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Hello, am new here, and am looking for any information on Bridget Farrell, daughter of William and Julia (nee Dolan), sister of Bernard Farrell, William Farrell, Jane, Julia, Julia. Bridget is on 1901 census at North Road, Fairgate, Louth age 16.
I am particularly looking for birth information - born 31 January, or marriage banns. And any information on parents or siblings.
Any help or information would be much appreciated. Thanks in anticipation. :)
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Is this your Bridget with her family on the 1901 census ?
Farrell household - 1901 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Fair_Gate/North_Road_East/1567195/)
Based on her age in 1901 Bridget's year of birth would be about 1885, so the best place to start the search is in Civil Records ...
this BMD Index reference looks like the best match :
Name: Bridget Farrell
Registration district: Drogheda
Event type: Birth
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1885
Volume : 2 / Page : 452
The next closest match is a Bridget Farrell born in the same district, in the Oct-Dec quarter of 1884 - volume 2 / page 409
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Birth Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433041.0.html)
Shane
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Thanks for your reply Shane.
The link to the 1901 census is the Bridget that I found too, and is hopefully the right one.
Sorry to be a bit thick, but I have not done this before. From the information you have sent, can I tell whether the birth date was 31 January (which I know is correct), or do I have to order a birth certificate and see if it is her.
Also is there any way that I can access parish records of marriage banns for her. I think that she may have left Drogheda immediately before, or shortly after a brief marriage.
Thanks
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You have to order the cert to see the additional details, like date of birth, father's occupation, place of birth, parents names etc
I dont know details of any RC Marriage Banns records, but you could search for a civil marriage on the BMD Index - see the link in the Introduction Topic.
Have you found Bridget on the 1911 census ?
Shane
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She isn't on the 1911 census in Drogheda although her family still are.
I believe that she left for England between 1901 and 1911, but I have no idea when.
I will try to find a marriage in Ireland for her, as you suggest.
Thanks,
Alex
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there are quite a few Bridget Farrell marriages in Ireland between 1901 and 1911 - see : link (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3ABridget~%20%2Bsurname%3AFarrell~%20%2Bany_year%3A1901-1911~&collection_id=1408347&marriage_place0=5)
just one in the Drogheda registration district... might be worth a gamble if you think she married in the area to see if there's a match to her father's name, occupation etc
Name: Bridget Farrell
Registration District: Drogheda
event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1910
Volume : 2 / Page : 411
see :
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Hi Shane,
Thanks for the marriage info, it will be worthwhile checking as it is the only one in Drogheda for that name. The date seems a little late, as I think she may have been in England for at least part of 1910. I have looked at the other marriages and Dublin seems the only other possibility, but there are so many of them over such a long period. I think she lived in Dan Laoghaire for a short time. Apologies if this is a very stupid question, but is that in 'Dublin'
It would help if I knew when she left Ireland, are there any records of people moving from Ireland to England at this time?
Regards
Alex
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Dún Laoghaire (formerly Kingstown) is in south county Dublin, about 12km (c7 miles) south east of the city centre.
The registration district which covers it is Rathdown.
There are no records of people travelling between England and Ireland. Before Independence in 1922 Ireland was part of the UK, and after this we were part of a free-travel area, so no travel document were required.
Shane
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I have received the birth certificate suggested for Bridget Farrell. The details tie into the 1901 census record. However the older member of the family are unconvinced that it is our relative.
The date of birth is 25th rather than 31st January, (registered on 30th), and she celebrated her birthday on the 31st all her life. On her marriage certificate she said that her father was a brewer, this man is a labourer.
Their final 'objection' is that whilst she said that her elder sister was born in Drogheda, she said she was born in Dan Laoghaire. (I could not find a Bridget Farrell there in the 1901 census).
On a positive note the names of the parents seem correct, surely there couldn't be another Bridget Farrell of a similar age with those parent names?
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The birth cert you have sound to me like a good match to your clues and the family mentioned on the census returns. Whilst there were be other Bridget Farrell's born around the same time, the chances that would also have parents William Farrell and Julia Dolan would seem to be remote to me.
All the the family shown on the 1901 return list their place of as Drogheda, so no evidence of a Co. Dublin connection there.
Where did the details about Julia's maiden name come from ?
To check the detail about William's occupation you could try a search for later details i.e. 1911 census return, birth certs for other children etc Maybe he changed occupation after Bridget left for England ?
It's possible that as a child Bridget was told the incorrect date for her birthday by her parents ...
Ages and dates were not as critical to people at that time, and quite a few give their age incorrectly on the census returns.
Shane
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Hi Shane,
The details of Julia's maiden name were given to my mum by Bridget herself, and are also on Bridget's marriage certificate.
William is not on the 1911 census return in Drogheda, although there is a note on the actual census to say that he has left the family home and that his whereabouts are unknown. Perhaps he did move house and job after she left home.
