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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: Enniscrone on Saturday 14 May 11 20:34 BST (UK)
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Hi,
My Dad, George William was born in Dublin Workhouse 88 years ago. At the age of around he was farmed out to a farm with another boy called John Morrice. He is still alive and would love to find any family. His family lived in Gardener street Dublin and his mum was called Emily and had him around the age of thirty five. She called him after her brother who died in the war.
The Williams family were involved in scrap metal at some point. I think two brothers came over from England Grandparents but am not sure.
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This is probably George's mother Emily Williams and her family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Gardiner_Street__Lower/24965
And in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Lower_Gardiner_St_/1327270
Will move this thread to DUBLIN board to see if more details can be found.
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Thank you for your help. It would be great to find someone from the Williams family alive today. before my dad dies. He had such a hard life and it would be great to find out who he is and where he came from.
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My Dad's family. Emily was his mother. Dublin Gardiner Street
I don't know if any of the family knew about my Dad George as he was born in the workhouse in Dublin.
Williams Emily Daughter Roman Catholic
Williams Florence Daughter Roman Catholic
Williams Elizabeth Daughter Roman Catholic
Williams Mary Ann Daughter Roman Catholic
Williams Sarah Daughter Roman Catholic
Williams Henry Father Protestant C I
Williams Mary Ann Mother Roman Catholic
Williams Samuel Roman Catholic
Williams Henry Roman Catholic
Williams George Roman Catholic
Williams Alfred Roman Catholic
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Thank you for the information. I did not realise that but look forward to researching past family from Dublin. Many thanks for the link also.
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Hi
You may be able to locate other family members on the 1939-40 Electoral List which is available on
www.dublinheritage.ie
Cheers
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I have also been searching for living relatives and it is soo difficult
The following may help but all information needs confirmation:
I looked at you Emily's family in 1901 and 1911 - Samuel is listed in the baptisms on www.familysearch.org as born to Henry WILLIAMS and Mary Anne KANE on 09.Aug.1880
As he was still single in 1911 I looked for marriages after that (his being a more unusual name)
There is one listed as:
Dublin North Jan-Mar 1913 Volume 2 Page 464
(this is the reference can be used to order the certificate)
There is also a death registered:
Dublin North Jul-Sep 1939 Volume 2 Page 222 aged 54 (age slightly out but not unusual at the time)
If this is correct his death certificate possibly could help place if indeed he married and where he was living
Also Sarah could have married between 1901 and 1911 or be one of the three children that died.
This is a possibility if she married
Dublin North Jan-Mar 1903 V2 P531
If you check the other famly members you may find information this way leading you to obituaries and more current information.
The register of electors is online for Dublin in 1939 just mentioned may also help place them and it is also available on microfilm in Pearse Street Library for further years up to 1963
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Hi there, my husbands grandmother was Elizabeth Williams of that family you listed. We would love to find you. Hope you get to see this message.
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Welcome to rootschat PennyHal
Enniscrone has not been online since 2011 but will receive an email to alert them to your message if their email and account is still active
best of luck
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This is great. Would love to contact you and know more about our family. My Dad George Williams is still alive and is 94 years old. I am told there is family in Liverpool also but do not know how to contact them. :) I think only one of Emily's sister knew of Dad.
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Have you tried the local papers in Dublin they would put a letter in their paper for you asking for information, maybe they would do a write up about George William.
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PennyHal, Thank you for your reply. It would be great to have contact with you as we have been searching for Dad's side of the family for a long time now. It would be fantastic for him to see photos of his mother Emily Williams or other family members as he is 94 years old now and time is running out for him.
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rathmore, Very good idea. Thank you.
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Myluck! I did not receive an email to alert me about Pennyhal's message and it was my sister who alerted me to it.
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you say George was farmed out with John Morris.
Do you know if he was in an Industrial school possibly Artane.
It rings of similarities to my grans brother who through no fault of his own spent a few years in Artane and when he was 16 he was also farmed out to a farm in Dublin till he was 18 he was back home for the 1911 census in Wexford.
I got this info from the Christian Brothers
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Myluck! I did not receive an email to alert me about Pennyhal's message and it was my sister who alerted me to it.
That's interesting - I thought unless you clicked not to be emailed that one was received
Glad you were informed and able to converse :)
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We have not been in contact with each other yet.
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Dathai, thank you for your message.
No my father George Williams was considered an abandoned child even though he was born in the workhouse and taken away from Emily, his mother. Around that time the government decided to foster out 'workhouse' children to families so children could have a better life. This was called 'Boarding Out' These families were paid good money to feed and cloth them. In practice they took the money and used the children as workhorses. They abused the children in their care badly. My father was especially beaten badly from the age of five, his life was dreadful where he was put to work in the fields and lived in a shed, he had to stand at the table of the family and eat the leftover scraps. I won't go into too much details as it was worse the the film 'Oliver' and still affects him badly today. He has never met any of his real family sadly.
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We would love to make contact with you. Hope you get this message. My Dad George Williams is still alive and we would love to hear more about the Williams family. :) Happy New Year.
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I am trying to contact PennyHal
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Alfred Benedict Williams 1896
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1895-1900_ba_0181
married Maria Lynar 1925
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1926/09114/5296702.pdf
you can get a photo here
http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=williams&srch_forename=alfred&srch_identityno=&srch_yob=&submit=Search
Henry Joseph Williams married Mary 0wens 1922
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09195/5325965.pdf
birth date a bit off
http://www.irishmariners.ie/searchdatabase.php?srch_surname=williams&srch_forename=henry+joseph&srch_identityno=&srch_yob=&submit=Search
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I am trying to contact PennyHal
Unfortunatly PennyHal only posted once and never returned, it may be that her email address has changed or her settings don't have email notifications turned on.
She only has one post so can't receive PMs, it might be best to ask a moderator to try to contact her.
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note on side of marriage cert mothers name is Mary Anne Keane not Kane dtr of Thomas Keane a Mariner
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11082/8055486.pdf
in 1862 64 and 65 Capel St was Home Hotel
http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/237.php
Thomas Keane one of these i presume
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq0/
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childrens baptisms mother Keane
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq2/
note Mary Annes sponsor Sarah Kean
Sarah born 1864 to Thomas Keane and Catherine Monks
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03606/2330334.pdf
childrens baptisms mother Kane
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq3/
James Keane also married a Monks
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10749/5920022.pdf
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq4/
Thomas jnr and Margaret Kelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10667/5887337.pdf
Joseph and Mary Anne Knight
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10309/5752714.pdf
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Sarah married Michael Hogg in 1893
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq5/
she said her father was still alive
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10607/5864274.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Summerhill/1326475/
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Hi Isobella, I am so pleased to hear from you. My name is Nuala Mallon. I am married to Seamus Mallon, his grandmother was Elizabeth Williams (Emily's sister). Ronnie is his cousin and the one who gave me your details. I also didn't get notification of your reply and had given up hope. My email address is (*) if you would like to contact me directly. I would love to hear from you, hope your Dad is well.
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