuck a knife in him.
One would have thought that would have made the national press, but I haven't found anything. I don't even know when: a distant cousin said circa 1980, but Bob would have been about 80 by then. I feel it could have been as early as the 1950s. I don't think FreeBMD covers the IoM.
Has anyone come across a report of the incident, or can suggest where I might look?
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did you try the burial indexon www.iomfhs.im (why assume the Island is part of the UK ?)
buried age 79 Douglas borough cem 19810505
the manx newspapers are on microfilm at manx museum - many have been digitised in conjunction with the British library (not sure quite how far they reach into the late 20th C - they can often be accessed from certain pay per view or free from most large public libraries in UK
if you try http://www.isle-of-man.com/genealogy/messageboard/index.pl you will probably find someone who knows
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Thanks, Frances.
Good to see you're still around: I keep meaning to write to you to correct some duff info I gave you some time in the last millennium. I also keep meaning to cycle over to Man and see where my ancestors came from.
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murderer was Michael John Pate and occured in Ballasalla in April 1981 - trial was Oct 1981 (reduced to manslaughter + 7 yrs on appeal in Dec 1981)
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Frances, you're the greatest!
Where did you find it? Can I read about it too?
____ H.
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it's just an entry in a table in book 'Manx Murders' by Kieth Wilkinson - has nothing about this one tho thus you now need search papers - at least you have months + year to search
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Google kicked up this site: http://firedrake.org/drpete/manx2.htm
It's an article on capital punishment that mentions, to quote:
Pate 1981 Convicted of murder and sentenced to death. Conviction reduced to manslaughter on appeal.
The author does give his source for this information as, to quote: Chief Registrar of the Isle of Man General Registry, P.N.A. Curtis and he also lists his email address on the page.... maybe toss the author a line?
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Thanks!
_______ Hugh
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after the fact to put it mildly, but I have a twice-removed connection to the Lindesay family and am too new to be allowed to send PMs. My interest is in Robert's brother Peter, so if there is anyone still there I'd like to hear from you!
many thanks.
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Helen,
Peter Mauleverer Crawford Lindesay; b. in Harpenden 16 Jan. 1905; d. circa July 1971 (death registered in Croydon; he lived in South Norwood).
Civil engineer with Greater London Council.
m. (in Croydon?) 25 July 1928 Hazel Gwendoline, violinist, dau. of Maj. George Waters Gilbertson of the Indian Army and his wife née Price. She was b. at Kasauli, Himachal Pradesh, 24 Dec. 1899; d. Aug. 1996 (death also registered in Croydon).
What can you add to that?
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wow, that was quick - thank you!
Hazel was one of five children born in India of the aforementioned Major George Waters Gilbertson and his wife Ada. One of Hazel's sisters, possibly her twin, was Doreen Florence who married one of my great-uncles, Arthur Israel, in Croydon registry office on Feb 13 1922. (told you it was two removes...) Hazel was a witness at that wedding, I have the certificate.
Arthur emigrated to Canada in 1924, Doreen and their daughter followed soon after and they lived out their lives there. My mother is first cousin to the daughter, they are the only two descendants of this Israel family. There wasn't much contact, they weren't the letter-writing types!
I believe that Hazel and Peter had a son, Patrick b 1930 who may still be alive. Hazel had a brother, George Clyne Gilbertson, and the youngest sister was named Adrienne Blessing. She married four times.
the interest is in pictures and memories of my direct connections, especially of course Doreen and her sisters. If that isn't a legit use of the forum my apologies, and I appreciate that it may be too remotely connected for your research - but thank you again!
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Hi my husband is Adrienne blessings grandson, his mother was Antoinette, I may be able to help with some photos