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I have photographs of headstones from Cambusnethan Churchyard at Greenhead Road (not the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill). If anyone requires a copy, please contact me by PM and include your email address. The names in upper-case are the principal surnames on the stone, (usually Husband + Wife). The names in lower-case are Christian names and placenames. Where there is only one surname, I have tried to add at least one Christian name.
This thread is purely for requests of photos for this particular cemetery and any new genealogical research post should move to a new thread
ALLAN & GORDON
ALLAN, HAMILTON & STEEL
ANDERSON & LUNN
BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
BLACK & DALZIEL
BOND, EASTON & SOMMERVILLE, Holytown
BROWN (Rev Peter) & SMITH
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON
BROWNLEE & GARDENER
BROWNLEE & HENDERSON
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY
BURNS & YETTS
CAIRNS & CARR
CRAIG & PATERSON
CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK
CALVIN & LAW
CLARKSON & BUCHANAN
CLELLAND & WALKER
COOPER & HAMILTON
CRAWFORD James 1853
CULLAN & BARMAN
CUMMINGHAM & KENNEDY
CUNNINGHAM & PRENTICE
CURRIE, HILL AND RUSSELL
CURRIE, THOMSON & THOM
DALZIEL & BRUCE
DALZIEL & CALDERHEAD
DALZIEL & DENIVAN
DALZIEL, MARSHALL & HODGE
DALZIEL & McFARLANE
DEAN & STINTON
DICKSON & NICOL
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE
DOUGLAS & BRUNT
DOUGLAS & STALKER
DUNN & GIBB
EASTON & LINDSAY
ELLIS & JAMIESON
FERGUSON & BROWNLIE
FERGUSON & CARMICHAEL
FERGUSON & GIBSON
FINLAY & SMITH
FORREST & MCnICOL
FORSYTH & TAYLOR
FRASER, BINNING, GILCHRIST & MARSHALL
FRENCH, FINLAY & LORIMER
GARDENER & BLACK
GARDNER & DALZIEL
GARDNER, McDONALD & HADDOW
GIBB, Robert & William
GILLESPIE & ALEXANDER
GOLD & MORTON
GOLD, WEIR & KILPATRICK
GOURLAY & AGUS
GRAHAM & STORRIE
GP & CR
GREY, DOUGLAS & DOBSON
GREY & PETTIGREW
HADDOW & MILLER
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE
HALLIDAY & PATERSON
HAMILTON & GILCHRIST
HAMILTON & McDONALD
HAMILTON & WYLIE
HANNAH & SMELLIE
HASTIE, BROWN & DALLAS
HAY, FISHER & BROWN
HEPBURN & DOUGLAS
HEPBURN, LOUDON & GROGAN
HEPBURN, SCOTT, STEWART, DAWSON, HAMILTON, GREY & NEILSON
HEPBURN & THOMSON
HEPBURN & WEIR
HEWITT, LIDDELL, REID, GILMOUR & KING
HORN & NAIRN
HUTTON & McMURTRIE
INGLES, SMITH & HAILSTONES
INGLIS & MARSHALL
IRVINE James 1859
JACK, WATT & LINDSAY
JACKSON, Douglas
JARDINE & HOOD
JARDINE, REID & ADAMS
KENNEDY & PATERSON
KERR & BRAIDWOOD
KIDD & TAYLOR
KILPATRICK & DARLING
KILPATRICK & WATSON
LAW & LEEPER
LEIGHTON David of coltness
LIDDELL Margaret, daughter of John
LIGHTBODY & DOUGLAS
LIGHTBODY & YETTS
LINDSAY, STEELE & SOMMERVILLE
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG
LONG Andrew
LOUDON & CUNNINGHAM
LOUDON, CUNNINGHAM & ELDER
LOUDON & MAIN, Stane
LOUDON, STEEL & SMITH
LOUDON & STEWART, Bonkle
MACKAY, FLEMING & WALLACE
MacLEAN & SNEDDON
MANN & HAMILTON
MARSHALL, BARCLAY & HOGG
MARSHALL & RUSSELL, Kingshill
MARTIN & BURNS
MARTIN & SYM
MASON & STARK
McALPINE & French
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM
McCORMICK & JOHNSTON
McCRONE & LANG
McCRONE Isabella
McDONALD & BAILLIE
McDONALD & McFARLANE
McFARLANE & WAUGH
MCINTYRE, Rev John
McKINLAY & McNEIL
McLEAN, David & Sarah
McLEAN & ADAMSON
McLEAN & BAILLIE
McLEAN & McDONALD
McLEOD & CRAWFORD
McQUEEN, Stonehouse moor
MILLER, J. (Corporal WWI)
MILLER & ELDER
MITCHELL & McFARLANE
MOFFAT, DAVIDSON, REID & PATERSON
MONTGOMERIE & NICHOLSON
MORTON, James
MORTON & GARDNER
MORTON & GOLD
MORTON & HAMILTON
MUIR & DOUGLAS
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
MUIRHEAD & BARR
MUIRHEAD & WEIR
NAISMITH & CALLAN
NAISMITH & CULLAN
NEILSON & BELL
NEILSON & BUCHANAN
PATON & COWAN
PATTERSON & DALZIEL
PENDER & McCULLOCH
PETTIGREW, Thomas
PETTIGREW, FORREST & GIBSON
PETTIGREW & REID
PORTER, Henry & Sarah Jane
PRENTICE, BLACK, GILCHRIST & DENT
PRENTICE, CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
PRENTICE & FRAME
PRENTICE & HAMILTON
PRENTICE & TORRANCE
RAE, James 1855
RANKIN
REID & GARDNER
RENWICK & LINDSAY
RITCHIE, Jeannie 1854
RITCHIE & RODGERS
ROBB & GIBB
ROBERT, RAE & CLELLAND
ROBERTSON, James & William, preacher
ROBERTSON & MUIR
RODGER & STEWART
RUSSELL & INGLES
RUSSELL & PEACOCK
RUSSELL & THOMSON
SAVAGE & TODD
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON. Springhill
SCOTT & ROBERTSON
SKEAD & BROWNLIE
SMELLIE, Hugh & William
SMELLIE, ALLAN & McDONALD
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & GARDNER
SMITH & BROWNLIE
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE. Springhill
SMITH, LINDSAY & MUIR
SMITH, Paterson, McNeil & Wardrope
SMITH & WYLLIE
SNEDDON
SOMMERVILLE, LEGGATE & LINDSAY
SPROT, Agnes Campbell
STARK & NIMMO
STARK & PRENTICE
STEEL & HADDOW
STEIN, Jessie, Margt & William, children of Andrew
STEVENSON & MORTON
STEWART Lockhart
STORRIE & THOM
STORRIE & WYLIE
SWINNERTON & STINTON
TAIT & THOMSON
TAYLOR & BARCLAY
TAYLOR & HAMILTON
TELFER & CORBETT
THOMSON, CLELLAND & RUSSELL
THOMSON & GIBB
THOMSON, McMINN, BELL & REID
THOMSON & STARK
TURNER & MCCULLOCH
TWEEDEL & GILCHRIST
WATSON & ALLAN
WATSON & ANDERSON
WATSON & CATHCART
WATT & EASTON
WATT & INGLIS
WATT & PETTIGREW
WEIR & ELDER
WEIR & WADDLE. Stewarton
WHITE, Robert 1854
WILKIE & HEPBURN
WILSON & McEWAN
WYLIE, CAMPBELL & BROWN
WYLIE, NELSON & McHUTCHESON
WYLIE & SOMMERVILLE
WYLIE & WALLACE
YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN
YOUNG & REID
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Hi There,
Am looking for the Headstone for James Mckinlay b 1817 d 1871. Have found his wife Mary McNeil.
Thanks
Heather
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Hi Heather, here it is. The inscription reads -
"1845 Erected by James McKinlay in memory of Mary McNeil his spouse who died 11th December 1844 aged 25 years".
According to the burial records, there are at least 4 more in that plot (the records are not complete)
MARY McKINLAY, aged 16 years. Interred 3rd September 1886.
WILLIAM McKINLAY, aged 65 years. Interred 31st March 1895.
MARGARET McKINLAY, aged 59 years. Interred 31st May 1895.
EDWARD McKINLAY, aged 74 years. Interred 29th March 1906.
Lodger.
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could i please have a photo of Allan, Hamilton,Steel thanks lnr
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You will have to send me your email address by pm, the image is too big to upload here.
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Hi Heather, here it is. The inscription reads -
"1845 Erected by James McKinlay in memory of Mary McNeil his spouse who died 11th December 1844 aged 25 years".
According to the burial records, there are at least 4 more in that plot (the records are not complete)
MARY McKINLAY, aged 16 years. Interred 3rd September 1886.
WILLIAM McKINLAY, aged 65 years. Interred 31st March 1895.
MARGARET McKINLAY, aged 59 years. Interred 31st May 1895.
EDWARD McKINLAY, aged 74 years. Interred 29th March 1906.
Lodger.
[Hello Lodger, Thank you so very much for posting McNeil & McKinlay headstone photo. James McKinlay who erected headstone for his 1st wife was the great great grandfather of my husband. Glynnis NZ]
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Hi Lodger,
I am interested in quite a number of the headstone pics that you have listed and would be grateful to have a copy.
However, if there are too many to send, my (Top 3) priority would be:
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL.
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY.
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE.
If it wasn't a problem to send all then my interests are:
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BAILLIE & REID.
BROWNLEE & GARDENER.
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON.
FERGUSON & BROWNLIE.
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE.
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM.
RUSSELL & THOMSON.
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON - Springhill.
SKEAD & BROWNLEE.
SMITH & BROWNLIE.
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH & WYLLIE.
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE - Crindledyke.
YOUNG & REID.
Do you have these on a website to view?
All the very best, Ian Brownlee (*)
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Hi Lodger
Am looking for info on the Watt family from Cambusnethan during the 1800's and noticed you have info on some gravestones from the church where my Grandmother has told me some of them were buried.
Would appreciate it if you could send images of the gravestones to me via email -
Thanks, Andrew
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Hi Andrew, I will send the pictures but you must remove your email address from the posting, it's not allowed.
Regards .......... Lodger
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Hi Lodger. Slightly off topic but do you know if a lair map exists for the private walled burial ground? You kindly found my ancestors in the burial ground Lair No 389 but i wouldnt know where to start in looking.
Cheers,
Taz
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Hi Taz,
I don't know if there is a plan but I think there could be. Best thing to do is to ask at the gravediggers bothy.
Lodger
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Thanks Lodger. Once the better weather comes in i will head over that way and take my chances. Cheers
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Hallo Lodger,
new here so I hope I'm doing this right.. I'm looking for a headstone picture for John Cumming d. Cambusnethan 1880. He's not on your list above but
in the list of Cambusnethan Old Churchyard Monumental Inscriptions from Lanarkshire Family History Society rtJ 2003 there is this mention:
"216/2 John Curnming died 12th September 1880 aged 85 years. His wife Margaret Clark died at Overtown 13th January 1895 aged 96 years. Their children.. " etc
I'm sure I saw a picture online a few months ago but neglected to save it and can't find it since. Hope you can help.
Cheers from Robert in Switzerland
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Dear Lodger,
One of my ancestors was John Frater who moved from Wishaw in the 1860's to Manchester. Do you know if the name Frater is mentioned on any of the graves there...
We have hit a bit of a brick wall with John
Best Regards
AlanC
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Hi Alan,
The name Frater does not appear on the monumental inscriptions for Cambusnethan but it does appear in the burial records.
There are children for the following couples -
JAMES FRATER & MARGARET GRAHAM.
WILLIAM FRATER & SARAH McBROOM.
THOMAS MAINS & ELIZABETH FRATER.
ADAM BRYSON & MARGARET FRATER.
DAVID DICKSON & ANNIE FRATER.
ANDREW HAMILTON & GRACE FRATER.
Hope this helps a little.
Lodger
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Hi Lodger
Thank you it does I think. We have a suspicion our John may be the son of the Elizabeth Frater that married Thomas Mains as one appears on the Census returns with her
Best Regards
Alan
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Alan, do you have a date of birth for John?
Lodger
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Hi Lodger.
John Frater was born circa 1844 in Wishaw. We have never been able to find a marriage for him and his wife Hannah Fitzpatrick (maiden name) who was from Manchester. She may have previously been married before John and called Davies.
Best Regards
AlanC
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Are you sure that Elizabeth wasn't a sibling of John's?
According to burial records she was interred in the Mains family plot on 3rd February 1903 aged 74 years. The records do not show who her parents were.
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Hi Lodger,
No I am not sure at all is the honest answer. She might have been a sibling..
Best Regards
AlanC
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Was Elizabeth's mother Annie Duncan?
Do you have John in the 1851 census?
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Hi Lodger,
I don't have John in any census before 1881. The earliest record of him is 1878 at one of the baptism's of his children.
As I said its a bit of a brickwall. He had varying jobs in Manchester from sexton of church to stoker at a dye works and a fireman
Best Regards
Alan
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Where did the info on his birthplace come from?
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Hi Lodger
The 1911 Census
Best Regards
Alan
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On the 1881 it looks like Glasgow, Scotland
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Hi Lodger,
It does say Glasgow on the 1881 yes but the 1911 says Wishaw.
I think in 1881 what might have happened is in 1881 he was asked where he was from by the enumerator and said Wishaw. The enumerator probably not knowing where that was asked and John probably said near Glasgow.
It's the only explanation I can think of for the difference
Best Regards
Alan
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On 1861 census there is a record transcribed as John Heater born Cambusnethan and boarding with the Main family at Greenfield Cottage N2 Branchel Road.
An Anc* member has corrected the entry to John Frater
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Hi Lodger
Yes I know that Anc member which is why I said we thought he may be connected to the Elizabeth Frater that married Thomas Main.
Best Regards
Alan
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Can you let me have a copy of the gravestone for Morton/Gardiner please. That would be wonderful.
Many thanks
SusanZ
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Difficult to read this one but the details (not an exact transcription) are -
"1842 Gavin Morton died 1858 aged 62 years. His wife Janet Gardiner died December 1843 aged 45 years. Their sons William, Matthew & William died in infancy. Son Robert died February 1880 aged 60 years (His wife Mary Hill died 21st May 1908 aged 86 years). Mary Gibb died 29th July 1890 aged 10 years. (Daughter of John H Gibb & Mary Morton)".
There may be some burial information for this family, let me know if you want to have it.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger,
Thanks so much for the Morton/Gardiner info. This really helps a lot. If there is any more burial information i'd really appreciate that as well.
Thanks again, susan
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According to the plot owners book (dating from about 1875 - 80) the owner of the Morton family plot was Gavin Morton. There are 3 entries in the plot book - (all dates are of burial)
In the South lair - MARY GIBB, aged 10 years, 31st July 1890.
In the Centre lair - ROBERT MORTON, aged 61 years, 28th February 1880.
In the Centre lair - MARY MORTON, aged 86 years, 25th May 1908.
From information in the gravediggers Day Book -
MARY MORTON, Crindledyke, aged 86 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Hill & Elizabeth Rowan.
Buried in the old churchyard 25th May 1908.
GAVIN MORTON, Crindledyke, aged 21 months.
Parents - Robert Morton & Mary Hill.
Old churchyard, 7th September 1864.
ROBERT MORTON, apprentice mason, Crindledyke, aged 18 years, unmarried.
Parents - Robert Morton & Mary Hill.
Old churchyard, 30th August 1873.
From the Day Books of the Municipal cemetery at Cambusnethan.
Plot C30. (3 burials)
GAVIN M. CLEGHORN, Crindledyke, aged 3 months.
Parents - William Cleghorn & Janet Morton.
25th November 1879.
JANET CLEGHORN, housewife, Crindledyke, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - Robert Morton & Mary Hill.
24th December 1880.
MARY CLEGHORN, Crindledyke, aged 5 years.
Parents - William Cleghorn & Janet Morton.
3rd January 1881.
Plot B575 (1 burial)
JEANIE MORTON GIBB, Shotts, aged 26 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Henry Gibb & Mary Morton.
3rd February 1914.
Plot B575 owned by John H. Gibb, foreman engineer, Rosbank Cottage, Hill road, Shotts.
Hope this helps a little,
Lodger
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I missed this entry in the Day Book, although he is recorded in the Plot Book.
ROBERT MORTON, pithead man, Crindledyke, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - Gavin Morton & Janet Gardner.
Old churchyard, 28th February 1880.
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Dear Lodger,
Thank you so very much. Susan
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Hi Lodger,
Are the photos of the Duncan headstone in the Private Burial Ground of the siblings Thomas, Agnes, James, Margaret and Janet?
If so, I would really appreciate a photo.
Thanks very much.
Moragb
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Hi Morag,
I'm in Paris until Saturday, so I'll check the photograph when I get back home.
Lodger
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Lucky you! Enjoy your break 8)
Monica
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Hi Morag, none of these names match the ones on the Duncan/Lighbody stone, sorry.
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Thank you very much for letting me know, Lodger. I can see a long trail down from Brora to Wishaw to get my own picture!!!
Thanks again
Moragb
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Moragb I've pm'd you.
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Hi Lodger,
I'm new to RootsChat so don't seem to be able to send pm yet.
Am interested in the details on the following headstones:
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN
and
ROBB & GIBB
My great grandfather was James Cleghorn ROBB b. abt. 1887 (possibly in Bothwell).
His grandmother was Margaret CLEGHORN b. ?? in Cambusnethan, Margaret married Andrew ROBB in Bothwell on 3 Aug 1845.
Grateful for your help.
Best Regards,
Andy Smith
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Hi Andy, here are the 2 pictures you requested.
The inscription on the Muir, Hastie & Cleghorn stone is -
"Erected by James Muir in memory of his wife Ann Hastie who died 9th July 1854 aged 57 years. Likewise Agnes Muir their daughter who died 7th July 1854 aged 19 years. Also James Cleghorn their grandson who died 26th January 1848 aged 5 years. And Agnes Watson their granddaughter who died 30th August 1851 aged 11 months. Christina Muir died 23rd October 1865 aged 18 months. Peter H Muir .............. aged 28 years". (Rest of stone is buried).
On the Smellie & Cleghorn stone -
"Erected by William Smellie junior in memory of his wife Marion Cleghorn who died 27th December 1840 aged 26 years".
There are a couple of entries in the burial registers which may interest you. Both entries are from the municipal cemetery records, not the old churchyard.
MARY S. FORSYTH, housewife, Wishaw, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Andrew Robb & Margaret cleghorn.
Interred in plot D189 on 12th July 1900.
HIEBRAM R. CLEGHORN, Fashoda, Newmains, aged 9 years & 5 months.
Parents - Robert Cleghorn & Janet M. Robb.
Interred in plot B100 on 25th April 1916.
Plot owner - Robert Cleghorn, building contractor, Fashoda, Newmains.
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Many thanks for the quick reply. Do you also have the details for the Robb & Gibb headstone?
Many thanks for the burial register entries, the first of which is definately a direct link for me.
Do you have any clue what Fashoud refers to in the second burial register entry that you provided?
Best regards,
Andy
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Fashoda is the name of the property they live in
They are there on the 1901 census
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Thanks Sancti.
Do you have a connection with the Cleghorns?
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No connection, just checked the census for you 8)
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Hi Andy, here is a picture of the Robb & Gibb headstone, you should be able to read it quite clearly.
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Many thanks to you both for your help.
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Would you be able to give me any information you have about the Jack family from the Cambusnethan Churchyard?
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Hi David,
Welcome to Rootchat. Could you let me have a little more information? Maiden surnames always help, as do first names and time periods.
Lodger
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Hi there. Sorry for being vague. I have a long line of Jacks who I believe lived in the Cambusnethan area. I have just started collecting data and I am currently not far back with my family tree. I am trying to gather any data I can get my hands on at the moment.
I am looking for any information/pictures of anyone with the surname Jack who lived in Cambusnethan. I believe that they will be linked to my family tree in some way.
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Well, good luck with your search.
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Hello,
I'm helping a friend find his family the surname is McNeil.
All we know is that Robert Watt McNeil was born in this area.
So any McNeil photos might help us move back.
Thanks so much
Aussie researcher
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Do you have an approximate date of birth for him and do you know his parents names (mother's maiden name is a big help).
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Hello,
I believe he was born early 1920's
I'll check with my friend today and get back to you not sure if he knows who the parents are.
I might have to get his birth certificate to get this info.
thanks
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Hello,
Sorry he doesn't know who the parents are.
I have just order the birth certificate so in a couple of weeks I'll have the answer.
Takes a while to get out to Australia.
We believe he married an Annie Bryson in 1947, this may or may not help.
Thanks again
AR
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Hello Lodger,
I have looked at your list of available headstone pictures but no not see any for my relatives. I'm wondering if they don't have a headstone on their graves. I'm sure they are buried in the area. Agnes Mclachlan Allan married John Liddell in Cambusnethan in 1873. They are found in the census records in Wishaw Cambusnethan from 1881 to 1901 but not in 1911. I have looked at SP (but not purchased their death records) and believe they died before the 1911 census. Their children were Isabella born 1873, john born 1873, Alexander born 1877, Jane born 1881, Agnes born 1884 and William born 1886. Have you ever seen these names in cemetery records? Thank you for reading this request.
Nan
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Hi Nan,
It isn't as easy as putting all the family names together like that. first of all, I only have pictures of headstones from the old churchyard and private walled burial ground. The "new" cemetery, adjoining the old churchyard, opened in 1861, so it is quite possible these Liddells are all buried there.
I have the burial records of the new cemetery from 1861 to about 1917 but, there are some gaps, particularly from 1901 - 1907.
Could not find any children of John Liddell (or Liddle) and his wife Agnes. Could not find Agnes.
There is one possible burial for John but you would have to verify his parents names. This is it -
JOHN LIDDELL coal miner, Wishaw, aged 62 years, widowed.
Parents - John Liddell & Jane Reid.
Buried in plot E1034 on 5th May 1910.
If this is him please let me know.
If you have any spouses names for any of the children please let me know, I can check for infant deaths that way.
There are Liddells buried in the old churchyard too but I'd need more information, especially maiden surnames.
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Thank you Lodger. John's parents were John and Jane Liddell so this is likely him. This is a rather distant branch of my tree. It is Agnes, John's wife, who was my great grand aunt. I believe she died in 1906 in Wishaw. Other than census records for the children I haven't pursued their marriages etc yet. I guess I had hoped that family members might be buried together/nearby but even Agnes and john aren't buried together. In other areas with different relatives I have lucked out in that regard. Lodger, you are doing a fantastic service for those who have relatives in the Cambusnethan area. Thank you for all your hard work and keep up the good work.
Nan
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Hello,
Sorry he doesn't know who the parents are.
I have just order the birth certificate so in a couple of weeks I'll have the answer.
Takes a while to get out to Australia.
We believe he married an Annie Bryson in 1947, this may or may not help.
Thanks again
AR
Finally got the Birth certificate.
Robert Watt McNeil
parents father - Robert Watt McNeil, mother - Bessie Hamilton.
Robert & Bessie married 1920 in Cambusnethan.
Hope this might help in finding any headstones for this family.
Thanks
AR
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Hi AR,
I'm so sorry but I don't have any burial records after 1917. So if you don't have an exact date of death it would be impossible to find a McNeil grave.
If the 1920 marriage certificates has the parents names I may be able to do something with them.
The 1901 census on Ances**y has a Robert McNeil aged 4 years living at Watt's Land, parents were James and Agnes. I wonder if this could be the Robert who married in 1920?
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Hi Lodger,
You have the right family for 1901.
I have the marriage cert for Robert Watt McNeil and Bessie Hamiton.
Parents of Robert are James McNeil (born 1867) and Agnes Steven Halliday (born 1847).
Parents for Bessie are James Hamilton and Charlotte Matherson (Charlotte deceased before 1920)
James McNeil Parents Alexander McNeil and Janet Colvin.
I believe Agnes mother was Marion Halliday think she later married a Robert Watt.
Hope this might help
Thanks
AR
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Hi AR, here's what I found from the information you sent.
CHARLOTTE HAMILTON, housewife, Motherwell - usual residence Wishaw. Aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Robert Mathieson & Elizabeth Menzies.
Plot E2438/9 on 25th May 1915.
Plot owned by James Hamilton, coal miner, 17 1/2 French Street, Wishaw.
(She probably died in Motherwell hospital, she is buried in the municipal cemetery and it would have been a double plot, don't know if there is a stone there, I'll try and find out).
2 more burials in the municipal cemetery, both in plot D109.
MARION McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 14 months.
Parents - James McNeil & Agnes Halliday.
Plot D109 on 14th April 1888.
MARION McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 10 DAYS.
Parents - James McNeil & Agnes Halliday.
Plot D109 on 9th March 1895.
All of the following are in the old churchyard.
WILLIAM McNEIL, coal miner, Wishaw, aged 11 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 13th September 1862.
MARY McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 13 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 18th March 1867.
JOHN McNEIL, coal miner & pauper, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 8th July 1871.
JANET McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 9 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 10th May 1872.
ANN McNEIL, dressmaker, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 17th September 1880.
Prior to about 1878 there is no Plot Book for the old churchyard, only the gravediggers Day Book, that's where the information above has been extracted from. So, all it tells us is that the burial took place in the old churchyard, no plot mentioned. However, after 1878 the records change and, on looking for the above Ann McNeil in 1880, I found her interred in a plot owned by a Mr Hugh Gourlay. It looks as if this Hugh may have been married to Ann's mother's sister Jane. I found 2 entries in the Day Book register to support this -
JANET GOURLAY, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - Hugh Gourlay & Jane Colvin.
Old churchyard on 12th June 1861.
MARY GOURLAY, dressmaker, Hartwood Asylum, aged 63 years, unmarried.
Parents - Hugh Gourlay & Jane Colvin.
Old churchyard on 20th September 1916.
The plot in the old churchyard was owned by Hugh Gourley (spelling of Gourle/ay)
In the Centre plot -
JANE GOURLAY, aged 73 years - 2nd December 1892.
JANET McNEIL, aged 68 years - 3rd July 1897.
In the North plot -
ANN McNEIL, aged 22 years - 17th September 1880.
WILLIAM McNEIL, aged 18 years - 12th December 1882.
HUGH GOURLAY, aged 76 years - 1st November 1901.
Hope you can make some sense out of all this?
Lodger
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Lodger you are wonderful :)
Thank you ever so much.
This will help heaps with working on this tree.
The chap I'm helping knew only of his parents as he came to Oz as a baby.
I'll sort this and see if there is any other names that crop up.
Thanks again
Cheers
AR
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Hi AR,
In the 1922 Wishaw directory, which appears to have been almost like a voters roll, there was a James Hamilton and a W. Hamilton (must have been a man) at 17 1/2 French St. In the 1925 householders list there was James Hamilton, miner at same address. Too many McNeil's to pinpoint the right family, unless you have an address (or two) from the 1920 marriage certificate?
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AR, I managed to get to Cambusnethan cemetery today, I found headstones for the 2 graves mentioned above. E2438 & 9. also D109.
