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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: scott125 on Tuesday 17 May 11 10:05 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
Iam looking fro what happen to the wife of James after he died Sophia Louisa or Louisa Sophia (nee) Bousfield b 1825 and what happen to there 3 daugthers?
(I am a decendant of the son "James H") the sisters were,
1) Mary Frances Drury b abt 1862,
2) Isabella Maud Drury b abt 1862 (odd)
3)Emily Henrietta Drury b abt 1864.
The way I understand it James was Doctor to the Queen, so I am hopeing that there are some records that have been kept of his chrildren. Did they all marry?
Many thanks Scott
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Starting with the 1861 census (just to confirm ages etc)
Reference RG09, Piece 9, Folio 52, Page 4
13 Radnor Place, Paddington
Drury, James S Head M 39 M D London MRGP Ery b Shrewsbury, Shropshire
Drury, Sophia L Wife F 32 b London
Drury, Caroline F Mother Widow F 61 b London
Drury, Mary F Daughter F 16 months b Paddington
Drury, Infant Son M 1 week b Paddington
+ 4 servants
So, Mary was born 1859, possibly December?
Then 1871 census
Reference RG10, 22, 44, 41
Radnor Place, Paddington
Drury, Sophia Head Widow F 42 b Chatham Place
Drury, Mary Frances Daughter F 11 b Radnor Place, Paddington
Drury, Isabella Maud Daughter F 8 b Radnor Place, Paddington
Drury, Emily Daughter F 7 b Radnor Place, Paddington
+ 11 Scholars, Governess, Housekeeper, Servant & Visitor
Sophia is still a widow in 1881:
Reference RG11, 17, 25, 2
13 Radnor Place, Paddington
Drury, Sophia Head Widow F 57 Schoolmistress b Middlesex, London
Drury, Mary F Daughter F 21 b Paddington
Drury, Emily Daughter F 17 b Paddington
+ 7 scholars, some visitors and servants
(N.B. FindMyPast transcription has apparently missed the daughters and some others)
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Well he didn't have much when he died...
UK Wills and Probate Index
DRURY James Samuel M.D. 28th May 1866
The will of James Samuel DRURY late of 13 Radnor Place in the Parish of Paddington in the County of Middlesex M.D. who died 11th November 1865 at 13 Radnor Place aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oath of Sophia Louisa DRURY of 13 Radnor Place aforesaid Widow the Relict one of the Executors. Effects 300UKPounds
Cheers
Karenlee
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UK Medical Registers 1863
DRURY James Samuel Registered Jan 1st 1850. Residence 13 Radnor Place Hyde Park London W. Qualifications Member of the Royal College of Surgeons England 1845. M.B 1848 M.D. 1852 University of London.
Cheers
Karenlee
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Marriage:
September qtr 1882
Kensington Vol 1a, Page 233
Drury, Mary Frances
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Fuller, Herbert Henry
Gibbs, John
However, Herbert Henry Fuller turns up in 1891 census with a wife Mary F.
June qtr 1882
Kensington Vol 1a, Page 236
Drury, Isabella Maud
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Crewe, Henry
Fischer, Robert
June qtr 1885
Paddington Vol 1a, Page 44
Drury, Emily Henrietta
Wyper, James
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UK Wills and Probate Index
DRURY Sophia Louisa 27th Aug 1886
The Will of Sophia Louisa DRURY of 13 Radnor Place Hyde Park in the County of Middlesex widow who died 12th July 1886 at 13 Radnor Place was proved at the Principal Registry by Mary Frances FULLER (wife of Herbert Henry FULLER Esquire ) of 2 South Parade Bedford Park Chiswick in the said County and Emily Henrietta WYPER ( wife of James WYPER Esquire ) of 83 Queen Margaret Cresent Hilshead Glasgow in North Britain the Daughters the Executrixes
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
Paddington St john
Westminster
23rd April 1885
WYPER James 33 years Bachelor Wholesale Stationer of 7 Bowmont Gardens Glasgow Father = James Cowan WYPER Wholesale Stationer
DRURY Emily Henrietta 21 years Spinster of 13 Radnor Place Father = James Samuel DRURY M.D>
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were J. N. WHITELAW and Mary WYPER
Cheers
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
Paddington St John
Westminster
26th July 1882
FULLER Herbert Henry of full age Bachelor Surveyor of 31 Oxford Terrace Father = Frances FULLER Surveyor
DRURY Mary Frances of full age Spinster of 13 Radnor Place Father = James DRURY M.D.
Both bride and groom signes
Witnesses were E. H. DRURY, James G. ?? and Roger H. FULLER
Cheers
Karenlee
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Marriage Register
Paddington St John
Westminster
28th June 1882
FISCHER Robert of full age Bachelor Barrister at Law of St Michael Paddington Father = George Frederick FISCHER Femidar?? of Salem
DRURY Isabella Maud of full age Spinster of St John Paddington Father = James DRURY M.D.
