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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: HughC on Friday 05 August 11 17:43 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know anything about David McKillop (ca 1728 - 1805) who moved from Glenarm to Larne? He was said to have been 50 years a naval lieutenant, though I think someone must have miscalculated or misunderstood. He was said to have m. a Miss Forbes: I'd like to know who she was. Their son John lived at Ballgarvey House near Ballymena.
Also looking for James McKillop of Glenarm, whose dau. Mary (1770-1826) m. Alexander Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane. The Davisons were a mixture of Presbyterian and C of I, and I think these McKillops may have been too. Were James and David brothers, cousins, or otherwise related?
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Hello Hugh,
I know it's a while since you posted your question but I have only just found it. David McKillop could well have been a Lieutenant for 50 years, in those days you passed your Lieut's certificate then remained at that rank until you got a command, which might never happen. Not like later when promotion was based on sea time and seniority.
I have long known about David McK as he shows up in various Navy lists but didn't know his connection to my McKillop ancestor until I found his name as Lieutenant on the muster lists for HMS Buckingham then HMS Warwick in the 1770s. My ancestor was an AB on Buckingham then moved to Warwick at the same time as David. A short while later my McKillop passed his lieutenants certificate and moved on to HMS Resolution but I am thinking that David was helping another McKillop from the same region get on in the Navy, I have no evidence they were related.
I have a will from Lieutenant Richard McKillop mentioning his brother Lt. John McKillop who I think was the John at Ballygarvey. The will also mentions sisters Peggy and Jane.
I have only just started to look into the Glenarm McKillops so would live to hear about any of them!
Regards.
Bella.
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Ciao, Bella, and welcome to RootsChat. There are many helpful people here.
There's a book The Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy, 1660-1815 by David Syrett and R.L. DiNardo [his spelling, not mine!] (published in Aldershot 1994) which says that David gained his commission on 16 Dec. 1762. He died 9 July 1805, which I make only 42 and a half years, even though I doubt he was still serving at age 77. However, in 1762 he was already over 30, so I suppose that date could be in error.
The two sons I know of are
Lt Richard, of Plymouth; Lt 14 Jan. 1794; d. 8 Dec. 1812; in this case O'Byrne was right that he was 18 years in the rank.
Cdr John, of Ballygarvey House. If you like to post a couple more messages on one or other RootsChat board, you'll qualify as a bona fide member and I'll then be able to send you a personal message with his career and biographical details (assuming you would like them).
I know about the sister Jane as she was my ancestor. Peggy is new to me: can you tell me anything about her?
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Hello Hugh,
No, the numbers don't add up for David do they. I think I would query the date he became a lieutenant as 1762 would imply he was rather old (though you had to be at least 22). I haven't found the actual passing certificate for him, he isn't in Pappalardo's index to passing certs.
Peggy is listed as 'My Sister' along with Jane in Richard McKillop's will. I haven't transcribed the whole thing yet as the PRO scan is not very clear and the handwriting is hard going. Fancy a stab at it?!
I am most interested in any family details of David, Richard and John, I already have their listings from Commissioned Sea Officers and other service histories. My focus is finding out how they knew my ancestor, another John McKillop, who seems to have been sponsored by David to get him into the Navy, then when he drowned rather young Richard leaves his son a significant sum of money in his will. Were they actually related or was this all just a helping hand to 'cousins' from the same town.
A puzzle I have been pondering for 25 years!
Bella.
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Bella,
Your John could well have been a cousin. There was a John, elder of the Presbyterian church in Glenarm in 1750 (according to an article in the Larne Times in 1911). He's the presumed father of James of Glenarm, who in turn is presumed to be the father of Mary (1770-1826) who married Alexander Davison of Knockboy, Broughshane. They are six generations back from me, but I know little about that line.
David was a member of the established Church (C of I, Anglican), but that could have come about because his wife was supposedly of aristocratic stock.