The first lot are for the grave of Charlotte Mathieson. I will have to make 2 postings for them, same with the McNeil & Halliday stone.
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Big photographs, you'll have to use the scroll bar at the bottom. Here's the next 2, just to give you an idea of what the cemetery looks like.
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This is the McNeil stone at plot D109.
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Another view of plot D109
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I'm not sure if this is the same family of McNeils, just saw it in passing.
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I have added to the photograph list, as of today 7th July 2013 the following are now also available. It's just a pity that I cannot change my original post on this thread!
ADAM & CORBETT
ADDIE & PYIUS
ANDERSON & MORTON
BAILLIE Thomas 1829
BARR & DALZIEL
BELL William of Greenhead
BLACK & MacLEAN
BROWN & BROWNLIE
CAMERON & BARRIE
CARMICHAEL & WATT
CLEGHORN & MORRISON
CLELAND & WALKER
DALZIEL & DOUGLAS
DOUGLAS James, farmer Thornlie
ELDER of Shotts
ELLAM, RAMAGE, DALZIEL, CALVIN & LAW
FERGUSON Arthur
FRAME, HAMILTON, ESSON, STEVENSON & CLARK
GIBB, MARSHALL & FORREST Crawfordjohn Mill
GIBB, WATT & SHANKS
GIBSON, BARRIE, HENDERSON & ROBERTSON
HAMILTON & SHANKS
HAMILTON & STORRIE
HAY & LOUDON
HENDRY, GRAY & KING
HILL & RUSSELL
INGLIS & RUSSELL
JACK & DICKIE
JACK & ORR
KIRKLAND, TOWERS, CLELAND & EASTON
LANG & ALLAN
LANG & McLEAN
LIGHTBODY, YETTS, BLACK & MacLEAN
LINDSAY & ROBERTSON
LOUDON & PETTIGREW
LYLE & BROWNLIE
McCREDIE, CARENS, POLLOCK & McKENDRICK
MICHIE & MARSHALL veterinary Wishaw
MILLAR & BROWNLIE
MOFFAT & DOWNIE
MORRISON & SMITH
MORTON, CUNNINGHAM & DALZIEL
MUIR, LITHGOW & LAMB
NICOL & GRAHAM
PETTIGREW & HAMILTON
PETTIGREW & MORRISON
PETTIGREW, SMELLIE, RUSSELL & VINNIE
PRENTICE & REID
REID & CAMPBELL of Omoa
REID & HAMILTON
RENWICK William
ROBB & MORE
ROGER & SHIELDS
SCOTT, LAIDLAW, HENDERSON, HAMILTON, BALLINGALL, BIRRELL & McDOWAL
SMELLIE & ADDIE
SMITH & CALDERHEAD
SMITH Findlay
SMITH, MUIR, HIGGINS, HAMILTON, CAMERON & McMURRAY
SNEDDON & WHARRIE
SOMMERVILLE & PETTIGREW
STEEL, CUNNINGHAM & STORRY of Sunnyside
STEEL, SCOBIE, HAMILTON & MURIE registrars
STEVENSON & GLOVER
STODDART & HASTIE
TAYLOR & MILLAR
TUDHOPE, HAMILTON & NAISMITH
TUDHOPE John, Kirknowe
WATT, STEWART & MILLER
WYLIE, McHUTCHESON & WILSON
W.P & M.F. 1791
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Hi Lodger,
What can I say thank you, thank you.
You are just wonderful these photos just say so much.
I'll have a look at the last headstone photo and see if it fits any where.
Thanks again
There maybe more names but I'll sort these first.
Cheers
AR
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Finally the McNeil tree is growing.
Thanks to the amazing help from Lodger.
I'm puzzled by Alexander McNeil who married Janet Colvin in 1845.
I can find Alexander, on his marriage Cert is says he was a miner from Drumpellier.
On his son James marriage cert James was living at 2 Greenhead, Road Wishaw, his wife Agnes lived at 167 Stewarton Street, Wishaw.
This marriage was in 1886 and Alexander is deceased on the Certificate.
Searching Scotlands people gives me a couple of possiblities but without a purchase of certificate no real answer. Don't mind if I have the right person.
Wonder if there is a headstone for Alexander in 1867-68.
Any further help would be wonderful.
thanks
AR
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I wonder if this is the right one -
ALEXANDER McNEIL, pit fireman, Pather, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Ann Fleming.
Old churchyard on 9th January 1867.
What do you think? The occupation is right, Pather fits the area, his age is right and his wife is a widow in the 1871 census.
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Hi Lodger,
I think you might be right.
Thanks your help has been wonderful.
With the dates is that a death date or burial date?
Are there other area's that have Churchyard photos?
We are also chasing a McNeil from Kildalton.
Not sure if the two families maybe connected or not.
Thanks
AR
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I was wandering around Cambusnethan today and took a few photos in the course of my research. I've eliminated most of the ones I've already seen in Lodger's lists but I wasn't sure if these ones had been covered or not so, just in case they haven't, I have photos for:
MOFFAT & THOMSON
NEILSON & MORISON
DALZIEL & NEILSON
NELSON & FRAME
Let me know if these are of any use to anyone, and apologies if I've duplicated someone's efforts and not spotted them.
I also have a John DALZIEL but couldn't make out the other names so it's probably not much use except that it's pretty old!
Alan
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Hi, I wonder if anyone can help, I have from a book and an obituary a death in 1714 of a James Gourley/ Gourlay/ Gowrley and his wife who was a Weir. From the obituary of his Gr. Grandson in 1870 he was buried in Cambusnethan Churchyard and the stone stated their names and year of death. I ordered the MI books for Cambusnethan but there is no sign of them. Hope someone can help please.
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Hello Icon,
You are out of luck I'm afraid, there is, as you say, nothing in the MI book (which was compiled in 1982 - 83) and the parish mortcloths list only begins about 1742.
There may well have been a headstone for this family but very few have survived from that time in Cambusnethan. It may well have been a flat stone which has disappeared into the ground over the centuries, covered by a couple of hundred years of grass and leaves.
There has been much vandalism in this churchyard and many of the sandstone monuments have simply eroded away. Take a look at this photograph, it is number 40/1 in your MI booklet. The inscription was perfectly readable in 1982.
There is also the possibility that your ancestors are buried at the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill. This was the place where the original pre-reformation parish church was sited. It was abandoned mid-17th century but the burial ground continued to be used right up until mid-20th century. The stones there have been subjected to a century of vandalism of the most extreme kind. The biggest culprit being the former burgh of Motherwell & Wishaw back in the 1960s, who allowed a great many of the stones to be bulldozed into a corner in order to accommodate a sectarian march.
There are some Gourleys buried in this ground but none as early as the date you give.
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Thanks so much, I thought this would be the case. We were hoping to get up this weekend and have a look, there is a stone with JG AM 1719 in the book and I was really hopeful it had been transcribed wrong, I thought it would maybe be the Gourley/ Weir grave in 1714, but maybe that is a bit of a stretch. Thanks agin for getting back to me so quickly.
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I have just come upon this site and have registered this evening. I have seen the offer of pictures of graves in Old Cambusnethan Cemetery. I was hoping that the Barr/Dalziel might be David Barr and Agnes Dalziel my 3 x great grandparents who both died in Wishaw.
Also the Lightbody/Yetts could be my Thomas Lightbody and Agnes Yetts, my 4 x Great grandparents who both died in Cambusnethan in the 1830s. A picture of their graves would be much appreciated.
I have many other ancestors from the North Lanarkshire area and although I was born and live on the Welsh/English border still have a couple of cousins in that area.
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Hi Jamesdon99,
Welcome to Rootschat. Here are the 2 pictures you requested.
The inscriptions read -
"Erected by David Barr and Agnes Dalziel in memory of their children, Alexander, David and Janet".
"Erected by Thomas Lightbody in memory of Agnes Yetts his spouse who died on the 8th December 1831 aged 63 years. The above Thomas Lightbody died 23rd March 1838 aged 77 years. Janet Lightbody their daughter died 29th February 1868 aged 62 years. Euphemia Lightbody their daughter died 16th July 1880 aged 84 years".
There is another inscription on the back of this stone which I will put in the next post, I've used up all the picture space in this one.
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Here is the reverse side of the Lightbody stone, it should be quite readable.
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I will check the 19th century burial records for the Lightbody and Barr families and let you know what I find.
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Thanks very much, especially your speed of response, exceptional. They are indeed my 3 and 4 times great grandparents. I assume the children named on the Barr/Dalziel stone are all the ones who died in infancy.
I have Alexander 1842-1846, Janet 1853-1854 and a couple of Davids but no death dates. They had at least 12 children who I have information on.
I am directly related through their eldest son John Barr who married Martha Reid in 1841. They proceeded to have 12 children that I am aware of and I am related through their second child Agnes born 16 Aug 1843 in Cambusnethan.
Any information on the prolific Barrs would be appreciated. The Barr surname was carried through to my mum's generation where 2 of her sisters had it as a middle name.
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Hi Jamesdon,
I searched the records I have and this is what I found. All dates are of burial. The plot records only begin about 1878 but the gravediggers day books go back to 1861, you will see that there is different information in each type.
You are right about the Barr family - millions of them :)
The owners of the Barr plot, in Victorian times were, as you'd expect, David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
There are 13 recorded burials from 1879 but there would probably have been at least double that amount before then. The plot is marked "ground closed" after the 1918 burial, this was because the law forbid the removal of old bones by the gravedigger to make room for new burials. So, in this plot are,
In the South lair -
AGNES BARR, aged 29 years, 19th November 1884.
DAVID BARR, aged 10 years & 6 months, 6th July 1900.
JOHN BARR, aged 7 years, 6th July 1900.
MARGARET BARR, aged 9 weeks, 8th September 1896.
In the Centre lair -
DAVID BARR, aged 17 years, 14th February 1890.
AGNES BARR, aged 89 years, 28th November 1895.
ISABELLA BARR, aged 34 years, 6th October 1897.
CATHERINE STEWART, (no age given, probably an infant) 30th October 1918.
In the North lair -
AGNES BARR, aged 17 years, 31st March 1879.
JANET BARR, aged 2 years & 6 months, 7th June 1879.
AGNES BARR, aged 2 years, 30th November 1880.
DAVID McLEAN, aged 2 years & 6 months, 14th November 1906.
JESSIE BARR, aged 68 years, 8th March 1915.
Ground closed.
From the gravediggers day books -
JESSIE BARR, housewife, Wishaw, aged 68 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Bell & Elizabeth Jardine.
Buried in the old churchyard on 8th March 1915.
DAVID B. McLEAN, Morningside, aged 2 years & 6 months.
Parents - William McLean & Janet Barr.
Old churchyard on 14th November 1906.
JOHN BARR, watchman, Wishaw, aged 55 years, married.
Parents - David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
Old churchyard on 4th June 1878.
AGNES BAILLIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 31 years, married.
Parents - David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
Old churchyard on 22nd November 1869.
MARION BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 5 years.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 24th December 1868.
JAMES BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 6 years.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 9th May 1865.
MARGARET BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 7 weeks.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 24th February 1865.
Unless I can find the death and parents of James Baillie, husband of Agnes Barr, there is no way of knowing if this family is buried in the Barr plot.
Not so many Lightbodys!
The plot owner, in Victorian times, was Thomas Lightbody.
In the South lair -
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY, aged 84 years, 19th July 1880.
W. McLEAN MOFFAT, 14 years, 16th November 1889.
In the North lair -
THOMAS BLACK, aged 69 years, 28th December 1901.
From the gravediggers day books -
JANET LIGHTBODY, housekeeper, Carluke, aged 60 years.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yeatts.
Old churchyard on 3rd March 1868.
ANN YOUNG, Wishaw, aged 69 years, widow.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yates.
Old churchyard on 27th November 1871.
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY, servant, Carluke, aged 84 years, unmarried.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yett.
Old churchyard on 19th July 1880.
I have extracted this Lightbody information before on Rootschat, perhaps Monica or some other knowledgable member can find the link and add it to this post? Looks like someone else is researching this family.
Thats all I can give you at the moment, I am in Paris until the 16th (pause to let Monica roll her eyes)
::)
If you send me names & spouses names for the other children of Thomas & Agnes I will have another search for them.
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Lodger
This is wonderful. I'm so grateful. I used to spend summer holidays with my aunts in Airdrie but that was 50 years ago.
I've been reading some of your other threads and came upon the Wellwynd Church graves saga. My mum was a member of the church and I have her bible that she was given when she became a member of the church. I'm sure I have relatives buried there but that's for another time. Mum left Airdrie in 1939 to join the forces. She met dad, an Englishman, and spent the rest of her life in England. It's nice to think of the happy times we spent in Airdrie as kids.
Have a nice time in Paris and I'll try to get the information that you suggested together over the next week or so. :) :) :)
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Hi Lodger
Hope the Paris trip went well. I have put the info I have on the Lightbody/Yetts children. They tended to stay in the North Lanrkshire area around Wishaw, Carnwath, Carluke areas.
Thomas Lighbody and Agnes Yetts had 12 children that I am aware of
ELIZABETH LIGHTBODY
b.Mar 1788 d. 1 Feb 1870 married William Donald b 1790 d 1843
AGNES LIGHTBODY
b. Aug 1789
JOHN LIGHTBODY
b.1799 d.1866 married Christina Brock in 1821
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY (buried in the Lightbody plot)
b.Nov 1795 d.16 Jul 1880 buried 19 Jul 1880
ROBERT LIGHTBODY
b.1798 d.1887 married Agnes Letham
ALEXANDER LIGHTBODY
b.1801 d.1875 married Isabel Tennant
ANN(e) LIGHTBODY
b.27 Jun 1802 d.24 Nov 1871 married James Young b. 25 Jan 1800 d. 6 Jul 1869
THOMAS LIGHTBODY
b.1 Jul 1804 d. Before 1817
JANET LIGHTBODY
b.6 Apr 1806 d. 29 Feb 1868 married Thomas Black
It is their daughter in law Catherine Maclean who was married to their son Thomas b.1832 d.1901 whose death in1872 is on the back of the Lightbody headstone so I assume she is buried in the plot.
WILLIAM LIGHTBODY
b.15 May 1808 d.7 Jul 1898 married Agnes Witherspoon b. 1812 d.14 Jul 1864
JAMES LIGHTBODY
b.1810 d.?? Married Margaret Douglas
ANDREW LIGHTBODY
b. 1813
I am aware that sometimes women are given maiden names on headstones and sometimes married ones. Was there a time when this changed?
In the Barr plot there are three Agnes Barrs . Agnes Barr, Agnes Dalziel and Agnes Addie.
In the Lightbody plot Catherine Lightbody is written as Catherine MacLean.
I know from looking at close family’s Scottish records a woman’s maiden surname seems to take priority but is it just family preference on headstones.
Any information on the these ancestors graves would be much appreciated.
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Hi Jamesdon99,
Here's what I found in the Cambusnethan burial records, all dates are of burial.
First of all, there is a monumental inscription for James Young & Ann Lighbody. I don't have a photograph of this stone, it may or may not have survived since it was transcribed back in 1982. I do know the general area and will have a look next time I'm in the burial ground. The information on the stone is as follows -
"James Young died 6th July 1869 aged 69 years. His wife Ann Lightbody died 24th November 1871 aged 69 years. Their daughter Agnes died 20th May 1853 aged 19 years. Their daughter Euphemia died 8th January 1861 aged 21 years. Their daughter Susanna died 8th July 1866 aged 23 years."
Not much in the Plot Boook for that plot. The last registered owners were Gavin Young & Margaret Strachan.
Buried in the South lair are -
JAMES YOUNG, aged 34 years. 6th March 1880.
JAMES YOUNG, aged 72 years. 12th April 1938. South lair now full.
From the gravediggers Day Book -
EUPHEMIA YOUNG, domestic servant, Wishaw, aged 21 years, unmarried.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 10th January 1861.
SUSAN AUCHTERLONIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 23 years, married.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 11th July 1866.
JAMES YOUNG, tailor, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 6th March 1880.
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You said that this family had Carluke connections, so I wonder if this is part of the same family?
STILLBORN FEMALE LIGHTBODY, Carluke.
Mother - Mary Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 18th March 1872.
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The only other information I could find was on a child of Robert Lightbody.
From the Day Book -
GRACE PRENTICE, Wishaw, aged 80 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Lightbody & Agnes Letham.
Buried in the old churchyard on 12th November 1913.
There is an MI for the gravestone, details are -
"Erected by Isabella Prentice in memory of her father James Prentice who died 30th May 1849 aged 49 years. Christina Torrence her mother died 5th July 1885 aged 81 years. Isabella Prentice died 6th January 1901 aged 68 years. Their son William died 18th September 1910 aged 76 years. His wife Grace Lightbody died 10th March 1913 aged 80 years and their son Peter Currie Prentice died 11th November 1939 aged 60 years".
According to the Plot book, the last owner was Christina Torrance.
In the Centre lair -
CHRISTINA PRENTICE, 80 years. 8th August 1885.
ISABELLA PRENTICE, 68 years, 9th January 1901.
PETER CURRIE PRENTICE, 60 years. 14th November 1939. Centre lair now full.
In the North lair -
WILLIAM PRENTICE, 76 years. 20th September 1910.
GRACE PRENTICE, 80 years. 12th November 1913.
That's all I could find. There may be more on the Prentice family but, unless you are descended from this line, the information will be of no use to you.
Here is what's left of the Prentce stone!
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Hi Lodger
Once again I can't thank you enough. This information would have taken me years to collect. I'll now be adding it to my tree and see where it leads. ;D ;D
One last request. You told me that my 2x great grandfather John Barr is buried in the Barr plot 4th June 1878 but his wife Martha Reid who outlived him doesn't seem to be in the plot either as Martha Barr or Reid. She died in 1893 in Glasgow Road Wishaw when the Barr plot was still open. Any ideas?
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Ah, that's because I didn't know about her.
I can only search for married females if I know both surnames.
The entry I already gave you for John Barr is taken from the Day Book, not the plot book.
So, although the entry states "old churchyard", it doesn't mention a particular plot.
Now that I know the name & maiden surname of his wife I was able to do another search.
Here's what I found -
There is another plot and the last registered owners were John Barr & Martha Reid.
(Remember that the plot book records only begins at 1879, so although John will be in it, he isn't mentioned).
In the South lair -
MARTHA BARR, 71 years. 25th April 1893.
REID BARR, 15 months. 29th January 1894.
AGNES STEVENSON, 15 months. 27th August 1891.
In the Centre lair -
MATTHEW BARR, 9 days. 2nd April 1889.
ALEXANDER DALE, 17 hours. 7th April 1902.
There is a monumental inscription for this plot but I don't have a photograph. Back in 1982 when the stones were transcribed this particular one was in very poor condition indeed. The inscription is - "1847 Erected by John Barr and (. . . . . ) Reid in memory of their son (. . . . . )" (rest of stone has sunk below ground).
At least you know that there was a son who died about 1846 or 47.
The adjoining plot was owned by a Robert Reid and the only entry in the plot book is for -
MARY REID, 76 years, 26th June 1911.
The Day Book entry for that burial is -
MARY REID, Glasgow, aged 76 years, widow.
Parents - James Findlay & ? McCallum.
Old churchyard on 26th June 1911.
Back to the Barrs.
The following six entries are from the Day Books and they are all the children of John Barr & Martha Reid. Each one is buried in the old churchyard, so they will be in the Barr plot belonging to their parents.
ANN BARR, Wishaw, aged 12 years. 23rd December 1862.
THOMAS BARR, Wishaw, aged 21 months. 5th August 1864.
STILLBORN FEMALE BARR, Wishaw, 17th April 1866.
JOHN BARR, Wishaw, aged 8 years. 17th November 1866.
MARION BARR, Wishaw, aged 12 years. 29th March 1867.
ALEXANDER MUNRO BARR, Wishaw, aged 13 days. 6th May 1868.
Makes very sad reading.
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Hi Lodger
Very sad indeed. They did have 13 children that I am aware of between1841 and 1868. She had her first child at 16. Seems that things were bad from 1864 to 68 although they were probably tough times for all working people in those days.
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Hi Lodger
I'm back. You kindly gave me information on the Barr plots in Cambusnethan Old Cemetery and one burial in the John Barr/ Martha Reid plot was Agnes Stevenson. I know she is the Barr's granddaughter and the daughter of Richard Steventon and Elizabeth Hamilton Barr. You will notice that I write Steventon which is how his father and grandfather who hail from Shropshire have their names spelled in the records down here, not only on the census but in the nationally held BMD records. I have an aunt called Agnes Stevenson in Lanarkshire and wonder if on moving to Scotland they used the 's' spelling.
Richard and Elizabeth had several children after their marriage in Mar 27 1885 in Wishaw and I wonder if there are any records of these Stevent(s)ons.
Richard's sister Mary Ann Steventon married Elizabeth Barr's brother Matthew Murdoch Barr and they also had several children in Wishaw and surrounding areas.
Finally the Steventon parents both died in Wishaw
Richard Steventon 1830 - Sep 18 1901 and Susannah Steventon(ms possibly Allford) 1835 - Nov 17 1882
As always any help would be much appreciated :) :)
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I could only find one entry for the name Steventon -
GEORGE STEVENTON, tinsmith, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Richard Steventon & Susannah York.
buried in the new cemetery, plot E147, on 10th December 1897.
Also in E147 is
WILLIAM C. BROWN, wishaw, aged 2 years & 9 months.
Parents - Gavin Brown & Mary Ann Cunningham.
Burried on 11th January 1899.
The Day Book for 1901 ends at 20th August, so no luck there and the Day Book for 1882 hasn't survived. However, North Lanarkshire Council may have the Plot book for E147 and it should contain the records of anyone else buried there.
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Hi Lodger
Thanks for that. The Steventon's were all born in and around Wellington, Shropshire now subsumed into Telford where they were all in the iron and steel industry hence the move to Wishaw.
They intermarried with the Allford/Alford family and quite a few of them appear in North Lanarkshire censuses. Any by chance you are aware of. The George Steventon you mentioned was a son of the Shropshire born Richard Steventon.
Thanks again ;D
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I think there are a couple of Allfords in the Cambusnethan records, do you want them, even if there is no obvious connection to the Steventons?
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Hi Lodger
The only one I'm interested in is Levi Allford/Alford/Halford who is married first to Sarah Growcott(spellings differ) then to Harriet Steventon. I know Sarah dies sometime before 1901
Thanks
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All I could come up with is this entry, it may or may not be the daughter of Levi & Harriet.
THOMAS W. DYAS. Castlehill View, aged 2 years.
Parents - George Dyas & Harriet Hallford.
Buried in common ground on 24th June 1908.
(I think "Castlehill View" should be Castlehill Feus).
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Hi Lodger
Thanks for that . You are right Harriet is his daughter and there are other marriages between Dyas and Steventon. Another area to investigate :)
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Hello, This is my first time on roots chat and i'd love to see the inscription for CRAIG & PATERSON if possible? I've just traced the Craig side of my family back to this area and think this could prove a great lead. Apologies for not sending you a PM, I need to do a few posts before it will allow me to :) Many thanks
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Hi VeronicaC, welcome to Rootschat. Here is the picture, if you can't read the inscription I can send the transcript. Let me know if this is the right family and I'll have a look through the burial records for anything else that may be there.
Lodger.
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Hello Lodger.
Could you please send me a couple of photographs of my families headstones please.
BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
STARK & NIMMO
BAILLIE Thomas 1829
Thank you and regards.
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Here you are, if you can't read the text let me know. The inscription for the Baillie & Reid stone is - "Erected by Ann Reid in memory of her husband William Baillie who died 21st May 1875 aged 48 years. The above Ann Reid died 9th October 1902 aged 77 years". Not a good snapshot of this stone, sorry. The weeds are allowed to grow unchecked in this place. I will have to send 2 on this message and 2 in the next message.
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The next two.
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Thank you Lodger. A very pleasant surprise this morning. jefarn123
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Hello again Lodger. Thank you for the previous photos. they were a great help. Could I ask for one more this being - REID & CAMPBELL of Omoa - from your second listing, I missed it the first time round. Thank you again, regards jefarn123.
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Here you are, if you need a transcript let me know.
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Thank you Lodger for the photo of REID + CAMPBELL of Omoa very much appreciated.
Is there any way of finding out if Ann Reid, the wife of Dr. James Baillie, is actually buried in the gravesite?
Kind regards jefarn
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I've had a look at what records survive, unfortunately the old churchyard Plot Book only begins at 1876, so the only one recorded is Frances 1904. The gravediggers Day Book covers 1875 but I don't know how reliable it is, it seems to cover paupers burials more than anything and the new cemetery burials are included. Out of the 24 burials recorded in the old churchyard in July 1875 just over half were children and infants. Cholera was rife in the area at the time so perhaps the book was not kept up to date?
Usually, if the headstone inscription doesn't say otherwise, the person is buried there. It does state that Helen is buried at Warreston.
Lodger
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Hello, just browsing through grave photo requests for Cambusnethan Cemetery. I have details of two graves I would like to have photographed and was wondering if you would be kind enough to do this for me?
Cheers, Barbara, Tasmania
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Hi Barbara, if you send the details I will see what I can do.
Lodger
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Thankyou so much Lodger. Details under:
Cambusnethan Public Ground Day Book
Reference Book: ACC/1852/5/54
Lair: 607
Registered No. 3801
Name: Robert Robertson
Residence: Overtown
Age: 73 years
Marital Status: Widower
Names of Parents: James Robertson and Mary Gray
Date of Funeral: 20th May, 1880
Cambusnethan Public Ground Day Book
Reference Book: ACC/1852/5/82
Lair: 109
Registered No. 177
Name: Margaret Robertson
Residence: Overtown
Age: 16 years
Marital Status: Single
Names of Parents: Robert Robertson and Margaret Dunn
Date of Funeral: 13th July, 1861
No rush. Very much appreciated though.
Cheers, Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
I'm sorry to disappoint you but these two burials were in Common (or Public) Ground, that is, they were in paupers graves. No headstones were erected and they would have gone in with strangers, other paupers. After all this time no one is even sure where this ground is exactly.
sorry to have to de the bearer of bad news.
Lodger.
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Hello Lodger
How sad and disappointing but thankyou anyway for letting me know. It seems I am not destined to get photographs of my ancestors or their final resting places, but in this game that is not unexpected is it.
Thanks again, Barbara
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Hi, Lodger!
Could you please reply with the inscription for YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN? I'm new to RootsChat and can't seem to figure out how to PM.
Thank you!
Traci Field
Clarkston, Montana USA
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Hi Traci, I'm in Paris until Tuesday, I'll get back to you as soon as I return.
Lodger
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Hi Traci,
Welcome to Rootschat. Here is the picture of the Young & Littlejohn stone. The transcription was made back in 1982, before the advent of PCs and photoshop. The original transcript just reads "Erected by John Young and Isabella Littlejohn his spouse ................. rest worn."
I've played around with photoshop and come up with what I think may some of the "worn" inscription.
