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Hi all,
I am hoping that someone can help me I am looking for more details of these two people as they were cousins of my great aunt.
GARDNER, WILLIAM 16 Aug 1896 Nov 1975 79 04106 (South Portland, Cumberland, ME)
(none specified) Maine
GARDINER, GEORGE 28 Apr 1895 Apr 1980 84-85 11210 (Brooklyn, Kings, NY)
11375 (Forest Hills, Queens, NY)
Maine
I would be very grateful of any help with this as I know nothing about them except that there mother was possibly Anna McKernan and possibly related.
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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WW2 Draft - George Hamilton Gardiner - 28 Apr 1895 New York City, Resides Brooklyn. Kings.
955 East 40th Stree. tKings, New York is type written up the side of the draft with the date 8/6/44
Mother:- Mrs Anna C Gardiner (Mother) of the same address. Works for Coward Shoe Company. Empire State Building . New York.
1910 Census - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0evl/
Birth 28 th May 1895 - Parents William Gardiner and Annie MC Kernan - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0evm/
Sandra
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The family (slightly mistranscribed) are in Brooklyn Ward 24, Kings, New York in 1900 under "Gardince"
William J Gardince. aged 37 years. Born November 1862. Ireland. Immigrated 1880/1888 (not clear) . Married 1894. Foreman at shoe factory.
Anna C 28 years. Born August 1872 New Y. Had 3 children and 3 survive. Married 1894.
George H 5 years. Born April 1895 NY
William H 3 years. Born August 1896. NY
Anna 2 years. Born August 1897. NY
Mary Mckernan 23 years. Born May 1877 Ireland. Cousin. Immigrated 1896. Single. Servant.
Sandra
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1920 - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0evn/
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William H could be coming up under Howard Joseph Gardiner. Born 30 August 1896. Resides Brooklyn Kings
Type written at the top is the address 955 East 40 th Street 8/6/44 (the same as on the draft for George)
Name & addess of person who will always know him is Anna C Gardiner (mother ) 6517 Ave T. Brooklyn. Kings.
Employer Footform. Shoe shops. 13 West 39 Street. NYC. 892 Flatbush Avenue. Brooklyn. Kings NY
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help. Is it possible to get Mary McKernans passport application or William and Anna's marriage details.
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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Sorry, I haven't come across either of those so far.
You could try http://www.italiangen.org/VRECLIST.stm for the marriage - with variations on the surnames.
Howard Gardiner. Born 30th August 1896 and died November 1978
Last Residence - 11238 Brooklyn, Kings, New York,
and Last Benefit - 11210 Brooklyn, Kings, New York,
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I have had a check for the marriage but nothing seems to come up. Are you able to find any passport applications for any of them such as Mary or William to see if I am able to confirm that this is my great aunt Mary.
Thanks for all your help as always it is very much appreciated
Kieran
PS Can you find them travelling on a boat from Ireland or Scotland to America?
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No sorry - no passport applications.I don't think passports were required for entry into the USA until about World War I. - someone will correct if that is wrong.
The history of the United States Passport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport
William Gardiner's immigration date was not very clear and I saw nothing to positively identify him or Mary in 1896.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help as always. Are you able to find any of them travelling on the boat to the USA?
Thanks
Kieran
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Sorry Kieran, I didn't find either of them.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I am hoping that you willbe able to get me help with these records as it looks as if I might have finally got to the bottom of Mary McKernan.
Mary McKenan Draperstown 1901 19 sailing on the ship the Majestic from Liverpool on the 25 Sept 1901
Rose McKenan Philadelphia, PA 1912 30 sailing on the ship the Celtic from Liverpool on the 26 September 1912
I would be very grateful of any help you can give me with this
Kieran
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Isn't this more in line with the Mary McKernan on the 1900 Census with the Gardiners:
May 2, 1898 from Londonderry to NY
Mary Ann Mckernan age 20, dressmaker, last residence Creggan, contact in US is Aunt, Mrs. Mullan in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Hi Merjones,
Thanks for all your help. Is there any chance of getting any passport applications for these two as it will help me know if they are the correct people.
The Mary and the Rose came from Drumderg Draperstown and thats where my grandparents lived so any help with this would be great as so far I have been hitting a brick wall.
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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Hi Kieran,
Not everyone has passport applications - I don't think passports were required for entry into the USA until about World War I. - someone will correct if that is wrong.
The history of the United States Passport
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_passport
Never discovered any earlier in this thread. Sorry. Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help. Is there any way on getting more information on Rose or Mary?
Or the John McKernan that Mary went to? Can they be found in the census?
