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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: HeatherLynne on Saturday 28 May 11 22:57 BST (UK)
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Can anyone tell me whether it's possible to look up the above address on the 1930 electoral roll? My father's cousin died 'on the way to 93 Sydney Street' after sustaining an injury playing football. My father was only 2 years old at the time but he knew the story of this poor man's demise. He vaguely remembers there being a family connection with Sydney Street but cannot recall any more than that. The family name I'm looking for is Rassell or possibly Dunkley or Bunyan.
Thanks for reading and any help you may be able to give.
Heather
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Hi
"On the way to 93 ........"
Isn't(wasn't) 93 (part of) the hospital?
Could it be that they were taking him to the hospital after the accident?
R
Added - Apologies, Royal Brompton Hospital
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Hi Ray
Yes that does seem a distinct possibility, having looked at Google streetview the nearest visible house numbers to the present day hospital are 63 and 117 so 93 would have been in the middle somewhere. Many thanks for that suggestion.
I'd still be interested in viewing the electoral roll if it's available anywhere because of my father's recollection of there being a family connection. He was living in Edith Grove at the time and that house had been in the family for a good few years (sadly it was sold about 50 years ago!).
Thanks again, Heather
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Hi Heather
Researchers in and around London who are able to do research are few and far between.
The local studies for Kensington & Chelsea may have a copy
http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/leisureandlibraries/libraries/localstudiesandarchives.aspx
I suggest you send them an email asking for the look-up for that address in 1929 and 1930.
If they can't help, there's a copy at the London Metropolitan Archives but they charge £50 per hour for research. I should be back there in a couple of weeks time if you haven't been able to get the information you need by then.
Dawn
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Many thanks for your reply Dawn, luckily I only live about an hour from London so can visit from time to time.
I'll send a mail as you suggest, I've been researching the Royal Brompton Hospital trying to see when the site spread as large as it is today. In 1911 there are two households listed at 93 Sydney Street but that house may have been demolished and the land used by the hospital by the time my relative died 'on the way to 93 Sydney Street' in 1930.
I'd be very grateful if you get a chance to look at the LMA, I have visited there last year but doubt I'll be able to go again til later in the summer.
Thanks again, Heather
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Hello Heather,
I too have an interest in 93 Sydney Street as according to a Probate report my Great Great Grandfather died there in 1931.
Having done some digging I've found that the address might be something to do with St Luke's Workhouse & Infirmary.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Chelsea
That would make sense for your injured footballer and my elderly relative.
I have also found other probate reports stating that was the address of St Luke's Hospital.
Regards
Emma
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Hi Emma and welcome to Rootschat!
Thanks for that information, that's very helpful. Seems very likely my footballer was on the way to get medical attention when he died then.
Good luck with your research, you're going to love this place :)
Best wishes, Heather
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In the 1921 PO Directory, number 93 is the home of builder Oswald Craske. Per the phone books he seems to have left that address circa 1926. In the 1934 Directory, St Luke's Hospital is mentioned at number 87 and the next listing on Sydney Street is for number 117.
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Thank you for that Shaun, very interesting. I'll ask my Dad if the name Oswald Craske means anything to him - quite a memorable name I think! Probably more likely he was being taken to the hospital than a builder's house so sometime between 1926 and 1930 St Luke's must have taken over the site. Although of course I suppose it's possible the whole road could have been renumbered at some point.
Thanks again, Heather
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It's not renumbering - the block is between the same roads in each directory: Cale Street and Britten Street.
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Thanks for the welcome Heather, been lurking around for a while but just had to post when I saw your thread!
Interesting information Shaun thanks for adding it. :)
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Hi, just by chance I googled Rassell and football and came up with this page of yours. So had to register with Roots to get to reply!
My mother in law was a Dunkley and her aunt was Rose Rassell and the footballer we believe was one of her Children.
We have photos somewhere.
Believed he played for Dulwich hamlet and he was not a professional, but not sure on that as this part of the family we haven't researched much.
We do have extensive Dunkley research however, which might be of interest..
Hope that is of interest to you
cheers
booboomac or just reply to Christine
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Hi Christine! Welcome to Rootschat, it's a great place and full of very helpful knowledgeable people :)
Yes your reply is very interesting and it would be fascinating to see some photos ;D
Since I wrote this thread, and through a link another Chatter posted on this forum, I found a newspaper report giving more information. I have details on another computer that I'll look up tomorrow :)
Briefly though I can tell you the man was named Ernest William Rassell and his mother was nee Rose Dunkley. I found that at the time of his death he was playing for Kingstonian F.C. and it appears his brother did too.
I shall mention Dulwich hamlet to my Dad and see if that rings any bells with him, although the family story was that the football club was either Chelsea or Fulham!
Look forward to hearing from you again, once you have made three posts we will be able to correspond via the personal message system and swop email addresses without putting details on the net.
Best wishes, Heather
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Heather, hi.
George Ernest and Evelyn Rassell were my mother's cousins and I knew Evelyn well.
Rose, their mother was my mother's aunt and my mothers sister lived with the Rassells when she was younger.
My grandfather, Rose's brother, read about Ernest's death in the News of the World. So the family were aware of it. Yes it was Kingstonians, and it was possibly another relative who played for Dulwich. When younger, football was a big thing in my family.
I have no recollection of my aunt saying that Ernest played for Fulham or Chelsea. The family did live in Fulham as Matthew Dunkley, the eldest brother and his and Rose's mother Emma lived with them together with my grandfather and they had a dairy business.