I think it reads something like "In memory of their daughter Janet who died (month ?) (day ?) 1831 aged ( ? ) months".
If you can link to this family let me know, I may be able to find some later burials in the cemetery records.
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Hi, Lodger!
Thank you so much for getting back to me!
This is exactly the couple who I was hoping it would be, too bad it doesn't give me many clues.
I've been trying to find birth/death records for Gavin Young and Sarah Balfour. I found their marriage records on Scotland's People - married in 1797, Gavin of Cambusnethan parish, Sarah of Hamilton parish. I also found record of five children, all born in Stewart-Town, Cambusnethan parish. They are:
(1) Martha, born 1798, listed as 1st child - I believe she married Thomas Cunningham in 1818. I found record of two of their children, but I have not been able to find any of them in censuses or death records.
(2) James, born 1800 - married Ann Lightbody, died 1869 - have his death record that confirms he is a son on Gavin and Sarah. I also found a wealth of information on this family in this thread about the Cambusnethan Churchyard.
(3) Susan, born 1801, listed as 3rd child - have not been able to find anything else about her.
(4) John, born 1803, listed as 4th child - have not been able to find anything else about him. Have been looking at all John Youngs in the Wishaw Relief Church Baptismal Register, marriage records, censuses, and death records.
(5) Gavin, born 1806 - married Ann Forrest in Hamilton parish in 1830, died 1885 - have his death record that confirms he is a son of Gavin and Sarah. I have a fair about of information about him since he is my 4x great-grandfather.
The known children all appear to use Scottish naming patterns when naming their children. If Gavin and Sarah also used the pattern, Gavin's parents would be James Young + Susan, and Sarah's parents would be John Balfour + Martha.
Both Gavin and Sarah had died by the time of son James' death in 1869. Both James' and Gavin's death records list their father as a shoemaker. In looking at all the Youngs still in Stewart-Town for the 1841 census, I came across a James Young, born 1761, shoemaker, living with Mary, born abt 1766, and John, born abt 1801, also a shoemaker. Perhaps this is an older brother of the Gavin Young I am searching for? I'm not sure if shoemaking was an occupation that was shared by many family members like weaving was. I've not been able to find out much about on the internet.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. My husband has promised me a trip to Scotland for our 25th wedding anniversary, but that is a year away. Plus, even though I've warned him, I don't think he will let me sit in research rooms for a month straight. :)
Thank you again!
Traci Field
Clarkston, Montana USA
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Hello again Traci,
I had a dig through the Cambusnethan burial records, here's what I found.
All dates are of interment.
JAMES YOUNG, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 27 years, unmarried.
Parents - Gavin Young & Ann Forrest.
Interred in the old churchyard 10th September 1862.
JAMES YOUNG, weaver, Wishaw, aged 69 years, married.
Parents - Gavin Young & Sarah Balfour.
Old churchyard, 9th July 1869.
ANN PATON, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 20 years, married.
Parents - Gavin Young & Ann Forrest.
Old churchyard, 17th June 1874.
ISABELLA YOUNG, schoolmistress, Wishaw, aged 34 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Young & Isabella Littlejohn.
Old churchyard, 20th November 1878.
ANN YOUNG, housewife, Wishaw, aged 72 years, married.
Mother - Ann Forrest.
Old churchyard, 29th March 1880.
MARTHA YOUNG, out-worker, Cambusnethan, aged 70 years, unmarried.
Parents - Gavin Young & Annie Forrest.
Old churchyard, 23rd March 1914.
MATTHEW YOUNG, Motherwell Poorhouse, aged about 4 years.
Mother - Martha Young.
Old churchyard, 9th August 1873.
ANN YOUNG, pauper, Cambusnethan, aged 2 years.
Mother - Martha Young.
Old churchyard, 9th July 1878.
The above 2 children may or may not be the children of "your" Martha but, that's for you to look into if you want.
I also found the plot details for Gavin Young & Ann Forrest.
Owners listed (in Victorian times) as "G.Y. & A.F."
In the centre lair are -
ANN YOUNG, aged 72 years. 29th March 1880.
GAVIN YOUNG, aged 79 years. 4th August 1885.
JAMES YOUNG, aged 2 years & 11 months. 4th May 1896.
In the north lair is -
MARTHA YOUNG, aged 70 years. 24th March 1914.
There doesn't seem to be a headstone at this plot. I have a sneaky feeling that this may originally have been a Littlejohn plot, do you have any information about this side of the family?
If you ever make it over to Wishaw let me know, I can at least show you where this plot is.
Stewart Town was a small village, almost a continuation of "Wishaw Town" (as it was called then) and it is now included in the modern-day town of Wishaw, it can easily be found, Stewarton Street is a main road in the town. Cambusnethan, as well as being the name of the civil parish, was also a small village about a mile from Wishaw Town. It is also part of the town now but still with an independent aspect about it.
An "out-worker" was someone, usually a female, who worked on the land. Farmers employed them to pick fruit, plant potatoes, turnips, clean-out pig stys (or should that be sties?). You get the picture. We sometimes called them "by-workers", people could be described as working "out by".
It sounds odd to say it nowadays. (and I'm only 27!)
Let me know if I can be of any more help.
Lodger.
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The names of my relatives do not appear on your list. I wonder if there is any information on them in the burial records. They are:
James Lambie Baird who died 18 Dec 1951 on E Thornlie St. Wishaw
His wife Catherine Jane Stewart who died 19 July 1951
Hugh Baird who died in 1900 in Wishaw and his wife Marion Stewart Baird who died 27 Jun 1890 on Caledonian Rd., Wishaw.
Thank you for your offer. You have helped many with their research.
Regards, Nan
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Hi Nan,
The records I have finish at 1917, so I can't supply any information about the 1951 deaths, sorry.
This is what I did find, the burials are all in the "modern" Cambusnethan cemetery, not the old churchyard. As always, the dates are of interments.
STILLBORN MALE BAIRD. Wishaw.
Parents - Hugh Baird & Marion Stewart.
5th September 1882. Plot C185.
MARION BAIRD, housewife, Wishaw, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Archibald Stewart & Jane Paterson.
30th June 1890, plot D86.
HUGH BAIRD, joiner, Wishaw, aged 44 years, widower.
Parents - Thomas Baird & Jeanie Lambie.
23rd January 1900, plot D85.
Hope this helps a little, the later burials may well be in D85 & 86.
Lodger
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Hello Nan
James L Baird age 91, is buried alongside Hugh in D 85 Cambusnethan, also James's wife Catherine age 89, the 4th person is Alexander Rutherford age 72, 23 April 1963.
"In Memorium", Wishaw Press 25 July 1952 for Hugh and Agnes Baird , inserted by Kay ,Ian, and wee Ian.
Death Obit, and "in Memorium", Wishaw Press 27 July 1951 for Catherine, from John, Nancy, and wee Nancy.
Hope this helps.
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Hello Lodger and lud,
I have just returned home from a 4 day outing. The new information is a great welcome home gift. Thank you so much for your help; I really appreciate your help and efforts on my behalf.
Regards, Nan
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Hello: would it be possible, pleae, to view the tombstones or inscriptions for these names from your list:
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST
Thank you very much!
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Hi Judy,
The Brownlee, Russell, Thomson & Forrest was a large obelisk, now lying in pieces. From what I can gather, the inscription that is now face down on the 4th side should read -
"Robert Brownlie died 22nd August 1863. Margaret Brownlie died 28th July 1865. Jane Brownlie died 28th May 1867. W Brownlie died 6th January 1873 aged 4 1/2 years. Alexander John Brownlie M D died 10th August 1899 aged 27 years. Thomas Brownlie died 10th June 1914 aged 87 years. (His wife Agnes Thomson died 14th October 1911 aged 79 years). Elizabeth Russell Brownlie died 21st March 1939 aged 77 years. Agnes Thomson Brownlie widow of William Gladstone died 20th June 1929 aged 69 years (interred at Bo'ness Cemetery). Also Alexander, Agnes & William Brownlie".
I have attached 2 of the three pictures to this post. Another one to follow. And also the Brownlee & Russell one if I can find it.
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The 3rd picture
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I don't seem to have an inscription for this one Judy, so what you see is what you get. Sorry!
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Thank you very much for the Russell and Brownlie photos and inscriptions! I will compare my notes and see if I can link to the correct family branches. Be glad for comments from others, too.
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July 2016.
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I have updated the list and now have quite a few more photographs. This will probably be the last time as I think I have covered most of them now.
ADAM & CORBETT
ADDIE & PYIUS
ALLAN & GORDON
ALLAN, HAMILTON & STEEL
ANDERSON & LUNN
ANDERSON & MORTON
BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
BAILLIE Thomas 1829
BARR & DALZIEL
BELL William of Greenhead
BLACK & DALZIEL
BLACK & MacLEAN
BOND, EASTON & SOMMERVILLE, Holytown
BROWN (Rev Peter) & SMITH
BROWN & BROWNLIE
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON
BROWNLEE & GARDENER
BROWNLEE & HENDERSON
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BROWNLEE Janet died 1891
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY
BURNS & YETTS
CAIRNS & CARR
CAIRNS, PATERSON & McLEES.
CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK
CALVIN & LAW
CAMERON & BARRIE
CARMICHAEL, Dougald & Helen 1811
CARMICHAEL & WATT
CLARKSON & BUCHANAN
CLEGHORN & MORRISON
CLELAND & WALKER
CLELLAND & WALKER
COOPER & HAMILTON
CRAWFORD James 1853
CRAIG & PATERSON.
CULLAN & BARMAN
CUMMING, CLARK & ROBERTSON.
CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
CUNNINGHAM & PRENTICE
CURRIE, HILL AND RUSSELL
CURRIE, THOMSON & THOM
DALZIEL & BRUCE
DALZIEL & CALDERHEAD
DALZIEL & DENIVAN
DALZIEL & DOUGLAS
DALZIEL, MARSHALL & HODGE
DALZIEL & McFARLANE
DEAN & STINTON
DICKSON & NICOL
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE
DOUGLAS & BRUNT
DOUGLAS & STALKER
DOUGLAS James, farmer Thornlie
DUNN & GIBB
EASTON & LINDSAY
ELDER of Shotts
ELLAM, RAMAGE, DALZIEL, CALVIN & LAW
ELLIS & GARDNER.
ELLIS & JAMIESON
FERGUSON LOCHEAD & BROWNLIE
FERGUSON & CARMICHAEL
FERGUSON & GIBSON
FERGUSON Arthur
FINLAY & McKINLAY.
FINLAY & SMITH
FORREST & MCnICOL
FORSYTH & TAYLOR
FRAME, HAMILTON, ESSON, STEVENSON & CLARK
FRASER, BINNING, GILCHRIST & MARSHALL
FRENCH, FINLAY & LORIMER
GARDENER & BLACK
GARDNER & DALZIEL
GARDNER, McDONALD & HADDOW
GARDNER & RUSSELL.
GIBB, MARSHALL & FORREST of Crawfordjohn Mill
GIBB, WATT & SHANKS
GIBB, Robert & William
GIBSON, BARRIE, HENDERSON & ROBERTON
GILLESPIE & ALEXANDER
GOLD & MORTON
GOLD, WEIR & KILPATRICK
GOURLAY & ANGUS
GRAHAM, DAVIDSON & STORIE.
GRAHAM & STORRIE
GP & CR
GREY, DOUGLAS & DOBSON
GREY & PETTIGREW
HADDOW & MILLER
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE
HALLIDAY & PATERSON
HAMILTON & GILCHRIST
HAMILTON & McDONALD
HAMILTON & SHANKS
HAMILTON & STORRIE
HAMILTON & WYLIE
HANNAH & SMELLIE
HASTIE, BROWN & DALLAS
HAY, FISHER & BROWN
HAY & LOUDON
HENDRY, GRAY & KING
HEPBURN & DOUGLAS
HEPBURN, LOUDON & GROGAN
HEPBURN, SCOTT, STEWART, DAWSON, HAMILTON, GREY & NEILSON
HEPBURN & THOMSON
HEPBURN & WEIR
HEWITT, LIDDELL, REID, GILMOUR & KING
HILL & RUSSELL
HORN & NAIRN
HUTTON & McMURTRIE
INGLES, SMITH & HAILSTONES
INGLIS & MARSHALL
INGLIS & RUSSELL
IRVINE James 1859
JACK & DICKIE
JACK & ORR
JACK, WATT & LINDSAY
JACKSON, Douglas (and FINLAY?)
JARDINE & HOOD
JARDINE, REID & ADAMS
KENNEDY & PATERSON
KERR & BRAIDWOOD
KIDD & TAYLOR
KILPATRICK & DARLING
KILPATRICK & WATSON
KING & LIDDELL.
KIRKLAND, TOWERS, CLELAND & EASTON
LANG & ALLAN
LANG & McLEAN
LAW & LEEPER
LEIGHTON David of coltness
LIDDELL Margaret, daughter of John
LIGHTBODY & DOUGLAS
LIGHTBODY, YETTS, BLACK & MacLEAN
LINDSAY & BARRIE.
LINDSAY & ROBERTSON
LINDSAY, STEELE & SOMMERVILLE
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & REID.
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG
LONG Andrew
LOUDON & CUNNINGHAM
LOUDON, CUNNINGHAM & ELDER
LOUDON & MAIN, Stane
LOUDON & MILLAR.
LOUDON & PETTIGREW
LOUDON, STEEL & SMITH
LOUDON & STEWART, Bonkle
LYLE & BROWNLIE
MACKAY, FLEMING & WALLACE
MacLEAN & SNEDDON
MANN & HAMILTON
MARSHALL, BARCLAY & HOGG
MARSHALL John died 1919.
MARSHALL & RUSSELL, Kingshill
MARTIN & BURNS
MARTIN & SYM
MASON & STARK
McALPINE & French
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM
McCORMICK & JOHNSTON
McCREDIE, CARENS, POLLOCK & McKENDRICK
McCRONE & LANG
McCRONE Isabella
McCULLOCH & TURNER.
McDONALD & BAILLIE
McDONALD & McFARLANE
McFARLANE & WAUGH
MCINTYRE, Rev John
McKINLAY & McNEIL
McLEAN, David & Sarah
McLEAN & ADAMSON
McLEAN & BAILLIE
McLEAN & McDONALD
McLEOD & CRAWFORD
McQUEEN, Stonehouse moor
MILLAR & BROWNLIE
MILLER, J. (Corporal WWI)
MILLER & ELDER
MITCHELL & McFARLANE
MITCHIE & MARSHALL veterinary surgeon Wishaw
MOFFAT, DAVIDSON, REID & PATERSON
MOFFAT & DOWNIE
MONTGOMERIE & NICHOLSON
MORRISON & SMITH
MORTON, James 1854
MORTON, CUNNINGHAM & DALZIEL
MORTON & GARDNER
MORTON & GOLD
MORTON & HAMILTON
MORTON & PETTIGREW.
MUIR & DOUGLAS
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
MUIR, LITHGOW & LAMB
MUIRHEAD & BARR
MUIRHEAD & FRASER.
MUIRHEAD & HASTIE.
MUIRHEAD & WEIR
NAISMITH & CALLAN
NAISMITH & CULLAN
NEILSON & BELL
NEILSON & BUCHANAN
NICOL & GRAHAM
Continued on next post .................
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PATON & COWAN
PATTERSON & DALZIEL
PENDER & McCULLOCH
PETTIGREW, Thomas
PETTIGREW, FORREST & GIBSON
PETTIGREW & HAMILTON
PETTIGREW & MORRISON
PETTIGREW & REID
PETTIGREW, SMELLIE, RUSSELL & VINNIE
PORTER, Henry & Sarah Jane
PRENTICE, BLACK, GILCHRIST & DENT
PRENTICE, CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
PRENTICE & FRAME
PRENTICE & HAMILTON
PRENTICE & REID
PRENTICE & TORRANCE
RAE, James 1855
RANKIN
REID & CAMPBELL of Omoa
REID & GARDNER
REID & HAMILTON.
RENWICK & LINDSAY
RENWICK William
RITCHIE, Jeannie 1854
RITCHIE & RODGERS
ROBB & GIBB
ROBB & MUIR
ROBERT, RAE & CLELLAND
ROBERTSON, James & William, preacher
ROBERTSON & MUIR
RODGER, STEWART & CAMPBELL.
ROGER & SHIELDS
RUSSELL & INGLES
RUSSELL & PEACOCK
RUSSELL & THOMSON
SAVAGE & TODD
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON. Springhill
SCOTT, LAIDLAW, HENDERSON, HAMILTON, BALLINGALL, BIRRELL & McDOWAL
SCOTT & ROBERTSON
SKEAD & BROWNLIE
SMELLIE, Hugh & William
SMELLIE & ADDIE
SMELLIE, ALLAN & McDONALD
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & GARDNER
SMITH & BROWNLIE
SMITH & CALDERHEAD
SMITH Findlay
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE. Springhill
SMITH, LINDSAY & MUIR
SMITH, MUIR, HIGGINS, HAMILTON, CAMERON & McMURRAY
SMITH, PATERSON, McNEIL & WARDROPE.
SMITH & RUSSELL.
SMITH & WYLLIE
SNEDDON
SNEDDON & WHARRIE
SOMMERVILLE, LEGGATE & LINDSAY
SOMMERVILLE & PETTIGREW
SPROT, Agnes Campbell
STARK & NIMMO
STARK & PRENTICE
STEEL, CUNNINGHAM & STORRY of Sunnyside
STEEL & HADDOW
STEEL, SCOBIE, HAMILTON & MUIRE. Registrars
STEIN, Jessie, Margt & William, children of Andrew
STEVENSON & GLOVER
STEVENSON & MORTON
STEWART Lockhart
STODDART & HASTIE
STORRIE & THOM
STORRIE & WYLIE
SWINNERTON & STINTON
TAIT & THOMSON
TAYLOR & BARCLAY
TAYLOR & MILLAR
TAYLOR & HAMILTON
TELFER & CORBETT
THOM, GILDWOOD & TENNANT.
THOMSON, CLELLAND & RUSSELL
THOMSON & GIBB
THOMSON, McMINN, BELL & REID
THOMSON & STARK
TUDHOPE, HAMILTON & NAISMITH
TUDHOPE John of Kirknow
TURNER & MCCULLOCH
TWEEDEL & GILCHRIST
WATSON & ALLAN
WATSON & ANDERSON
WATSON & COLTHART.
WATT & EASTON
WATT & INGLIS
WATT , PETTIGREW, MARTIN & DOUGLAS.
WATT, STEWART & MILLER
WEIR & ELDER
WEIR & WADDLE. Stewarton
WHITE, Robert 1854
WILKIE & HEPBURN
WILSON & McEWAN
WP & MF 1791
WYLIE, CAMPBELL & BROWN
WYLIE, McHUTCHESON & NEILSON
WYLIE, NELSON & McHUTCHESON
WYLIE & SOMMERVILLE
WYLIE & WALLACE
YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN
YOUNG & REID
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Hi I am looking for my great grandparents burial spot.
Mary Mulligan died 1939 in Wishaw and John Paterson died in 1929. Both were Catholics and I am unfamiliar with what cemetery they would be buried in . Any chance you could help
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I only have the Cambusnethan records up to about 1917, so I can't tell if they are buried there. (I am assuming they died in or around Wishaw?) It may be easier to contact North Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries department or even Motherwell Heritage Centre, I think the old cemetery books are kept there now.
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Hi Lodger
Hoping you can assist. I am currently waiting on Scotlandspeople new web site to come up to get the actual death print outs but certain of the area and time frame.
Looking for anything regarding the John GRAY (Born c 1799 - 1801) who has died between the 1851 - 1861 Census, last living at 15 Burnside Row Cambusnethan. He was married to Elizabeth YARDLEY (various spellings), ( born actually in 1805, but Census give age as between 1800 - 1802) she has died between the 1871 - 1881 Census. 1871 She was living with Daughter Mary Pollok in Binnies Rows Cambusnethan.
I have worked out via familysearch they had the following children:
John Gray c 1826 Cambusnethan
Ann Gray c 1829, Carmichael - married to Hugh Muir
David Gray c 1832 Carmichael
Margaret Gray c 1839 Midlothian
Mary c 1841 Cambusnethan - married to John Pollok
As they were all coal miners I do not expect an MI, most likely buried in Common Ground but would be nice to know just which Cemetery and details if any exist.
I am following up my YEARDLY/YARDLY/YEARDLEY etc family tree and many were in the Lanarkshire areas of Carmichael and Cambusnethan.
Sorry I cannot give you exact dates of death as of yet due to just getting a break through on the family over the weekend and not able to confirm via a certificate.
Hoping this is enough information to assist with any research. I will try and do a PM to give you my personal email address.
Many thanks and I have loved reading all the great work you have done over the years regarding everyone in this cemetery.
Kind regards Ailsa
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Hi Ailsa,
Couldn't find very much I'm afraid, certainly no photographs or MIs for the old burial ground.
This family seem to have been incomers to the parish but, as there are no official records for Cambusnethan burials before 1861, we will probably never know where John Gray is buried. his wife Elizabeth died during a period where there are no records of burials in common ground and there is no mention of her in the purchased plots for that time.
All of the following are interred in the new Cambusnethan cemetery, next to the old churchyard.
MARY POLLOCK, housewife, Morningside, aged 51 years, married.
Parents - John Gray & Elizabeth Yardley.
Buried in plot B50 on 7th May 1892.
NEWBORN MALE POLLOCK, Morningside, aged 9 hours.
Parents - John Pollock & Mary Gray.
Plot B50 on 8th April 1879.
MARY GRAY POLLOCK, Morningside, aged 9 months.
Parents - John Pollock & Janet Bulloch.
Plot B50 on 25th June 1897.
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ANN MUIR, housewife, Morningside, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - John Gray & Elizabeth Yardley.
Interred in public ground on 5th February 1870.
JOHN GRAY MUIR, Morningside, aged 2 weeks.
Parents - Hugh Muir & Ann Gray.
Public ground on 2nd January 1867
MARY WILSON, housewife, Torphichen, aged 35 years, married.
Parents - Hugh Muir & Annie Gray.
Plot E918 on 15th July 1898.
also, there are 2 entries from the day book for Stane cemetery in Shotts, they are mixed-up with the Cambusnethan records for some reason. These may be of use to you, so I'll list them just in case you can link to them.
WILLIAM MARSHALL YARDLEY, Shotts, aged 14 weeks.
Parents - Alexander Yardley & Marion S. Goldie.
Plot A264 (at Stane) on 5th January 1907.
plot owner listed as Alexander Yardley, coal miner. 4 Gilburn Place, Shotts.
AGNES H. MARSHALL, domestic servant, Shotts, aged 18 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Marshall & Annie Yardley.
Plot A264 on 10th October 1911.
Plot owned by William Marshall, miner. 32 High Street, Shotts.
That's the best I can do, sorry it isn't much.
Good luck with your research,
Lodger
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Lodger, thank you very much for this. Yes they all fit including the ones in Stane, Not a place I had thought to look at yet, but will do so now.
At least I know someone has had a look for me and very grateful for that.
Kind regards Ailsa
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Hi Lodger,
Is it possible to give me the details for this MI on your list please with transcription if you have it?
CULLAN & BARMAN
I'm wondering if the "Cullan" may be one of my "Cullen's" with variant of spelling.
I did have another from you in the past with a variant in spelling which was one of mine.
Annie
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Hi Annie, it's a very small stone with a simple inscription and no dates I'm afraid.
"Erected by Mary Barman in memory of her husband James Cullan".
The plot records (which only began about 1875 - 77) record the owner as "Mary Burman". Interred in the plot are Isabella Waddell aged 50 years, buried 28th January 1903. Also 3 Waddell children at various dates. Plus Janet Simpson aged 79 years, buried 20th June 1906.
Searched all the records and no other Barman/Burman mentioned and only a handful of Cullen/Cullans.
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Hi Lodger
Would you please mind to see if your Gold & Morton MI relates to any of the following family please.
I have an Elizabeth Forrest who married William GOLD in 1877 at Dalserf. Her death certificate was strange as it was the first time I had seen her mentioned as Elizabeth MORTON GOLD who died 4th April 1916, Dalserf.
It was from this that gave me the clue to her Grandparents names, who did marry and have all children in Cambusnethan. Alexander FORREST m Elisabeth MORTON 14 May 1814.
They had the following children: All in Cambusnethan (now I have a chance to follow up on them)
Janet Forrest 16 April 1815
Jean Forrest 19 May 1816
Marrion Inglis Forrest 20 April 1817
Alexander Forrest 27 Sept 1818
Jean Forrest 24 Oct 1819
Isobel Forrest 11 March 1821
John Forrest 18 May 1823
David Leighton Forrest 19 Sept 1824
As I have only found these last night I have lots of work to do as of yet, but wondered if the MORTON and GOLD did relate in anyway.
Also thought if others see these names they may have connections.
Thanks again for your time to look at your records, appreciated.
Regards Ailsa
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Hi Lodger,
I was wondering if you could possibly help me too. I am looking for any Aitkens, in particular Charles and Lockhart Aitken/Lothian.
Thank you in advance
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Hi Ailsa,
I can't match any of the Cambusnethan records to these families, sorry. The Gold/Morton family have 3 generation of Andrew Gold, a link to Carluke but this is not the family you are looking for. There are plenty of forests (and Forrester's) but I would need the names of spouses to find any of the children you listed.
Keep hunting!
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Hello Middlesbrough,
I found one definite burial for this family, not in the old Churchyard or cemetery but in the ancient (pre-Reformation) ground at Kirkhill. This was mostly used later on (after the "new" church was built a couple of miles away about 1650) by farmers and estate workers with very long links to the parish. It is quite out of the way and difficult to reach and the last interment would probably have been September 1955.
This is the one I found -
THOMAS AITKEN, labourer, Wishaw, aged 52 years, unmarried.
Parents - Charles Aitken & Lockhart Lothian.
Interred in the Clyde burial ground on 27th October 1866.
There are a few Lothians, some in Kirkhill (the Clyde as it's called in these records) and some in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan village. The related names are Lang, Wilkie, Dalziel, Brownlee, Davidson and Ferguson. If you want the details let me know. I have a few pictures of the Lothian plot at Kirkhill if you want them. There is still a joiners firm in Wishaw called Lothian, I see their van going around, William Lothian, joiner was buried at Kirkhill 20th September 1861.
Lastly, one of the very last entries on the list of burials for Kirkhill (and it's a short list of names & dates, no parents) is -
AGNES AITKEN, aged 62 years, interred 30th March 1955.
Hope this helps,
Lodger
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Thank you so much for that. Charles Aitken was a gardener but I have no idea when he or his wife Lockhart died. I had no idea that Thomas died then either. I think Lockhart was the daughter of William but I can't be certain of that either.
Cheers
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A gardener would make sense and, it was the family Lockhart of the Lee who had the estate of Cambusnethan House, so perhaps Charles was a gardener there. Perhaps his wife Lockhart was named after the titled family, which would make her a child whose father must also have worked on the estate. A lot of "ifs" I know.