Thanks
Kieran
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The family (slightly mistranscribed) are in Brooklyn Ward 24, Kings, New York in 1900 under "Gardince"
William J Gardince. aged 37 years. Born November 1862. Ireland. Immigrated 1880/1888 (not clear) . Married 1894. Foreman at shoe factory.
Anna C 28 years. Born August 1872 New Y. Had 3 children and 3 survive. Married 1894.
George H 5 years. Born April 1895 NY
William H 3 years. Born August 1896. NY
Anna 2 years. Born August 1897. NY
Mary Mckernan 23 years. Born May 1877 Ireland. Cousin. Immigrated 1896. Single. Servant.
Sandra
Hi Sandra,
I am back at this family again. Can you find any possible references for any of the rest of the family George Hamilton Gardiner was born in 412 W 18th Street Manhattan.
There is a
William H 3 years. Born August 1896. NY
Anna 2 years. Born August 1897. NY
Mary A
I have someone who can lookup the records for me all I need is the indexes but I have looked on http://italiangen.org/ and don't get any hits?
Thanks for all your help it is so much appreciated as always
Kieran
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1910 Census Brooklyn Ward 19, Kings, New York.
William J Gardiner 50 Born Ire. Manufacturer of shoes. Immigrated 1880. NA. Marriage 1 for 15 years.
Anna C Gardiner 37 Born Ire. Marriage 1 for 15 years. Had 4 children and 4 survive.
George H Gardiner 14 Born NY.
William A Gardiner 13 Born NY.
Anna Gardiner 12 Born NY.
Mary E Gardiner 7 Born NY.
Anthony Mckernan 70 Born Ireland. Immigrated 1858. Father-in-law. Marriage 1 for 42 years. Clerk. Shirt factory.
Mary A Mckernan 70 Born Ireland. Immigrate 1861. Mother-in-law. Marriage 1 for 42 years.
Annie Killian 20 Servant. Private Family. Immigrated 1909. Born Aust.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5Q6-5Z1
Sandra.
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New York Avenue Brooklyn Assembly District 18, Kings, New York 1920 - Mary Nickleman aged 80 years wrongly transcribed on the a site and is Mary McKernan - Mother-in-law. Mary Nickleman aged 17 years - the image is faded and part of the name is missing - could be Mary McKernan.
Anne C Gardener 47 Born NY. Widow.
George H Gardener 34 Son. Born NY. Salesman. Shoe Store.
Howard Gardener 23 Son. Born NY. Book-keeper. Bookkeeper.
Anne R Gardener 21 Daughter. Born Ny. Stenographer. Government.
Mary Nickerman 17 Daughter. Stenographer. Law Office.
Mary Nickerman 80 Born Ireland. Mother-in-law. Widow. NA.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJRK-V4L
Sandra
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Anthony McKiernan born 1839 - died 7 th September 1914 - Kings New York - Certificate Number:
17351
http://italiangen.org/records-search/deaths.php
The Daily Standard Union - Brooklyn - Tuesday 8 September 1914 - has an obituary notice for Anthony McKernan -
Anthony McKernan a native of County Leitrim Ireland died yesterday after a brief illness at his home 1317 Lincoln Place. He had lived in Brooklyn for a number of yearsand was a member of the church of St Matthew - Eastern parkway and Utica Ave where requiem mass will be celebrated. Mr McKernan was 75 years old and survived by a widow Mary A and a daughter Mrs W J Gardiner.
You can view article on http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html - probably a site we have mentioned before.
Most of your McKernan seem to have come from Draperstown, Magherafelt County Londonderry - so is this the right connection to your family ???
Sandra
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Mary Kernan - 22 June 1921 - 82 years - Kings -= Cert Number :- 11061
http://italiangen.org/records-search/deaths.php
The Brooklyn Standard Union - - Friday 24 th June 1921
Mary McKernan widow of Anthony McKernan died Wednesday at the home of her daughter Mrs Anna C Gardiner 1653 New York Avenue. The funeral will be held tomorrow with requiem mass at the Church of St Jerome - Newkirk and Nostrand Avenue. Interment Calvary Cemetery.
Sandra
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Anne Gardiner (mistranscribed as Gardines on the A site) 1930 with a son Howard - 4019 Avenue K - Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Howard Gardiner 30 Born NY. Buyer. Store.
Anne Gardiner 27 Born NY. Sister. Store Importer.
Marim Gardines 22 Born NY. Sister. Unemployed.
Anna Gardines 57 Born NY. Mother. Widow. First married at 21 years.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7XS-Y5R
Sandra
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6517 Avenue T Kings, New York 1940 - no occupations given.
Anna Gardiner 65 Widow.
George Gardiner 43 Divorced.
Howard Gardiner 39 Single.
Anna Gardiner 35 Single.
Marion Gardiner 31 Single.
