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Title: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Tea Time on Tuesday 28 June 11 15:44 BST (UK)
I'm looking for any information regarding the Bailey family of Dawley, especially Thomas Bailey, Old Park, Dawley, (born about 1802), his son Richard, and siblings/wifes of both. Basically, anything connected to these two persons.
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Monday 11 July 11 02:11 BST (UK)
Hi

I've found 2 possible pieces of info re the family in censuses, there is a discrepancy with dates/ages, though this can happen:

1851 Thomas Bailey 51 (born 1801), living at Dawley with son Richard 14 - also daughter Sarah Ann and son-in-law living there.

1871 Thomas 64 (this Thomas was born about 1807 here), though living at Old Park, Dawley with son Richard 34 and his wife Jemima and their offspring:
Enoch, Mark and Margaret
2 other children William and Abraham listed as Thomas' offspring, but that could be a misprint.

1861 nothing concrete in the censuses

Other info:

There is a Richard Bailey b. 1837 (Apr) parents Thomas Bailey and Margaret.
Richard Married Jemima Guy in 1859 in Wellington, Shropshire.

I found 2 marriages for Thomas Bailey to a Margaret:
1826 Madeley (this is not unusual for Ironbridge, Dawley etc as Madeley is the main Parish and dreadful to research too) to Margaret Smith April 1826 and Upton Magna to Margaret Mathers May 1830.

Hope this gives you a start.

If you need any more, just ask.

Regards
Geoff

Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Tea Time on Monday 11 July 11 17:21 BST (UK)
Thanks for the offer. I probably will have more questions. the name Bailey in this area seems to be a synonym for minefield!

From what I have found out, this information is spot on. My research so far tells me that Thomas did indeed marry a Margaret Smith, and that richards first wife was a Jemima Guy.

The big problem that I have at present is finding siblings to these two Baileys.
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Monday 11 July 11 22:49 BST (UK)
No Problem, I'll have a look later...

Geoff
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Tuesday 12 July 11 04:39 BST (UK)
Hi

Have found some siblings of Richard, son of Thomas Bailey and Margaret:
Jane b Jan 1830
Sarah Ann b May 1831. M. 1851 Wellington to Beriah Baugh
Jane Helen b Jan 1834
Richard b Apr 1837

Margaret (Smith or Mather) wife of Thomas b. 1808

I still cannot find any info re the 1841 census, which would be invaluable, to confirm the above and possibly Margaret (mother) was still around. I have found a Margaret Bailey d. 1843 in Madeley Shropshire, Madeley is a generic parish area which probably includes Dawley.

Hope this is helpful in your search for now.

Do keep in touch...

Geoff
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Liz_in_Sussex on Thursday 14 July 11 13:16 BST (UK)
Hi,

My 3xG Grandmother was a Sophia BAILEY who was born around 1805 in Dawley Magna.  Possibly the daughter of John and Susannah Bailey, she married William Hayward (though I can find no record of this) and had at least 6 children with him.

Is there any link to your Thomas BAILEY?  Could he be Sophia's brother or maybe a cousin?

Thanks,  ;D
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Tea Time on Thursday 14 July 11 15:12 BST (UK)
As regards Richard Bailey, the four siblings that horse000 posted are the only ones that I have found/confirmed so far. However, I would expect that there would be more.

As regards his father, Thomas Bailey b. abt. 1802, I have not found a single sibling so far. Again, I expect that there were some. The time frame would fit for Sophia as being of this generation, so there is the first possibility.

The father of Thomas was a George Bailey, b. abt 1770. This gives a second possibility that Sophia was an offspring of one of his siblings.

Baileys in that area are quite numerous, and its proving to be a minefield finding out who is related to who! Yesterday, I checked through quite a few Dawley/Madeley Baileys, without any success whatsoever. Each one belonged to a different branch of the family!
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Liz_in_Sussex on Thursday 14 July 11 19:52 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

It sounds like it could be quite tricky finding out who Sophia really was!  I will watch this thread with interest!

 ;D
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: hillwalkersue on Friday 15 July 11 13:59 BST (UK)
HI,

ref one of the notes above - Dawley & Madeley parishes have always been separate and the registers of both go way back.

Sue
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Friday 15 July 11 16:33 BST (UK)
Hi Sue

I quite agree, as does Ironbbridge etc. But my generalisation refers mainly to searches in my experience, as you are probably aware there is very little transcribed info for that those areas. Some of my relatives were born in Ironbridge for example, but the entries on some documents are headed with the parish of Madeley, though I'm sure there will be exceptions.

Geoff

Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Saturday 16 July 11 04:50 BST (UK)
Hi

Hope I'm not getting bogged down here...

I have found a George Bailey b 1776 abt and a Jane b 1780 abt with the following offspring:

Thomas b Aug 1802
Ann Mar b 1807
Mary b 1808
William b 1810
Zella b 1812

They are all born in Dawley including parents and are (IGI) submitted records only.

I'm wondering if there are any other surnames in Dawley!!!

I checked out Zella because of the name, I found a Priscilla Zella Martin, nee Bailey m 1833 abt (submitted info only) to Thomas Martin, though the 1851 census shows them with 9 children. They are on all other censuses up to 1881, 1861 being interesting reading. Phew, some family, hope it's correct!

Unfortunately there are too many issues associated with Sophia Bailey without more info.