The Lockharts were a very prominent family, one of them was the father-in-law of Sir Walter Scott (and his biographer).
Do you need the Lothian information?
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I would love the Lothian/Lowden records. Charles and Lockhart were married in Cambusnethan but he was born in Abercorn, West Lothian. There are so many Lothian/Lowden/Louden's. It makes it very difficult.
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Many thanks Lodger
I most likely will get back to you when I have done more research regarding the Forrest family now located, but I need some time to work out spouses and areas, and children of them.
Again thanks for the look, it was worth the ask even if not the right location for the GOLD family that married into FORREST
kind regards
Ailsa
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Hello again Middlesbrough,
Here is what I found for the Lothian's etc.
JANE LOTHIAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 89 years, widow.
Parents - Alexander Lang & Janet Wilkie.
Interred in the Clyde burial ground on 1st November 1866.
JANE LOTHIAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 58 years, married.
Parents - Robert Brownlee & Marion Davidson.
Interred in the Clyde burial ground on 2nd February 1874.
I made a mistake in my earlier posting, William Lothian is not buried at Kirkhill (Clyde).
Here he is -
WILLIAM LOTHIAN, joiner, Wishaw, aged 37 years, married.
Parents - David Lothian & Jane Lang.
Interred in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan on 20th September 1861.
JESSIE DALZIEL, Wishaw, aged 23 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Dalziel & Jane Lothian.
Old churchyard on 13th March 1868.
The plot records for the old churchyard at Cambusnethan only begin in the 3rd quarter of the 19th century. (No plot records exist for Kirkhill/Clyde).
A plot owned in Victorian times by John Dalziel & Jane Lothian.
In the centre compartment -
JANE DALZIEL, aged 77 years, buried on 9th February 1883.
JOHN DALZIEL, aged 82 years, buried 16th June 1883.
In the south compartment -
GEORGE FERGUSON, aged 48 years, buried 15th October 1891.
JEANIE FERGUSON, aged 73 years, buried 21st April 1915.
Here are a few more "maybe's"
MARY CAPPIE, Wishaw, aged 84 years, widow.
Parents - John Lothian & Helen Baxter.
Interred in the new cemetery plot E1974 on 25th December 1908.
JANET RAMAGE, housewife, Flemington (parish of Dalziel) aged 59 years, married.
Parents - William Lothian & Janet Brown.
Interred in the old churchyard on 3rd October 1910.
JEANIE FERGUSON, Dufftown, aged 73 years, widow.
Parents - John Dalziel & Jeanie Lothian.
Old churchyard on 21st April 1915. (see plot records)
The 2 pictures are of the same stone, I didn't transcribe it at the time and from what I can read of it now -
"1838 Erected by David Lothian and Jane Lang in memory of William and Christian their two children. David Lothian died . . . . . . . 1854 aged 54(?) and his wife died . . . . . 1866?"
Underneath is written -
"In memory of our dear father and mother William(?) Pearston . . . . . . died . . . 1898(?) aged 70 years and Christina Lothian his wife who died . . . . . . 1900 aged 80 years".
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So I was right the first time, William Lothian who died in 1861 IS buried at Kirkhill, not at Cambusnethan churchyard. Checked the records again and it does say Cambusnethan but this picture below was 100% definitely taken at Kirkhill.
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Hi Lodger,
Thank you so much for all this. I will now have to go through my Lothian family. If Charles died before 1841 and Lockhart between 1841 and 51, where do you think they would likely be interred? It is so frustrating. It would be good if I could find out which estate (if any) he worked on.
Thanks so much again, you're a star!
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Just realised, David Lothian is the brother of Lockhart!
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When I was a young boy I used to play in the old Cemetery and I remember what it looked like then. The grave stones were still standing and I remember the Covenanters graves. This was in the late 40's and early 50's
I went back there 2 years ago and I almost cried, there was nothing left but the Duke of Hamiltons mosoleum.
There were no fences and the cows had free access. What a shame and a loss of our heritage
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Hi Lodger,
This is my first post. It is truly wonderful information that you give us.
I think I saw the monument for John Cairns d1876 some time ago.
May I have a copy? Will hit "post" and hope for the best. :)
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Hello Mariblog and welcome to Rootschat.
I'm not too sure which John Cairns you mean, can you match him with a wife or mother's maiden surname please?
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Thanks for such a quick reply, Lodger. Sorry I wasn't more precise. It was for John Cairns 1823-1876 whose parents were Adam Cairns d1835 and Janet Paterson 1798?-1876. All deaths were in Cambusnethan
Thank you!
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Here are the pictures of that stone, no mention of John Cairns on it though!
I have the plot records for the old churchyard but they only begin towards the end of 1876, so he isn't there but, he is recorded in the gravedigger's day book.
JOHN CAIRNS, miner & pauper, Chapel, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard on 2nd August 1876.
Also in that plot but not recorded on the stone is -
MARGARET CAIRNS, aged 87 years.
Interred 5th February 1924.
The details from the day book for Archibald -
ARCHIBALD CAIRNS, retired engine keeper, aged 78 years, married.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Further information from the gravedigger's day book -
ADAM CAIRNS, engine keeper, Chapel, aged 79 years, married.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the new cemetery, plot 1559/60A on 15th April 1911.
Plot owned (at that time) by Mrs Janet McLean or Cairns, Braehead Cottage, Chapel.
HENRY CAIRNS, engine keeper, Chapel, aged 45 years, unmarried.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard on 30th December 1864.
JAMES CAIRNS, coal miner, Overtown, aged 49 years, widower.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard 13th July 1867.
ANDREW CAIRNS, shoemaker, Morningside, aged 53 years, widower.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard on 11th December 1873.
JANET CAIRNS, pauper, Cambusnethan, aged 98 years, widow.
Parents - James Paterson. ---------- no mother's name recorded.
Interred in the old churchyard on 11th January 1878.
Do you know if the James who died in 1867 had a wife named Margaret Sommerville? There is a burial for ADAM CAIRNS aged 30 in 1874 with these parents. Could also be related to names McEwen, Nelson and Hay.
Also a child JAMES CAIRNS who died 1875, parents Thomas Cairns & Annie Mitchell.
Also Agnes Cairns married to George McQueen?
Adam Cairns married to Janet Robb?
Andrew Cairns married to Helen Carr?
Ring any bells?
Here are the pictures, may have to continue on another post.
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2 more pictures
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Thanks, Lodger, this is very helpful. It is actually what I remember seeing, and was mistaken about reference to the John Cairns, who died in 1876, on the stone. I’m afraid I have no documentation on the other individuals you ask about.
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Hello Lodger
Could you please post photos of the following headstones:-
HUTTON & McMURTRIE
REID & GARDNER
Regards
JPF
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Hi JPF, welcome to Rootschat. If these are the correct families I will try to find more information in the burial records and will, weather permitting, try to obtain better photographs.
The Hutton stone is a large obelisk, there just seems to be the 2 interments, the Rev & his wife. She died in 1899.
The Reid & Gardner (John & Isabella) stone may be the one you want, there is another stone on the same plot also with Reid & Gardner (Robert & Euphemia), a third stone on that plot has the names Reid & Kitch. I only have the John & Isabella one photographed but, if you are sure that this is the family you are researching, I will go and have a look at the plot, there may be other stones there that have been broken since the inscriptions were recorded in 1983.
The Reid & Gardener inscription is -
"Erected by John Reid and Isabella Gardener his spouse in memory of their daughter Isabella who died 28th February 1813. John Reid died 2nd September 1854 aged 79 years. Isabella Gardener died 16th December 1821 aged 44 years. Their eldest son John Reid died 2nd January 1867 aged 68 years".
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Hi Lodger
Thank you for the photos, & for offering to get better pics. The REID / GARDNER stone was speculative, & turns out not to be of my family, so I won't need anything further on that one.
However, I would love an improved version of the Rev HUTTON stone.
You probably know these cemeteries inside out: a couple of years ago I stumbled across an image of the John (Excelsior Iron & Steel Works) & Sarah WILLIAMS memorial on flicker. And I thought it said it was from Cambusnethan Old Churchyard. However, it doesn't feature on your list of headstones or, that of Kirkhill.
I'm also trying to find a headstone for their son John (died 1932) & his wife Katherine (died 1922). They resided at Overdale House, Manse Road, Wishaw.
Have they been destroyed or, are they buried elsewhere?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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The reason you couldn't find John & Sarah Williams in Cambusnethan Old Churchyard is because they are not buried there. They are next door in the little Walled Burial Ground which was opened by a burial company in 1861. It would have been expensive to buy a plot there, it lies between the old churchyard and the municipal cemetery (which also dates from 1861).
John & Sarah owned plots 50 & 51 which are against the wall, so they would have been more expensive. The burial records have survived, here's the details for 50 & 51.
SARAH WILLIAMS, housewife, The Green, Wishaw. Aged 71 years, married.
Parents - Joseph Rice & Mary Stone.
interred in 50 on 1st August 1891.
ROBERT WILLIAMS, Ironmaster, The Green, Wishaw. Aged 47 years, unmarried.
parents - John Williams & Sarah Rice.
interred in 50, 26th October 1895.
JOHN WILLIAMS, Ironmaster, Wolverhampton. Aged 76 years, widower.
Parents - Robert Williams & Eleanor Williams.
Interred in 50, 18th February 1898.
MARY ANN WILLIAMS, daughter, England. Aged 19 years, unmarried.
Parents - - - - - Williams.
Interred in 51, 19th December 1870.
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Here are the Hutton & McMurtrie pictures.
I may have to make 2 posts.
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4 more
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Hi
I am new to Roots Chat and wondered if you have any headstones for Pender. my great grandfather John died 1877, his first wife Jane and child William died in 1873 and his father William died before 1861.....can't seem to find out much about him
Thanks
Karen
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Hello Kallcoat and welcome to Rootschat.
The wife's maiden surname is really important to searching cemetery and other records but, I do think I have found your gt-grandfather and his family.
From the records of the Private Walled Burial Ground at Cambusnethan. (Situated between the old churchyard and the municipal cemetery).
I don't have a photograph of the headstone (if one ever existed) but here are the entries from the gravediggers Day Book, for plot 476 in the "Private".
All dates are of interment, so the death would have occurred a few days previously.
JEANIE PENDER, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 20 years, married.
Parents - William Ross & Elizabeth Percival.
Interred in 476 on 8th December 1873.
WILLIAM PENDER, Cambusnethan, aged 2 months.
Parents - John Pender & Jeanie Ross.
476 on 1st January 1874.
JOHN PENDER, coal miner, Hamilton, aged 25 years, married.
Parents - William Pender & Elizabeth Dunbar.
476 on 7th December 1877.
What a very unfortunate family and December was a very unlucky month for them!
I wonder if John was involved in a mining accident? His name doesn't appear on the 1877 list on the Scottish Mining website.
Do you have a date of death for Elizabeth Dunbar? There is an Elizabeth Pender aged 71 years who died 1888, interred in the old churchyard in a family plot owned by a family named Allerdyce. Perhaps a married daughter?
Pender isn't a common name in these registers, no sign of William pre-1861.
It looks as if they were new to the parish, according to the 1851 census index William was born in Dumfriesshire, Elizabeth in Kilsyth and a son Alexander aged 13 years, also in Kilsyth.
If William did die before 1861 and is buried in Cambusnethan he will be in the old churchyard. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a headstone which has survived and there are no written records for the churchyard prior to about 1875, apart from the monumental inscriptions.
Percival is a very unusual name in this area, there are records for children of Hugh Percival & Mary Steel and also for Hugh Hamilton & Marion Percival.
Hope this has helped a little?
Good luck with your research,
Lodger
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Hi Lodger
Yes that is the correct family. John had a brain bleed whilst on his way home from work and agree that they were an unlucky family. John had a sister Janet or Jessie who married an Allardice so yes that would be my Elisabeth.
Thankyou ever so much for that
Karen
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Hello again Lodger
Many thanks for the HUTTON, & WILLIAMS photos. As well as the burial details & explanation. It is much appreciated.
JPF
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Hi Karen,
Here are the details from the Allardice plot, no Day Book exists for the period covering the interments, so no parents names. All Allardice family apart from Elizabeth but, it's always good to have some twigs on your branches.
Plot owner (In Victorian times) was A. Allardice.
In the South lair -
ALEXANDER ALLARDICE, aged 70 years. Interred on 26th January 1895.
JESSIE ALLARDICE, aged 79 years. 1st April 1932.
in the Centre lair -
ELIZABETH PENDER, aged 71 years. 19th October 1888.
JANE L. ALLARDICE, aged 13 months. 27th December 1892.
In the North lair -
ANN ALLARDICE, aged 70 years. 20th January 1895.
ANDREW ALLARDICE, aged 72 years. 7th April 1923.
There is a monumental inscription for this plot but I don't have a photograph of the stone, so it may not have survived from 1983 when the inscription was taken. I'll check it out.
The details are -
"Andrew Allardice died 5th April 1923 aged 72 years. His wife Jessie Pender died 30th March 1932 aged 79 years. Their son George Allardice, killed in Action 26th September 1916 aged 25 years".
There is one entry in the municipal cemetery (my records end at 1917).
ALEXANDER ALLARDICE, coal miner, Polmaise, Stirlingshire. Aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Andrew Allardice & Jessie Pinder. Interred in E532 on 23rd September 1912.
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Hi Lodger
Thanks for that.....can fill in some blanks now.....keep going off on a tangent though. I know you couldn't find anything on William Pender....Elizabeth's husband.....that man is driving me nuts haha..
Will just have to keep searching....it took me ages to find John so hoping that I will eventually find his father
Do you look at any other graveyards or stick to Cambusnethan
Thanks again for your time
Karen
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What other graveyards do you have in mind Karen?
I think William will be in Cambusnethan churchyard, possibly in Common Ground, that would explain why Elizabeth is in the Allardice plot. William may well be in that plot too, there's no way of knowing since no records exist for that time period. You see how many are in there since records commenced in the mid-1870s, at least 6 burials compared to 2 names on the stone.
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Didn't have any one in mind was just curious if you have covered any other..I have Hamilton family and Forrest family from Hamilton.
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I have the MIs for Hamilton parish churchyard, also some baptism records for the 1st Relief Congregation Church.
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I am looking for Abraham Hamilton born 1820 married to Margaret Forrest born 1819. My direct ancestor who I am struggling to find a record of her birth is Margaret Forest Hamilton born either 1852 or 1853 in Hamilton. I know that she moved to America to live with her daughter Jeanie. Margaret was married to the earlier mentioned John Pender.....she remarried the year after John died to a chap called Lawrence Kemp
Thanks again
Karen
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There isn't anything in the churchyard of Hamilton MIs for this family, or in the baptism records for the 1st Relief church, sorry.
According to the 1851 census index, Abraham was aged 31 and born in Hamilton, Margaret was also aged 31 and born in Blantyre parish. Their 3 children, Helen aged 4, Ann aged 2 and Thomas aged 4 months were all born in Hamilton. If Abraham & Margaret died in Scotland after 31st December 1854 there parents names, if known to the informant, will be on their death certificates.
Lodger
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Thanks Lodger
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Hi Lodger,
Would it be possible to request a look at the Brownlee & Gardener headstone from your list please? If you still have them at hand please let me know.
thankyou
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Hi Shaun, there are 2 stones together on one plot, the pictures are not too good but if you are sure this is the family you are looking for I can go back and take a few more showing the surrounding area.
The transcriptions are - "Erected by James Brounlee and Mary Gardener in memory of their children James, Jane and Margaret who died in the month of October 1811. Betty Brounlee their daughter died 11th November 1821 aged 16 years. Margaret Brounlee their daughter died 15th May 1822 aged 4 years".
"James Brounlee son of James Brounlee and Mary Gardener died 26th September 1822 aged 8 years. Grizel Brounlee their daughter died 1st April 1824 aged 3 years. Mary Gardener died 10th February 1828 aged 47 years. Their daughter Janet died 6th December 1829 aged 17 years. Alexander Brounlee died 1st February 1835 aged 16 months. Alexander Brounlee died 19th July 1842 aged 3 years. James Brounlee died 26th March 1843 aged 73 years".
According to the records there are at least another seven adults and one child in this plot, the last entry is for David Brownlie aged 68 years, interred on 6th December 1948.
I wonder if this is the Brownlie family who farmed at Headlesscross?
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Wow thankyou so much for your quick response Lodger. No please dont go out of your way for me as I am not 100% sure these are the right people for my family.
Basically my great great grandfather called James Gardener lived in Jeanfield house in Glasgow as a young child with his father Andrew Gardener/Gardiner. When the land was sold to become a cemetary I believe that Andrew Gardiner moved to hos wifes fathers farm in cambusnethan, called foulsykes farm. His wife was originally a ford. And it was here in 1951 that my family, Andrew Gardiner and his son James Gardiner lived on Foulsykes farm along with a clad Brownlee and another Brownlee whose name i cant remember.
So it was just a hunch that these two names might have cross over at some point whilst living there.
I dont think it was long until Andrew moved back to Glasgow
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Hi Lodger,
I'd be grateful if you could post a pic of the CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK headstone.
Jane McKendrick was one of seven illegitimate children that her mother, Helen McKendrick had in Wishaw between 1855 and 1871. I'm on the look out for any information I can find that might indicate who the father was.
I see you've posted information from other sources her, so I'd be very interested in anything you have on Helen McKendrick b.1839 d.1893 and Jemima McKendrick b. 1869.
Thanks for all your hard work on this thread,
Andy
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Re child James Cairns b 19/9/1874, d 13/12/1875 Wishaw.
Parents - Thomas Sommerville Cairns b 21/05/1851, died 3/9/1940 Dunedin, New Zealand.
Annie Mitchell b 7/2/1853, died 17/11/1911 Dunedin, New Zealand.
Married 31/12/1873 Wishaw.
findagrave.com 154612938
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Hello,This is the first time I have used this site, so please forgive me if I haven't got it right
I am from Perth Western Australia.
Will be in Scotland next May with family doing research.
My Greatgrandfather Gavin Cullen was buried in the Cambusnethan churchyard, does anyone have a photo of the grave stone
Thanks
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@ Lodger, Dr Mark Jardine is seeking the grave of Covenenter Arthur Inglis who is buried at Old Cambusnethan for his website, "Jardine's Book of Martyrs" the monument was there in 1960 but may have been vandalised. He can be contacted here, https://@drmarkjardine or at
jardinesbookofmartyrs@gmail.com
Skoosh.
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Lodger, do you happen to know if any of the Waddells from Leadloch were buried in Cambusnethan? The ones definitely descended from the Waddells of Holehouseburn were mostly buried in Whitburn, but Leadloch is just inside C'nethan so I wonder if some might have found their way to that kirkyard?
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Hi Lodger
I previously asked you about Abraham Hamilton and you couldn’t find anything in Hamilton MI’s.....does that cover Bent Cemetery? He died in 1907 and I think is buried in Bent Cemetery
Many thanks
Karen
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Hi Karen, the Hamilton MI's only cover the churchyard. There are very good burial records for the Bent, you could try contacting South Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries Office, they are very helpful there.
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Thanks Lodger
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Hi Lodger
I previously asked you about Abraham Hamilton and you couldn’t find anything in Hamilton MI’s.....does that cover Bent Cemetery? He died in 1907 and I think is buried in Bent Cemetery
Many thanks
Karen
The death in 1907 was in Kelvin.
Have you contacted Glasgow City Council?
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Hi Lodger
I previously asked you about Abraham Hamilton and you couldn’t find anything in Hamilton MI’s.....does that cover Bent Cemetery? He died in 1907 and I think is buried in Bent Cemetery
Many thanks
Karen
Abraham Hamilton is buried in Bent Cemetery, Hamilton
He was buried 11 May 1907 from 238 North Woodside Road, Glasgow age recorded as 88 years
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Hi Sancti
I have the death certs for Abraham and Margaret but was kind of hoping for a pic of the headstone...not even sure that there is one
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It is a very large cemetery with quite a few sections. Try South Lanarkshire Council for a lair number and I will check the lair plan I have
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Thanks Sancti
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Kall,
www.findagrave.com check Bent Cemetery Scotland ,1265 headstones to view, nothing for Abraham Hamilton, however,but 29 other Hamiltons .
Cheers
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Thanks lud
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hello just wondering if you have any HALLFORD, HALFORD, ALLFORD, ALFORD family headstones or MIs for this area
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Hello, you will have to give me more information, specifically, maiden surnames and a time frame. I think all the Hallfords in this area came up from England or Wales to work in the iron works in the middle of the 19th century. There are still some in the area, I remember a Richard Hallford.
There may be information in the burial records but I can't find anything in the MIs.
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Hello thanks for the reply the Hallford families (all spellings) that i have came up from DAWLEY, shropshire before 1851 the maiden names of the ladies that married into the families are - EWAN - CLAMP - BURNS - LUXTON - and for the ladies of the hallford family that married their husbands surnames include - STEVENTON - MCKENZIE - ATTWOOD - EWING - PHEE - SIMMONS - this is just a selection of the names that i can remember off hand.
Hello, you will have to give me more information, specifically, maiden surnames and a time frame. I think all the Hallfords in this area came up from England or Wales to work in the iron works in the middle of the 19th century. There are still some in the area, I remember a Richard Hallford.
There may be information in the burial records but I can't find anything in the MIs.
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Not as many Hal(l)fords in the Cambusnethan cemetery records as I was expecting. There are still Hallfords in the Craigneuk district of Wishaw.
This is what I found in the cemetery records, all dates are of interment.
JANET HALLFORD. Wishaw, aged 30 minutes.
Parents - Richard Hallford & Janet Burns.
Interred in public ground, 25th September 1908.
EDWARD LAFFERTY. Wishaw, aged 1 year & 4 months.
Parents - Edward Lafferty & Sarah Halford.
Interred in public ground, 20th April 1914.
BARBARA HALLFORD, housewife, aged 55 years. Craigneuk.
Parents - Thomas McKay & Hannah Young.
Interred in plot E188. 25th January 1908.
THOMAS W. DYAS, Castlehill View, aged 2 years.
Parents - George Dyas & Harriet Hallford.
Interred in public ground, 24th June 1908.
MARGARET WHITE. Wishaw, aged 11 months.
Parents - James White & Elizabeth Hallford.
Interred in public ground, 15th April 1909.
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From the 1923-25 Wishaw Street Directory.
HALLFORD EDWARD, cement worker, 51 Berryhill Row.
HALFORD THOMAS, labourer, 5a Carfin Road.
HALLFORD THOMAS, 63 Scotts Row. (not in the 1925 section).
HALLFORD R. Willowbank Terrace, Alexander St. (not in the 1925 section).
HALLFORD THOMAS, labourer, 5 Stenton Cottages.
From the 1911 Motherwell Street Directory, Craigneuk Section.
HALFORD THOMAS senior, puddler, 20 English Buildings, Craigneuk.
HALLFORD THOMAS, 34 English Buildings, Craigneuk.
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hi thank you for looking for me ... am i missing part of the post?
Not as many Hal(l)fords in the Cambusnethan cemetery records as I was expecting. There are still Hallfords in the Craigneuk district of Wishaw.
This is what I found in the cemetery records, all dates are of interment.
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Yes, it jumped to "post", sorry.
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Looking for Daniel Maxwell died 1890
Parents John Maxwell and Janet Nelson
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Hi Sancti,
I'm back home and suitably refreshed! (For about 3 days!)
There is no headstone for Daniel but according to the records, he is interred in the old churchyard at Cam'nethan, in a plot owned, according to the late Victorian book, by himself. Unusually, he is the sole name in the records, it tends to be couples, sometimes even several siblings.
Anyway, the plot book has the following information (the plot book only begins circa 1876)
In the south lair -
MARGARET MAXWELL, aged 13 months. Interred on 28th February 1887.
THOMAS MAXWELL, aged 6 years. Interred 15th January 1897.
In the centre lair -
DANIEL MAXWELL, aged 63 years. Interred 20th December 1890.
JAMES MAXWELL, aged 8 1/2 years. Interred 5th January 1897.
In the north lair -
MARGARET MAXWELL, aged 83 years. Interred 1st September 1910.
The following information is taken from the gravedigger's day book -
DANIEL MAXWELL, Newmains, aged 4 years.
ROBERT MAXWELL, Newmains, aged 15 months.
Parents - Daniel Maxwell & Margaret Smith.
Interred in the old churchyard, both on 16th March 1866.
MARGARET MAXWELL, Cambusnethan, aged 83 years, widow.
Parents - Alexander Smith & Margaret Finlay.
Interred in the old churchyard, 1st September 1910.
JAMES MAXWELL, labourer, Cambusnethan, aged 56 years, married.
Parents - Daniel Maxwell & Margaret Smith.
Interred in the new cemetery, E2403, 8th October 1913.
Lair owned by William Maxwell, miner. 206, Gardner's Land, Cam'nethan.
STILLBORN FEMALE MAXWELL, 244 Cam'nethan.
Parents - William Maxwell & Jeanie Botham.
interred in E2403 17th November 1916.
finally, this may be a red-herring but I'm including it because of the name. It seems odd that the child's names seem to be out of sync; but he may well have been illegitimate.
DANIEL MILLAR MAXWELL, Glasgow, aged 9 months.
Parents - William Millar & Jane Maxwell.
Interred in the old churchyard, 22nd February 1867.
Anything else you need, just ask.
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Brilliant info
Thanks Lodger
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I think Hamilton Allan & Steel could be one of mine.
Be grateful for a photograph.
Thank you
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Hi doolittle72, the stone is an obelisk which is now lying flat. The inscription is as follows -
"Erected to the memory of John Allan who died 1st June 1848 aged 58 years. John his son died 3rd March 1853 aged 10 years. Sarah Hamilton his wife died 14th January 1867 aged 68 years.
The burying place of Alexander Allan and Agnes Steel his wife. Alexander their son died 31st March 1856 aged 3 years. The above Alexander Allan died 25th November 1901 aged 79 years, his wife Agnes Steel died 11th March 1914 aged 92 years. Marion Reid Allan died 24th February 1910".
If this is the right family let me know as this stone forms part of a larger Allan plot.
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Hello: early on in this thread you mentioned that a 1974 transcriptions of the headstones exists at the Scottish Genealogical Society. Would it be possible to copy the pages if one visited the Society in person? I don't see reference to the transcription on their online listings, but am hopeful the transcription is still available.
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Hi Judy,
Only the SGS can answer that one, why not ask them?
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:) Good idea!
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Hi Lodger,
I am looking for headstones and information on the Lennox family that lived in Stewarton Street, Wishaw from around 1840s onward.
Charles Lennox (d. 20 April 1867) he was married to Elizabeth Murray (d. 2 Jan 1891).
The children:
Charles Lennox died 16 Feb 1909. Married to Marion Sommerville
Robert Lennox died 13 September 1864 (Coal fall)
Margaret Lennox/Reid died 14 Jan 1975 (Cholera). Married to David Reid.
Elizabeth Lennox/Reid died 6 May 1876 (Suicide). Married to Archibald Reid.
