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Title: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: DavoBrown on Wednesday 22 June 11 11:04 BST (UK)
Wife is related by marriage to Siely's in Tasmania that descend from Andrew Siely in  Walcot, Norfolk.
Freereg has done a very good job of transcribing the Parish Registers from North Walsham, Walcot and Happisburgh, and have sorted out Andrew's descendants reasonably well.

There are a lot of Siely's, that are probably related to Andrew, mentioned in the Registers from the 17th Century, but I can't work out how to relate them.

Has anyone done a Siely Tree from the area that goes back before Andrew Siely, and shows how they all connect ?

Would be interested to know if Andrew is related closely to the John Siely from Norwich at the time, who was a Surgoen, but had children baptised and married at North Walsham
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: Avrina on Friday 24 June 16 11:46 BST (UK)
I have a bit more information on the Siely family. I have two generations back from Andrew and I can confirm that John Siely, surgeon, was his brother. I'm still getting to grips with mapping the Siely family, but would be interested to know how your wife is related to Andrew.
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: DavoBrown on Saturday 25 June 16 08:02 BST (UK)
Wow! Lot of water under the bridge since 2011 ! Actually, am no longer married to the person with the Siely connection. But anyway, still interested in Genealogy, and happy to help people trace their Family Tree.
So, the connection goes like this:
Andrew Siely 1765-1859 then Son James Cubitt Siely 1785-1862 then Son James Siely 1811-1888
the Son James Siely 1837-1908 who emigrated to Australia arriving on 1st April 1854 on the ship 'Golden Age" then Son Walter Siely 1862-1913 who was living at Kiama on the NSW South Coast when killed by his daughter ( Appears a rather nasty chappie and the jury let her off ! ) then
Charles E Siely 1887-1937 who moved to Tasmania and was completely different to his father and was a Police Hero when he saved a town just out of Hobart from a Bushfire. He is listed on the Police Honour Roll in Canberra. Then his Son James Henry Charles Siely 1912-1968 then my ex Wife's Brother in Law Brian Geoffrey Siely 1936-2014. He is survived by two Sons and a daughter who live in Hobart, all with children of their own.
Regards Mike ( See you got Brexit yesterday. Glad I'm in Australia these days ! )
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 25 June 16 10:42 BST (UK)
Avrina, a very warm welcome to Rootschat.

I'd arrived at John as a possible brother via -

FindMyPast burial - John Siely, age 84, abode Stalham, date 29 Mar 1842 (calc. year of birth 1758)

History, Gazetteer and Directory, Norfolk, 1836
"Stalham, John Siely, Surgeon"

FindMyPast baptisms to parents John & Elizabeth Sillie
John, bap 19 Dec 1758, parish Aylsham,
Andrew, bap 29 Nov 1765, Walcot
Hannah, bap ? Nov 1770, Walcot
James, bap 1 Oct 1775

Is John, bap Aylsham the brother of Andrew, bap Walcot?