Was your ancestor a member of the crew on Cook's second voyage to the South Seas in 1772-75? The surgeon aboard the Resolution was James Patten, also from Ireland and also in my family tree, though connected "round three corners" (as the Försters would probably have said).
You wouldn't believe how much I've found out in the past 25 years. We may yet discover a connection (or at least some more details).
Hugh
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Hi,
My John was born in or before 1750. The only age I have for him is '21 on joining the ship' shown on the muster roll in 1771. Couldn't find any earlier muster rolls so don't know when he joined. He married in 1777 and had at least 3 children before drowning in 1782.
Sadly it isn't that Resolution....... My heart skipped a beat at the thought he had sailed with Cook but no, another Resolution.
Here's to finding something interesting!
Bella.
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I've sent you a personal message, Bella.
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Hello folks,
I'm not sure if there is a connection to John McKillop, Lieut who was married in Ballygarvey (1928) or not. I'm working backwards from Elizabeth McKillop, born "at sea" who was registered & Baptised in Portsmouth, Hampshire to parents John & Ann McKillop. At some point between 1837 and 1861 John died. That's about the only facts I know for certain.
Puzzled by the fact that Elizabeth was born at sea, I've searched for a naval connection and found John & Ann's marriage announcement in Ballygarvey, 1928. But I have no real certainty that it's the same John & Ann who were parents of Elizabeth. Elizabeth and Ann ended up in Leicester, England so again I remain skeptical of the connection to the Ballygarvey John McKillop. Any thoughts or info anyone can provide is appreciated.
Alex
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Alexander,
You mean 1828, and they were married in Ballymena [announcement in the Belfast News-Letter and also Mormon records]. John died at Ballygarvey House on 6 Mar. 1863, according to naval records, and was supposedly buried at Kirkinriola, but I couldn't find a gravestone when I was there a couple of years ago.
Ann née Dickey apparently died on 23 Jan. 1874 aged 77, which puts her birth in 1796-97. Is said to have been buried with her husband.
I know of only two daughters: Jane (b. 1833-34, d. 1916) who was unmarried and kept house for her unmarried brother Lambert; and Christina (b. 1839-40, d. 1923) who married William Henry.
....... Hugh
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Hi Hugh,
Thanks for the quick reply. And yes, I meant to type 1828. Since the daughters don't line up, I think I may have errantly grafted in the John McKillop from Ballygarvey into my tree. I know my Ann McKillop was born in "Ireland" about 1800-1801 according to the 1861 census where she was 60. I've only picked up her trail in Leicester as a widow and can't figure out how/when she got from Ireland to eventually settle there after her husband, John's death. With Elizabeth's birth at sea, I guess the Royal Navy is a bit far fetched, isn't it?
I'm wondering if you may have any advice on where to look next. All I really have to go on is that my Ann McKillop, wife of John McKillop gave birth at sea. I can't seem to find any passenger listings in Ancestry.com or census/marriage/birth records prior to 1837 when Elizabeth was born. Are there other resources I may be overlooking?
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Please check his grave site in Tickmacrevan Cemetery, Antrim, Northern Ireland :
https://billiongraves.com/grave/David-McKillop/24474443
David McKillop Esq.
Late of Glenarm,
who died on the 9th day of
July 1905,
aged 77 years.
The greater period of his life
was devoted to the Service of his
of his country in the Navy, and having
Retired from that profession, he
became an active Magistrate For
the county of Glenarm.
He died as he lived, respected.