John Murray Lennox died 30th June 1896
Isabella Lennox: Still researching her.
If you can help that would be much appreciated.
Regards Roger
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Hi Roger,
No photographs I'm afraid, none of them are buried in the old churchard and that is where I have the most pictures of.
Quite a few of them in the burial records though and there may be headstones but I just don't have the pictures, I will check when I go over to the cemetery next time.
First of all, there are three seperate plots in the "Private" burial ground, this lies behind the old churchyard and to the west of the municipal cemetery.
First plot is Private 367.
CLAUD REID, Wishaw, aged 18 months.
Parents - David Reid & Margaret Lennox. Interred 14th May 1875.
JANE LIVINGSTONE, housekeeper, Wishaw, aged 64 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Livingstone & Janet Allan. Interred 13th July 1880.
DAVID REID, Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - David Reid & Ann Barclay. Interred 17th February 1892.
STILLBORN FEMALE REID, Wishaw.
Mother - Margaret B. Reid. Interred 4th March 1901.
STILLBORN FEMALE REID, Wishaw.
Parents - Charles Reid & Annie King. Interred 15th September 1898.
STILLBORN MALE REID, Wishaw.
Parents - Charles Reid & Annie King. Interred 30th April 1907.
DAVID REID, 72 Berryhill Rows, Wishaw, aged 3 days.
Parents - Robert Reid & Mary Newbury. Interred 22nd July 1916.
Next is plot 512 in the Private.
ELIZABETH REID, housewife, Wishaw, aged 31 years, married.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Elizabeth Murray. Interred 9th May 1876.
MARGARET REID, Wishaw, aged 19 months.
Parents - Archibald Reid & Eilzabeth Lennox. Interred 27th September 1876.
ARCHIBALD REID, coalminer, Overtown, aged 56 years, married.
Parents - Claud Reid & Elizabeth Buchanan. Interred 8th August 1898.
Next is plot 570 in the Private.
ROBERT LENNOX, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 13 years.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Elizabeth Murray. Interred 15th September 1864.
CHARLES LENNOX, coalminer, wishaw, aged 54 years, married.
Parents unknown. Interred 23rd April 1867.
MARGARET REID, housewife, Wishaw, aged 23 years, married.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Elizabeth Murray. Interred 16th January 1875.
ELIZABETH LENNOX, Wishaw, aged 75 years, widow.
Parents - John Murray & Elizabeth Little. Interred 5th January 1891.
JOHN MURRAY LENNOX, miner, Wishaw, aged 48 years, unmarried.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Elizabeth Murray. Interred 2nd July 1896.
CHARLES LENNOX, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 69 years, married.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Elizabeth Murray. Interred 18th February 1909.
That's all for the walled Private burial ground.
The rest are plots in the municipal cemetery adjacent to the ancient churchyard and the Private.
Plot C550.
NEWBORN MALE LENNOX, Wishaw, aged 3 days.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Grace Cowie. Interred 29th December 1884.
ELIZABETH LENNOX, Wishaw, aged 9 days.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Grace Cowie. Interred 3rd January 1885.
ROBERT LENNOX, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 22 years, married.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Marion Sommerville. Interred 24th August 1888.
JOHN LENNOX, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - Charles Lennox & Marion Sommerville. Interred 28th November 1900.
CHARLES LENNOX, Hamilton, aged 5 weeks.
Parents - William Lennox & Margaret Lightbody. Interred 25th December 1900.
CHARLES LENNOX, Ash Cottage Overtown, aged 3 months.
Parents - Andrew Lennox 7 Georgina Yuill. Interred 15th October 1906.
The next two are in other plots in the cemetery -
JANE SNEDDON LENNOX, Wishaw, aged 3 weeks.
Parents - Andrew Lennox & Georgina B. Yuill. Interred in plot E2164, 29th January 1913.
Plot owned (at the time) by Andrew Lennox, shoemaker, 4 Greenhead Road, Wishaw.
JEANIE McKENDRICK REID, Wishaw, still born.
Parents - Charles L. Reid & Annie Mckendrick King. Interred in E2046, 1st August 1914.
Plot owned (at the time) by Charles Lennox Reid, miner, 7 Roberts Street Wishaw.
finally, I found 2 interments in plot 233 Low Public in the municipal cemetery, this may be your family, maybe not!
ROBERT LENNOX, engineer, Wishaw, aged 21 years, unmarried.
Parents - Robert Lennox & Isabella Dow. interred 10th July 1867.
CATHERINE McARTHUR LENNOX, Wishaw, aged 2 months.
Mother - Catherine Lennox. Interred 1st October 1867.
If I find any headsones I'll photograph them and post them here.
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Hello
That's brilliant. Thanks very much.
Charles Lennox (d 1909) is my great-great Grandfather. His son William and his family moved to New Zealand, and as they say, the rest is history!
Plot 570 and 550 are my closest relatives. Plot 512 and Claud Reid in plot 367 are also related. Those in the other plots are likely not my relatives.
If you do get a chance to get some headstone photos that would be great.
It looks like the mid-1800s in Wishaw were pretty tough!
Compliments of the season.
Thanks again.
Roger
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I don't think I have asked this specifically before. Do you have a photo of the tombstone of John Russell d 1884 and Margaret McAlpine, d 1857? also on the stone are dau Marion, daug Marge, grandson William Gilchrist, and dau Janet. this is #55 in the 1972 Brownlee transcription.
Thank you,
Judy Russell
Brookhaven, Georgia
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Hi Judy, so sorry to have taken so long to reply, I have had a look and no, I don't have a picture of that particular stone. It may not even exist any more. Is your trip still going ahead as planned?
Kind regards ….. J.
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Hello and thank you for the response. Yes, our trip (barring corona virus snafus) is set for the last week in Jun. I was thinking one day I would pick up or meet Iain George and then make an attempt to find the tombstone that, apparently , was found by mr brownlie in 1972. Probably not too good a chance of finding, but certainly there are many kin in the newer Cambusnethan Cemetery in town.
Hi Judy, so sorry to have taken so long to reply, I have had a look and no, I don't have a picture of that particular stone. It may not even exist any more. Is your trip still going ahead as planned?
Kind regards ….. J.
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Lodger, your contributions are staggering and so appreciated. If you still are offering to share pictures of heastones, these are the ones that I would be interested in!
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE
HALLIDAY & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG
Much thanks in advance,
Ard
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Hi Ard,
I've had a look and can't find pictures of Halliday & Paterson or of Littlejohn & Young but, I do have Young & Littlejohn, would this be what you are looking for?
I will post what I have and try to get to the churchyard tomorrow and look for the rest. (Weather permitting!).
The 1st picture, Halliday & Brownlie, inscription reads -"Erected by Thomas Halliday and Marion Brownlie in memory of Robert Halliday their son who died 16th April 1840 aged 1 year and 6 months".
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Next is Littlejohn & Paterson. The inscription reads -
"Erected by Archibald Littlejohn and Marion Paterson to the memory of John Littlejohn their son who died 9th April 1846 aged 28 years. Also their son William Littlejohn who died (21st?) September 1857 aged 24 years. Marion Paterson died 9th June 1868 aged 76 years. Archibald Littlejohn died ........... 187(.) aged 8(5) years".
On the reverse side of the stone -
"Marion Littlejohn died 15th November 1886 aged 70 years".
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Littlejohn & Robertson. Inscription reads -
"Erected by C and U Littlejohn in memory of their father John Littlejohn who died 30th March 1852 aged 61 years. Mother Susan Robertson died 3rd December 1852 aged 62 years".
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Young & Littlejohn. This inscription is badly worn, the nearest I could get to it was -
"Erected by John Young and Isabella Littlejohn in memory of their daughter Janet who died ............ (1831) aged ...... months".
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Thanks so much, Lodger! I appreciate too the transcriptions!
The following is somewhat off-topic so maybe better as a private message but I thought I'd take a chance (If that is a problem, I apologize and am open to moving it elsewhere):
I just noticed that among your surname interests, you have the name Gilchrist. I was wondering if you had much information about your Gilchrist ancestors and their kin (i.e. whether it was a common family name, whether there were many unrelated families in the area....)
After I sent away for the death record of one of my ancestors (James Leggat, born circa 1817, Cambusnethan according to censuses), I learned that his mothers name Janet Gilchrist:
James Leggat Fruit dealer married to Jane Frew
died July 25th (1880) Dalziel Fruit House
64 yrs
Father James Leggat, soldier* (deceased)
mother Janet Leggat ms Gilchrist (deceased)
British Cholera, 3 days
inf. Wm Ferguson, son in law.
II don't know where he was buried...
Unfortunately, I cannot find on Scotland's People a birth/bap. record for James jr. (or wether he had siblings) nor a marriage for his parents. So that side of my tree goes no further than James Leggat sr. and Janet Gilchrist. From what I can tell, their descendants seemed to have stayed around the area - Dalziel, Windmill Hill, Hamilton, Old Mondkland, Cambusnethan, Wishaw/Motherwell, etc.
Based on Scottish naming patterns, I have wondered if Janet's father was Thomas Gichrist and mother (surname unknown), possibly, Agnes, Janet or Charlotte even...?.
Does that fit anything that you have in your records?
* And a question related to British history...really off topic - what affiliation would earn the title "soldier" in the early to mid 19th century?" Anyone?
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* And a question related to British history...really off topic - what affiliation would earn the title "soldier" in the early to mid 19th century?" Anyone?
I would take that to mean that he had served in the army at some point.
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Hi Ard,
Gilchrist is a fairly common name in the Lanarkshire area and, just to complicate things, before about 1800 is is often Gilkerson. I have Gilchrist's in my tree, mostly from Hamilton parish and, i suspect before that, they were in Carluke parish but I can't prove that - yet.
Can you relate to any of the families from the gravestone pictures? If you are sure, I can hunt around in the Cambusnethan burial records for more information.
Unfortunately, I can't find any of your Leggat's in Cambusnethan churchyard or cemetery. Some years are missing, especially for burials in common ground but I have something else still to try.
I've never heard of Dalziel Fruit House, a new one on me.
Just to cheer you up, here are 2 baptism entries from the register of Wishaw Relief Church.
JAMES, 1st child of James Leggat, wood merchant and Jean Frew, High Wishaw.
Born 12th January 1841, baptised 24th January 1841 by the Rev Peter Brown.
ISABELLA FREW, 2nd child of James Leggat, wood merchant and Jean Frew, High Wishaw.
(no birth date) Baptised 26th February 1843 by the Rev Peter Brown.
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Here is the Rev Peter Brown.
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Thanks Lodger,
Gilkerson? Never heard of that rendition! A great number of Scottish families immigrated to Canada (and elsewhere, of course) and the more I work on tree, the more I realize that many of the children I went to school with had surnames than turn up amongst my own branches. And, it so happens, our next-door neighbours back then happened to be Gilchirsts!
The MIs I requested have links to my family, but they are not direct ancestors but I am always looking for clues(I just looked for names I recognized among the ones you listed). For example, there as a Violet Halliday married George Brownlie in 1856 or Robert Halliday who married a Lilias Paterson... these are just 2 of the many children of Archibald Halliday and Marion Penman who were buried at Carluke (they too are indirect). I'm not sure how Thomas Halliday and Marion Bownlie may be connected to my tree, if at all.
As for Littlejohn, my great-great grandmother's sister, Margaret Dick Halliday, married David Littlejohn. whose parents were, in fact, Archibald Littlejohn and Marion Paterson. (Margaret and David named one of their daughters Marion Paterson Littlejohn). I do have the information for Margaret's burial (also at the old churchyard of Cambusnethan) but I don't know that David was buried there:
MARGARET LITTLEJOHN, Wishaw, aged 79 years, widow.
Parents - John Halliday & Elizabeth Blair Dick.
Interred in the old churchyard on 15th May 1911.
I also have other Halliday relatives who were buried in the new section of the Cambusnethan cemetery (including Margaret's brothers Robert (spouse Marion Allan) and John and two spouses) Although I have no images, I do have the placements etc.) Others of "my" Hallidays appear to have been buried in Carluke, though. However, my great grandmother Agnes and James Leggat III left Scotland and went to Cumberland!
You did definitely identified two children of James jr (although I had written down "wool" merchant rather than "wood'... wonder which would have been more likely. James, born 1841was in fact my direct ancestor - while Isabelle married a William Watson and another daughter, Janet Gilchrist Leggat married William Ferguson!
I really appreciate you doing these look-ups and providing such detailed information.
Now there is the matter of the surname Binnie that you also have in your tree.... ;)
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* And a question related to British history...really off topic - what affiliation would earn the title "soldier" in the early to mid 19th century?" Anyone?
I would take that to mean that he had served in the army at some point.
With respect to "soldier", I guess what I really want to know was, if James Leggat Sr. was identified as a "soldier", (deceased) on his son's record of death, does that mean "soldier" would have been his full-time occupation or even that he would have likely died as a soldier? And if that could be the case, I am also unclear on what and where wars may have occurred that a Scottish soldier born in the late 18th century may have fought or died in. And that would have been with the British army, I guess. I'm not from the UK nor am I very versed in such matters...
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He would have been fighting the French & quite possibly in the local regiment the Cameronians! ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameronian
Skoosh.
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With respect to "soldier", I guess what I really want to know was, if James Leggat Sr. was identified as a "soldier", (deceased) on his son's record of death, does that mean "soldier" would have been his full-time occupation or even that he would have likely died as a soldier?
Could be either, but I would infer that he had served a term as a regular professional solider.
And if that could be the case, I am also unclear on what and where wars may have occurred that a Scottish soldier born in the late 18th century may have fought or died in.
If James was aged 64 when he died in 1880, he would have been born in 1815/1816. That's just after the end of the Napoleonic Wars which rumbled on from about 1790-ish until the Battle of Waterloo in 1815, and included the Peninsular War in Spain/Portugal. I think there was also some sort of war in North America in 1812-ish that his father might have been involved in. And then there were always wars of one sort or another in Asia.
And that would have been with the British army, I guess.
Yes. There were no separate Scottish, English, Welsh or Irish Armies, though there were regiments with those affiliations.
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Every nation had a Regular Army and Navy. Not all regular soldiers ever fired a shot in anger but the pay was steady and the British Army paid a pension, so that is another route you could go down, tracking him through the pension records which, I think, are at Kew, in London. Monica may be able to advise on that?
As for the name Binnie, mine were from the parish of Polmont, on the south bank of the river Forth.
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David Littlejohn is in the same plot as Margaret, he was aged 64 years and was interred on 16th January 1884. The plot was owned by Archibald Littlejohn.
also in that plot is James aged 20 months, son of David & Margaret, interred 9th February 1872.
I seem to remember that I've given you this information already. The other son John, who was 18 years old, occupation "hostler" rings a bell. I think there was a discussion on the List concerning that occupation?
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Thank you Forfarian and Skoosh for enlightening me on the state of military affairs at the time (and the link) - I will explore that more!
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David Littlejohn is in the same plot as Margaret, he was aged 64 years and was interred on 16th January 1884. The plot was owned by Archibald Littlejohn.
also in that plot is James aged 20 months, son of David & Margaret, interred 9th February 1872.
I seem to remember that I've given you this information already. The other son John, who was 18 years old, occupation "hostler" rings a bell. I think there was a discussion on the List concerning that occupation?
Yes, Lodger, you probably did! I know there are several threads that are interrelated and you have been (are) a very generous presence on many!!! I often pick branch of my tree to investigate because of some aspect or discovery and, sometimes, when I am looking for a particular bit of information about past relatives, I fall on a Rootschat discussion that wasn’t my initial focus and get hooked. So it’s never a steady climb, information-wise. I suspect that, at some point(s), I was on a roll with the Littlejohns (because you and others provided me with a wealth of information) and then had get back to my work and join the world of the living again!
So indeed, in my files I have a list of Littlejohn related-burials listed under Alexander Sr. Somehow, however, David had escaped my notice when I was reviewing the names in the list; perhaps because hadn’t actually entered his burial place in the proper area in my program, I (thought I) only had the year of his death. Nevertheless, the MIs of the gravestones you posted have allowed me to fill out the Littlejohn tree just that much more. So I apologize for any repeated questions but, on my end, they never turn out to be for naught!!
(And yes) I also have information for James and John – I just looked up hostler” (who knows, maybe "again") – I thought it might be connected to inns (as in the modern “hostels”) not horses (although the definition I found does say, “historical - man employed to look after the horses of people staying at an inn,” so I don’t feel too bad).
So I thank you for your look-ups and your patience!!
Cheers,
Ard
PS Binnie – a relatively recent discovery of a direct ancestor (a marriage at Cannongate, Edinburgh and an entirely different branch of my family). I really don’t have enough to go on to try to connect with anyone– but since it had been the first time I had come across the surname, I found it curious to see it among yours!!
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Hi Lodger,
I am a newbee to RootsChat so please excuse me if I am not doing this correctly.
I see in your list of headstone pictures for Cambusnethan Churchyard Wishaw that there is a headstone listed for Kerr Braidwood. Is it possible to obtain a copy of the photo for this headstone and how do I go about obtaining this.
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Charlotte Mathieson and James Hamilton were my husbands family too. He knew the McNeils
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great work would you have a headstone for any Holmes family members in Cambuslang Cemetery looking for Robert Holmes, William Holmes and Agnes Smith Holmes nee Winning
Many thanks Kim
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Hi Kim,
You must be confusing Cambuslang and Cambusnethan, two very different parishes about 8 - 10 miles apart. I don't have any information of any sort on the burial grounds of Cambuslang, sorry.
Kind regards,
Lodger.
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Good Afternoon,
I am wondering if you have any headstone pictures or burial information on George Gold, , died in 1918 ? Do you happen to know if any Muldoon were buried in this cemetery?
Thanks in advance for your assistance!
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Hello Blangl and welcome to Rootschat.
Unfortunately, the records I have for Cambusnethan cemetery end at 1916, with a handful more scattered throughout 1917, so I can't tell you anything about George Gold's interment in 1918.
Was he by any chance married to Janet Lawson?
As for Muldoon, there are a few, mostly in pauper's graves, do you have Daniel as a forename with them?
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Hi doolittle72, the stone is an obelisk which is now lying flat. The inscription is as follows -
"Erected to the memory of John Allan who died 1st June 1848 aged 58 years. John his son died 3rd March 1853 aged 10 years. Sarah Hamilton his wife died 14th January 1867 aged 68 years.
The burying place of Alexander Allan and Agnes Steel his wife. Alexander their son died 31st March 1856 aged 3 years. The above Alexander Allan died 25th November 1901 aged 79 years, his wife Agnes Steel died 11th March 1914 aged 92 years. Marion Reid Allan died 24th February 1910".
If this is the right family let me know as this stone forms part of a larger Allan plot.
Hi
I'm a few years late but, i've just come across this and the they are all direct descendants of mine. You mentioned that it was part of a larger Allan plot and I was wondering if you had any more information on that.
Regards
Callum
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Hi Callum,
You already have the information and a photograph of the Allan & Hamilton stone.
I don't have pictures of the other 3 stones on this plot but I do have the inscriptions.
They are as follows -
"James Allan died 27th November 1867 aged 71 years. His wife Isobel Cooper died 5th May 1863 aged 62 years. Their son Alexander died 4th January 1843 aged 16 years. Their son John died 12th February 1862 aged 32 years".
"Erected by Alexander Allan and Catherine Smith in memory of their son Alexander who died 1835. Their daughter Isabella died 1854. Their daughter Janet died 1862 and Catherine died 1854".
(This stone is very worn and in poor condition, is the "Catherine 1854" the mother or another daughter?)
"William Allan died 8th September 1872 aged 80 years. His wife Margaret Hendrie died 10th February 1861 aged 54 years. Margaret Allan Gold died 8th February 1899 aged 43 years (also her 2 sons) Son Alexander died 16th June 1921 aged 85 years (his wife Agnes Graham died 6th January 1921 aged 85 years and their son Alexander died 4th September 1922 aged 52 years)."
These stones are all in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan in Wishaw, the modern, municipal cemetery adjoins the churchyard.
There are Plot records for the churchyard but these only begin about 1875 but they are supplemented by the entries in the gravediggers Day Book from the municipal cemetery (the same men were used for both burial grounds).
First of all, I will list the entries in the Plot Book for the Allan & Hamilton lair, as that's the one you are sure you are descended from. (Remember it only begins at 1875 and isn't 100% accurate).
All dates are of interment.
Plot owned by Alexander Allan & Agnes Steel.
In the Centre compartment -
MARION REID ALLAN, aged 54 years, 26th February 1910.
In the North compartment -
ALEXANDER ALLAN, aged 79 years, 27th November 1901.
AGNES ALLAN, aged 92 years, 14th March 1914.
The Allan & Cooper plot next.
Owners were James Allan & Isobel Cooper.
In the South compartment -
JAMES FLEMING, aged 62 years, 26th December 1885.
CHRISTINA FLEMING, aged 69 years, 11th March 1901.
In the Centre -
WILLIAM ALLAN, aged 60 years, 1st June 1894.
In the North -
ISABELLA McARTHUR, aged 63 years, 18th January 1889.
Next is the Allan & Smith plot.
Owners were Alexander Allan & Catherine Smith.
In the South compartment -
MARION ALLAN, aged 76 years, 23rd January 1905.
In the Centre -
W.A.H. ALLAN, aged 11 months, 17th January 1896.
WILLIAM ALLAN, aged 34 years, 14th November 1898.
In the North -
JOHN LOUGHLIN, aged 44 years, 6th February 1897.
Next is the Allan & Hendrie plot.
Owners were Alexander Allan & Agnes Graham.
In the South compartment -
AGNES GOLD, aged 7 years, 23rd April 1888.
AGNES GRAHAM GOLD, aged 11 months, 16th September 1899.
AGNES ALLAN, aged 85 years, 10th January 1921.
ALEXANDER ALLAN, aged 52 years, 7th September 1922.
In the Centre -
ALEXANDER ALLAN, aged 85 years, 20th June 1921.
I will send more records in the next post, right now it's lunch time ;D
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Hi
Many thanks for sending this information. With John Allan being my direct relative, and him dying before records kept names of parents, his line ended with him. Thanks to yourself, i've now discovered that Alexander, William and James were his brothers and he was born in Liberton, Edinburgh and of course, i now know who his parents were.
James Allan was actually a grave-digger in the 1851 census.
Many thanks,
Callum
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Hi Calum, here is the next instalment, all of the following are from the Day Books, these were kept by the cemetery grave-diggers who obviously looked after the old churchyard as well.
A few of these entries are for the municipal cemetery.
Again, all dates are of interment.
MARGARET HENRY or ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - Robert Henry & Ann King.
Old churchyard, 13th February 1861.
JOHN ALLAN, tailor, Cambusnethan, aged 32, unmarried.
Parents - James Allan & Isabella Cooper.
Old churchyard, 23rd February 1862.
JANET ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 47 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Catherine Smith.
Old churchyard, 3rd November 1862.
GAVIN ALLAN, Thornhill, aged 7 months.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Agnes Graham.
Old churchyard, 16th January 1863.
ISABELLA ALLAN, Cambusnethan, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - John Cooper & Isabella Hamilton.
Old churchyard, 7th May 1863.
ANN ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 8 years.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Agnes Graham.
Old churchyard, 3rd May 1866.
JOHN SMELLIE, Wishaw, aged 22 months.
Parents - John Smellie & Catherine Allan.
Old churchyard, 14th September 1866.
SARAH ALLAN, Cambusnethan, aged 68 years, widow.
Parents - James Hamilton & Jane Weir.
Old churchyard, 17th January 1867.
ANN ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 27 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Allan & Margaret Hendrie.
Old churchyard, 1st May 1873.
WILLIAM ALLAN, labourer, Wishaw, aged 47 years, widower.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Catherine Smith.
Old churchyard, 6th September 1873.
JOHN ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 23 months.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Agnes Graham.
Old churchyard, 1st May 1875.
CATHERINE SMELLIE, Wishaw, aged 58 years, widow.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Catherine Smith.
New cemetery, plot A18, 14th November 1883.
CATHERINE S. SMELLIE, Carbarns, aged 18 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Smellie & Catherine Allan.
New cemetery, plot A18, 14th October 1885.
WILLIAM M. SMITH, 2 Springbank, aged 9 months.
Parents - James Smith & Janet McCulloch.
New cemetery, plot A18, 5th October 1909.
CHRISTINA ALLAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 76 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Catherine Smith.
New cemetery, plot C675, 20th October 1896.
MARION REID ALLAN, Wishaw - usual residence "Allanton" Hermitage Drive, Edinburgh.
Aged 51 years, widow.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Agnes Steel.
Old churchyard, 26th February 1910.
JANE COOPER McCALLUM, Cambusnethan, aged 71 years, widow.
Parents - James Allan & Isabella Cooper.
New cemetery, plot B115, 7th May 1913.
Plot owned by Marion McCallum or Smith, Hall Park, Wishaw.
AGNES ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 92 years, widow.
Parents - James Steel & Agnes Reid.
Old churchyard, 14th March 1914.
Finally, here is one that may be related to you but I'm unsure.
ALEXANDER ALLAN, thatcher, Wishaw, aged 80 years, widower.
Parents - Alexander Allan & Christina (surname unknown).
Old churchyard, 16th March 1869.
There may be a few others, I'll have another look. Good luck with sorting out this lot!
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Ancestry has a poor relief application from the parish of Cambusnethan for William Allan, aged 58 years. the claim was made 18th May 1894 from 87 Stewarton St, Wishaw where he was in lodgings with Mrs McGlone.
He was unmarried, a protestant and his occupation was shoemaker.
He states he was born in the parish of Cumbernauld and that his parents were James Allan, gravedigger and Isabella cooper, both dead at the time of this application.
He claims he has lived at his present address for 2.5 years and prior to that he lived in Cam'nethan for 17 years with Mrs Fleming.
May 18th 1894 - given relief of one shilling.
May 21st 1894 - given relief of 3 shillings.
May 28th 1894 it was recorded that he was now being looked after by friends from Glasgow.
June 5th 1894 - Now dead.
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Mrs Fleming may have been a married sister perhaps? She may be the Christina Fleming who is buried in the Allan & Cooper plot?
"Cam'nethan" is the local pronunciation of Cambusnethan and this helps distinguish the village from the parish of the same name. Cam'nethan is still the favoured name for the village to this day, even though it is considered (by outsiders) to be just another district of Wishaw.
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Apart from Alexander Allan & Agnes Steel, is there another Allan & Steel connection? A generation or two back perhaps?
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Hi
Thanks for sending all of this, it’s a big find in helping me trace this line back a further generation. The final Allan that you weren’t sure of is definitely a relative. Brother of John Allan (1790 - 1848) my gt gt gt gt gt grandfather. The missing surname for the mother is Watt.
Thanks to yourself I discovered that John Allan and his brothers were born in Mortonhall, Edinburgh and had moved down to Cambusnethan, most likely in the late 1790s.