Sandra
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Anthony and Mary McKernan in 1900 - Manhattan, New York.
Anthony Mckernan 60 Born Ire Jan 1840. Immigrated 1858. Married 1867. Father and Mother Born Ireland. Dry Goods Salesman.
Mary A Mckernan 56 Born May 184. Ireland. Married 1867. Had 3 children and 1 survives.
Sandra
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There was a New York Marriage - 14 February 1867 - Anthony McKiernan to Mary Gallagher.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help. It seems we are connected through the Gallagher’s from Leitrim as there is another Gallagher married in.
Can you get any references for these:
William H could be coming up under Howard Joseph Gardiner. Born 30 August 1896. Resides Brooklyn Kings
Type written at the top is the address 955 East 40 th Street 8/6/44 (the same as on the draft for George)
Name & addess of person who will always know him is Anna C Gardiner (mother ) 6517 Ave T. Brooklyn. Kings.
Employer Footform. Shoe shops. 13 West 39 Street. NYC. 892 Flatbush Avenue. Brooklyn. Kings NY
New York Marriage - 14 February 1867 - Anthony McKiernan to Mary Gallagher
Can you find the marriage to Anna C to William J Gardiner in 1895?
Could this be the father’s death William J Gardiner?
Thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated
Kieran
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WW1 Draft on the family search site - Howard Joseph Gardiner.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-26515-29670-55?cc=1968530
WW2 Draft on the family search site - Howard Joseph Gardiner
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11064-64526-48?cc=1861144
Sandra
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WW1 Draft on the family search site - George H Gardiner.#
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11064-58899-25?cc=1861144
WW2 Draft on the family search site - George Hamilton Gardiner.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11064-58899-25?cc=1861144
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for your help. This looks like Howard's reference
Gardiner Male Aug 30 1896 36996 Manhattan
This seems to be one more down
Kieran
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New York Avenue Brooklyn Assembly District 18, Kings, New York 1920 - Mary Nickleman aged 80 years wrongly transcribed on the a site and is Mary McKernan - Mother-in-law. Mary Nickleman aged 17 years - the image is faded and part of the name is missing - could be Mary McKernan.
Anne C Gardener 47 Born NY. Widow.
George H Gardener 34 Son. Born NY. Salesman. Shoe Store.
Howard Gardener 23 Son. Born NY. Book-keeper. Bookkeeper.
Anne R Gardener 21 Daughter. Born Ny. Stenographer. Government.
Mary Nickerman 17 Daughter. Stenographer. Law Office.
Mary Nickerman 80 Born Ireland. Mother-in-law. Widow. NA.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MJRK-V4L
Sandra
Hi Sanrda,
Thanks for all your help. Can you find a birth record for Howard as I have checked a few places and can't find it.
Thanks again
Kieran
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for your help. This looks like Howard's reference
Gardiner Male Aug 30 1896 36996 Manhattan
This seems to be one more down
Kieran
Under Gardiner Male 30 August 1896 Manhattan - Cert 36996
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/births.php
Related thread -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=461907.msg6452935#new
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks again for all your help.
This is another one down.
Mary McKernan stills is a mystery what happened her.
Kieran
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Reply 20 - this thread - 21 March 2015
Quote - Mary Kernan - 22 June 1921 - 82 years - Kings -= Cert Number :- 11061
http://italiangen.org/records-search/deaths.php
The Brooklyn Standard Union - - Friday 24 th June 1921
Mary McKernan widow of Anthony McKernan died Wednesday at the home of her daughter Mrs Anna C Gardiner 1653 New York Avenue. The funeral will be held tomorrow with requiem mass at the Church of St Jerome - Newkirk and Nostrand Avenue. Interment Calvary Cemetery.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks again for all your help this is not the right Mary McKernan as she was Gallagher which does tie in with my family.
I am talking about Mary McKernan born may 1877 to Patrick McKernan and Anne O'Neill
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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So not connected to the Gardiner's on this thread. :-\ You need to give as much info as you can to help the searches. Have we not looked for her previously ?
When is your last sighting of Mary in Ireland ? Was she this one from Drumderg ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR7G-F2B
Did other members of the family immigrate to the USA ?
Sandra
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Checking the 1901 Ireland Census - there was this Mary McKernan in Drumderg, Draperstown. Ireland - is that your family ?
Patrick Mc Kernan 63
Mary Mc Kernan 22 Patrick Mc Kernan 20 Annie Mc Kernan 18
Sarah Mc Kernan 15 James Mc Kernan 12 Teresa Mc Kernan 9
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Draperstown/Drumderg/1543945/
Sandra
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help. Yes this is the family the only two that went to America were Mary and Annie. Annie married O'Halloran i finally got her as her marriage was in Delaware in 1918.
