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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Ratty2 on Thursday 21 July 11 01:11 BST (UK)
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John McKean (b1802) and Catherine Ramage had 8 children. William (b1837 at Edinburgh) migrated to Australia in 1857 and became a successful baker and farmer. Also in 1857 his brother Joseph migrated to Victoria Australia. Family memory has then in a fight. William stayed, but Joseph went off. Looking for further clues to find Joseph (have plenty on William). If you know Joseph please ask him to call as his family is worried about him. Cheers
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Hi ratty2,
I think you have the message mixed up a bit, if Joseph was in Australia in 1857 he will not be alive, can you please define you message more clearly as to what you require. Do you think he came back to Edinburgh ?.
Cheers.
Archie.
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Possible sightings of him include two marriages in NSW (1860-1870s), and he may possibly have gone to Otago, NZ 1860s. No real idea where he went; but should you find a record which might indicate his subsequent events, please let us know. He may have returned home to Scotland or he may have simply vanished. Ta
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Just adding the link to the Australian post for background www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,545210.0.html
Monica :)
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Hi ratty2,
is this your family ? he could have changed his name or changed the place of birth if he came back to Scotland, wait and see if the link Monica sent it to comes up with anything.
1841 Census
John Mckean 35
Catharine Mckean 35
James Mckean 2
Peter Mckean 7
Alexander Mckean 5
William Mckean 2
Joseph Mckean 2m
Robert Mckean 30
1851 Census
Name Age
John Mckean 47
Cath Mckean 46
James Mckean 19
Peter Mckean 17
Wm Mckean 12
Joseph Mckean10
Jane Mckean 8
Agnes Mckean 6
Robert Mckean 4
Cheers.
Archie.
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Thanks Templar75, yes these are the ones. I notice Alexander is missing from the 1851 Census - do you happen to have access to deaths between 1841 and 1851 for Alexander, please? David
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Hi David,
sorry but I don't have access to deaths you would really need to go to Scotlands People for that, it costs £7.00 for 30 credits if the search comes up with anything it will cost 1 credit to view and 5 credits to download.
Cheers.
Archie.
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Hi Ratty2. I'm Ken McKean from Warrnambool, Victoria, Australia. John and Catherine (Ramage)McKean were my Great, Great, Great Grandparents and as you said they had a lot of children. Joseph was my Great, Great Grandfather William McKean's brother. You guys probably know more about Joseph than I do, but yes I heard the three brothers William, Joseph and Peter all came over in 1857 for the Goldrush. William had a General Store in Linton (near Ballarat, Victoria, Australia) for a while (he later came down here to the Western District and died in Cobden. He Joseph and Peter all had a blue and went their separate ways. Don't know where Joseph or Peter went, but when I went to a McKean Family reunion years ago, someone said he or Peter might have went to Moe, as there are a lot of McKean's there. Robert a younger brother came to Australia a little later and settled in Melbourne where he later became a councillor in Carlton. He lived at 816 Swanston Street, Carlton (Melbourne, Victoria). There's also a street named after him (McKean Street of course) in Carlton. Anyway I know a bit more, so if anyone wants to know more let me know. I would also like to know more about Joseph. Cheers. Ken McKean
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Hi Ken
I am a descendant of William McKean whose brother Joseph was your ancestor. I am writing a family history about the McKean - McRae families from Port Campbell and would be very interested to learn more about Joseph. I have heard this rumour about a fight - any more details?
Hope to hear
Alison
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:D That's brilliant. I'll pass it on to Rod.
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Who is Rod? I thought it was Ken who enquirer?
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Rod is my neighbour, related to this Joseph and asked me to help him find out.
Cheers
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I think Joseph came to Australia in 1857 on a ship called the David G. Fleming. . He came a month before ny great grandfather William McKean. And that seems odd.
No one can find evidence of where he went. I don't know the basis for the story of a fight, but something must have happened. His younger brother Robert who died in 1927 was a wealthy man and he left money to most family members but no mention of Joseph.
I would like to hear more.
Alison
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Hi,
I am a descendant of Jane McKean -
McKean, Jane
b. 14 Nov 1842
Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
d. 1889
Linton, Victoria
e. Burial
m. McMillan, David
1864
Happy Valley, Victoria, Australia
Jane is daughter of John McKean and Catherine Ramage. Not sure where I got this info from but here it is. Might be worth checking.