It’s interesting that for Agnes Allan who died in 1914, her parents are down as James Steel and Agnes Reid. I have her mother as Marion Reid, which is how she appeared in censuses. I’ve not been able to find a death for her yet so I’ll have to look her up under Agnes.
As for your question about the Allan/Steel connection a few generations back, I couldn’t say in all honesty but since I’ve found my Allan’s were originally from Edinburgh perhaps not, but of course they could’ve originally come from Cambusnethan hence why they moved down there. I doubt we’ll know though.
Is there a cemetery map of some kind that could help me locate the Allan graves?
Also, are you aware if other cemeteries kept day books or was Cambusnethan just very organised?As this is really valuable information for those interested in family trees. ;D
Callum
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There isn't a plan or map of the old burial ground at Cambusnethan but the municipal cemetery has a section map inside the Kirk Road entrance. If you plan to visit the old burial ground I'd be happy to meet you there, I know roughly where the Allan plot is situated.
Most other cemeteries have Day Books, the Cambusnethan cemetery has them from 1861, shortly after it opened.
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Good morning,
Would it be possible to get a photo of the headstone for Gold,Weir, and Kilpatrick.
Thanks in advance,
Bridget Davis
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Hello Bridget, this stone is one of three stones situated on a large plot owned by the Gold family. I seem to remember a previous discussion on this same family, so there are others researching it.
The inscription is rather faded and in some places it is illegible, I will add what I have of it below.
"Erected by Andrew Gold in memory of Elizabeth Weir who died 8th January 1823 aged 74 years. The above Andrew Gold died 11th November 1857 aged 67 years. Also Rebecca Kilpatrick his wife who died at Cambusnethan 23rd July 1867 aged 77 years. John Millar died 30th October 1879 aged 36 years. His wife Rebecca Kilpatrick Muir died 15th October 1886 aged 39 years. His son in law Robert Muir ............... aged 62 years" ........ (rest worn).
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I have come across your details re: Cambusnethan grave yard names.
Would you by any chance have any of the following surnames.
Davidson
Black
Bryce
Murdock
Fisher
Brice
McGhee
McGhie
Prentice
Rodger’s
My contact:
Sandradashwood@falconcare.Co.uk
Please contact me this way so I can respond.
Thank you so much for any help
Sam
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Hi Sam,
Welcome to Rootschat. First of all, it's against the rules to leave your email address, you'll have to remove it.
As for the names, please be more specific if you can, I would have to have another, different surname on the same stone to make a match, a maiden surname would be good. No Bri(y)ce, Murdock(h) or McGhee but 18 Prentice stones!
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I have photographs of headstones from Cambusnethan Churchyard at Greenhead Road (not the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill). If anyone requires a copy, please contact me by PM and include your email address. The names in upper-case are the principal surnames on the stone, (usually Husband + Wife). The names in lower-case are Christian names and placenames. Where there is only one surname, I have tried to add at least one Christian name.
This thread is purely for requests of photos for this particular cemetery and any new genealogical research post should move to a new thread
ALLAN & GORDON
ALLAN, HAMILTON & STEEL
ANDERSON & LUNN
BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
BLACK & DALZIEL
BOND, EASTON & SOMMERVILLE, Holytown
BROWN (Rev Peter) & SMITH
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON
BROWNLEE & GARDENER
BROWNLEE & HENDERSON
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY
BURNS & YETTS
CAIRNS & CARR
CRAIG & PATERSON
CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK
CALVIN & LAW
CLARKSON & BUCHANAN
CLELLAND & WALKER
COOPER & HAMILTON
CRAWFORD James 1853
CULLAN & BARMAN
CUMMINGHAM & KENNEDY
CUNNINGHAM & PRENTICE
CURRIE, HILL AND RUSSELL
CURRIE, THOMSON & THOM
DALZIEL & BRUCE
DALZIEL & CALDERHEAD
DALZIEL & DENIVAN
DALZIEL, MARSHALL & HODGE
DALZIEL & McFARLANE
DEAN & STINTON
DICKSON & NICOL
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE
DOUGLAS & BRUNT
DOUGLAS & STALKER
DUNN & GIBB
EASTON & LINDSAY
ELLIS & JAMIESON
FERGUSON & BROWNLIE
FERGUSON & CARMICHAEL
FERGUSON & GIBSON
FINLAY & SMITH
FORREST & MCnICOL
FORSYTH & TAYLOR
FRASER, BINNING, GILCHRIST & MARSHALL
FRENCH, FINLAY & LORIMER
GARDENER & BLACK
GARDNER & DALZIEL
GARDNER, McDONALD & HADDOW
GIBB, Robert & William
GILLESPIE & ALEXANDER
GOLD & MORTON
GOLD, WEIR & KILPATRICK
GOURLAY & AGUS
GRAHAM & STORRIE
GP & CR
GREY, DOUGLAS & DOBSON
GREY & PETTIGREW
HADDOW & MILLER
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE
HALLIDAY & PATERSON
HAMILTON & GILCHRIST
HAMILTON & McDONALD
HAMILTON & WYLIE
HANNAH & SMELLIE
HASTIE, BROWN & DALLAS
HAY, FISHER & BROWN
HEPBURN & DOUGLAS
HEPBURN, LOUDON & GROGAN
HEPBURN, SCOTT, STEWART, DAWSON, HAMILTON, GREY & NEILSON
HEPBURN & THOMSON
HEPBURN & WEIR
HEWITT, LIDDELL, REID, GILMOUR & KING
HORN & NAIRN
HUTTON & McMURTRIE
INGLES, SMITH & HAILSTONES
INGLIS & MARSHALL
IRVINE James 1859
JACK, WATT & LINDSAY
JACKSON, Douglas
JARDINE & HOOD
JARDINE, REID & ADAMS
KENNEDY & PATERSON
KERR & BRAIDWOOD
KIDD & TAYLOR
KILPATRICK & DARLING
KILPATRICK & WATSON
LAW & LEEPER
LEIGHTON David of coltness
LIDDELL Margaret, daughter of John
LIGHTBODY & DOUGLAS
LIGHTBODY & YETTS
LINDSAY, STEELE & SOMMERVILLE
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG
LONG Andrew
LOUDON & CUNNINGHAM
LOUDON, CUNNINGHAM & ELDER
LOUDON & MAIN, Stane
LOUDON, STEEL & SMITH
LOUDON & STEWART, Bonkle
MACKAY, FLEMING & WALLACE
MacLEAN & SNEDDON
MANN & HAMILTON
MARSHALL, BARCLAY & HOGG
MARSHALL & RUSSELL, Kingshill
MARTIN & BURNS
MARTIN & SYM
MASON & STARK
McALPINE & French
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM
McCORMICK & JOHNSTON
McCRONE & LANG
McCRONE Isabella
McDONALD & BAILLIE
McDONALD & McFARLANE
McFARLANE & WAUGH
MCINTYRE, Rev John
McKINLAY & McNEIL
McLEAN, David & Sarah
McLEAN & ADAMSON
McLEAN & BAILLIE
McLEAN & McDONALD
McLEOD & CRAWFORD
McQUEEN, Stonehouse moor
MILLER, J. (Corporal WWI)
MILLER & ELDER
MITCHELL & McFARLANE
MOFFAT, DAVIDSON, REID & PATERSON
MONTGOMERIE & NICHOLSON
MORTON, James
MORTON & GARDNER
MORTON & GOLD
MORTON & HAMILTON
MUIR & DOUGLAS
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
MUIRHEAD & BARR
MUIRHEAD & WEIR
NAISMITH & CALLAN
NAISMITH & CULLAN
NEILSON & BELL
NEILSON & BUCHANAN
PATON & COWAN
PATTERSON & DALZIEL
PENDER & McCULLOCH
PETTIGREW, Thomas
PETTIGREW, FORREST & GIBSON
PETTIGREW & REID
PORTER, Henry & Sarah Jane
PRENTICE, BLACK, GILCHRIST & DENT
PRENTICE, CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
PRENTICE & FRAME
PRENTICE & HAMILTON
PRENTICE & TORRANCE
RAE, James 1855
RANKIN
REID & GARDNER
RENWICK & LINDSAY
RITCHIE, Jeannie 1854
RITCHIE & RODGERS
ROBB & GIBB
ROBERT, RAE & CLELLAND
ROBERTSON, James & William, preacher
ROBERTSON & MUIR
RODGER & STEWART
RUSSELL & INGLES
RUSSELL & PEACOCK
RUSSELL & THOMSON
SAVAGE & TODD
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON. Springhill
SCOTT & ROBERTSON
SKEAD & BROWNLIE
SMELLIE, Hugh & William
SMELLIE, ALLAN & McDONALD
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & GARDNER
SMITH & BROWNLIE
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE. Springhill
SMITH, LINDSAY & MUIR
SMITH, Paterson, McNeil & Wardrope
SMITH & WYLLIE
SNEDDON
SOMMERVILLE, LEGGATE & LINDSAY
SPROT, Agnes Campbell
STARK & NIMMO
STARK & PRENTICE
STEEL & HADDOW
STEIN, Jessie, Margt & William, children of Andrew
STEVENSON & MORTON
STEWART Lockhart
STORRIE & THOM
STORRIE & WYLIE
SWINNERTON & STINTON
TAIT & THOMSON
TAYLOR & BARCLAY
TAYLOR & HAMILTON
TELFER & CORBETT
THOMSON, CLELLAND & RUSSELL
THOMSON & GIBB
THOMSON, McMINN, BELL & REID
THOMSON & STARK
TURNER & MCCULLOCH
TWEEDEL & GILCHRIST
WATSON & ALLAN
WATSON & ANDERSON
WATSON & CATHCART
WATT & EASTON
WATT & INGLIS
WATT & PETTIGREW
WEIR & ELDER
WEIR & WADDLE. Stewarton
WHITE, Robert 1854
WILKIE & HEPBURN
WILSON & McEWAN
WYLIE, CAMPBELL & BROWN
WYLIE, NELSON & McHUTCHESON
WYLIE & SOMMERVILLE
WYLIE & WALLACE
YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN
YOUNG & REID
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Hi. I’m wondering what further information you might have on the Fraser headstones. Thank you for sharing.
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This is the only Fraser headstone picture I have, unless there is one that has a married woman's maiden surname as Fraser.
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Hi Lodger,
I am interested in the details on the headstone for French, Finlay and Lorimer.
Thank you.
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This one is a little difficult to read, the transcription is -
"1841 Erected by John French to the memory of Margaret Finlay his spouse who died on the 7th June 1840 aged 23 years. And Elizabeth Lorimer his mother who died 17th September 1840 aged 73 years. John French died 12th Sept 1850 aged 34 years".
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Many thanks, Lodger. Much appreciated.
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Hello Lodger,
Do any of the gravestones have names Richard Marshall or Susan Marshall (nee Burns) on them? I am also interested in the transcription on the McAlpine & French gravestone.
Thank you.
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I can't find any reference to Richard & Susan in any of the Cambusnethan records I have, only a Richard Marshall who died unmarried in Cleland aged 28 in 1877.
The McAlpine stone should be easy enough for you to read but if not, just ask. The owners of that plot (in Victorian times) were "John & P. McAlpine & E. French". There doesn't seem to be any interments in that plot after that, certainly none after about 1880 when written records appear.
Do you have a French & Lorimer link?
Just looking at the picture of the stone, Elizabeth French died 29th October 1853 aged 44 years.
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Thank you, Lodger. Looking at the Lorimer stone if she died in 1840 then she is not the Elizabeth I am looking for as she was alive in 1841. Do you think the date on the stone could be 1850?
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I think it's 1840. It was originally transcribed as 1830 but I changed it sometime afterwards to 1840 but, it wont be the first gravestone to have been wrongly worded or dated. Elizabeth's details may have been added at the time of John's interment, the script looks slightly smaller than the the earlier stuff.
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Thanks, Lodger. As you point out the date may have been added wrongly by the engraver.
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Hi,
I am looking for a headstone for George Bell (12 Dec 1870-31 Mar 1871) in Cambusnethan Cemetery and any relatives who may be buried with/near him. His parents were George Bell (16 Jun 1821 - 17 Apr 1891) and Jane Brown (4 Sep 1827 - sometime before 1900. I can't remember where I found the burial record for George but it says "GEORGE BELL, Overtown, aged 3 months. Parents - George Bell and Jane Brown. Interred in Common Ground, 1st April 1871." Thank you in advance!
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Hello bkk125,
Welcome to Rootschat. Unfortunately, little George was interred in common ground, this means he was put into a pauper's grave and headstones were not allowed to be erected at such graves. As far as I can see, there are about 9 babies, (about 5 were stillbirths) and one adult in the same grave, all unrelated from what I can tell and all of them buried there within the space of 2 weeks.
I've had a look through the burial records and can't see any other children of George and Jane. I've also searched for George who died 17th April 1891, he is not in a private lair and the records of paupers burials for 1891 have not survived. Same with Jane I'm afraid.
Good luck with your research.
Lodger.
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Hi Lodger
I am still searching for answers.
From your list of headstones do you have more info on Brownlee & Russell
Brownlee & Russell, Tomson & Forrest
Smith Hamilton & Brownlie, Sprinhill?
Thank you so much
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Hi Turner, what is it you want to know?
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Hello Lodger
Thank you for the reply.
I have sent a message to your email.
We exchanged emails before my trip to Scotland last year
thank you
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Hi, Can I please get the information for -
Muir, Hastie and Cleghorn
Smith and Wyllie.
Thankyou, Zelda
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Hi Zelda,
It would be best if you removed your email address from your post.
The inscription for the Muir, Hastie & Cleghorn stone is difficult to read. It seems to be -
"Erected by James Muir to the memory of his wife Ann Hastie who died 9th July 1854 aged 57 years. Likewise Agnes Muir their daughter who died 7th July 18(3 or 5)4 aged 19 years. Also James Cleghorn their grandson who died 26th January 1848 aged 5 years. And Agnes Watson their granddaughter who died 30th August 1854 aged 11 months. Christina S Muir died 23rd October 1865 aged 18 months. Peter H Muir .......... aged 28 years". (rest of stone is buried).
See next post
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Hi Zelda, this is the adjoining plot, so most probably the same family. This stone is very badly eroded unfortunately.
The inscription was - "James Muir died 14th October 1879 aged 84 years. His son Daniel died at Shawlands, Glasgow 28th September 1903 aged 66 years, husband of Mary Douglas. Their daughter Mary Douglas died 20th April 1908 aged 42 years".
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Hi Zelda, this is what's left of the Smith and Wylie obelisk.
"Erected by Marion Wylie in memory of her husband Thomas Smith who died 16th December 1856 aged 56 years. And their two infant children. Marion Wylie died 20th March 1895 aged 85 years. Their son William died 17th August 1863 aged 27 years. Their daughter Marion died 31st January 1876 aged 22 years".
If the rain stops I will go to the churchyard and try to take some better pictures. Please let me know if these are the families you are looking for, I many be able to find some burial records for them.
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You're welcome!
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Thank you for the headstone photos etc but I would say they all fit into my families but I will have to connect them somehow to my direct ancestors with the Surname Wylie, Muir, Smith , Cleghorn .
Thank you for taking the time to get photos etc.
Zelda
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I am interested in the Thomson and Stark headstone pics.
Also, any other information you would have on these families.
I am trying to connect John Thomson to family in Lanarkshire.
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Hi Kathleen, the picture is of the family of Robert Thomson who died 1913 aged 81 years and his wife Annie Stark who died 1868 aged 36 years. Is this the family you're looking for?
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Lodger,
yes this is the family i am looking for. Can you please send me the picture.
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Hi Kathleen, the picture I have is not a good one, I will go to the churchyard tomorrow and try to get a better capture.
There's a little bit of a mystery about this burial plot. It doesn't show up in the old churchyard Plot Book but, the entry in the day register has Robert Thomson as being buried in the old churchyard.
This plot, if my memory is correct, is in a little space between the old churchyard and the area which was set aside for paupers burials. I will go to the churchyard tomorrow and check, plus take pictures.
The day books (or registers) begin when the new cemetery was opened in 1860, including the area mentioned for paupers. Before then, there had been paupers plots placed around the old churchyard, usually in odd corners. In the Day Book for the new cemetery, the paupers were put into plots which were in numerical order, usually about 7 bodies to each plot, depending on the sizes, a tremendous amount of them were children or still births, so more went in.
So, here's the odd thing.
William Thomson aged 4 years was interred in a pauper's grave, recorded as grave number 11, in December 1860. His baby brother James was also interred in grave number 11 in January 1861. No other person was interred in this plot.
In June 1868, Ann Stark, their mother, was interred in pauper's grave number 12. No other person is recorded as being interred in No.12.
By the time Ann died, the numbering of the paupers graves was up in the 200s.
My theory is that Robert purchased these 2 plots from the parish council, perhaps because they were right on the edge of the area and erected a stone. This is something I've never come across before.
See next post please.
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Anyway, here is the information from the cemetery Day Registers.
ROBERT THOMSON, retired joiner, Wishaw. Aged 81 years, widower.
Parents - William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
Interred in the old churchyard on 13th September 1913.
WILLIAM THOMSON, Caledonian Road (Wishaw) aged 4 years.
Parents - Robert Thomson and Ann Stark.
Interred in common ground, plot 11, 10th December 1860.
JAMES THOMSON, Wishaw. Aged 1 year.
Parents - Robert Thomson and Ann Stark.
Interred in common ground, plot 11, 14th January 1861.
ANN THOMSON, housewife, Wishaw. Aged 38 years, married.
Parents - James Stark and Elizabeth Hamilton.
Interred in common ground, plot 12, 2nd June 1868.
I don't have the entry for Jane Thomson who died in 1936 as the Day Books I have end at 1917 but, if there had been a plot book entry in the churchyard book, I could have found her in that!
I will check the stone tomorrow, her name is on that but, as I said, the picture I have isn't good.
I also may have information on Robert's parents, I'll check.
Also, I noticed interments for John Thomson, a joiner and his wife Isabella McMinn. Could he perhaps be a brother of Robert?
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William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
There is a monumental inscription but I don't have a picture for the stone. It is situated in a part of the churchyard that is now inaccessible due to the poor condition of the old ruined church. There has been a huge chain-link fence erected and sadly, this stone cannot now be seen. It may not even exist any more, the inscription was transcribed in 1983, so it could have been broken or the inscription been eroded in the intervening years. It is a "flat" stone, not an upright one.
The inscription is -
"William Thomson died 11th September 1858 aged (69) years. His wife Elizabeth Reid died 7th July 1869 aged 77 years. Their son Robert died 30th January 1831 aged 10 years. Their daughter Ann died 26th February 1852 aged 17 years".
These are the entries in the churchyard plot book for this plot, not as good as the Day Registers but helpful just the same. All dates are of interment, these plots were usually divided up into 3 compartments or lairs, North, South and Centre.
In the south lair -
J. HAMILTON, aged 2 years. 10th March 1883.
W. THOMSON, aged 66 years. 16th May 1884.
CATHERINE HAMILTON, aged 14 years. 10th February 1890.
In the Centre lair -
ISABELLA HAMILTON, aged 12 years. 15th May 1889.
MARION HAMILTON, aged 31 years. 23rd February 1882.
If I find anything else I'll post it.
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Thank you for your time on this. I look forward to what you have to give me.
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Another instalment.
This is from the records of the "Private" burial ground which was a small, walled area next to the churchyard, it was opened in January 1861 and the records are excellent.
This is a double plot, numbers 74 and 75. All dates are of interments. This is the family of Marion Thomson, daughter of William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
MARION SMITH, housewife, Carluke, aged 52 years, married.
Parents - William Thomson and Betsy Reid.
Interred in No.74, 9th February 1875.
WILLIAM SMITH, farmer, Wishaw, aged 59 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Smith & Helen Hamilton.
Interred in No.74, 19th April 1892.
HELEN HAMILTON SMITH, East Crindledyke, aged 5 years.
Parents - William Smith & Marion Thomson.
Interred in No. 75, 12th February 1868.
BETSY R. SMITH, East Crindledyke, aged 21 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Smith & Marion Thomson.
Interred in No.75, 22nd February 1882.
HELEN HAMILTON SMITH, Crindledyke, aged 12 years.
Parents - William Smith & Marion Thomson.
Interred in No. 74, 30th May 1884.
ALEXANDER SMITH, mining engineer, Carmyle, aged 36 years, married.
Parents - William Smith & Marion Thomson.
Interred in No.75, 28th September 1901.
STILLBORN FEMALE SMITH, Harestonehill.
Parents - Thomas Smith & Marion Steel.
Interred in No.74, 15th July 1862.
STILLBORN MALE SMITH, Harestonehill.
Parents - Thomas Smith & Marion Steel.
Interred in No.74, 11th August 1863.
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My husband is a descendent of Thomas Thomson who was a son of William Thomson and Betsy (Elizabeth) Reid. Making him a brother of Robert. I do have a John Thomson also as a brother he died March 1900. I could never find where he was buried. Interesting Thomas married a girl by the name of Margaret Stark. Her parents are James Stark and Jane Hamilton. Margaret was born in 1827. Both Thomas and Margaret are buried here in Canada. Now I am wondering if Ann Stark and Margaret Stark are related in some way....perhaps sisters. I wonder if Elizabeth Hamilton and my Jane Hamilton are the same person. I also have a Marion Thomson....again i could never find what happened to her.
The following are the list of children I have for William Thomson and Betsy Reid. Not sure if they are truly all their children. Working on that now.
Elizabeth 1813- unknown
Mary 1815-1889
William 1817- unknown
Robert 1820-1831
Thomas 1822-1862
John 1825-1900
Helen 1827-1900
Marion 1832- unknown
Robert 1832-1913
Ann 1834-1852
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I also have a Marion Thomson....again i could never find what happened to her.
This is the Marion Smith who died 1875. See my last posting.
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This is the headstone for Robert Thomson and Annie Stark.
It sits right on the edge of the paupers ground and is an anomaly, it wasn't originally classed as being part of part of the old churchyard but, as the photographs show, it isn't really part of the municipal cemetery either. The inscription should be easy enough to read but, just in case - -
"Erected by Robert Thomson and Annie Stark in memory of their two sons. William Thomson died 7th December 1860 aged 4 years. James Thomson died 12th January 1861 aged 2 years. Annie Stark died 29th May 1868 aged 36 years. The said Robert Thomson who died 10th September 1913 aged 81 years. Also their daughter Jane Thomson died 29th December 1936 aged 80 years".
In the last picture of this post, the Thomson stone is in the forefront, behind is the paupers field and in the distance, beyond the ancient yew tree, is the municipal cemetry.
I'll attach a few more pics in the next post.
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A few more pictures of the Thomson stone.
Looking at the back of the stone, into the old churchyard. The paupers field in the foreground.
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This is the obelisk headstone of John Thomson and Isabella McMinn. It was still upright when I transcribed in back in 1983 but, like many others, it has fallen over. The tree roots have caused havoc and what they missed, the vandals finished off. It was once a beautiful monument and thankfully is it still legible because someone had the foresight to use a slate tablet insert.
"Erected by John Thomson and Isabella McMinn in memory of their children. Daniel died 15th March 1839 aged 5 weeks. Daniel died 1st March 1860 aged 4 weeks. Mary Ann died 28th August 1866 aged 5 months. James died 9th March 1873 aged 3 years. Marion Bell Thomson died 19th January 1882 aged 18 years. Bessie Reid Thomson (wife of Matthew Boyd) died 4th October 1887 aged 26 years. The above John Thomson died 18th March 1900 aged 74 years. Isabella McMinn died 20th August 1907 aged 81 years".
The plot is just in front of the ancient ruined church, you can see the typically Scottish 17th century "birdcage" belltower in one of the pictures. I have to make 2 posts for the pictures!
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2 more of the Thomson & McMinn stone.
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This is the plot book entries for the John Thomson & Isabella McMinn plot in the old churchyard.
This book only began around 1876, entries from 1860 - 1876 were included in the gravediggers Day Book. Before 1860 we have to rely on monumental inscriptions.
This plot has the owners listed as John Thomson and Isabella McMinn.
In the South lair -
HUGH BELL THOMSON, aged 10 weeks, 7th February 1882.
In the Centre lair -
JOHN THOMSON, aged 74 years. 21st March 1900.
ISABELLA THOMSON, aged 81 years. 29th August 1907.
In the North lair -
MARION BELL THOMSON, aged 18 years, 23rd January 1882.
BETSY BOYD, aged 26 years, 7th October 1887.
This information is repeated (in more detail) in the Day Book.
ISABELLA THOMSON, Wishaw, aged 81 years, widow.
Parents - Hugh Bell McMinn and Marion Prentice.
Interred in old churchyard, 29th August 1907.
MARY ANN THOMSON, Wishaw, aged 5 months.
Parents - John Thomson and Isabella McMinn.
Interred in old churchyard, 31st August 1866.
JAMES THOMSON, Wishaw, aged 3 years.
Parents - John Thomson and Isabella McMinn.
Interred in old churchyard, 12th March 1873.
Also -
ELIZABETH THOMSON, Wishaw, aged 77 years, widow.
Parents Robert Reid and Elizabeth Cunningham.
Interred in old churchyard, 10th July 1869.
(This is Betsy Reid).
Also, from the Day Book of the "new" municipal cemetery -
JOHN THOMSON, joiner, Wishaw, aged 55 years, married.
Parents - John Thomson and Isabella McMinn.
interred in plot D253, 21st May 1908.
ROBERT THOMSON, stocktaker, Wishaw, aged 54 years, married.
Parents - John Thomson and Isabella McMinn.
Interred in plot F85 & 86. 28th April 1913.
Plot owned by John Reid Thomson, 43 West Thornlie Street, Wishaw.
That's all I have for now!
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Hi Ard,
I've had a look and can't find pictures of Halliday & Paterson or of Littlejohn & Young but, I do have Young & Littlejohn, would this be what you are looking for?
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The 1st picture, Halliday & Brownlie, inscription reads -"Erected by Thomas Halliday and Marion Brownlie in memory of Robert Halliday their son who died 16th April 1840 aged 1 year and 6 months".
Hi Lodger - a couple of years ago you posted the above information (along with the corresponding photo) in response to my Halliday query. At the time I didn't know how or if this Thomas was connected to my Halliday branch of the family (some of whom are apparently buried in a Carluke cemetery). So I was thrilled to discover recently that Thomas was the brother of my 3xgreat grandfather John Halliday - It turns out that Thomas and Marion moved to Canada in the 1850s (paving the way for later Halliday relatives, it would seem).
It has been difficult for me to piece together the family of Robert Halliday (brother of Archibald Halliday) and Margaret Williamson because there are so many gaps in the records available online but I've long suspected there must have been other children besides the three that I knew of (i.e, John, Agnes and a much later Violet). Fortunately, quite a few from the subsequent generation are listed in the Wishaw Relief Church records - that was also something that you introduced me to years back!
So thank you yet again for going above and beyond...it really was that inscription (in context) and the Halliday-Brownlie connection that led me to investigate further and ultimately helped me fill in a missing family member all these years later!
ard
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Hello again Ard,
Many thanks for your kind words, it is nice to know that my efforts have paid dividends!