I did find Annie going into Philadelphia in 1908 and it listed her from Draperstown.
Thanks for all your help as always
Kieran
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So not connected to the Gardiner's on this thread. :-\ You need to give as much info as you can to help the searches. Have we not looked for her previously ?
When is your last sighting of Mary in Ireland ? Was she this one from Drumderg ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR7G-F2B
Did other members of the family immigrate to the USA ?
Sandra
Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGVF-XBC
1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSND-X4H
Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MRXX-CWC
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So not connected to the Gardiner's on this thread. :-\ You need to give as much info as you can to help the searches. Have we not looked for her previously ?
When is your last sighting of Mary in Ireland ? Was she this one from Drumderg ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR7G-F2B
Did other members of the family immigrate to the USA ?
Sandra
Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGVF-XBC
1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSND-X4H
Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MRXX-CWC
See also this thread and probably others.
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help. Yes this is all I can get on her
If I could only find her Naturalization like I did for her sister.
Kieran
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Perhaps she married - After 1907, marriage determined a woman's nationality status completely.
Sandra
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Perhaps she married - After 1907, marriage determined a woman's nationality status completely.
Sandra
Mary was supposed to have entered a convent but I have never been able to find which one
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks for all your help. Yes this is the family the only two that went to America were Mary and Annie. Annie married O'Halloran i finally got her as her marriage was in Delaware in 1918.
I did find Annie going into Philadelphia in 1908 and it listed her from Draperstown.
Thanks for all your help as always
Kieran
Are you able to find the couple in that Annie its going to Patrick Gallon maybe Gallagher and Lizzie McGill
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Yes, I remember those names -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=780674.0
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Thanks again for all your help this is not the right Mary McKernan as she was Gallagher which does tie in with my family.
I am talking about Mary McKernan born may 1877 to Patrick McKernan and Anne O'Neill
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
Hi Sandra,
I just have found out that when you are searching the records for a nun instead of putting the persons christian name in you put "SISTER"
This looks as it could be her but how can I prove it?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X741-XS5
Thanks for all your help Mary will be found yet.
Kieran
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Hi Sandra,
I have checked with the nuns and Sister M Benedict is not Mary and they didn't have a Mary McKernan join them.
Can we get Mary coming into America?
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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Sorry, I haven't come across either of those so far.
You could try http://www.italiangen.org/VRECLIST.stm for the marriage - with variations on the surnames.
Howard Gardiner. Born 30th August 1896 and died November 1978
Last Residence - 11238 Brooklyn, Kings, New York,
and Last Benefit - 11210 Brooklyn, Kings, New York,
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
Howards obituary was in the Daily News (New York, New York) 25 Nov 1978, Sat • Page 22
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1910 Census Brooklyn Ward 19, Kings, New York.
William J Gardiner 50 Born Ire. Manufacturer of shoes. Immigrated 1880. NA. Marriage 1 for 15 years.
Anna C Gardiner 37 Born Ire. Marriage 1 for 15 years. Had 4 children and 4 survive.
George H Gardiner 14 Born NY.
William A Gardiner 13 Born NY.
Anna Gardiner 12 Born NY.
Mary E Gardiner 7 Born NY.
Anthony Mckernan 70 Born Ireland. Immigrated 1858. Father-in-law. Marriage 1 for 42 years. Clerk. Shirt factory.
Mary A Mckernan 70 Born Ireland. Immigrate 1861. Mother-in-law. Marriage 1 for 42 years.
Annie Killian 20 Servant. Private Family. Immigrated 1909. Born Aust.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5Q6-5Z1
Sandra.
William J Gardiner obituary
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, New York) 30 Oct 1913, Thu • Page 3
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Mary Kernan - 22 June 1921 - 82 years - Kings -= Cert Number :- 11061
http://italiangen.org/records-search/deaths.php
The Brooklyn Standard Union - - Friday 24 th June 1921
Mary McKernan widow of Anthony McKernan died Wednesday at the home of her daughter Mrs Anna C Gardiner 1653 New York Avenue. The funeral will be held tomorrow with requiem mass at the Church of St Jerome - Newkirk and Nostrand Avenue. Interment Calvary Cemetery.
Sandra
Found obituary in The Brooklyn Daily Eagle (Brooklyn, New York) 23 Jun 1921, Thu • Page 22
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6517 Avenue T Kings, New York 1940 - no occupations given.
Anna Gardiner 65 Widow.
George Gardiner 43 Divorced.
Howard Gardiner 39 Single.
Anna Gardiner 35 Single.
Marion Gardiner 31 Single.
Sandra
Obituary for Marion Gardiner in Daily News (New York, New York) 10 Mar 1980, Mon • Page 30