Descendants of :
Peter McKean
Generation 1
1. Peter McKean was born 06 Nov 1833 in Edingburgh, Scotland and died 21 Dec 1899 in Colac, Victoria. He married Martha Leigo 08 Oct 1862 in Enfield, Victoria. She was born 04 Jun 1839 in Haddingtonshire, Scotland and died 11 May 1897 in Colac, Victoria.
Other events in the life of Peter McKean
Burial:
Children of Peter McKean and Martha Leigo:
i. 2. Catherine Elizabeth McKean was born 11 Aug 1863 in Happy Valley, Vic
ii. 3. Agnes Jan McKean was born 1865 in Happy Valley, Vic
iii. 4. William Henry McKean was born 17 Jul 1867 in Ballarat, Vic and died 06 Aug 1908
iv. John Joseph McKean was born 21 Aug 1870 in Ballarat, Vic and died 06 Aug 1916 in France
v. 5. Robert Alex McKean was born 21 Mar 1873 in Ballarat, Vic
vi. 6. Martha Ellen McKean was born 22 May 1876 in Ballarat, Vic
vii. 7. Jessie Fulton McKean was born 25 Jan 1879 in Colac, Vic
Generation 2
2. Catherine Elizabeth McKean was born 11 Aug 1863 in Happy Valley, Vic. She married Albert Hearn 08 May 1894 in Carlton, Victoria.
Other events in the life of Catherine Elizabeth McKean
Burial:
Children of Catherine Elizabeth McKean and Albert Hearn:
i. Colin William Hearn
ii. Lorna Hearn
iii. Alison Jean Hearn was born 06 Apr 1895
3. Agnes Jan McKean was born 1865 in Happy Valley, Vic. She married na0 Parkes 15 Jan 1891 in Colac, Victoria.
Other events in the life of Agnes Jan McKean
Burial:
4. William Henry McKean was born 17 Jul 1867 in Ballarat, Vic and died 06 Aug 1908. He married Edith Elizabeth UNKNOWN 09 Aug 1890 in Geelong, Victoria. She died 27 Jan 1950 in East Malvern, Victoria.
Other events in the life of William Henry McKean
Burial:
Children of William Henry McKean and Edith Elizabeth UNKNOWN:
i. Ida Leigo McKean
ii. 8. Douglas Leonard McKean died Oct 1991
iii. 9. Lillian Edith McKean was born 12 Feb 1892 in Colac, Victoria and died 25 Jun 1979
iv. 10. Robert William McKean was born 02 Jan 1894 and died 08 Jan 1960
5. Robert Alex McKean was born 21 Mar 1873 in Ballarat, Vic. He married na0 Thompson 05 Aug 1914 in Johannesburg, Sth Africa.
Other events in the life of Robert Alex McKean
Burial:
6. Martha Ellen McKean was born 22 May 1876 in Ballarat, Vic. She married na0 Harsant 20 Feb 1905 in Durban, Sth Africa.
Other events in the life of Martha Ellen McKean
Burial:
7. Jessie Fulton McKean was born 25 Jan 1879 in Colac, Vic. She married na0 Erlandson.
Other events in the life of Jessie Fulton McKean
Burial:
Generation 3
8. Douglas Leonard McKean died Oct 1991. He married na0 Cox.
9. Lillian Edith McKean was born 12 Feb 1892 in Colac, Victoria and died 25 Jun 1979. She married William David Wheal 03 Jan 1915. He was born 12 Apr 1878 in Ballarat, Vic and died 12 Sep 1950.
10. Robert William McKean was born 02 Jan 1894 and died 08 Jan 1960. He married na0 Chandler.
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Mandy McParland, sorry for some reason I cannot answer you via ancestry.com
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Hi I don't have any information of Joseph but am searching for information on William. I think he may have been my GGG Grandfather. As I am also a McKean and my family also lived in Warrnambool.
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Hi Alison and Mandy,
Thanks for the info on Peter Mandy. I don't know what the fight was about either. If either of you want to contact me look me up on Facebook under Kenneth Ian McKean.
Cheers :)
Ken