There are 24 McKillop graves in this cemetery, most likely all related
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having a mild interest in Tithes Applotment Books 1823-1837 and knowing some of its failings, ie biased, incomplete etc etc and its simplicity as an record. nevertheless often so useful and also as a link to Griffiths valuation the names below extracted from the work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s index to the individually civil parish
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
I thought it useful to list in case anyone is unaware of its existence
my notes
Glenarm is a village in the civil parish of Tickmacrevan Co Antrim
Ballygarvey House near Ballymena is in the civil parish of Skerry civil parish
also spelt Ballygarvay in the Kirkinriola entries in the http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
arranged by civil parish within the county
McKillop, Danl. Townland: Carrif Murphy Year: 1828 Ardclinis Antrim
McKillup, Willm. Townland: Lumnalary Year: 1828 Ardclinis Antrim
McKillon, R. Townland: Moonanacloigh Year: 1832 Armoy Antrim
McKillop, Alexr. Townland: Legavar Year: 1824 Ballintoy Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Leminighmore Year: 1824 Ballintoy Antrim
McKillop, Alxr. Townland: Maghernahar Year: 1824 Ballintoy Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Barrameen Year: 1831 Culfeightrin Antrim
McKillop, Wm. Townland: Barrameen Year: 1831 Culfeightrin Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Cushendun Year: 1831 Culfeightrin Antrim
McKillop, Archd. Townland : Dunloy Year: 1834 Finvoy Antrim
McKilloff, John Townland: Ballygarvey Year: 1833 Kirkinriola Antrim
McKillop, Robt. Townland: Larne Gardens Year: 1834 Larne Antrim
McKillop, James Townland: Altmore Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Danl. Townland: Ballynahavely Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Michl. Townland: Ballynahavely Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Alexr. Townland: Cloughs Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Danl. Townland: Cloughs Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Denice Townland: Cloughs Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Drumore Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Dunurgan Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Archd. Townland: Falnaglashney Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Archd. Townland: Gartacreegan Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Gartacreegan Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Patk. Townland: Isbane Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Robt. Townland: Isbane Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Patk. Townland: Killughag Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Danl Townland: Nariff Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Patk. Townland: Nockans Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Savanagharry Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Alexr. Townland: Talmacreely Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Olevar Townland: Talmacreely Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Trumra Year: 1826 Layd Antrim
McKillop, Patk. Townland: Carnagall Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Patk. Townland: Corkey Middle Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Widow Townland: Corkey Middle Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Danl. Townland: Drumarinkin Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Jno. Townland: Knockaholled Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Townland: Knockaholled Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Eneas Townland: Moneyneagh Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Ephraim Townland: Moneyneagh Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Hugh Townland: Moneyneagh Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Moneyneagh Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Widow Townland: Moneyneagh Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Archd. Townland: Pharos Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, Denis Townland: Tully Year: 1832 Loughguile Antrim
McKillop, James Townland: Ballyrieard More Year: 1830 Raloo Antrim
McKillop, James Townland: Ballyrieard More Year: 1830 Ramoan Antrim
McKillop, Hugh Townland: Breakough Year: 1825 Skerry Antrim
McKillop, George Townland: Ballyraddy Year: 1832 Tickmacrevan Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Ballyvaddy Year: 1832 Tickmacrevan Antrim
McKillop, Hugh Townland: Gortcarney Year: 1832 Tickmacrevan Antrim
McKillop, John Townland: Gortcarney Year: 1832 Tickmacrevan Antrim
McKillop, Wm. Townland: Gortcarney Year: 1832 Tickmacrevan Antrim
McKillop, Hugh Townland: Tober Wine Street Year: 1832 Tickmacrevan Antrim
McKilpon, James Townland : Ballytyrone Year : 1828 Loughgall Armagh
McKillip, Wm. Townland: Ballykern Year: 1828 Killowen Derry
McKillip, Wm. Townland: Drumaguil Year: 1828 Killowen Derry
McKillip, Neal Townland: Waterside Year: 1828 Killowen Derry
another record I think not mentioned http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx with 4 headings for mckillop
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Thanks for that, Ash6000, and welcome to RootsChat. But David died in 1805!
Does anyone know who his wife was, and what children they had?
McKillops were evidently thick on the ground in Tickmacrevan (and elsewhere).
It's a pity the tithe applotment books (and Griffith's valuation) don't give more details that would help us to establish relationships or ages.
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Sorry wee Hugh, that's a mistype on my part, it should read
David McKillop Esq.
Late of Glenarm,
who died on the 9th day of
July 1805,
aged 77 years.
The fact that he became a magistrate, might be another area to investigate.