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I was wondering where I could trace records of an Abel Seed b 0ctober 1852 in Warrington. He is listed in the 1881 census as living at 13 Bridgewater Street, Warrington with his wife Elizabeth and children William and Esther and his profession/trade is listed as Police Constable. Is there somewhere I can trace his record in the constabulary?
Thanking you in anticipation.
Brian Carter.
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Police records search; This database provides a list of names of police officers, particularly those who served with the Lancashire County Constabulary from the force's inception in 1840 up to 1925.
See http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/record_office/records/policesearch.asp
Stan
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I was wondering where I could trace records of an Abel Seed b 0ctober 1852 in Warrington. He is listed in the 1881 census as living at 13 Bridgewater Street, Warrington with his wife Elizabeth and children William and Esther Brian Carter.
1881 the children are William age 6 and Anne age 2
can't see Esther??
Suz
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Hi Suzard, yes I know it says Anne aged 2 on the 1881 census, but she was christened Esther Anne in 1878 and was my Grand Aunt. Whether this was down to mistranscribing (a common fault) or laziness I know not, but she was Esther to all the family.
Brian Carter.
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Hi Stan. Thanks for the link, but there is no Abel Seed listed for the years listed (1840-1925). Any other ideas?
Brian Carter.
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Hi Suzard, yes I know it says Anne aged 2 on the 1881 census, but she was christened Esther Anne in 1878 and was my Grand Aunt. Whether this was down to mistranscribing (a common fault) or laziness I know not, but she was Esther to all the family.
Brian Carter.
Ithought you were going to post the 1878 birth
I think you will find Esther Annie Seed 1878 died in infancy
Birth reg
Esther Annie Seed
Mar qtr 1878
Warrington
8c 113
Death reg
Esther Annie Seed
age 0
Mar qtr 1878
Warrington
8c 199
there is however a birth reg
Esther Annie Seed
Mar qtr 1879
Warrington
8c 224
maybe the 1878 Esther Annie was of the same parents -she died and so the next daughter was named Esther Annie - they could have used her middle name because of this.
Suz
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Hi Stan. Thanks for the link, but there is no Abel Seed listed for the years listed (1840-1925). Any other ideas?
Brian Carter.
Have you checked Abel Seed in other census ??
He only seems to have been a police constable in 1881 census??
In later census he is a wire cleaner
So that narrows the timescale
Have you any of the children's birth certs - his occupation on those and on his marriage cert could narrow the timescale more
Suz
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FreeBMD have this possible death listed:
Death Registration: Second Quarter 1920
SEED Abel - Age 67 - Warrington - Vol 8c - Page 263
It may well be worth contacting the following:
The Curator
The Museum of Policing in Cheshire
County Police Office
Arpley Street
Warrington WA1 1LQ
Tel: 01244 615803
email: Curator@MuseumofPolicinginCheshire.org.uk
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Thanks for all the replies. I have no access to later censuses, so I'm not sure of his profession in later years. That's a strange career move from Constable to Wire Cleaner unless he was invalided out of the force for some reason. I will email the curator of The Policing in Cheshire Museum and see if he can shed any light on the matter.
With regard to Esther Annie Seed, thank you Suzard for pointing out my mistake, and I think you are possibly right on the death of the 1st daughter and renaming of the 2nd.
Once again,thanks to all.
Brian Carter.
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1891
129 Howard St
Warrington Lancs
Abell Seed Head M 37 Wire Drawer's labourer Burntwood Lancs
Elizabeth wife 36 Croft lancs
Ernest C son 9 Warrington
Jessie daughter Sankey lancs
Ethel daughter 3 Sankey Lancs
Maud M daughter 1 Sankey
RG12 3074 63 41
1901
129 Plumpton St Warrington Lancs
Abel Seed head M 48 Wire Cleaner
Elizabeth wife 47
Ernest son 19 Waterman on Flat
Jessie daughter 16 Machinist sewing
Ethel daughter 13
Maude daughter 11
Hilda daughter 7
all b Warrington
RG13 3578 74 25
1891 Esther Annie is with her Grandparents
The Yard Burntwood Lancs
Peter Whittle head M 66 Gamekeeper Croft Lancs
Esther wife 66 Goldborne Lancs
Esther A Seed granddaughter 12 Warrington Lancs
RG12 3073 25 7
1901 she was in service
Suz
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Hi Suzard. Thanks for the Census information, that should keep me busy for a while. I emailed the Curator of the Policing In Cheshire Museum and he emailed me back today to say that although they hold Abel Seed's service records, they have no marriage details or even a photograph of him, but can supply me with a photo of Warrington Police Station where he would have served. Although he did clear up one mystery by saying that he had been dismissed from the service. For what I will not discover until I receive his service record.
This is what makes tracing your family tree fascinating for me, all the skeletons you dig up!
Once again, thank you.
Brian Carter.
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Hi Abel seed was my great great grandfather I am descended through his daughter Hilda
Becky bishop
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Hi Becky
Thanks for your reply, do you have an Ancestry account? If so I will contact you on there and we can share information on our Seed family connection.
Regards
Brian Carter.