 
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: Avrina on Saturday 25 June 16 10:46 BST (UK)
Firstly, to answer Mike - Yes, sorry, it was a bit of a long shot really, replying after so long. It’s only now though that I’ve had the time to spend on family history research, coupled with findmypast conveniently releasing lots of Norfolk parish records. One of the reasons I asked is that I had been in touch with someone in Australia before, who kindly sent me some information. However, now I’ve had a look at the parish registers, together with some wills, I’ve found their research to be inaccurate. It is very difficult with 5 brothers calling their sons the same names, but I think James born 1811 was the son of James and Martha. James Cubitt Siely was the son of Andrew Siely and Elizabeth Press and he only had one son, Frederick Thomas, who died age 25. I also thought I had census history for James born 1837 going up to 1901, although it’s difficult to be sure on that. The lady I was in touch with before (initials MS) had a different James Siely (born 1828) as the one emigrating and fathering Walter Siely.
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: Avrina on Saturday 25 June 16 10:55 BST (UK)
Thanks for the welcome. I’ve been a member for quite some time, but never posted anything before. To answer your question, yes I believe so. There were 6 children in total: John 1758, Thomas 1760, Alexander 1762, Andrew 1765, Hannah 1770 and James 1775. They are all mentioned in the wills of both their father John Sillie and his bachelor brother Andrew Siely.
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 25 June 16 13:56 BST (UK)
Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: DavoBrown on Sunday 26 June 16 02:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Avrina, will have a think and a bit more of a rummage around concerning James Cubitt Siely. The other person may be right concerning the James that came to Australia.
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: DavoBrown on Sunday 26 June 16 05:57 BST (UK)
Avrina, well it is quite a while since I did the Siely Tree. And even then they were a bit of a conundrum. You probably have access to more data than I did, since I was only looking at what had been put up on the Internet at the time.
However in my Tree I have two James Cubitt Siely's
I have James Cubitt Siely 1785-1862 ( who was the Son of Andrew Siely 1765-1859 and Mary Cubitt 1765-1807 ). He is the one that I claim was the ancestor of the Australian link.
I also have a James Cubitt Siely b13 Aug 1815 d 14 Apr 1883 ( who was the Son of Andrew Siely and Andrew's second wife, Elizabeth Press ) and who married Mary Cubitt Houghton 1810-1854, and they are the ones who had the Son, Frederick Thomas 1842-1868.
Does seem a bit strange that you would name a Son with your second wife, exactly the same name as a Son with the Previous, but somehow I did find two James Cubitt's with what appear to be valid Birth and death Dates.
I have the first James Cubitt ( 1785-1862 ) as marrying Martha Gold on 22 Sept 1802 at St Mary's Church in Happisburgh.Then having their Son, James Siely, baptised in Happisburgh on 17 Mar 1811.
I have no James Siely's in my Tree that were born in 1828. The nearest is a James Siely baptised in East Ruston 13 Aug 1835. Then of course the one who came to Australia, and I have him being baptised at St Peter's Church in Ridlington 16 Oct 1837.
If you have any definitely verified data that disagrees with any of this, please let me know.
Regards
Mike
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: Avrina on Sunday 26 June 16 11:27 BST (UK)
Hi Mike

Yes there is so much more data available online than there used to be. Even with access to all these parish register images though, it was pretty difficult to pin down who belonged to who.

For all my research I’m mostly using the parish register images, although some are from archdeacon’s or bishop’s transcripts. Most of these are available at familysearch, but the parish registers have also been transcribed at findmypast. These I’ve then supplemented with some wills I’ve come across and checked that census entries don’t contradict them. So, the data I’m using is scanned source data, which I guess is about as verified as you can get without viewing the registers yourself.

I would be very interested to know the source for the James Cubitt Siely birth in 1785, as I can find no evidence of this, either on familysearch or FreeReg. Indeed, although it doesn’t absolutely rule it out, Andrew didn’t marry Mary Cubitt until 1789 in Norwich St. Andrew. I believe that the James buried in 1862 (age 88) in Walcot was Andrew’s brother James, baptised James Sillie in 1775 in Walcot. The James that married Martha Gold in 1802 in Happisburgh was again this same James, without the middle name Cubitt.

I also have a fairly full history for 1811 James, who was the son of 1775 James, with him marrying Elizabeth Nicolds in 1836 and Martha Postle in 1846, with the son James baptised in Ridlington in 1837, as you say.

James Siely, baptised in 1828 in Stalham, was actually the illegitimate child (with twin brother Walter) of James born 1797 (son of another of Andrew’s brothers John) and Mary Finch. They had a number of children before eventually getting married in North Walsham in 1853. The fact that one of the Australian James’ son was called Walter might also seem to bear out this James as being the one who emigrated. According to my previous Australian contact he also had a couple of other sons with the names William and James Woodbine, William and Woodbine also being the names of other brothers of this James. I also found an obituary for James at https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/165397441 which gives his age as 81, again tying in with the 1828 baptism.
Title: Re: Andrew Siely B 1765 D 1859 Walcot Norfolk
Post by: DavoBrown on Monday 27 June 16 10:22 BST (UK)
Thanks Avrina. Looks like you have pretty well nailed it.
I can't find my first James Cubitt either. Think perhaps I created him just to fill the gap
in the Tree.
Appreciate all the info you have supplied.
Will now do a bit of Tree pruning to fit in the correct details
Regards
Mike