Both bride and groom signed
Witnesses were Mary Frances DRURY and George B. R. Bousford
Cheers
Karenlee
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Thanks, Karenlee!
I can't find Isabella in the 1891 census to confirm which of the 2 gentlemen she married!
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I can see James and Emily H WYPER in both the 1891 and 1901 Scottish Census' and there are no children on either.
UK Wills and Probate Index
WYPER James of Nithsdale Lodge Pollokshields Glasgow died 24th Feb 1922 at Pitlochy. Confirmation of John Strang WYPER and Janet Stewart PETERS or WYPER. Sealed London 28th Feb 1923.
Karenlee
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Hi
If he had been a physician to the Queen then you would expect an obituary in a newspaper like The Times, because he would have to have been a prominent and experienced practitioner.
James became a member of the Royal College of Surgeons in 1845 and gained his M.D. (second division) from London University in 1852 when at St George's Hospital. He received his Bachelor of Medicine in 1848 at St George's Hospital first division (second division in 1844). He was working for St Mary's Hospital in 1850 and 1851.
There is a notice in The Times (inserted by the family) for his marriage in 1859 but after that nothing further.
Regards
Valda
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Many thanks to all,
I have to go at some stage to a family member that has some of James Samuels stuff, a large vanity cases which was said, it was given to James Samuel's wife, from the Queen, why his son James Henry brought it out here to New Zealand I have no Idea.
He also has a large silver ink well which was given to James Samuel commanding officers for his work on the Crimean Peninsula, how dose one find out about his war record in the Crimean War?
More family storys are that James Henry Drury (my great great grandfather) went to Eton collage or one of the schools like it, how hard is it to try and prove that?
Also did the daughters of James Sameul have any children themself?
Thank you all so much, its so hard to try and source things form here, you are all filling in alot of blanks which is much appreciated
Thanks Scott
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Hi
The Genealogist website has the Eton registers.
http://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/nameindex/ai_content.php?type=diamond
He was mentioned in the letters of Lewis Carroll volume 1
snippet from Google books
'The parents of the girls were James Samuel Drury (1822-65), physician, and his wife Sophia Louisa, born Bousfield (d. 1886). The daughters were Mary "Minnie" Francis (1859-1935), who married (1882) Herbert Henry Fuller, land surveyor; ...'
Army doctors records
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/take-it-further/military/doctors-war-%E2%80%93-lists-and-records
I can't find the list it says exists on Genuki though.
Regards
Valda
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Interestingly the newspaper records of the marriage of Emily shows the marriage was conducted by "the Right Rev. the Bishop of Praetoria (uncle of the bride)".
There's also a note in the Glasgow Herald of June 23, 1896; that on the 21st the wife of James Wyper had a still-born daughter (address 11 Lansdown Crescent).
search.fibis.org/ shows that Isabella died in 1884 (reported in the Times of India).
Herbert and Mary appear to have had a son Charles Drury Fuller (there is a marriage and then a divorce for him, he possibly died in 1940 on the IoW).
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Scott I'm currently researching a Firth family who married into the Drury family.
James Samuel Drury's father was Richard Drury and his mother was Caroline Francis Firth. His father Richard was transported to Tasmania in 1827 after being found guilty of larceny at the Old Bailey in 1826.
Richard Drury married again in 1835 to a Frances Emma Jarrit at Sorell, Tasmania, presumably this was a bigamous marriage as his first wife did not die until 1879. Richard Drury died at Dunedin, New Zealand on 14 December 1864.
James Samuel Drury's death was reported in The Times on Nov 14 1865 but it does not mention he was a doctor to the Queen. There is also a report of Dr James Drury's death in London which states he was the eldest son of Richard Drury of Dunedin - it's in the Daily Southern Cross, 7 March 1866, Page 4 which you can view online at http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
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Hi
The online index doesn't seem to want to find it, but on a manual search of the 'Deaths' for 14th November 1865 in The Times you can scroll down and find the family inserted death notice which just states where and when he died and that it was a long illness. Is there an actual report of the death made by The Times?
Regards
Valda
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I am trying to confirm if I am also a descendant of James Henry Drury, cabman of Chrictchurch NZ who was the son of James Samuel Drury and grandson of Richard Drury. My great-grandfather, Benjamin Drury, was also a cabman in Christchurch at the same time as James Henry. I cant find any trace of Benjamin in UK records. He states on the NZ birth certificates of his children that he was born in Crewkerne Somerset. I am wondering, given the coincidence of name and occupation, whether he was an illegitimate older half-brother of James Henry. Benjamin was born in the range 1845-1855.
