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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Moray (Elginshire) => Topic started by: Amberglass on Sunday 12 June 11 02:51 BST (UK)
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:)My grandmother was Jane McPherson Hay although she went by the name Jean. She was born in 1891 in either Nairn or Cummingston. Her parents were James Hay born 1863 and Jane McPherson Hay born 1864. I believe that Jane McPherson Hay's parents were William and Isabella from Hopeman. My grandmother had an uncle George Steven born 1853, a brother Robert, born in 1888 that died Sept 4th 1918 in WW1,{ I believe that my great uncles name is on a WW1 war monument in Cummingston}, she had sisters Isabella born 1889, Elizabeth born approx 1890 and Willimina born approx. 1900. My grandmother had a niece Jessie that moved to Canada as well. I believe they lived in a long cobblestone house that still stands in Cummingston. {thank you google street view} as I have many pictures of my grandmother and her family at that house.
My grandmother had many aunts and uncles in the area as well as other siblings that I am trying to confirm.... although I have been told that 4 died at birth. I have been searching for so long. I cant believe that they all just up and moved away. My grandmother travelled back to the area on a few occasions, I have many pictures to document family there.
Any help with information would be very much appreciated. :) I have been searching a long time and Im getting discouraged.
Thank You, Amberglass :)
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Hello
Do you have this??
1901 Reference No 131/1
Burghead
Duffus
Moray
address Cummingston Village
James Hay age 38 Quarry Foreman born Cummingston
Jane wife age 37 Hopeman Morayshire
William son age 15 born Buchan Aberdeenshire Apprnetice Baker
Robert Hay age 13 cattleman on farm born Cummingston Morayshire
Elizabeth dau age 11 Cummingston
Jane dau age 9 Cummingston
Williamina dau age 1 Cummingston
1891
Reference No 131
Address Cummingston
Duffus Moray
James Hay age 27 Quarryman born Duffus
Jane wife age 27 born Hopeman
James son age 8 born Hopeman
William son age 6 born Buchan Peterhead
Robert son age 5 born Duffus
Isabella I M dau age 2 Duffus
Elizabeth dau age 1 Duffus
Pam
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1901
Reference No 131/1
Burghead
Duffus
address Cummingston Village
Elspet Hay age 29 Aut?? worker domestic
Jane Campbell/Camphell age 14 daughter born Cummingston
Isabella Hay age 13 niece born Cummingston
1901
Reference No 98
Inverness
22 Innes Street
Christina Hugher age 55 born Kiltarlity Inverness Green Grocer
William Hugher son age 18 apprentice Painter Kiltarlity
James Hay age 18 boarder born Hopeman Moray apprentice Mason
Pam
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Pam, Thank you!
I knew that my GGF was a quarry master. The other things I didn't know though. I do have census reports, but none that have shown me what you just did. I found passenger lists when my grandmother came over on the Caledonia etc but not too much info on family back home in Scotland.
I expected with a family that large, that there would be a lot of information out there. :-\
I have a lot of pictures to share if I ever track down family members in that area.
Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate the information you gave me.
Amberglass
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Was your great Uncle George a Hay or Mcpherson?
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1861
registration No 131
23 Dunbar Street
Duffus
Moray
William Mcpherson age 38 fisherman Hopeman
Isabella wife age 36 Hopeman
Donald son age 14 Hopeman fisherman
Mary dau age 12 Hopeman
Isabella dau age 9 Hopeman
John son age 10 Hopeman
Alexander son age 9 Hopeman
Kenneth Corbett Mcpherson son age 3 Hopeman
the family 1871 23 Dunbar Street Duffus Moray
have no Jane or Jean dau born 1864
Also a Mcpherson family 1871 6 Peppy street Duffus William age 28 born Duffus fisherman Isabella wife age 24 Duffus Daniel son age 3 William son age 7 months
also 1871 Duffus 10 Mid Street William Mcpherson age 43 fisherman Isabella wife age 43 Duffus Margaret dau age 21 William son age 18 James son age 13 Archibald son age 12 John son age 8
Isabella dau age 6 Annie dau age 4
Regards Happy Hunting
Pam
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Hi Pam,
My great Uncle "George Stephen", was a Hay born in 1851. He died in 1914.He was a brother to James {my grandmother's father} and son to George and Christine Hay. I have found quite a bit of information as well as photographs on him. He married Margaret McGillivray in 1880 and moved to New South Wales Australia. There is a wealth of information on that family line. A lot of family working on it right now, new information almost daily!