Bridget told her family he worked for Guiness, and she took his lunch by train when he worked on Sunday. This seems to support a Dublin/Dan Laoghaire connection. I may need to look at this again, as I could not seem to find him originally.
I know there were 8 children, 2 boys and 6 girls, including Bridget. I know four of their names, from Bridget's conversations with family. Should I look for a marriage certificate first? What is the best way to find out all the names - family search?
Alex
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Guinness have an archive containing many employee records - might be worth check to see if you William is included. There's a link somewhere here on RootsChat - I'll have a look for it..
The Guinness brewery is located at James's St. in Dublin city centre, and not that close to Dún Laoghaire. A commute by train might have been possible between Drogheda and Dublin.. it's about 50km (c30 miles), although a bit of a walk from the station to James Street.
There's no simple way to find the other children - it's just a case of searching for possible matches on the BMD Index and ordering the certs. Might not be easy with a common surname like Farrell to find the right records.
Shane
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Thanks Shane,
I tried the Guiness archive last year without luck, and it does sound from what you say that Dan Laoghaire is too far from Dublin to travel, so goodness knows where he got to in 1911. It seems a lot of the stories passed down from family members are, at best, a bit mixed up.
When you say the BMD Index, do you mean the Family Search link you sent me before - sorry to be a bit thick.
Alex
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Maybe he worked in another brewery in, or near, Drogheda ?
Might be worth having another go at finding him on the 1911 census.
the latest link to the Irish BMD index on familyseach is in the Introduction topic.
S.
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I have made some progress in my search for Bridget Farrell. I now have details of her birth, her parents marriage and the births and names of all seven of her siblings. The dates and names fit, except for one. Bridget said she had a sister called Jane, but she must have been christened with a different name, and I dont know which one she might be. I have also found Bridget on the census in 1911 in England.
I am now trying to find information on her father William Farrell. I do not know where he was in 1911, and have scoured all the William Farrells on the Irish census without luck. There is a William Farrell born in Louth in West Derby Liverpool in 1911, staying with a sister and sister in law, but I dont have any info on his siblings to cross check.
I know from his marriage that he was born in 1846 (father Bernard Farrell), but there are no records on Family Search for that date. Can anyone give me any help or advice on how best to find William's birth. If I can get his parents name, I can perhaps look for siblings.
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I am now trying to find information on her father William Farrell.... I do
I know from his marriage that he was born in 1846 (father Bernard Farrell), but there are no records on Family Search for that date. Can anyone give me any help or advice on how best to find William's birth. If I can get his parents name, I can perhaps look for siblings.
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William's birth is before the start of civil birth records in 1864, so you need to search for a church baptism.
The 1901 census shows his place of birth of Drogheda, so the RC parishes in and around the town are the ones to try first.
Your profile doesn't mention where you are located, but by far the best place to access RC parish records is in the National Library in Dublin. They have films of most of the historic registers on microfilm.
Drogheda was split between counties Louth & Meath, so keep in mind when checking parishes. You can view maps of the RC parishes in these counties at : RC Parishes (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/index.htm) (Irish Times)
Transcripts of many Louth and Meath parishes are available on the pay-website at www.rootsireland.ie
Shane
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Hi alexb123, are you still researching Farrells from Drogheda as they seem to be the same Farrells that are on my husbands family tree
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Hi, thank you for your reply. I am still searching for the Farrell's, and have had some luck with the maternal side of the family. I still haven't traced William's birth, so am a bit stuck on that side. I would be very grateful of any information or help, and would be glad to share anything that I have.
Alex
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Great. Our link is through William's son Bernard, born about 1873, and his son Bernard, born about 1900. I've just started looking through the parish records forWilliam's birth as I just have him as approx 1845 (but that's from the census so prob not acurate
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On William and Julia's marriage certificate, it says that William's father was also called Bernard.
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The name has certainly traveled down through the generations, lol. Does the marriage cert give Julia'a parents' names?
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Yes, he was Patrick Dolan they were from Termonfeckin, (Curstown I think.) I will dig it out and send you a copy. I found a marriage for him, his wife was Margaret McQuillan. Julia had a sister also called Margaret.
Do you have any family information about the Farrell siblings other than Bernard, did they stay in Drogheda, did they marry?
Alex
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Hi there...hope you don't mind me...I,m following as I think I have Farrell in my tree too, but not sure, my Catherine Farrell married a john bones... they had daughter Catherine around abt 1845.. thank Shane for the tips 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
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Hi,
I'm afraid I cannot go back that far with the Farrell family. I cannot find a birth for my ancestor William Farrell, but I believe his father was called Bernard Farrell. I'm not sure whether there is a link to your Catherine Farrell, and I think she would be older? Do you know where and when she was born? Alex