So, are your father and my father cousins?
Are you a Rassell or a Dunkley descendent?
Love to hear from you again,
Christine
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Hi Christine
My maiden name was Rassell, and I'll have to study the tree to see the connection (I'm at work at the moment). I think that means we're connected by marriage? I'm sure my Dad will be very interested to hear of another branch of the family, he's over 80 and memory is not quite what it was but he remembers lots from the old days.
If you make one more post on this thread then I can send you a link to my online tree :)
Regards, Heather
p.s. I don't think Ernest did play for Fulham or Chelsea but that was the family story I was told. It seems he was Captain of Kingstonian at the time of his death, I'm trying to find the newspaper report again to send you.
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Hi
Im trying to research 93 Robert Street, Chelsea which I believe may have been changed to Sydney Street. On a birth certificate for George William Chubb, born at 93 Robert Street it states his father Harry or Henry was a plumber. On 1891 census 93 is shown as a workshop but with no names attached. No 93 doesnt appear on any other census. I cannot seem to find this family on any census apart from GW Chubb on 1911. When I googled Robert Street Chelsea, Thomas Crappers biolgraphy came up as being an apprentice for a plumber on Robert St and then starting his own business in Marlborough Works, Chelsea in 1861. So I thought maybe Harry/Henry Chubb may have been employed by him and therefore lived nearby. If anyone has access to electoral rolls from 1884 to 1904 when he died and could find them I would be extremely grateful. He is Harry/Henry Chubb (birth date not known) and wife Elizabeth Jane Chubb (formerly Kingston) birth date not known. George William Chubb born 1884
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Hi
Im trying to research 93 Robert Street, Chelsea which I believe may have been changed to Sydney Street. On a birth certificate for George William Chubb, born at 93 Robert Street it states his father Harry or Henry was a plumber. On 1891 census 93 is shown as a workshop but with no names attached. No 93 doesnt appear on any other census. I cannot seem to find this family on any census apart from GW Chubb on 1911. When I googled Robert Street Chelsea, Thomas Crappers biolgraphy came up as being an apprentice for a plumber on Robert St and then starting his own business in Marlborough Works, Chelsea in 1861. So I thought maybe Harry/Henry Chubb may have been employed by him and therefore lived nearby. If anyone has access to electoral rolls from 1884 to 1904 when he died and could find them I would be extremely grateful. He is Harry/Henry Chubb (birth date not known) and wife Elizabeth Jane Chubb (formerly Kingston) birth date not known. George William Chubb born 1884
Hi,
Can't help regarding the electoral roles, quite possible because at that time men had to be "of a certain means" to have the vote, so he may not have been entitled.
But further to the couple themselves and their "birth date not known", should Elizabeth's maiden name be Hingston (I couldn't see a Chubb - Kingston marriage)?
If so, this would tie in with a marriage indexed as Henry Stephen Chubb to Elizabeth Jane Hingston in Plymouth Sept Qtr 1878. This itself ties in with a 1881 census entry of the same couple living at the same address as William and Mary Hingston (in-laws?) in Summerland Place, Plymouth. Henry is shown as a plumber. Henry is shown as 25 (b.Devonport), Elizabeth 24 (b.Plymouth). This then leads to a few possible births for Henry, but my favourite would be the Dec Q.1855 in Stoke D(amerel) [an area of Devonport]. Whilst Elizabeth looks good for June Qtr 1857 in Plymouth. By 1891 he was widowed, still in Summerland Place, Elizabeth having died in Plymouth in Dec.Q.1890 (age 32).
But....this seems a bit weird though, with George being born in Chelsea.
Forgot to mention, if this is him, then in 1901 he is in Plymouth with second wife Annie (married 1894?) and by 1911 they have moved to Bigbury, nr Kingsbridge.
PPS - In 1891, there is a George of the correct age living with Henry Stephen's probable parents in Bigbury, down as grandson (although he is stated as being born in Plymouth). Of course, may not be relevent, but....
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Thanks very much for your help. The marriage certainly seems to fit as does other things that you have mentioned, except that the birth certificate states George Wm Chubb 1884 was definitely born in Chelsea. Also on his marriage cert in 1911 to Florence May Archer, his father Henry/Harry is stated as deceased. Its so annoying that lots of things seem to fit but then theres seems to be something saying otherwise. Im really grateful for the trouble you have taken finding this info and will certainly keep checking into it.
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Hi Heather
The Times
12th March 1930
DEATH OF E. RASSELL
E. Rassell, captain of the Kingstonian Football Club, died suddenly on Monday. He played at full back for the club on Saturday and appeared to be in the best of health. He was about 30 years of age, and lived at Wardo Avenue Fulham. He leaves a widow and one child. He joined the Kingstonian Football Club in 1921, and since then he had been one of their most regular players. For over eight seasons he did not miss a Saturday match. For the last six years he and his brother, F.G. Rassell, were the club's full backs. He had played both for Surrey and London, but had had to decline invitations to play in many representative matches for reasons of business.
A post-mortem examination is being held, and it will depend on the doctor's findings whether there will be a coroner's inquest.
Regards
Rob
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Hi Rob and welcome to Rootschat!
Many thanks indeed for posting that extract, it gives much more information than the clipping I found before. :)
Kind regards, Heather
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Hi Burston,
I have just come across this post from a few years ago. Did you make any progress with this? The Hingstons in Summerland Place are my family and the Chubb marriage was to Hingston, not Kingston. If you want more detail, let me know.