I am in need of information on a few of George and James's siblings. Girls, named May:1855 and Johann:1857 and a boy named Christopher :1865 ....and any others that I haven't found yet.
Thanks again for your help.
Amberglass :)
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If you are looking for anyone in the Moray area, a good free site is the Libindx one. It allows you to do people searches.
Graham.
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Thank you Graham. I will check that out. :)
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1861
Registration No 135
Elgin
Moray
George Hay age 33 born Newspynie Morayshire Wool Weaver
Christina wife age 30 born Nairn Nairnshire
George son age 8 Born Duffus
May dau age 6 rest born Elgin
Joanna dau age 4
Alexander son age 2
James son age 5 months
1871
Registration No 135B
Elgin Landward
Elgin
address Erisholl
John Cook age 73? farmer of 28 acres employing 1 man 1 girl
Jannett Cook age 25? wife
James Fraser age 17 ploughman
May Hay servant age 16 dairymaid born Elgin
1871
Registration No 135B
Elgin Lanward
Elgin
Morayshire
Address Colburn
George Hay age 18 born Duffus woollen weaver and spinner
Christina mother age 44 born Nairn housekeeper
Alexander brother age 11 Elgin
James brother age 9 Elgin
Christopher brother age 6 born Mortlack Baff
Christina Murray age 68 grandmother born Crief Suntherland annuitant
1881
Registration No 135
Elgin
Moray
15 Wiseman Lane
Christina Hay age 52 born Nairn
Joana dau age 24 born Glass Banffshire domestic servant
Christopher son age 17 born Elgin Booksellers porter
Pam
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1871
Registraion No 135B
Elgin
Morayshire
address Easter Whitewreath
Joanna Hay age 14 Servant with William Reid and family meal Miller
1891
Registration No 387
Perth
Perthshire
32 Whitefriars Street
James Morrison age 40 signal fitter railway born Kinnaird Perthshire
Jessie wife age 32 Perth
Mary B dau age 12 Erroll Perthshire
John son age 7 Perth
Thomas L son age 4 Perth
Jane H dau age 18 months perth
Alexr Lamb age 23 lodger born Alnmondbank Perthshire
Christopher Hay age 28 born Mortlach Banff visitor Locomotive Fireman
Margt M Hay age 26 born Elgin visitor
Margt M Hay age 5 born Elgin Visitor
James W Hay age 3 visitor born Elgin
Eveline Hay age 8 months visitor
1901 Registration No 168/1
Aberdeen West
Aberdeenshire
47 Loch Street
Margaret W Hay age 35 wife marine engineers wife born Elgin
Margaret M dau age 15 born Elgin
James W son age 3 Elgin
Evaline dau age 10 Elgin
Christopher M son age 6 Aberdeen
Albert son age 3 Aberdeen
James Gillan age 17 boarder born Elgin Railway engine cleaner
Pam
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Hello
could George have been married before?
1851
Parish No 135
Elgin
17 Collie Street
George Hay age born New Spynie Morayshire weaver
Margaret wife age 27 born Elgin
Pam
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I dont know if George had been married before...I dont think so. :-\
Thank you Pam for all that you have added.
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Do you have this from the Morayshire Roll of Honour:-
HAY ROBERT. No.79710, Pte., Royal Fusiliers; born at Cummingston, Duffus, 5th Dec., 1885; joined at Newcastle-on-Tyne, 12th June 1815; served in France; gunshot wound through arm, June 8th 1916, and killed at Ypres, Sept. 4th 1918. Son of James and Jane Hay, Cummingston. Occupation, marine engineer.
Regards
Jen
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Jen, :)
I had some of that information but did not know about the gunshot wound or his exact birthday! . Thank you!
Where did you find that information, if you dont mind sharing..
