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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: rebelrouser on Thursday 08 September 11 12:28 BST (UK)
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G'day Chatters,
Could or would someone please do a lookup for me in the 1841 census for:
William BARLTROP born c.1815/16 Place not known
His wife Ann DOB unknown
A son called John born c 1833/38. Place not known
Could be other children and their surname couls also be spelt as BARTROP
Regards
rr
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Further to my earlier message William, Ann his wife, and John his son were located in the 1871 census. William recorded as born at Takeley c.1816, Ann born at Henham c.1815 and John born at Henham c.1838
Regards
rr
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Probably not his first wife?! ;D
Marriages, March qtr 1868
Edmonton district vol 3a, page 150
Barltrop, William
+ and on the same page +
Humphries, Ann
So, this looks likely from 1861:
Reference RG09, Piece 1119, Folio 74, Page 21
Moor End, Broxted
Barltrop, William Head M 44 Labourer b Great Canfield, Essex
Barltrop, Susan Wife F 75 b Barmston, Essex
Great Canfield is under 4 miles from Takeley!
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Thank you KGarrard, you may have hit on to something I was not aware of.
However several questions arise here.
I wonder in fact if the Susan recorded aged 75 is in fact William's mother or was the age incorrectly recorded for her.
What is the proximity of the Edmonton District in relation to Dunmow District?
I have a record of a William BALTHROP marrying a Ann BOATMAN in 1835 at Henham and it is Henham that is recorded as John BARLTROP's place of birth in the 1871 census.
Regards
rr
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I didn't look at the original!
Looking now, I reckon William's age is actually 66 - which makes more sense!
There is also a William Baltrop enlisted in the Royal Artillery, but born 1844.
Maybe he is the one getting married in 1868?
He was from Great Easton, Dunmow and was discharged 18th November 1865 after serving just short of 3 years.
I can't find your William in any census, other than 1871?
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I have my William in the '81, '91, and 1901 census. He died in 1910
Wal rr
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KGarard,
In reference to your post on the 1861 census you have said that firstly William was aged 44 which I can accept. You did make a correction and said that William's age was more like 66 and Susan was aged 75.
Could or would you check this for me again please as I feel if Susan was his first wife her age may well have been 55 and not 75.
ALSO could I ask for a check of the 1891 census pleaselooking for Ann BARLTROP born c.1816 at Henham and located at Dunmow Essex any any other people in the household.
Regards
Wal rr
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Hi
1891 census
Ann Barltrop/head/single/75/Henham
Mary Ann Nunn?/daug/single/49/Thaxted
Kevin
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Thank you Kevin for your reply.
Was there an address for Ann BARLTROP and Mary Ann NUNN>
It was interesting to note that both women were recorded as being single.
Ann was the wife of William BARLTROP who at the time of the census in 1891 was visiting his son=in=law John NUNN and John's two children whilst Ann had her (Step) daughter with her.
Ann died in 1896 and in 1901 William together with his daughter Mary Ann was living with his granddaughter Harriet and HER husband William James WEBSTER.
Gets confusing somewhat ???
Earlier KGarrard referred to the possibility of William having been married before wiyh his wife's christian name as Susan.
Would it be possible please for a check of the 1841 census for a William BARLTROP and Susan and hopefully children?
Regards
Wal rr
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In reference to your post on the 1861 census you have said that firstly William was aged 44 which I can accept. You did make a correction and said that William's age was more like 66 and Susan was aged 75.
Could or would you check this for me again please as I feel if Susan was his first wife her age may well have been 55 and not 75.
Sorry - have been away for the weekend!
That 1861 census looks to me like 66 for William and 75 for Susan - maybe they aren't the correct people?
1881 census
RG11, 1815, 9, 12
Orange Street, Thaxted
Barltrop, William Head M 66 Blacksmith b Takely
Barltrop, Ann Wife F 67 b Henham
Nunn, Harritt Granddaughter F 17 b Thaxted
Barltrop, Harritt Granddaughter F 7 b London
1871 census
RG10, 1706, 11, 14
Orange Street Cottage, Thaxted
Barltrop, William Head M 55 Blacksmith b Takely
Barltrop, Ann Wife F 56 b Henham
Barltrop, John Son M 33 Blacksmith b Henham
Nunn, Harriett Granddaughter F 7 b Thaxted
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Hi Wal
The address is Orange Street. I put single because it is a ditto in the column as quite a few above are listed as ditto for single.
Kevin
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Thank you Kevin, that was the family home address in 1871 and 1881.
Earlier Kevin you felt that William had been married before and you quoted the following;
Marriages, March qtr 1868
Edmonton district vol 3a, page 150
Barltrop, William
+ and on the same page +
Humphries, Ann
So, this looks likely from 1861:
Reference RG09, Piece 1119, Folio 74, Page 21
Moor End, Broxted
Barltrop, William Head M 44 Labourer b Great Canfield, Essex
Barltrop, Susan Wife F 75 b Barmston, Essex
Great Canfield is under 4 miles from Takeley!
I now tend to agree with you as I have located a death for a Susanah BARLTROP in the Jun ¼ 1864 registered in the Dunmow District.
NOW I know that William had a son called John born c.1838 and his birth was recorded as Henham. I now know from information you have sent me that he also had a daughter called Mary Ann born c.1842 at Thaxted.
MY QUESTIONS now are; were there any other children born to William and Susan and when was William and Susan married and where.
Regards
Wal
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Hi
I run the village history website for Henham, we have births marriages and deaths for Barlthrop and the variations Barltrop etc. Also 1841 to 1911 census for Henham, may give you some more leads
www.henhamhistory.org
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Many thanks Henham Essex for the link. I will transcribe whatever Barltrop (and variances) information thereon.
Regards
rr