(Sometimes I hear absolutely nothing from people I have really put myself out for - like the last set of pictures I posted - climbed over broken stones, nettles, soaking-wet grass and cleaned about 10 lbs of moss from a stone - and nothing! Not a dicky bird!)
Anyway, I had a look for your James Legget. Was his wife Marion Paterson by any chance?
Since last we corresponded, I have compiled a tree for my nephew, (my brother's son) his mother is descended from Margaret Halliday and John Gray. Margaret's parents were Archibald Halliday & Marion Penman, Margaret's youngest sister was Violet, who married George Brownlie.
I feel sure there must be a connection with your Hallidays.
Lodger.
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Moss makes great compost
Getting back to nature keeps you out the pub ;D
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I certainly appreciate all that I have learned through your generous offerings on many subjects and have referred back to them multiple times over the years... decades, even!
I solved another mystery just yesterday (although it makes for a new one):
In Cambusnethan Cemetery Grave Search - Part 2 ( Reply #123 on: Thursday 07 January 16) you had included a "Not too sure about the next 2 but just in case" (never underestimate those "just in case" entries!!!) for which you included inscriptions for two children of a George Brownlie and Janet Halliday.
What made these so mysterious is that there was of course the George Brownlie (s/o George Brownlie and Elisabeth King) who married a Violet Halliday!
Might there be an error in the records, I wondered - was Janet really Violet? Never one to give up, I discovered that Janet was the daughter of a Martin Halliday (1811-1861) and Catherine McMillan who married 1834 (Old Monkland). So now I also have the names of her six siblings!
However, I don't know who HER George Brownlie's parents were.
I also don't know how (or if) Martin Halliday may relate to "my" Hallidays!
Interesting that you have a connection to Margaret Halliday and John Gray, albeit indirect. You are correct - I am now fully confident that Margaret (and violet) were first cousins of my ggg grandfather John Halliday 1802-1853 (who m. to Elizabeth Blair Dick). He was one of the many coal miners to tragically die prematurely of a mine-related accident. A hard life that I can only try to imagine.
It was their daughter, my gg-grandmother Agnes Halliday who m. James Leggat (1841-1921). They eventually moved to Cumberland but sometime after Agnes died, James moved back to Wishaw and even married again late in life. His parents were James Leggat (b about 1816 Cambusnethan) and Jane Frew, and, based on his father's death record, his grandparents were James Leggat (a solider) and Janet Gilchrist!
I'm not aware of a Leggat-Paterson connected to "my" Leggats but beyond James Leggat who married Jane Frew, the branch is so far pretty sparse...
The information that I have gathered on Archibald and Robert Halliday is that they were brothers born in Perth to a Thomas Halliday and Anne Campbell. I don't know if they had other siblings. While Archibald and Marion's 12 children are quite well documented, that's not the case for Robert and Margaret (Williamson) who *I'm assuming* married in Crawford, where Margaret was apparently from and where two of their children, john and Agnes (1806) were born. I only know of their daughter Violet (cousin to the Violet who married Geo Brownlie) because of her 1839 death record, showing that she must have been born in about 1817.
So you can see why I thought there must have been other children but finding definitive records for them has been a challenge. One of the clues that helped me confirm that Thomas (b c1812) was their son was that he named a daughter Margaret Williamson Halliday! Thomas also married a Brownlie. From what I can gather, I figure she must be the daughter of Robert Brownlee and Marion Davidson. How all these Brownlies relate is still unclear. It's probably a fairly common name, isn't it?
I'm wondering now if, while compiling a tree for your nephew, you have found anything else on the ancestry of Robert and Archibald? Please feel free to email me if you would like to compare notes!!
Note: my postscript modifications are meant as clarifications!
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PS I've discovered Martin's parents! John Halliday (with various spellings) and Elizabeth Provan who married in Old Monkland in 1808. No further in how this family fits into the Halliday clan, though.
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Moss makes great compost
Getting back to nature keeps you out the pub ;D
;D
Joking aside, it is great to see your efforts being acknowledged this way, Lodger :)
Monica
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Thank you Monica, I appreciate your kind words, as I do Sancti's, I know he means well but his gardening tips aren't too hot ;D ;D ;D All that moss would get into my beer!
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When I read your post it made me think of you sitting in the corner of the King Lud and shouting "compost corner" in your best David Bellamy voice to everyone that enters. ;) :P
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Well, I've never been in the King Lud in my life! It's way too posh for me Sancti, pubs aren't what they used to be and the females in my life always want to drag me into high-class gin joints nowadays.
The Auld Hoose is a handy hostelry when I visit Cam'nethan kirkyaird though.
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Well you do like interacting with wildlife ;D
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Well you do like interacting with wildlife ;D
Why else would I be a member of this Forum?
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True! This place can be wild at times
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Thank you for the information on the Thomson Family.
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Hi,
new site member and just wondering if you could post the images of the Inglis graves you had listed. Many thanks
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Hello Hold and welcome to Rootschat.
Here are both pictures, I went over to the churchyard this morning to have a look at the stones, both are now much more worn. I'd take a guess and say that both Ingles/Inglis families are related as these stones are only separated by 2 others (in a churchyard of over 600 stones).
Here are the transcriptions, (transcribed in 1983) of both.
"Erected by James Ingles in memory of his father William who died July 1780 and is his intended burying place. Thomas Ingles died 17 November 1898 aged 74, his wife Mary Smith died 11th February 1874 aged 44 years, their eldest daughter Jane Hailstones died 5th August 1933 aged 71 years".
"Robert Inglis died 28th October 1853 aged 58 years. His 1st wife Janet Marshall died 13th March 1828 aged 24 years. His 2nd wife Margaret Brownlie died 20th September 1854 aged 52 years. Their daughter Margaret died 1st May 1833 aged 2 months. Also 2 children who died in infancy. Walter Inglis died 27th January 1829 aged 31 years".
There is another Inglis stone adjoining the one above, so it must be the same family -
"Erected by John Inglis in memory of his sister Grace who died 3rd July 1847 aged 18 years. His mother Margaret Hamilton died 17th August 1849 aged 4(?) years. His son Walter died 11th November 1881 aged 28 years. His wife Mary H Scott died 25th July 1898 aged 72 years. The above John Inglis died 21st March 1914 aged 87 years".
(This stone is completely broken).
If you this these stone definitely relate to you, let me know and I'll check the burial records for any other information there may be.
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Many thanks Lodger, its much appreciated.
I'll have a look at my records next week (2 x Christmas parties to go to this weekend) and see if/how they tie in to my family tree. Will let you know once I've completed that.
Many thanks and keep up the good work.
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No problem, enjoy the parties! ;D
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Lodger,
I have finally pieced together the info you sent me on the Thomson/Smith family.
I do have a question regarding Marion Smith (nee Thomson). You have her as the daughter of William Thomson and Betsy Reid. Which is correct. However, i do question the dates and ask if you can please confirm. You have her interred in No 74 on February 9, 1875 and that she passed away at the age of 52. That would mean she was born about 1823. The Marion that i have was born in 1832. I have found census information that confirms her marriage to William Smith and her children. The census information is from 1841 right up to 1881. In 1881 she was living with William (husband) and Betsy R. who was 20 at the time. That corresponds to Betsy R. Smith death at the age of 21 in the year 1882. Marion can not have passed away in 1875 if she is on the census in 1881. If she did indeed live to the age of 52 then she would have passed away in 1884 and not 1875. The census in 1881 lists her at the age of 48 which makes sense if she passed away in 1884 at the age of 52...three years later.
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I would like to thank you in advance for your help with the Thomson family.
I am now trying to piece everyone together and was hoping you had more information on the following including pictures of headstones
Thomson & Gibb
Currie, Thomson & Thom
Russell & Thomson
Tait & Thomson
Thomson, Clelland, Russell
Regards
Kathleen Armstrong
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Thomson & Gibb stone -
"Erected by John Thomson and Elizabeth Gibb in memory of their son William who died 27th July 1809 aged 14 years. John Thomson died 26th June 1816 aged 17 years. Elizabeth Thomson died 26th August 1845 aged 35 years. Elizabeth Gibb wife of John Thomson who died 12th November 1847 aged 81 years. John Thomson who died 8th October 1855 aged 84 years. David Thomson who died (?) July 1885 aged 84 years".
I also found another child of John and Elizabeth.
From the Day Book -
"Janet Ferguson, housewife, Wishaw. Aged 77 years, married.
Parents - John Thomson & Elizabeth Gibb.
Interred in the old churchyard on 17th December 1880".
From that entry I was able to find who she is buried with, there doesn't seem to be a headstone but there is some good information in the plot book entry -
(all dates are of interment)
Plot owned by James Ferguson & Janet Thomson.
In the South lair -
JAMES FERGUSON, aged 58 years. 22nd July 1895.
JANE F. FERGUSON, aged 68 years. 13th May 1911.
In the Centre lair -
JANET FERGUSON, aged 77 years. 17th December 1880.
JOHN FERGUSON, aged 82 years. 4th January 1884.
In the North lair -
ROBERT FERGUSON, aged 20 months. 13th September 1884.
LILY THOMSON, aged 22 months. 17th December 1888.
LILY THOMSON no age given. 26th September 1891.
And from the Day Book entry -
JANE F. FERGUSON, Wishaw. Aged 68 years, widow.
Parents - Thomas Smith & Jane Forrest.
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Russell and Thomson stone. This is simply a marker stone with the date of erection. Parishioners were encouraged to "mark their spot" in the churchyard as there was no formal plan apart from the one in the gravedigger's head!
There is good (later) information in the Plot Book though. (Sadly the book only starts about 1876).
Plot owned by William Russell & Janet Thomson.
In the South lair -
(no first name) Brown. (no age) 6th February 1882.
William Thomson Russell, aged 75 years. 19th November 1912.
In the Centre lair -
Agnes K. Russell, aged 76 years. 16th July 1932.
In the North lair -
William Thomson Russell, aged 30 years. 13th November 1907.
2 of these are in the Day Book -
WILLIAM THOMSON RUSSELL, coal miner, Law (village) Carluke. Aged 30 years, married.
Parents - William Thomson Russell & Agnes King.
Interred in the old churchyard, 13th November 1907.
WILLIAM THOMSON RUSSELL, retired colliery oversman, Law (village). Aged 75 years, married.
Parents - William Thomson Russell & Janet Thomson.
Interred in the old churchyard, 19th November 1912.
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Thomson, Clelland & Russell stone.
"Erected by Alexander Thomson in memory of his father William Thomson who died 24th May 1854 aged 66 years. Also his mother Christ(in)a Clelland died 10th October 1863 aged 69 years. The above Alexander Thomson died 14th May 1888 aged 63 years. Margaret Russell wife of Alex(ander) Thomson died 26th October 1900 aged 72 years".
The Plot Book doesn't have any more information, just the entries for Alexander & Margaret.
I found 1 entry in the Day Book -
ELIZABETH THOMSON, tambourer, Wishaw. Aged 34 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Thomson & Christina Cleland.
Interred in the old churchyard, 17th August 1871.
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I seem to have lost the photograph of the Currie, Thomson & Thom stone but here is the transcription.
"William Currie died 29th February 1875 aged 68 years. His wife Elizabeth Thomson died 17th October 1878 aged 71 years. Elizabeth Currie died 3rd April 1848 aged 5 years. Isabella Currie died 20th June 1853 aged 11 months. Their son John died 19th March 1927 aged 92 years, his wife Jane Thom died 24th January 1923 aged 78 years and their son William died 27th November 1880 aged 6 years".
Only the last 3 are mentioned in the Plot Book but it seems to be a very large plot so there are probably quite a few people interred there.
From the Day Book -
WILLIAM CURRIE, clothier, Cambusnethan. Aged 68 years, married.
Parents - William Currie & Isabella Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard, 29th February 1876.
ELIZABETH CURRIE, housewife, Cambusnethan. Aged 71 years, widower.
Parents - William Thomson & Elizabeth Shearer.
Interred in the old churchyard, 19th October 1878.
Could the following two be William's sister and mother? There is an anomaly with the father's name, William/John but you could check that out.
ISABELLA CURRIE, housewife, Kirkmuirhill, Lesmahagow. Aged 87 years, widow.
Parents - Francis Paterson & Elizabeth Ure.
Interred in the old churchyard, 11th January 1870.
ELIZABETH McINTOSH, housewife, Lesmahagow. Aged 69 years, married.
Parents - John Currie & Isabella Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard 26th August 1878.
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Thanks for all the info.
Did you find any info on Tait and Thomson
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Sorry, I overlooked that one. Here it is.
The Inscription reads -
"Erected by Joseph and William Tait in memory of their mother Marion Thomson who died 20th September 1860 aged 82 years. Joseph Tait senior who died November 1866 aged 57 years. William Tait died (8th) May 1887 aged 72 years".
This a a very large plot belonging to the Tait family, there are 2 other headstones on it.
The Plot Book has the owners as William & Joseph Tait and James Tait & Mary Rae.
Details from the Plot Book -
In the Centre lair-
(no first name) Tait. (no age) 13th June 1879.
Elizabeth B. Tait, aged 37 years. 17th June 1879.
Mary Tait, aged 72 years. 11th December 1880.
William Tait, aged 73 years. 10th May 1887.
In the North lair -
William Tait, aged 52 years. 2nd November 1903.
Christina Tait, aged 75 years. 6th January 1939.
From the Day Book -
JAMES TAIT, coal miner, Newmains, aged 52 years, married.
Parents - Charles Tait and Marion Thomson.
Interred in the old churchyard, 18th June 1864.
JOSEPH TAIT, coal miner, Newmains, aged 56 years, unmarried.
Parents - Charles Tait & Marion Thomson.
Interred old churchyard, 22nd November 1866.
ROBERT ANDREW TAIT, Wishaw, aged 9 months.
Parents - Simon Tait & Elizabeth Andrew.
Interred old churchyard, 6th November 1873.
STILLBORN MALE TAIT, Wishaw.
Parents - Simon Tait & Elizabeth Andrew.
Interred old churchyard 13th June 1879.
ELIZABETH B. TAIT, housewife, Wishaw, aged 37 years, married.
Parents - Robert Andrew & Janet Lean.
Interred old churchyard, 17th June 1879.
MARY TAIT, housewife, Wishaw, aged 72 years, widow.
Parents - Simon Rae & Mary McMinn.
Interred in old churchyard, 11th December 1880.
The information in the Day Book about the stillborn child fills in the blank in the Plot Book.
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A picture of the Tait plot showing 2 of the stones.
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This is the third Tait stone on that plot, the other name is Craik.
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Hi there!
I am looking for a headstone for an Elizabeth Robertson nee Templeton who was born in Muirkirk in 1814 and married James Robertson on 31 March 1837 in Muirkirk. Her Mum's maiden name was Adamson.
The 1851 Census has the family in Cambusnethan, and by 1861 James was a widower still in Cambusnethan. So I assume that Elizabeth died between 1851 and 1861.
I know it's a long shot, but you never know!
Thanks
Sue
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Hi Sue,
I don't have any record of a headstone for Elizabeth, sorry.
If her husband died in Cambusnethan parish and, if you know either his exact date of death or his parents names (with mother's maiden surname) I can look for his interment.
The only pre-1861 records are the monumental inscriptions and some mortcloth payments.
I did find one entry for a Robertson family member.
She is buried in the walled private burial ground, adjacent to the municipal cemetery and the old churchyard.
AGNES L. BURT, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 28 years, married.
Parents - James Robertson & Elizabeth Templeton.
Interred in plot 105 of the Private on 23rd December 1868.
I can't find any other interment in this plot.
Lodger.
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Thank you so much for your help so far.
James died 15 July 1891 in Cambusnethan. His parents were Andrew Robertson and Janet Swan.
FYI Agnes Burt was indeed part of the family. We'll have to have a wee visit over sometime.
Sue
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Sorry, no sign of him either! I don't have the paupers burials for 1891, I don't think they've survived but he isn't in the regular burial list for 1891.
There is a James Robertson who is listed as the owner of a plot in the old churchyard but his name isn't in the plot book, actually there are no Robertson's in that plot, one Liddell and 5 Reid's. If you recognise these names, let me know.
Lodger
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I recall visiting the Church yard and couldn't find the DOUGLAS and BROUNLEE headstone. Do you have a photo of that stone? I was also looking for DOUGLAS and MCALPINE. Any evidence of this headstone? Thanks Sue (Canada)
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Here is the Douglas & Brounlee stone, it's a "marker" stone, dated for the time it was erected, not for anyone who may have been interred there. The inscription reads -
"1829 The intended burying place for Robert Douglas and Elizabeth Brounlee his spouse".
Unfortunately, the only one I know for sure who is buried there (because of lack of written records) is a child
MARY R. MILROY, aged 1 year & 5 months, interred December 30th 1901.
However, I searched through the Day Book records, which supplement the lack of plot records and found the following, I have no way of knowing where in the churchyard these 3 people are buried, they may well be in the Douglas family plot but I can't say for sure.
JOHN DOUGLAS, weaver, Wishaw, aged 62 years, married.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Elizabeth Brownlie.
Interred in the old churchyard on November 20th 1863.
MARY REID, pauper, Wishaw, aged 77 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Elizabeth Brownlie.
Interred in the old churchyard on April 4th 1863.
ROBERT D. REID, mason, Glasgow, aged 43 years, married.
Parents - William Reid & Mary Douglas.
Interred in the old churchyard on January 3rd 1873.
Douglas is a fairly common name in the churchyard, would the surnames Allan, Marchbank or Young be connected do you know?
No sign of any Douglas & McAlpine stone or any evidence of interments with the combination of these 2 surnames. What makes you think they could be buried here?
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Interesting inscription re date 1829 as Robert DOUGLAS and Elizabeth BROUNLEE are both alive and well in the 1841 Census, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. Was/is placing 'markers' a common practice?
MARY R. MILROY is not familiar to me. Could be one of the Douglas/Brounlee ggrandchildren? My research hasn't extended that far into some of these Douglas lines.
JOHN DOUGLAS, a Cotton Weaver, s/o Robert and Elizabeth Douglas, did die in 1863 in Wishaw.
MARY REID d/o Robert and Elizabeth Douglas I did have her burial site. I assume her husband William b.1786, weaver, is also likely in the cemetery. No exact death date for William as yet.
I realize DOUGLAS is a common name as my gggrandmother Janet DOUGLAS (d/o Robert and Elizabeth B.) was married to James DOUGLAS (s/o Robert Douglas and Mary McAlpine). Mary McAlpine/McAlpen was James mother as she is with him in the 1841 & 1851 Scot. Census. Therefore suspected that James parents Robert Douglas (d.1837) and Mary McAlpine/McAlpen would be in the Cambusnethan Cemetery. I also have a Cemetery number for this Robert Douglas of #111 if that is of any help.
There are ALLANs but not confirmed, a Janet MARCHBANK married to Robert Douglas of Wishaw, s/o John Douglas and Elizabeth YOUNG who you mentioned. John Douglas was the son to Robert and Elizabeth Douglas. Thanks for adding to my Douglas line!
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Can you tell me the source of the information you have on the death of Robert Douglas who died 1837? The number 111 makes no sense to me at all, where did you find this?
Cambusnethan has no burial records before 1861, except the monumental inscriptions and a few mortcloths, which are found in the account book of the old parish records. Where in the parish did they live?
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This was correspondence I had in 2008. According to the Cambusnethan Cemetery #111, a Rogert Douglas, age 59, died Sept. 4, 1837. Is this a plot #? Robert Douglas of Elizabeth Brounlee, the headstone/marker was given a plot # 189/1. Does that sound familiar? All in Cambusnethan as far as I can tell.
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Now it makes sense!
189 is the entry in the book of monumental transcriptions in Cambusnethan churchyard (not Cambusnethan cemetery).
111 is an entry in the same book (compiled by me in 1982).
The transcription for 111 is
"Robert Douglas died 4th September 1837 aged 59 years. Stone erected by his son James".
There is no mention of the name McApline, so you cannot be sure that this is the family you are looking for. I do not have a picture of this stone, it was certainly there in 1982 but, after 40 years, it may have weathered too much to be readable or, it could have been vandalised. If the weather permits tomorrow, I will go and have a look for it.
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Can we go back to Mary, daughter of Robert and Elizabeth?
You say she was married to William Reid. Did they have a daughter Mary Ann who married William Hodge?
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Yes indeed!
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OK, I should answer your original question regarding the marker stone. Yes, it was very common to erect a stone to mark the family plot. There were many, many disputes over who owned what ground, so parishioners (all over the country) were advised to "mark their spots".
I have a monumental inscription for the Hodge plot but no picture of the stone, I will check tomorrow, it should be still there but perhaps it's in bits, it was an obelisk. The transcription was done in 1982, on my old Remington typewriter, so (after advice from the Scottish Genealogy Society) the text was put into order of - husband - wife - children - etc and all relationships are to the first name on the stone but the inscription on the actual stone may be in a different order.
"Obelisk. William Hodge died 10th February 1910 aged 84 years. His wife Mary Ann Reid died 13th February 1899 aged 72 years. Their son William died 3rd January 1866 aged 2 years. Their daughter Mary died 10th December 1871 aged 24 years. Their daughter Maggie died 10th July 1876 aged 23 years. Their daughter Elizabeth died 21st September 1883 aged 32 years. Their daughter Jeanie died 25th February 1895."
From the gravediggers Day Book, the above Mary aged 24 years was a teacher, interred 13th December 1871. The above Maggie (Margaret in the Day Book) aged 23 years, was a school mistress, her abode was given as Falkirk, interred 18th July 1876. William was aged 2 years & 6 months, interred 5th January 1866.
From the Plot Book for the old churchyard (This book only begins from around 1876).
all dates are of interment.
Owners of the above plot were William Hodge & Mary Ann Reid.
Interred in the centre compartment -
MARY HODGE, aged 72 years, 16th February 1899.
WILLIAM HODGE, aged 85 years, 12th February 1910.
Interred in the north compartment -
ELIZABETH HODGE, aged 32 years, 24th September 1883.
JEANIE HODGE, aged 37 years, 28th February 1895.
From the records of the municipal cemetery (adjacent to the churchyard).
Plot C476.
MARY ANN R. KERR, Wishaw, aged 19 months.
Parents - William Kerr & Robina R. Hodge.
Interred 17th February 1886.
ROBINA R. KERR, housewife, Wishaw, aged 29 years, married.
Parents - William Hodge & Mary Ann Reid.
Interred 2nd December 1886.
ARCHIBALD KERR, Wishaw, aged 15 months.
Parents - William Kerr & Robina R. Hodge.
Interred 10th March 1888.
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Five more interments extracted from the Day Books of Cambusnethan cemetery.
(These books began in 1861 and were used by the cemetery staff to record burials in the new cemetery which opened in 1861 and for burials from that date in the adjoining old churchyard).
ELIZABETH DOUGLAS, Wishaw, aged 6 months.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Janet Marchbank.
Interred in the old churchyard, 21st October 1861.
ROBERT DOUGLAS, baker, Wishaw, aged 35 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas & Elizabeth Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 17th December 1861.
CHRISTINA DOUGLAS, housewife, Glasgow, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas & Elizabeth Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 31st December 1877.
AGNES HARRISON, housewife, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas & Elizabeth Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 27th July 1878.
This last one is perhaps one of yours?
ELIZABETH ALLAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 41 years, married.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Agnes Young.
Interred in the old churchyard, 7th February 1872.
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All helpful dates and names. Thank you!
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Hello Teya,
The weather was lovely today so I made a trip to Cambusnethan churchyard and cemetery.
The first picture is the stone at Kerr plot in the cemetery, section C 476.
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Next is the Robert Douglas and Elizabeth Brounlee in the churchyard, I took a few pictures, in order to give you an idea of where the stone is situated. It is in the top left corner, at the junction of Kirk Road and Greenhead Road.
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The stone is in a very fragile condition, the ivy is very intrusive and in another couple of years the lower part of the inscription will have gone.
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You can see the blue direction sign on Kirk Road in this one.
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This is the Robert Douglas stone, erected by his son James. it is nowhere near the Douglas & Brounlee stone.
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A couple more to help you find it when you visit!
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Last one of the Douglas stone
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This is a view of the churchyard with the Douglas father & son stone in front. The Douglas & Brounlee stone is up round the left corner of the ruined church.
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Lastly, I looked for the Hodge and Reid obelisk and I'm almost certain that this is it! Sadly, the inscription is face-down.
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Yes, they all belong to me. Many thanks!
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Might you have any other Douglas surnames -
Robert Douglas Reid you confirmed but his wife Mary Findlay was not and am wondering if she remarried and might be listed.
Mary Ann Reid and Wm Hodge were confirmed but any evidence of Anne Hodge and Lawrence Jackson and Joanne Reid Hodge and Melville B Craig?
Douglas/Paterson - James and Helen, perhaps buried in Hamilton
Douglas/Rankin - Christiana and Duncan, perhaps buried in Glasgow
Douglas/Douglas - Alexander and Jean, perhaps buried in Glasgow
Somerville/Douglas - Thomas and Christiana and children
Thank you for all your help with this. Your photos of the headstone are most appreciated.
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I'll work through them but, without another surname to match up with, I wont find Mary Findlay, sorry.
The Helen Paterson who married James Douglas at Hamilton in 1820 was a sister of my gt-gt-gt-grandfather John Paterson. Small world. However, I strongly suspect that this James Douglas was the son of Robert Douglas and Mary McAlpine.
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Another headstone in the churchyard may link into your Douglas family.
The transcription reads -
"Erected by (...very worn..) in memory of his father James Douglas, farmer at Thornlee in the parish of Cambusnethan who died (..) May 1784 aged (..)". The rest of this stone has sunk below ground.
The plot book (which only begins around 1876) lists 2 entries.
ROBERT DOUGLAS, aged 65 years, interred 24th February 1892.
MARY DOUGLAS, aged 77 years, 2nd February 1903.
I may find more in the Day Book records.
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Going back to the stone in the churchyard for Robert Douglas who died 4th September 1837.
I found an entry in the plot book for that plot.
WILLIAM HAMILTON, aged 74 years, interred 9th January 1899.
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Could Thomas Sommerville have been married to ELIZABETH Douglas?
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Could this be Elizabeth? (Instead of Christina?)
ELIZABETH YOUNG HAMILTON, Glasgow Royal Infirmary, usual residence Wishaw, aged 56 years, widow.
Parents - Thomas Sommerville and Elizabeth Douglas.
Interred in plot C171 on 7th December 1910.
Also in the same plot -
JANET MITCHELL DEWAR, Coltness Mains, aged 6 years.
Parents - Robert Dewar & Margaret Brunton.
21st February 1895.
THOMAS HAMILTON, forrester, Coltness, aged 48 years, married.
Parents - Thomas Hamilton, no mother's name given.
20th February 1897.