I am working on a scrapbook of him and really appreciate the information.
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Hi,
It's from a book called "The Morayshire Roll of Honour a biographical record of the men and women who took part in the great war 1914-1918".
I have a copy that belonged to my grandfather and when I saw your original post I thought I would look it up to see if your Robert was there.
I also had a look for him on http://www.cwgc.org/ and he's there too but maybe you've seen that.
Regards
Jen
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Well Jen,
Thank you very much. I would never have leaned those bits of information had it not been for you. :) You have given me more to go on.
Now, if I could find a picture of him, Id be a reall happy camper. I have a picture of the Royal Fusiliers but I have no idea which one he is. :D There is a man in the picture that is the spitting image of one of my brothers and of my father....I am thinking that it may be him. LOL
Thanks again!
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Amberglass:
I believe we may be related. Your mention of the ship Caledonia triggered it. My GGF William Hay MacKenzie also came over on the Caledonia to Montreal, then to Ontario. His father, Thomas MacKenzie married Elizabeth Cameron Merrilees. Thomas's parents were Alexander McKenzie and Margaret Hay. Margaret Hay was born about 1816 in Hopeman, Duffus, Morayshire. She died in Aberlemno, Angus, Scotland 12 November 1887 and is buried in the Aberlemno Churchyard - apparently it is either in Forarshire or Angus as the boundaries moved some over time. Her parents were William Hay and Agnes Mason. William was a mason in Duffus, Morayshire in several Census. (1851 and 1861 I believe - if these are the same people).
I am trying to find out anything about the ancestors of Margaret Hay but apparently the records of Duffus Morayshire are not available through SP or FamilySearch.
Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
Scott
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Hi Scott
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
has a lot of info about people from Moray
Regards
Jen
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From http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp:
NM259568
GEORGE HAY
c. 1829 to pre 1884
Occupation : MASON
Date of Birth : c. 1829
Spouse's Name : KATHERINE FARQUHAR
Date of Marriage : 03 OCT 1856
Place of Marriage : DUFFUS CHURCH OF SCOTLANS
Date of Death : pre 1884
Could these be the parents of George Hay that you seek? Not sure how they fit - I did a search on "Mason" as occupation in Moray.
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Scott,
I'm going to do some searching in the next few days.I'll post if I find anything.
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Hi,
I have just seen your thread re Hay family from Cummingston. My great grandfather was George Stephen Hay from Elgin, Scotland. He immigrated to Australia and had a successful career in the Post Office, married and had a few children, one of which was my grandmother. I have photos of him and his wife.
If you are interested, please let me know
Sincerely,
Stephen Cutler
Ballarat, Australia.
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Hi Stephen! It's very nice to meet you! Our great grandfathers were brothers! My great grandfather was James and he was 7 years younger than your George. My GGrandfather stayed on in Scotland. I have added some of your family into my tree already. Are you on ancestry? I have a few very old photos of James, his wife and children. I also have photos that were my grandmothers, taken back in Scotland but I have no idea who the folks in them are. Feel free to email me at Scrapbookingcathy@gmail.com. I am in Toronto Ontario.
Cathy
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FYI, I am currently updating www.livesofthefirstworldwar.org and as part of that, have been updating Robert Hay which may be of interest to you all. I have included his profile link. You may have to register to see it. It is part of the Imperial war Museum in the UK and willnot cost you anything, in fact you can also update the site with information and photos. Thanks Vince Stuart, Hopeman, Morayshire, Scotland. Link is https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/1790907#facts
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Hi
Looking to contact any family member of James and Jane Hay from cummingston Moray. My Mum was Born in 1910, to Isabella Hay daughter of James and Jane Hay and I think she emigrated to Canada after my mum was born, Her name was Mary Geddie Hay, and was brought up by the Geddie Family in Grantown on Spey. Would love to hear from anyone
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I have the Geddie family that Mary Geddie Hay was brought up by and was about to add her, suspecting that Colin (Murdoch) Geddie is Mary's actual father. Do you have any records that might conform this or prove it was someone else?
Have a look at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Murdoch-840 (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Murdoch-840) and see what you think,
Best regards,
Moira