Geoff



Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Tea Time on Saturday 16 July 11 16:57 BST (UK)
Once again horse000, thanks for your efforts. The Jane that married George is probably a Jane Dawley, although I need to confirm this to be sure.

Referring to an earlier post, one of the big problems that I have is the geography of the area. I've only ever spent two nights in Shropshire in my entire life! For me, Dawley, Madely etc are one and the same. It would be nice if someone could explain the area in a way that I could understand.

On the same tack, one other thing. I'm under the impression that county borders were changed somewhere around the mid-1800's. Would these have affected the area in any way?
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Saturday 16 July 11 17:24 BST (UK)
Hi

I've never actually been there myself as my roots are in Hull, though my ancestors are from the Dawley, Ironbridge and Madeley areas, I use a map for my use and I've put a link on my site. Hit the little sphere on the left of this post and then hit maps when you get there.

Geoff
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: horse000 on Saturday 16 July 11 18:16 BST (UK)
Hi

There may be a case for Jane Powell b abt 1779/80 submitted (IGI).

The 1861 census shows a large number of Powell's and Martin's and close neighbours Bailey...

I may just watch this thread now, there is probably enough info to get selected certificates.

Geoff
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: hillwalkersue on Monday 18 July 11 14:03 BST (UK)
Hi, just had a thought - if they were in the Old park area of Dawley, try the registers of St Leonards Church, Malinslee.
 I once researched for a friend the Baughs in that area and they were largely at St Leonards.

Sue
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: martin mosley on Thursday 19 July 12 15:58 BST (UK)
My 3x G Grandmother was Susannah Bailey who married Richard Pugh in Dawley 1830. The 1851 Census suggests her birth in Dawley around 1803.

Does she connect to any of the above or does anyone have her baptism?
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Liz_in_Sussex on Thursday 19 July 12 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi Martin,

The short answer is - I have no idea!  Sorry!  This branch of the family still have me very confused even after a visit to Shrewsbury and time spent trawling through the registers.

What I do know though is that my Sophia Bailey was mother of William Hayward, the half brother of my 2xG Grandfather Richard Hayward.  Richard's mother was Mary Anne Evans.  Mary Anne appears to have died in 1838 - I found her as witness to marriages in the years prior to her death.  I cannot find a record of marriage between William Hayward (senior) and Sophia Bailey but I have William's birth certificate (1846) and it shows Sophia as mother - she also appears on the 1841 census as wife of William and apparent mother to his other children which she couldn't have been.

As others have said the Baileys were numerous in this area and your Sophia may well be related - I wish you luck in tracking her down!

Liz  :o
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: sharmar on Friday 20 July 12 16:04 BST (UK)
I have a Sarah Ann Bailey (b 1854 in Dawley d aft 1881) marrying in 1873 to my gr gr uncle John Woodvine b1850.  She was the daughter of John Bailey b 1819 in Dawley and Eliza ?.  John's father was Benjamin Bailey b abt 1790 also of Dawley marrying Ann Deakin in 1812, I have other details if there is a connect to your Bailey's.
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: hillwalkersue on Monday 17 December 12 13:58 GMT (UK)
The Bailey families, where living in Old Park, probably would be found in the registers of St Leonard's, Malinslee (from 1832).
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Ellawin on Wednesday 19 December 12 10:09 GMT (UK)
Hey guys,

I live opposite St Leonard's, and often walk the dog round the graveyard. I'll have a nosey at the graves and see if I can spot any names mentioned here?

There are quite a few family ones, so may be useful?

Cate
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Ellawin on Monday 31 December 12 12:38 GMT (UK)
So far the only Baileys i have found are:

Mark Bailey
Nov 23rd 1849 - Nov 5th 1935
& his wife
Jane Bailey
July 12th 1940 aged 80 years

But theres plenty more i havent seen
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Scottm2916 on Friday 18 November 16 09:35 GMT (UK)
Dear all,

I realise this is an old thread but I have been researching my family tree and have traced my roots back to Thomas Martin and Priscilla Zella Martin (ne Bailey). I've used ancestory.co.uk and it suggests that Thomas was a coal miner however I can't seem to find out much else other than that both died in Madeley. If anyone knows anymore about this family please contact me, also if anyone knows where they are buried and who their parents are I would be interested in going back further.

Thank you


P.s the line of my family tree continues with their son John Martin, the family eventually ended up in West Bromwich and then finally returned to Shropshire with my father Peter Martin:)
Title: Re: BAILEY family, Dawley.
Post by: Liz_in_Sussex on Sunday 20 November 16 13:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Scottm2916,

Welcome to Rootschat!

Sophia Bailey is (on paper at least) my 3xGGmother but I have never been able to find out much about her.  She was the second wife of William Hayward and when I realised this I thought I was getting somewhere with regard to the various relationships.

However, since I first posted here about her, my Dad has had his Y-DNA tested and this certainly threw the cat among the pigeons! 

He is not related to a couple of other male direct line descendants of William Hayward who should be his 2nd / 3rd cousins.  They are related to each other though, and so we are not sure where the illegitimacy is on our tree - either Sophia Bailey had my 2xGGfather before / whilst married to WH or the generation after that may in fact not really be Haywards.

None of this helps you - I'm sorry - but perhaps explains my confusion / frustration with my Shropshire / West Bromwich ancestors!  I imagine it might be the same Baileys though given the Shropshire / West Brom connection.

Good luck,

Liz