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Title: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Monday 29 August 11 12:34 BST (UK)
Andrew Hamilton, born 1831, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, in both the 1861 & 1871 Scotland census is described as being a pensioner. Anyone know what this phrase means-is it the modern meaning, that he did not need to work because he was in receipt of a pension, rather like an annuitant?

I have linked Andrew into a family of Hamilton's including a William Hamilton and his wife Mary, and family including, John his younger brother who is boarding with the Irvine family in 1871-Andrew again being shown as a pensioner.

The reference for the 1871 census is: Glasgow Barony; ED: 76; Page:  15; Line: 10; Roll: CSSCT1871_138;

My interest lies with his sister Jane, who married John Irvine. John Hamilton, Andrew's brother is shown as being a painter. William Hamilton, Andrew's father, in the census goes from being a Brewer's servant in 1841, a Journeyman Brewer in 1861  to a Brewer in 1871. So Andrew's pension cant come from the death of his father.

Tom
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Lodger on Monday 29 August 11 13:22 BST (UK)
He may have seen active service in the Armed Forces and was perhaps pensioned out due to an injury. He would have been the right age for the Crimean War.
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Monday 29 August 11 13:47 BST (UK)
Lodger,

Yes that would make sense; unable to work due to a war injury and in receipt of a pension-any suggestions where I go from there?

Thanks.

Tom
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 29 August 11 13:50 BST (UK)
does the parish of Carluke ,Lanarkshire have any meaning to you ?  did he have any children?  ;)
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 29 August 11 13:55 BST (UK)
does Salisbury Street, Glasgow figure in any of your addresses for Andrew ?
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Monday 29 August 11 14:23 BST (UK)
 In 1841 he is Graham Square and 1851 in Green Street, then Deanside Lane in 1861 & F. Hill Square in 1871.  I can't find him so far in 1881.

I don't know if he married, but I am looking at him in the shortened form, as opposed to the census on another database called S********P****e!

Tom
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 29 August 11 15:41 BST (UK)
does Andrew ever have the occupation of  a Baker on any census,,,or is he always a pensioner  ?
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: gortonboy on Monday 29 August 11 15:46 BST (UK)
forget my last 2 questions,,,the man i had was still in the army in 1871,,,,
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Monday 29 August 11 18:33 BST (UK)
That's a shame I was getting quite excited, I see that there is an Andrew Hamilton born around 1832 born Carluke both in Census and also in the Chelsea Pensioners database from F***DM*P**T, but I think my Andrew wasn't born Carluke.

I take it that there isn't a Free BMD equivalent for Scotland.

Tom
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: hume on Monday 29 August 11 23:30 BST (UK)
Hi Tom,

This may help.

Andrew Hamilton - Chelsea pensioner - aged 43 years
d. 11th Dec 1874 at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow (usual residence: Tobago Street, Glasgow)
parents - William Hamilton, brewer (dec.) and Mary Ann Hamilton m.s. Lightern (also deceased)
death reg. by sister Jane Irvine of Scotstoun

Only one on FindMyPast that may apply is b. 1804. :-\ There is a few without dobs though.

hume
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Tuesday 30 August 11 09:03 BST (UK)
Hume,

WOW! What a piece of information, which confirms several things all at once. I now know the parents of Jane Irvine, formerly Jane Hamilton, mother of Elizabeth Irvine, who married a William Belfield in Fairfield, Derbyshire, England in 1886. I also know the parents of Andrew Hamilton, that he was a war veteran, in receipt of a war pension, and that his parents William & Mary both died before him. Jane Irvine was living at 5, Scotsdown Place, Renfrew,in the 1881 census, so I know the family had moved there soon after the census of 1871. However I am sure that Scotstoun is a part of Glasgow isn't?

What do the abbreviation m.s Lightern mean after Mary Ann Hamilton-is that maiden name perhaps, or merchant ship?

 In the 1841 census, the Hamilton family were living in 15, Graham Square, Glasgow St. Johns, and with them was an Andrew Lighterness.

Is the above info from FindMyPast or elsewhere?

Tom
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: hume on Tuesday 30 August 11 22:45 BST (UK)
Hi Tom,

All the information is from Andrew's death certificate as found on SP. I'm glad the 1841 census confirms that Lighterness etc is Mary's maiden name; I'd assume Andrew L may be a brother.

m.s. simply stands for maiden surname; it's more commonly used than née in Scottish records. This is partly because a woman always kept her maiden surname here. In England & Wales, they would always tend to use their husband's surname, even when remarrying.

hume :)
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Thursday 01 September 11 21:05 BST (UK)
hume

Yes I had a look at FindMyPast for Andrew Hamilton in the army lists WO97 etc, and saw that Andrew H born Carluke, and following it through saw that he was still serving in 1871, just as Gortonboy said-so I take it that was the man with a family? I did see an A Hamilton no other details and have found to be a colour sergeant. The list appears to be incomplete so far would you agree, particularly as we now know he was definitely a Chelsea Pensioner. National Archives seem to suggest that WO97 cannot be ordered for viewing at present, which seems a pity.

The Crimean Casualty lists show many Hamilton names but not our Andrew, but then I suppose casualty means death.

Tom
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: hume on Saturday 03 September 11 09:27 BST (UK)
Hi Tom,

Might be worth a try in the military section here at RC ... they're always pretty good at locating records. :)

hume
Title: Re: Andrew Hamilton-Pensioner?
Post by: Tom Piper on Sunday 04 September 11 19:00 BST (UK)
Hume,

Okay will give them a try, thanks

Tom