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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Dat402 on Wednesday 10 August 11 09:57 BST (UK)
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My primary interest is John Cupper shown in the census returns for 1841(25 therefore circa 1816) and 1851, married to Elizabeth. He is shown in the census of 1851, with a brother and sister James and Ann, who where the children of John Cupper & Mary Pugh who married in 1826 ? John Cupper Snr. being a widow at the time.
There is a John Cupper baptised on the 1/8/1813 to a John Cupper and Hannah. Does anyone know if this is the first union for John Cupper Snr.?
There is also a John Cupper and Dinah/Deanna who have children Elizabeth & Thomas in 1815 and 1820 respectively and I have put the two together on no firm foundation.
Is it possible that John Cupper Snr was infact married three times and all the children are his ?
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi There
If I were you I would make a thorough search of the Ombersley parish registers as I think thats where the Cupper's came from - I also beleive that most of them were Fruiterers & market Gardeners
Good luck with your research
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
ps there are Cupper researchers in Australia who came over to this country some years ago & visited Crossway Green, Hartlebury among other places - they may be able to help you if you can get in touch with them through the Australia pages on this site of by use of other forums
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Hi Again
I forgot to mention that I am relaited to the Cupper's of Crossway Green, Hartlebury but am not actively researching that family yet as I have enough to do with all the other lines of research I am persuing
All the very best
Phil
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Hi there,
I am also researching the Cuppers of Ombersley around this time. I don't know if I can help you or not, but here is the information I have on my own family line:
1871. Comhampton, Ombersley, Worcestershire.
Thomas Cupper 55 Shoemaker.
Elizabeth Cupper 46.
William Cupper 21. Son.
John Cupper 14 Son.
Thomas Cupper 10 Son.
Ellen Cupper 6 Dau.
All born Ombersley.
1861. Borley, Ombersley, Worcestershire.
Thomas Cupper 46 Shoemaker.
Elizabeth Cupper 36.
William Cupper 11.
Mary Ann Cupper 9.
John Cupper 4.
Thomas Cupper 7MO.
All born Ombersley.
1851. Borley, Ombersley, Worcestershire.
Thomas Cupper 34 Shoemaker.
Elizabeth Cupper 26.
William Cupper 1.
All born Ombersley.
Ages rounded up or down.
1841. Ombersley
John Cupper 25 Shoemaker.
Elizabeth Cupper 25.
Mary Cupper 1 6MO.
Thomas Cupper 20.
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I just found this link while writing to you.
http://www.myheritage.com/site-family-tree-117009941/chambers?familyTreeID=4&rootIndividualID=4000207
Hopefully it will work for you, because I think it may give you some answers :)
I hope this helps,
CRodda.
Melbourne, Australia.
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Thank you both.
Phil - I missed your reply when sent and have only just found it. I have obtained the parish registers for Ombersley from Parish Chest and have had a little success from those.
Crodda - Thank you for that, I started this mission when I was in Adelaide in February this year with my sister in law, and we sat down to pen what we could of her lineage. At that stage we thought Cupper was actually Buppen because of handwriting. So when I returned to England I made a greater effort from the 30 odd people we could think of.
My confusion with regard to John Cupper is as follows from the Ombersley parish records
1/8/1813 John Cupper is baptised parents John Cupper & Hannah
6/2/1820 Thomas Cupper is baptised to John Cupper & Dinah
23/7/1815 Elizabeth Cupper is baptised to John Cupper & Deanna
John Cupper goes on to have four children with Mary Pugh, Edward, Henry, Sarah & James. ( Married 30/9/1825)
My primary interest is Elizabeth who marries James Neale, my late wife being a Neale two generations later.
Have you Thomas's parents in your research ?
DT
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I don't have any additional information on Thomas' parents, John and Dinah, other than what I found on that website link earlier tonight.
As far as I can tell:
Dinah, Deanna and Hannah are all the same person. Dinah and Deanna are shortenings of Diana-Hannah, her actual name.
According to this site, John and Mary, his second wife, had 4 children (although you obviously have discovered others):
Sarah 1828-1846
James 1831-1869
Anne b. 1832
Henry b. 1835
John Cupper b. 1791.
Dinah (Diana-Hannah) Cupper 1783-c. 1819
Their children:
William Cupper b. 1812
John Cupper b. 1813
Elizabeth Cupper b. 1815
Thomas Cupper b. 1820 -- Dinah (according to the site) died c. 1819, so this date is not necessarily exact (perhaps she died in childbirth??)