Other coincidences/connections are that Benjamin had a son named Richard, after Benjamin's death his widow lived in the same street as James Henry, two of the sons of Richard Drury from his Tasmanian family were also cabmen in Christchurch for a time.
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Scott,
Your James Samuel Drury had a son James Henry Drury who was sent out to New Zealand to my grandfather Philip Anderson who we suspect was his half brother . After extensive research I think Sophia Drury(nee Bousfield) may have had two children before marrying James Drury. My grandfather claims Rebekah Bousfield is his grandmother and Sophia Bousfield was sending him money in New Zealand. My grandfather writes about James Henry in his diaries and journals.
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Hi Chris. That is all very interesting.. Aim in Peru at the moment and am not near my Family tree stuff. James father Richard Drury was sent to Australia for steeling and ended up being released and then heading to Dunedin where he set up as a seed merchant in the 1840's (he was one of the 1st white guys down there). He in turn re married from memory a Caroline Francis??? And they had another 3 children (2 boys and a girl) I was trying to track descendants for them down but the trail ran cold. I was thinking this also may have been a reason James was sent out to N.Z (where do you live? I am in Christchurch) there are still grand children of James and Marie still about with a lot of info. I would be interested in chatting to you more. As I have just had the fires of the family tree re stoked as my son got me a Ancestry DNA test kit for my birthday.
Thanks Scott
(Oh and my middle middle name and my sons middle name is Samuel in the Drury family tradition)
Posted on behalf of scott125 who had sent the message to me in error. To reply to topics on RootsChat you need to login and click the reply button ;)
Welcome to RootsChat Chris :)
Sarah
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Hi Scott,
I'm in Sydney, where is home to you? Sophia Drury's (nee Bousfield) father William Cheek Bousfield was a barrister,and was Deputy Registrar of the Bankruptcy Court, and the irony is he ended up serving a sentence in debtor's prison. Both Sophia and James Drury had fathers who found themselves on the wrong side of the law. Sophia's father had premises with his partner Pilcher at 8 Chatham Pl Blackfriars in London . He owned a home in Warborough Oxfordshire and property at Mussel Hill. He died at Inns Court London a few years after getting out of prison. I have a photo of Sophia's mother Rebekah Bousfield(nee Richings). She comes from a family of clergy. Sophia's brothers were university educated, one was first Bishop of Pretoria, one a barrister , one a Surveyor etc.I have a tree on the Bousfields going back to 1600s and plenty of ancillary information. What I'm looking for is proof that Sophia was my great grandmother, I have a lot of circumstantial evidence but lack proof.
Do you know about Octavius Bousfield who was a Surveyor in NZ. Much is available about this family. My grandfather Philip Anderson was supposedly sent to his Uncle Octavius in NZ in1865.And James Henry Drury was sent to my grandfather later on. In his diaries Philip writes about repairing James Samuel Drury's desk that was sent to him in NZ.
I did know about Richard Drury's larceny charge. He was sent to Tasmania to serve his sentence and then went to NZ in1864. There are photos of Sophia, James Henry and James Samuel Drury posted in My Heritage. Did you put them there? If so where did you find them?
Much of the information I have is due to my cousin's many hours of work in copying my grandfather's diaries and journals which are held in the Mitchel Library Sydney. These books span 1865 ( year he went to NZ) to1938 when he died. However, he discusses some of his early years in Oxfordshire in them.
Sophia started a small school at 13 Radnor Pl Paddington London . She was also friends with Lewis Carroll who wrote a poem about James Henry's three sisters,Mary,Isabella and Emily.
Would be grateful to hear of any information that you have.
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The one thing I did not do is say that the James Samuel Drury I was referring to is James Samuel Drury II (he was the sone of the Doctor James Samuel Drury the 1st. His Father was Richard Drury who was sent to Australia.
Can this get also pasted with my other e mail.
(As a sides there was a James Samuel Drury III but he died 'aged 21' when the N.Z army operated on him so he could go to WW2)
A message from Scott
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HOW INTERESTING - the ongoing Anderson / Bousfield mystery.
Anything more in the way of facts of any possible previous marriage for Sophie Bousfield?
Sister to Octavius (which is my line here in NZ) ?
Anything more in the diaries held over there in Sydney?
Can you include me in on any outcomes or if anything comes to light.
Thanks
Genealogically yours,
Sue B (Bowers/Barnfather/Bousfield)
New Zealand
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Hi, I was able to read James Henry Drury's diary before Xmas. It is the most amazing read, he live a life to say the least. I will find my cousins (Ray Drury) e mail address and forward all this too him. He has so much info on the Drury family. He will have some answers. thanks Scott