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Your 1820 Proclamations of marriage with James Douglas and Helen Paterson is making me question my Douglas lineage. My James Douglas (1803-1857) married to Janet Douglas (1805-1857) show in the 1841 and 1851 Scotland Census - Mary McAlpine/McAlpen (abt.1780-1850s) present with the family. I assumed she would be James mother. However James Douglas and Helen Paterson have children with second names of Alpine suggesting this James Douglas has a relative McAlpine. Mary McAlpine would not have had two James!!!! Unless Helen Paterson had McAlpine relatives. Very confused!
Do you know the names of the parents of your Helen Paterson and James Douglas?
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My records show that Elizabeth Douglas (1829-1898) d/o John Douglas and Elizabeth Young married Thomas Somerville (1827-1910) in 1846, Wishaw.
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My Helen Paterson was the daughter of Alexander Paterson and Helen Hill, I have the death certificates of their three known children, all with the mother's maiden surname as Hill. No McAlpine/Alpine names in the Paterson family.
I don't have any parents for James, all I have are the Banns and the 1851 and 1861 census with his birthplace as Cambusnethan. He and Helen had six children that I know of, all born in the parish of Hamilton. They are - James born circa 1821, married Janet Currie. Alexander, born circa 1823. John, born 16th July 1825. Marion Alpine born 27th February 1830 - probably died about 1832. Robert born circa 1831. Marion Alpine born 3rd October 1834.
The fact that the eldest son was James suggests that he was named after his paternal grandfather, (although the father was James too). The second son being Alexander, named for his maternal grandfather, strengthens that argument. The name Marian (a variation, in Scotland, of Mary Ann) Alpine was so important to them that they used it twice, suggesting that whoever she was, she was a close and valued relative.
I have no idea when Helen Hill, the maternal grandmother died, she had no children after about 1800, so perhaps her daughter had no memory of her?
Ancestry try to point me with Hints towards James' parents being Robert Douglas and Elizabeth Brownlee but I don't buy it. (Hints from 2 trees, Moore and Anderson). although, to be honest, he isn't an ancestor of mine, so I don't care either way! He was married to a member of my Paterson family.
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According to the Scotlandspeople death index, James Douglas died in Hamilton 1866 aged 75 years, mother's maiden surname McAlpine.
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I checked the death certificate, here it is. His wife Helen died the following year. They lived in Muir Street in the Old Town area of Hamilton.
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My Helen Paterson was the daughter of Alexander Paterson and Helen Hill, I have the death certificates of their three known children, all with the mother's maiden surname as Hill. No McAlpine/Alpine names in the Paterson family.
I don't have any parents for James, all I have are the Banns and the 1851 and 1861 census with his birthplace as Cambusnethan. He and Helen had six children that I know of, all born in the parish of Hamilton. They are - James born circa 1821, married Janet Currie. Alexander, born circa 1823. John, born 16th July 1825. Marion Alpine born 27th February 1830 - probably died about 1832. Robert born circa 1831. Marion Alpine born 3rd October 1834.
The fact that the eldest son was James suggests that he was named after his paternal grandfather, (although the father was James too). The second son being Alexander, named for his maternal grandfather, strengthens that argument. The name Marian (a variation, in Scotland, of Mary Ann) Alpine was so important to them that they used it twice, suggesting that whoever she was, she was a close and valued relative.
I have no idea when Helen Hill, the maternal grandmother died, she had no children after about 1800, so perhaps her daughter had no memory of her?
Ancestry try to point me with Hints towards James' parents being Robert Douglas and Elizabeth Brownlee but I don't buy it. (Hints from 2 trees, Moore and Anderson). although, to be honest, he isn't an ancestor of mine, so I don't care either way! He was married to a member of my Paterson family.
I'm talking rubbish here, it's too late and it's past my bedtime!
Robert was the father's name but, according to James's death certificate his mother was McAlpine.
I wonder now if there was a mistake in the 1851 census? Or, were there two Mary/Marion McAlpine's?
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I managed to find a few more burial records, all from Cambusnethan old churchyard.
First of all, a plot in the churchyard without a headstone in place.
The owner, in Victorian times, was Robert Douglas. 3 interments recorded.
AGNES TENNANT DOUGLAS, aged 63 years.
Interred 14th October 1924.
ROBERT DOUGLAS, aged 74 years.
Interred 14th February 1912.
JANE HAMILTON DOUGLAS, aged 79 years.
Interred 29th April 1918.
According to the Scotlandspeople index, the above Robert Douglas' mother's maiden surname was Young. In the Day Book register he is described as a portioner, Wishaw, son of Robert Douglas and Agnes Young. (A portioner owned a (usually) small piece of land, enough for a house and stable perhaps).
The above Agnes Tennant Douglas died in Milngavie (Mill-guy) and her mother's maiden surname was Dougal.
This plot is very close to the plot with the stone "Erected to Robert Douglas by his son James". (No. 111 in your records).
A few more entries I found in the Day Books.
This first one is, I think, one of yours but I'm not sure.
JOHN D. REID, Glasgow, (residence Liverpool) aged 5 years.
Parents - John Reid and Janet Douglas.
Interred 6th April 1874.
STILLBORN MALE LIGHTBODY, 6 Sneddon's Pit.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody and Christina Douglas.
Interred 30th August 1866.
THOMAS LIGHTBODY, Wishaw, aged 17 months.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody and Christina Douglas.
Interred 15th September 1871.
CHRISTINA DOUGLAS, Glasgow, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - John Douglas and Elizabeth Young.
Interred 31st December 1877.
THOMAS SOMMERVILLE, Wishaw, aged 2 years & 7 months.
Parents - Thomas Sommerville and Elizabeth Douglas.
Interred 6th March 1867.
ELIZABETH DOUGLAS, Wishaw, aged 67 years, widow.
Parents - James Young and Elizabeth Martin.
Interred 4th February 1873.
ELIZABETH HAMILTON, Wishaw, aged 46 years, married.
Parents - James Douglas and Janet Douglas.
Interred 9th June 1873.
If you can prove/confirm that the above Elizabeth Hamilton was married to William Hamilton and that he died early January 1899 then you can safely assume that the plot No.111 is the right one as William is recorded as being interred in that plot 9th January 1899 aged 74 years.
I will now go and search for any children of William and Elizabeth.
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Do you have a Robert Douglas (possibly born about 1828 - 1832 perhaps?) who was married to Charlotte Brunt. She died, I think, 1854 aged 25 years, so he probably married again.
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Having studied the Douglas family further, I think your Helen Paterson married to James Douglas doesn’t belong to me as thought. Robert Douglas and Elizabeth Brounlee had a James Dowglass b. Apr. 30, 1788, Cambusnethan, and checking the 1851 and 1861 Scottish Census for James married to Helen Paterson, his age is wrong. Ancestry is quite misleading here.
John Brownlie (Brounlee) (1730-abt. 1800) and Mary Downie (1734-1799) had Thomas in 1759 Cambusnethan. Is there a Thomas Brownlie (Brounlee) listed with a Christian Hamilton? They married in Cambusnethan in 1787.
I’m hoping you might have a record for Somerville/Brownlee or Reid/Brownlee? Elizabeth Somerville (abt. 1810-1874) an illegitimate daughter to Mary Douglas (1786-1863) lived with Mary’s family after she married William Reid. Elizabeth Somerville or Reid married James Brownlee (1807-1857).
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Thank you for the entries for Agnes Tennant Douglas and her parents Robert and Jane H. Dougal.
John D. Reid as yet doesn’t seem to belong to me. I’m thinking Christina Douglas, d/o John Douglas and Elizabeth Young, is married to Thomas Lightbody. Elizabeth Hamilton is the daughter of my direct line who stayed behind with her husband and family when her Douglas family emigrated. I’m very glad to know where her remains are. And yes, William is indeed her husband, so No. 111 seems to be my Douglas plot.!
As you might expect I’ve a good number of Robert Douglas.
Robert Douglas b. 1826, Cambusnethan married Janet Marchbank in 1857, perhaps Charlotte Brunt (abt. 1829 – 1854) was his first wife? Or it could be the above Elizabeth Hamilton’s brother Robert Douglas (1831-1903) who married in June 1854. Is she buried in #111? There is also Robert Douglas b 1833 s/o Alexander Douglas and Agnes Anderson. I have no other data on him.
I think I’ve caught up on your messages. Again I appreciate all your help with this.
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If you check the original marriage certificate of Robert Douglas & Janet Marchbank it will state his status at the time of marriage, either single or a widower. I've already added the only Douglas - Marchbank entry I could find, it's on page 36 of this topic.
Couldn't find anything for a Douglas - Anderson combination, sorry. I have checked through all the other information you sent and this is everything I could find - -
All of the following were interred in the old churchyard and, all dates are of course, of interment.
MARY MUIR, 121 Kilmarnock Road, Shawlands, Glasgow. Aged 77 years, widow.
parents - John Douglas & Christina Douglas.
19th November 1908.
JESSIE M. DOUGLAS, Wishaw, aged 8 months.
Parents - Robert Douglas & Jane Dougall.
18th February 1863.
ELIZABETH T. MUIRHEAD, Wishaw, aged 25 years.
Parents - William Hamilton & Elizabeth Douglas.
11th February 1878.
STILLBORN MALE HARRISON, Wemyss Bank Orchard.
Parents - John Harrison & Agnes Douglas.
12th June 1872.
MARY HARRISON, Wishaw, aged 11 months.
Parents - John Harrison & Agnes Douglas.
16th May 1879.
If I come across anything else I'll get back to you.
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I don't believe Mary Muir belongs to me but the rest of your list are my clan!
Thanks.
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Teya, it looks as though your theory about Robert Douglas and Charlotte Brunt is correct.
I found the following entries in the Wishawtown Relief Church Baptism Register. (1831 - 1864).
CHRISTINA, 1st child of Robert Douglas, baker and Charlotte Brant, Low Wishaw.
Born 28th January 1849. Baptised by Rev Peter Brown 29th July 1849.
JOHN, 2nd child of Robert Douglas, baker and Charlotte Brunt, Low Wishaw.
Born 10th April and baptised 27th April 1851 by Rev P. Brown.
Note in margin - Child died 9th May 1851.
MARY MUIR, 4th child of Robert Douglas, baker and Janet Marchbank, 124 Main Street.
Born 30th October and baptised by Rev P. Brown 5th December 1858.
This can hardly be Janet Marchbank's 4th child if she only married Robert in 1857.
There are lots more of your family in this baptism book, I presume you have the details but, if you don't, just let me know.
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Mary Muir is a mystery. Could she be from a previous marriage?
Unfortunately I have only one Robert Douglas without a wife.
Could Christina Brunt be married to Robert Douglas b.1816, s/o Thomas Douglas and Sarah Nesbit? What years does the Baptismal Record Book record? I'm sure it might be helpful to fill in more of my blanks.
Thanks.
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The baptism register only begins at 1832 unfortunately.
We already know, from the burial records, that Robert Douglas the baker was the son of John Douglas and Elizabeth Young. His age at death was given as 35 years and his status was "married". This would make him born around 1826. I found another child for him -
ELIZABETH, 5th child of Robert Douglas, baker and Janet Marchbank, Marshall Street.
Born 25th April and baptised by Rev Peter Brown 2nd June 1861.
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More extracts from the Wishawtown Relief Congregation baptism book.
(Remember, it only begins at 1833).
JAMES, 4th child of John Douglas, weaver and Elizabeth Young, Low Wishaw.
Born 5th and baptised 26th May 1833 by Rev Peter Brown.
HELEN, 5th child of John Douglas, weaver and Elizabeth young, Low Wishaw.
Born 13th and baptised 26th July 1835 by Rev Peter Brown.
JOHN, 2nd child of William Hamilton, miner and Elizabeth Douglas, Marshall's Row.
Born 13th October and Baptised 4th November 1849 by Rev. P. Brown.
ISABELLA TELFORD, 3rd child of William Hamilton, miner and Elizabeth Douglas, Kirk Road.
Born 27th July and baptised 22nd August 1852, by Rev. P. Brown.
JANET DOUGLAS, 5th child of William Hamilton, cloth merchant and Elizabeth Douglas, Kirk Road.
Born 18th December 1857 and baptised by Rev. Peter Brown 7th February 1858.
ELIZABETH YOUNG, 1st child of Thomas Sommerville, carter and Elizabeth Douglas, distillery.
Born 22nd December 1853 and baptised by Rev P. Brown 15th January 1854.
JAMES, 2nd child of Thomas Sommerville, carter and Elizabeth Douglas, Low Wishaw.
Born 16th and baptised 30th March 1856 by Rev. Peter Brown.
JOHN DOUGLAS, 3rd child of Thomas Sommerville, carter and Elizabeth Douglas, 194 Main Street.
Born 8th September and baptised 3rd October 1858 by Rev P. Brown.
AGNES TENNANT, 5th child of Robert Douglas, clerk and Jane Dougal, 141 Main Street.
Born 19th May and baptised by Rev. Peter Brown 1st July 1860.
JANET MUIRHEAD, (6th?) child of Robert Douglas, clerk and Jane Dougal, 141 Main Street.
Born 23rd June and baptised 6th July 1862 by Rev. P. Brown.
ELISA JANE, (7th?) child of Robert Douglas, clerk and Jean Dougal, 141 Main Street.
Born 4th (December?) 1863 and baptised by Rev. James Scott 3rd January 1864.
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Here is the man himself! The Reverend Peter Brown, he was minister at the Relief Church from 22nd December 1831 and remained there until 15th November 1863, he then went, with his wife and children, to take up a new appointment with the United Presbyterian Church in Melbourne, Australia.
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The photo of Rev. Peter Brown is a great find. He would have seen this whole Douglas family. He would have likely married the younger Douglas/Brownlee family members if not other extended family members. Unfortunately my direct relatives, Janet Douglas Douglas was b. 1805 and married James Douglas abt. 1827, Cambusnethan. But they attended his church and half their children were baptized by him. When the news of the family's death while emigrating to Canada in 1857, he would be consoling daughter Elizabeth Douglas and William Hamilton and possibly son Robert Douglas who had recently moved and married in Leith.
I had much of the material for the baptisms sent but the entries also included father's occupation and where they lived which is interesting to have. Can you expand on what might have been happening in Scotland to the Home Weaving industry. So many of my relatives before they emigrated were all weavers for over a century!!! I've assumed that industrialization was taking over the industry and families didn't see how they would survive without this cottage craft.
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Yes, you're exactly right, weaving, as a cottage industry, had almost died out by the middle of the 19th century. There were a few exceptions, weavers of silk still plied their trade on hand-looms but, as far as I know, most of the silk weavers were in Hamilton, a few miles away from Wishaw. Power loom mills took over, the most famous one in this area was the mill at New Lanark, a mile outside the town of Lanark. Coal and ironstone mining was being introduced at the same time as the weaving trade was coming to an end, it must have been a real blow and a culture shock for the poor men who had to leave their looms to go down into the mines.
And yes once again, the Rev Brown would, as you say, have been closely involved with your family during his 30-year ministry at the Relief Church. The church was founded about 1822, before that date, the only church in the area was the parish church of Cambusnethan.
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Trying to get a handle on all these Douglases!
RE:
ELIZABETH T. MUIRHEAD, Wishaw, aged 25 years.
Parents - William Hamilton & Elizabeth Douglas.
11th February 1878.
According to Scotland's People it was Isabella not Elizabeth who died in
(1878 age 25 1878 MUIRHEAD/HAMILTON ISABELLA TELFOR age 25 mother m.n. DOUGLAS
628 / 45 CAMBUSNETHAN)
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Well spotted Ard!
I re-checked the transcripts I have and it is definitely Elizabeth T.
I wasn't involved in the transcribing of these particular records and this may either be a mistake on the transcriber's part or in the original record-keeper's. I've come across various mistakes over the years in these transcriptions and, to be honest, I think most of them were the fault of the original cemetery staff.
I hope Teya can perhaps shed some light?
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I have found that mistakes abound (particularly names) in all kinds of records, even OPRs - whether these be in the original records, early transcriptions or more recent ones. With everyone and their cat sharing similar names, it must have been easy for those maintaining the records to muddle the who's who of the various families!! In this case, it may have been a mix-up with her mother's name or who knows, maybe her full name was Isabella Elizabeth Telfor Hamilton!
But I did want to point it out because I had assumed there was a daughter Elizabeth and went looking for her yet the year date only fit Isabella! Per the OPRs, it appears she married a David Muirhead in 1873 so she died only five years into the marriage. As far I can tell they had two children, Robert (1874) and Elizabeth Douglas (in 1878, possibly leading to Isabella's premature death).
And I'll take this opportunity to once again thank you Lodger for the incredibly generous effort you put in to sharing so much information on this forum. I'm a grateful fan! It does seem, at times, that all those 19th century Wishaw/Cambusnethan families were related to each other in some shape or form. At one time you wrote something about 6 digits and webbed toes - I don't know if you were making a random joke, but I really had to laugh because my cousin does kind of have webbed toes!
Cheers!
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I can definitely respond to Isabella Telfer Hamilton. She is the daughter of William Hamilton and Elizabeth Douglas, grand daughter to James Douglas and Janet Douglas, my direct relatives.
Isabella was born July 27, 1852 Wishawtown and died age 25, Feb. 9, 1878 of Peritonitis in Wishaw. A child Elizabeth D. was born about that time and her death may have been related to this. David Muirhead remarried Nov. 15, 1878 to Marion Fisher. Isabella Telfer Hamilton was named after her father's mother Isabella Telfer.
In regard to Elizabeth T. Muirhead, I suspect it's an error and this should read Isabella T. Muirhead. According to Ard, she was buried Feb. 11, 1878. Is the burial near the Robert Douglas clan?
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Teya, all I can tell you is that she's in the old churchyard, if she'd have died after 1880 her name would have appeared in the Plot Book but, unless we know of any of the (presumably) Muirhead family who died after 1880 it's impossible to tell. There's no sign of David's interment either.
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David Muirhead with his 2nd wife Marion Fisher left Scotland in 1883 for the US and settled in Danville, Illinois.
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David Muirhead with his 2nd wife Marion Fisher left Scotland in 1883 for the US and settled in Danville, Illinois.
No wonder I couldn't find him! Perhaps you knew his parents names? I may be able to find them, if it's important to you?
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Just for the record, the name Isabella originates from the Spanish/Portuguese version of Elizabeth, so it is basically the same name. See https://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Isabel.html
I have, very occasionally, come across a person who has been referred to by both names.
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Just for the record, the name Isabella originates from the Spanish/Portuguese version of Elizabeth, so it is basically the same name. See https://www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Isabel.html
I have, very occasionally, come across a person who has been referred to by both names.
Well done Forfarian, that could explain this anomaly. She may have been known as Lizzie, or even Izzy, (an elderly friend of mine, a very douce and "Kirky" Isabel, is know to her VERY close friends as Izzy).
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I suspect you may well have records for David Muirhead's parents, Robert Muirhead (1799-1872) and Lydia Lithgow. I haven't studied much of their family, always curious about those that emigrated. David Muirhead was a Coalminer as was his father. Robert and Lydia lived their married lives in Wishaw and interestingly at 135 Main St., the street where many of the Douglas relatives also lived!
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Lodger, I do have a few other family records for you to search, if you have the time.
John Brownlie/Mary Downie
William Lyle/Anne Brownlie
And
Alexander Douglas/ Elizabeth Burns
John Douglas/Catherine Brown
Michael Buckham/Margaret Douglas
Robert Douglas/Agnes Young
I'm hoping this completes my search. Many thanks.
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Hello Teya,
These are my findings from your request of April 16th.
The negative ones first >:(
John Brownlie & Mary Downie. No records of this couple in the MI's, Cambusnethan burial registers, Baptism registers of either Wishawtown Relief Church or Bonkle United Presbyterian Church.
The same for -
Alexander Douglas & Elizabeth Burns.
John Douglas & Catherine Brown.
Michael Buckham & Margaret Douglas.
For Robert Douglas & Agnes Young, I have already given you the interment details of their daughter Elizabeth Allan at the bottom of page 36 and asked if you recognised this family but, you didn't confirm it. I have already posted the interment details of Robert & Agnes' son, Robert Douglas who died in 1912, this is on page 39.
Carrying on from Elizabeth Allan I found the following two children of hers.
ROBERT DOUGLAS ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 4 years.
Parents - William Allan & Elizabeth Douglas.
Interred in the old churchyard on 28th October 1862.
CATHERINE ALLAN, Wishaw, aged 7 years.
Parents - William Allan & Elizabeth Douglas.
Interred in the old churchyard 3rd August 1874.
The following three baptism entries are from Wishawtown Relief church baptism register.
MARY, 2nd child of Robert Douglas, weaver, Low Wishaw & Agnes Young.
Born 27th July & baptised 18th August 1833 by Rev P. Brown.
ROBERT, 3rd child of Robert Douglas, weaver, Low Wishaw & Agnes Young.
Born 5th February & baptised 18th March 1838 by Rev P. Brown.
JAMES, 4th child of Robert Douglas, weaver, Low Wishaw & Agnes Young.
Born 29th December 1840 & baptised 24th January 1841 by Rev P. Brown.
More to follow.
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Teya, this is the second part of my findings for the April 16th request.
William Lyle and Ann Brownlie.
There is a good clear picture of their headstone which needs no transcription.
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The Lyle family plot was owned by William Lyle & Ann Brownlie and subsequently by Robert Lyle & Margaret Baillie.
Details from the plot book (Only begins at 1880)
All dates are of interment.
In the Centre lair -
WILLIAM LYLE, aged 70 years. 12th December 1885.
ANN LYLE, aged 79 years. 11th February 1893.
In the North lair -
ANN LYLE, aged 73 years. 4th December 1879.
ANN MURRAY, aged 40 years. 15th April 1880.
ARCHIBALD ROSS, aged 6 months. 15th January 1884.
From the Day Book of interments -
ANN LYLE, housekeeper, Motherwell, aged 73 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Lyle & Ann Brownlie.
Interred in the old churchyard, 4th December 1879.
ANN MURRAY, housewife, Glasgow, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - William Lyle & Ann Strang.
Interred in the old churchyard, 15th April 1880.
SARAH G. ROSS, housewife, Wishaw, aged 46 years, married.
Parents - William Lyle & Ann G. Strang.
Interred in the new cemetery, section E 707. 12th January 1899.
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Teya, here are the details for Robert Muirhead & Lydia Lithgow.
There were two stones on this plot, I only have a picture of one of them, the other may have been damaged, I don't know. The picture is of the older of the two and is difficult to decipher, it is very worn, as you can see.
The best I can do is -
"Mary Weir wife of Robert Muirhead died 21st February 1847 in the 23rd year of her age. William Muirhead their son died 17th October ....... aged ...... ".
the inscription for other stone is -
"William Muirhead died 8th May 1914. His wife died 24th March 1927". (no mention of her name but it's in the Plot Book below).
The records state that the plot was owned by Mary Weir but, I'd take this with a big pinch of salt.
The details from the Plot Book (only from 1879).
In the South lair -
WILLIAM MUIRHEAD, aged 36 years. 11th May 1914.
JANE MUIRHEAD, aged 70 years. 26th March 1927.
In the Centre lair -
LYDIA MUIRHEAD, aged 64 years. 11th February 1886.
EMILY MUIRHEAD, aged 24 years. 2nd November 1891.
EDWARD FORD, aged 46 years. 2nd March 1892.
In the North lair -
ROBERT MUIRHEAD, aged 21 years. 29th January 1883.
ROBERT MUIRHEAD, aged 80 years. 13th March 1900.
Information taken from the Day Book of interments -
MARGARET MUIRHEAD, Wishaw, aged 3 years.
Parents - Robert Muirhead & Lydia Lithgow.
Interred in the old churchyard, 2nd December 1863.
STILLBORN MALE MUIRHEAD. Wishaw.
Parents - Robert Muirhead & Lydia Lithgow.
Interred in the old churchyard, 23rd May 1868.
ANDREW MUIRHEAD, Wishaw, aged 10 months.
Parents - Robert Muirhead & Lydia Lithgow.
Interred in the old churchyard, 17th March 1871.
WILLIAM MUIRHEAD, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 56 years, married.
Parents Robert Muirhead & Lydia Lithgow.
Interred in the old churchyard, 11th May 1914.
Finally, here's one I think I missed earlier!
ROBERT MUIRHEAD, Wishaw, aged 8 months.
Parents - David Muirhead & Isa Hamilton.
Interred in the old churchyard, 20th April 1875.
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Hi Lodger,
I'd appreciate any further details you have for:
WHITE, Robert 1854
And, if you have time (the ones below are 'long shots' so no rush):
GARDNER, McDONALD & HADDOW
HADDOW & MILLER
STEEL & HADDOW
Many thanks,
Bella
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Hi Bella,
The 1st query, White.
According to the Plot Book, it was owned by William White and Joseph Clark.
Interred in the plot are the names Clark and Armstrong.
Does this ring any bells?
The stone inscription reads -
"1854 Erected by William White in memory of his brother Robert......" rest has worn away, sorry.
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Thank you for pointing out an issue with Robert Douglas and Agnes Young entry. I discovered I made a separate entry causing slight confusion on my end. Now all fixed up and yes they are part of my Douglas family. Robert Douglas (married to Agnes Young) is the youngest son of Robert Douglas and Elisabeth Brounlee.
The William Lyle family in the Centre lair, Wm 70 yrs and Ann 79 might be married with William being the son of William Lyle and Anne Brounlie. More work needed here. In the north lair - the second Ann Lyle is daughter of Wm Lyle and Anne Brounlie. Ann Murray and Archibald Ross might be grandchildren to Lyle/Brounlie. More work needed here!
So far you’ve managed to connect all these folk with my gang. Fantastic!
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Thanks Lodger. Clark and Armstrong don't ring any bells, unfortunately. I wondered whether Robert might turn out to be the brother of 'my' William White.
Bella
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In regard to Elizabeth T. Muirhead, I suspect it's an error and this should read Isabella T. Muirhead. According to Ard, she was buried Feb. 11, 1878. Is the burial near the Robert Douglas clan?
Isabella's infant daughter Elizabeth Douglas Muirhead also died in 1878, (MUIRHEAD ELIZABETH DOUGLAS, 0 (mother's ms HAMILTON) F 1878 628 / 244 CAMBUSNETHAN) so both mother and daughter died the same year - perhaps they were even buried at the same time and in the record the names of Isabella and Elizabeth were accidentally were conflated to create a single name!)
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Isabella's infant daughter Elizabeth Douglas Muirhead also died in 1878, (MUIRHEAD ELIZABETH DOUGLAS, 0 (mother's ms HAMILTON) F 1878 628 / 244 CAMBUSNETHAN) so both mother and daughter died the same year - perhaps they were even buried at the same time and in the record the names of Isabella and Elizabeth were accidentally were conflated to create a single name!)
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ELIZABETH D. MUIRHEAD, child, Wishaw, aged 6 months.
Parents - David Muirhead & Isabella T. Hamilton.
Interred in the old churchyard on 30th July 1878.
I did see this entry but the mother's name I was looking for was Elizabeth, so I discounted it! Sorry.
Isabella was buried 11th February 1878, so she probably died during or shortly after the birth.