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Title: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: killys on Friday 26 August 11 20:08 BST (UK)
CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIND A MARRIAGE IN ATCHAM OR ST MARY, OF
BENJAMIN STANLEY BORN 1795 TO ELIZABETH MAIDEN NAME NOT KNOWN.
THEY HAD AT LEAST 12 CHILDREN ALL BORN IN ATCHAM MY CONNECTION IS OF ONE OF THERE DAUGHTERS
CATHERINE BORN 1825 MARRIED A SHINTON IN BHAM IN 1849.
ANY HELP WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
KEITH.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: cardiff on Friday 26 August 11 21:55 BST (UK)
Hi Killys
 If you don't mind in future do not put your request or answer to your request in capital letters because this is said to be shouting  ;)
cheers cardiff ;)
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: horse000 on Sunday 11 September 11 05:43 BST (UK)
Hi Killys

A tough one this... unable to find a wedding, plenty of other info if of any help, I've checked some of the SPR of St Chads both vol's and St Mary's Shrewsbury:

Benjamin appears to have been bap. in Minsterly/Westbury (if it is the correct Benjamin) SPR, Hereford diocese, this may be his birth record, Benjamin s. of Joseph Stanley and Elizabeth, 2 Oct 1791, bap.

As you say they have a number of children, below are 5 (there are more if you wish to follow up) that I found on the family search pilot (so not confirmed) not in any particular order:

Joseph, 25 May 1823, Atcham
*Benjamin, 31 May 1835, Atcham
*Leatitia/Letitia, 9 Nov 1832, Atcham
Sarah, 8 Dec 1820, Atcham
Catharine, 23 May 1825, corroborates your info.

The 1851 Wales census (Llandaff) (HO107/2455/593/46) confirms Benjamin Stanley aged 59 (b. 1791/2) and Elizabeth aged 58 (b. 1793), also in the household are *Letitia Aged 18 and *Benjamin aged 15, they must have moved to Wales at some point, if this info is correct.

Hope this helps..

Regards Geoff
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: garstonite on Sunday 11 September 11 10:15 BST (UK)
Hiya...could you post the birth year of the first of Benjamin / Elizabeths children ...the earliest I can see on the posts is 1823 ....is that correct ?
it will help us look for a marriage year....usually  a year before the firstborn
allan
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: horse000 on Sunday 11 September 11 13:20 BST (UK)
Hi

It was Sarah b. 1820 from what I could see, see my first reply, though not confirmed as I found these on the pilot.

Regards

Geoff
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: garstonite on Monday 12 September 11 07:54 BST (UK)
Hiya Keith...gone from 1810 to 1820 for a marriage of
Benjamin Stanley to an Elizabeth  ??? on Familysearch - advanced search

only result
12th dec 1814 Saint Peter ,Church St,Liverpool
Benjamin Standley to Elizabeth Roberts...
.if this is too early , it`s best forgotten - but Liverpool was extremely busy ,in fact the busiest port in the world , and many many people moved there to live for work...my own G grandmother came from Astley (which is in the Atcham register district ) to Garston,Liverpool....so if you have children to Benjamin/Elizabeth born 1815/16 , I would not discount it ...
allan
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: killys on Friday 16 September 11 14:42 BST (UK)
Hi Allan.
just read your info on benjamin stanley marriage in liverpool.
it looks good the first child was born 1815 so i will trace that up
and see what i can find i will let you know.
bit late thanking you been away for few days.
you have been so helpful again thank you allan.

keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Wednesday 27 December 17 18:54 GMT (UK)
Hello
This is the first time Iíve used what looks like an excellent site.   Iíve only just seen your entry Killys re Benjamin Stanleyís wedding - did you get any further? I would love to know as I need to know Elizabethís maiden name.
Incidentally they had 14 children, one of them my gr gr grandmother!
Hope to hear........
Dollyflo
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Thursday 28 December 17 09:24 GMT (UK)
Hello again 

Just looked again at your request reBenjamin Stanleyís wedding.  Did you get any further?  Iím looking for any info re his death probably in Canton, Cardiff 1861. Various family contacts on ancestry have given 1861/63 but I canít find a record.  Should I start a new thread on this site?  Iím stuck!!

Thanks
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 28 December 17 11:59 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat Diana.
Hopefully killys will reply to you soon.

Benjamin is still in Wales 1861 Census born c 1792 Westbury, Shropshire

Baptisms at Minsterley;
02 Oct 1791 BENJAMIN, s. of Joseph Stanley & Elizabeth.
Collection:   Shropshire: Westbury - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese

As Elizabeth died 1867 if Benjamin was still alive he may have moved to live with one of his Children and died elsewhere and not necessarily in Wales.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 28 December 17 12:06 GMT (UK)
Got it :)

Burial;
BENJAMIN Stanley 24 Jul 1863, Cathedral - St Peter and St Paul, Llandaff
Age 71
Abode Canton
(Source FreeREG)

FreeBMD may have him mistranscribed; I cant find him either on there.