Once again, almost all of this information comes from linked site which I only found tonight, and so I can't assure its accuracy. In terms of actual records, you seem to have the actual records, which I only have a couple of through look-ups that kind people on this site have given me (you actually have some dates and information that I do not have, so thankyou! :) )
I hope this helps,
C. Rodda.
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C.Rodda
Yes I was thinking along the same lines that all three were the same person. The baptisms from Ombersley that I have are as follows
1 August 1813 John s John Cupper Hannah Cupper Labourer Ombersley
6 May 1787 James s John Cupper Mary Cupper
6 September 1789 Elizabeth d John Cupper Mary Cupper
6 February 1820 Thomas s John Cupper Dinah Cupper Labourer Ombersley
11 April 1847 Thomas John Cupper Elizabeth Cupper Shoemaker The Hadland
12 March 1780 John s John Cupper Mary Cupper
12 February 1826 Edward s John Cupper Mary Cupper Labourer Ombersley
13 September 1778 Thomas s John Cupper Mary Cupper
13 December 1835 Henry s John Cupper Mary Cupper Labourer Ombersley
16 May 1812 William s John Cupper Hannah Cupper
16 March 1828 Sarah d John Cupper Mary Cupper Labourer Ombersley
18 July 1830 James s John Cupper Mary Cupper Labourer Ombersley
20 June 1784 William s John Cupper Mary Cupper
23 July 1815 Elizabeth d John Cupper Deana Cupper Labourer Ombersley
25 January 1782 Sarah d John Cupper Mary Cupper
30 December 1832 Ann d John Cupper Mary Cupper Labourer Ombersley
30 November 1722 William s Tho Cupper Eliz Cupper
15 October 1725 Ann d Thomas Cupper Elizabeth Cupper
Hope there is something additional to assist you.
The link that you sent was a myheritage site for Chambers, I had a quick look and there was an Ann and Annie Cupper ? Was it this link that gave you the additional information or another ?
DT
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C.Rhodda
Was the correct link and have found what you were talking about. I have emailed Mark Chambers and if I find anything that is relevant to Thomas then I will post for you.
DT
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Hi Cupper family,
I'm Mark Chambers and have researched Cupper family in Ombersley, Worcestershire area way back to John Cupper 1751 Upper Arley-Burial 1829.Anyone looking for more records or information please contact me.
Regards
Mark
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Hi Gang
Did one of you by any chance give a printed family history document of the Cupper family to my cousin Mick Cupper while at his youngest sons garden centre (I think it was last Sunday) as Im a nosy perisher lol
All the very best
Phil
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Hi Phil
Not guilty your honer !!!
Mark Chambers (Direct line Lizzie Cupper 1856 Ombersley - 1927 Ombersley)My 2nd Great Grandmother who married Thomas Baylis 1854-1899.
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Hi Mark
Thats a pity as to be honest you looked the most likely as the documents that were given to my cousin start the family at Upper Arley & go to Ombersley, Hartlebury & Kidderminster. Ive not researched my cousins line as yet but this has wet my apetite as the Cupper's are linked to my family research by marriage & the cousin Im talking about is married to a very close cousin of mine (here maiden name was Watson & she was born at Hartlebury
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare (born Worcester City 1944)
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Hi Mark
I hope you dont mind but Ive saved (to a memory stick) the photo of Lizzie Cupper that you put on your posting to give to my cousin as it will be a very nice surprise for him
All the very best
Phil
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Pleased you like it that is no problem at all.
She must of been a very strong lady as she lost her last son George Baylis 1897 after only a few weeks and then her husband died in 1899 after falling off a horse leaving her with five children still living at home.
Mark
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Hi Mark
She must have been a strong lady indeed as there was no welfair state then & if people didnt earn their money they had to go without & it would take a lot even then to care for 5 children as well as finding a job of work as she was now the provider. I hope for Lizzies sake that the Cupper's helped her out as much as they could as there were several of them around Ombersley at that time I believe.
All the very best
Phil
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Hi There
Re where the Cupper's came from, when I was on holiday with my cousin's at christmas the husband (Michael John Cupper) was given a large document containing the history of the Cuuper's & this document said that they came from Upper Arley originally (I dont know how true this is though). I dont have a copy of this document even though one was going to be printed out for me (it somehow got forgotten) so I have nothing more to refer you to. I hope this may be of help
All the very best
Phil
ps can tell you that I found that one of the Cupper's married into the Alcott's of Upton Snodsbury but cant say which one of the top of my head
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Hi Again
I forgot to say in my last posting that the Cupper/Alcott marriage at Upton Snodsbury gives the grooms surname as Cooper but all the details on the entry prove that he is a Cupper of Ombersley
All the very best
Phil
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Hello,
I'm very new at researching my family but I believe the photo of Lizzie Cupper on this post is my 2nd Great Grandmother her son William being my great grandfather.
I was hoping anyone might be able to help with further information or set me on the right path!
Thanks Gee
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Hi Gee
The best thing I can suggest is that you get as much information on the Cupper families who lived at Ombersley as you can as this could lead help you a lot. I don't have any details to give you even though Im linked to the Cupper's by marriage.
All the very best
Phil