ELIZABETH Stanley was buried same Church 28 Feb 1867 age 75 (also on FreeREG)
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Thursday 28 December 17 12:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Trish
Thank you thank you, how did you find that so quickly?   I was concerned as one contact on ancestry had added ďkilled with wife Elizabeth 1861 by ex employeeĒ, so I need to disregard that I hope.   Buried in Llandaff Cathedral sounds much better!!
Loved profile picture, many congratulations. 
Diana 
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 28 December 17 12:27 GMT (UK)
I found it quickly as I have a few ideas of free on-line sites to  search and have been helping on her for 10  years :)



Also other Stanleys Buried same Church;
MARY 7 Jan 1849 age 7
MARIA 22 Mar 1852 age 18
WILLIAM 13 May 1878 age 5 weeks
JAMES 16 May 1878 age 5 weeks (Twins?)
MAY CATHERINE 18 Aug 1881 age 12 weeks
DAVID 15 Jan 1885 age 11 mths
BENJAMIN 20 Apr 1893 age 57
ANN 8 Mar 1919 age 78

Maria looks from Census to be Benjamin/Elizabeths Daughter born 1834
Mary I am not sure off but she would not appear on Census.

Other Children may be Benjamin Jnrs.

Thank you, photo is of my 1st Grandchild who is 8 now.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 28 December 17 12:34 GMT (UK)
Birth Reg GRO Index;
STANLEY, JAMES, Mothers mn DAVIES***
GRO Reference: 1878  J Quarter in OF CARDIFF  Volume 11A  Page 292

WILLIAM 1878 has same Mothers mn and MAY CATHERINE 1881 same Mother Nee Davies.

+ DAVID 1884 reg Cardiff same Mothers mn
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 28 December 17 12:40 GMT (UK)
You have to laugh at info on Trees some times and you are doing the right thing checking all sources.

 :)
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Thursday 28 December 17 12:53 GMT (UK)
Absolutely - thanks for all info.  We live in Shropshire so I can see a visit to Llandaff in the near future - snow here at the moment, very pretty!  Lovely warm sunshine where you are I guess.
Many thanks
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Thursday 28 December 17 18:07 GMT (UK)
Hi Dollyflo.
i have elizabeths maiden name as Roberts married liverpool1914
no death dates will look into my notes to see if can find any more info
got most of my info from shrewsbury archives few years ago.

Keith.

Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Thursday 28 December 17 18:16 GMT (UK)
Hi dollyflo.

Meant to say wedding 1814 not 1914.

Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Friday 29 December 17 08:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Keith
Thanks.  Looking back, Catherine Shenton (Nee Stanley) was my gr gr grandmother, yours too? 
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 29 December 17 09:57 GMT (UK)
I am glad I could help Diana.

Its wonderful you and Keith are now in contact and good luck to you both :)
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 29 December 17 10:36 GMT (UK)
Just a bit more that Keith may already have;

Stanleys christened Westbury to JOSEPH/ELIZABETH(Familysearch.Org)
THOMAS 1 March 1778
WILLIAM 10 June 1781
JOSEPH 16 June 1783
SAMUEL 24 May 1785
RICHARD 7 Aug 1787
BENJAMIN 2 Oct 1791******
RICHARD 3 Sept 1793
CATHARINE 6 Dec 1795
JAMES and EDWARD 17 June 1798


I think it is likely that this is Joseph;

JOSEPH Stanley christened 12 May 1754, St Mary, Shrewsbury to JOSEPH/CATHERINE


And a likely Licence for his Parents;
Marriage License 1739
Battlefield, Shropshire
Catharine EVANS age 22
Joseph STANELY age 24
Marriage took place 7 December 1739   Battlefield

Working with that Marriage we have these Children to Joseph/Catherine;
THOMAS 2 Oct 1740 Battlefield
MARY 3 March 1744 Shrewsbury, died 30 Oct 1748
CATHERINE 28 Feb 1748 Shrewsbury
WILLIAM 22 July 1750 Shrewsbury, died 19 Dec 1750
JOSEPH 1754 as above




Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Friday 29 December 17 11:37 GMT (UK)
Oh wow, thank you.  This is keeping me busy.  Keith says Benjamin and Elizabeth married 1814 Liverpool - I canít find a record, any idea?   
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 29 December 17 13:10 GMT (UK)
Its on Familysearch.Org;
Marriage:   12 December 1814, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Benjamin STANDLEY to Elizabeth ROBERTS

 garstonite had confirmed that Marriage in an earlier reply in 2011

Trish :)
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Friday 29 December 17 18:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Dollyflo
Yes you are quite right
john shenton married catherine stanley bham 1849
john and catherine had son benjamin in 1860
benjamin 1860 married julianna hunt
benjamin and julianna had son benjamin 1893
benjamin 1893 married my gran florence spratt
benjamin and florence had my mom florence dallow
who had me in 1944
got the 1841 census of benjamin and elizabeth with 8 children on.

Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Saturday 30 December 17 11:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Keith
Thanks for info. My family tree is slightly different ...
John Shenton m Catherine Stanley
They had a son Benjamin b 1861
He married Gulielma Hunt
They had a son Benjamin b 1893

This is where itís different. My research showed
Benjamin m Amy Annie Caines b 1894 Oct 1912 Aston (Bíham Marriages & Banns)
No children, he died 1926, Amy died 1918
On the 1911 census Benjamin was a private Royal Warwickshire Regiment

Benjaminís sister Martha m John James Pratt.
They had a daughter Florence, my grandma

There are too many Benjamins!   Ben Stanley b 1791 was head gardener at Attingham Park (at Atcham where they all lived) and on a board there he is listed as having 14 children whilst being a gardener there - one of them our Catherine.   So we are related!
Do you have any info re your Florence.   Get back to me if you are interested.
Regards-and Happy New Year
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Saturday 30 December 17 17:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Dollyflo

Thanks for your reply yes you are right ben 1893 married Amy Caines 1912
they had 3 children Amy1913-benjamin-1916 and Lucy 1918 amy died 1918

ben then married my gran florence spratt 1919 at bham register office she looked after
them 3 kids and had 5 more with ben my mom being one of them then ben died 1928
and she had to look after them all with no man in house.
Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Saturday 30 December 17 20:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Keith
How sad that Amy died so young, but what a wonderful woman your gran was to bring up all those children as a single mum.  Hard times.   Our Catherine too had a struggle bringing up seven children on her own when John died at 45.  Our family were all hard workers, all skilled with large families.
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Sunday 31 December 17 09:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Diane.

Yes familys had it bad in them times doing a family tree back
to 1700 you find a lot of hard times especially the amount of
children that died young in them days, if there is anything you need
to ask please do i have had a lot of help from my second cousin who
we came across through the family tree and i class her as a expert in family
history because she says everything must be proved with certificates and baptism info
she has gone back to the 1500 on her familys tree.

Happy new year to you and your family Keith.

Happy new year to you and family Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Tuesday 02 January 18 18:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Diane.

Told you i had 1841 census with catherine on it with her dad and mom in astley

Found the 1881 census were catherine is back in astley age 55 with son benjamin age 21
living with her brother thomas stanley, catherine is down as a servant and john a labourer.

You know john died age 45 in Bham well the reason catherine came back to astley after
john died he was in a fatal accident in Granville street Bham i have the coroners report
i will email it to you when i get it back from my sisters.
Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Saturday 06 January 18 15:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Keith
Yes I did find out about John Shentonís fatal accident.  I would appreciate a copy of the report one day.  Catherineís family split after the 1841 census - something happened at Atcham to do with the Earl who squandered his money and left his staff jobless.  So Catherine went to Bíham and married John Shenton.  The rest I think went to Cardiff to find work and did OK as market gardeners, many are buried at Llandaff Cathedral.  Did you know Catherineís sister Letitia met up with some Latter Day Saints and got a free passage to America. I have more details here and am in touch with a relative of Letitia.   
Iím wondering if Catherine and her family got involved with the Peaky Blinders as they lived in one of the streets in the 1850s etc. I have Carl Chinnís book about them and wouldnít be surprised.  I could send you the book if you like as Iíve read it now, if you donít already have it. 
Itís all very interesting isnít it?
Best wishes
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Saturday 06 January 18 19:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Diane.
Will sort a copy out yes Catherine and john lived round that area 1861 allison street
and 1871 little ann street my dads side lived even closer they came from stourport
boat people moved to bham and lived in garrison street back of the garrison pub
my grandad said garrison lane and small heath was rough in them days, i was born and bread in small heath , i used to use the garrison tavern for years when i used to go and watch bham city fc
they have opened a pub in bham city centre called peaky blinders.
take care be in touch.
Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Friday 12 January 18 18:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Diane.

Catherine Shenton died in shropshire were was she buried
just wondering as the others you said buried in landaff.

Keith.
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Dollyflo on Wednesday 17 January 18 18:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Keith
Iím not at home at the moment so canít check with my notes but I have both John and Catherine as registered death Birmingham, Aston I think.
Diana
Title: Re: benjamin stanley wedding
Post by: Keith Dallow on Thursday 18 January 18 08:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Diane.
No problem i know about john i thought because in 1881 catherine was in shrops
but when i looked at 1901 census she was with benjamin and family so really it looks like
she died here in 1909 and bens wife julianna died 1911 during child birth.
thanks  Keith.